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You consider withholding a read to be indicative? Because that's an easy move for mafia to make, as well. And it is not uncommon.In post 50, Vanderscamp wrote:I'd also like to head necro's reasoning for his UC read but ATM he's my only townread for his refusal to share it.-
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UC Voyager wrote:Rhah. Reading without reason is just as indicative as voting without reason. Voting and reading based on gut dealing doesn't work...I have seen to many people die that way, or not die that way.
You are implying necro has no reason for his read, when it is implied he has one and did not state it... one could infer he is mafia, but they shouldn't for the reasons you seem to be suspecting him for. Simply because a read can be faked. It is easy to create things. It's easy to act aloof. This is a game of pretenses and motivations, after all. I do think you're deliberately choosing to view things a certain way at the moment.-
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If you didn't read the Open Setup displayed in the OP, what did you read exactly?
Well... both of your assumptions are sort of surface level in a way. The mafia can't be afraid of conflict anyway, given that their nature is to drive mislynches. This post gives me scum vibes on Luca. I would say I'm getting that vibe from his tone, as well. To be determined.In post 86, Luca Blight wrote:
I disagree with this; if UC is scum, what would he have to gain from calling someone who openly townreads him 'scum' this early in the game?In post 83, Vanderscamp wrote:
I think you're more likely to be town now because I would have expected scumYou to take the easy and expected route and call necro scum.In post 73, UC Voyager wrote:ima be honest. here is what im feeling
town
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Necro
CheekyTeeky
Zulph
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mafia
Rhah
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????? (possibly. idk. might be 3)
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Talk about unnecessary conflict.
I would like for you to tell me to tell me what is not true. Your first post is a naked vote and then you proceed to... talk about peeks. In what way is my observation dishonest? Also, this being the second thing you decide to post in the game thread strikes me a certain way. It's not a good feeling. Nevermind that you actually accompany your post with a vote on me.In post 102, ChaosOmega wrote:
Well that's not true at all. I voted them and suggested a claiming strategy unrelated to Cheeky.In post 56, Rhah wrote:Oh yeah. Found it interesting how Chaos opens up with just talking about peeks.
VOTE: Rhah
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Not a fan of Luca right now either; going to keep that close to the vest for now.
Well. For me it goes, ----> identify scummy behavior ----> call it out. By definition, that constitutes attacking. You got me, buddy. I'm still not sure what you're trying to say here but I know it doesn't make sense. The rest of your reads feel rather weak.In post 103, UC Voyager wrote:im getting scum reads on rhah. he has introduced himself to a few people by attacking them. even in the RVS he was.-
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I think you chose to consciously emphasize the strategy. It just reminded me of how mafia will attempt to "solve" in RVS. I doubt that this is indicative of your alignment though.In post 113, ChaosOmega wrote:
I misread peeks as a shorthand for Cheeky.In post 112, Rhah wrote:
I would like for you to tell me to tell me what is not true. Your first post is a naked vote and then you proceed to... talk about peeks. In what way is my observation dishonest? Also, this being the second thing you decide to post in the game thread strikes me a certain way. It's not a good feeling. Nevermind that you actually accompany your post with a vote on me.In post 102, ChaosOmega wrote:
Well that's not true at all. I voted them and suggested a claiming strategy unrelated to Cheeky.In post 56, Rhah wrote:Oh yeah. Found it interesting how Chaos opens up with just talking about peeks.
VOTE: Rhah
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Not a fan of Luca right now either; going to keep that close to the vest for now.
UNVOTE: Rhah
Alright, now that I can actually read what you're saying, let's try this dialogue again. Why would you find it interesting that I only talked about setup strategy with my first post given that the only other things posted were greetings and random votes?
I'm used to (hypo) cop claims being referred to as peeks, I can't say it's something I do a lot.In post 116, Zulfy wrote:What are peeks?
So are you policy lynching UC? Cause that's what it looks like. Also, neat pool. How did you get there?In post 117, UnaBombaH wrote:Oh man, I pretty much missed the RVS..
On the other hand, I got to read some more when starting, and I have currently no trouble going for a VOTE: UC Voyager.
We do not need this in late game anyway, based on the things I have seen so far.
One ofUC Voyager, Zulfy, Rhahis scum to me, interested in seeing their respective progressions.-
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I consider lynching people because you don't want them in endgame bad practice. From the way UnabomaH worded it, that's what it looked like to me moreso than an actual scumread on you. At the moment I'm not putting a whole lot of weight on this thought unless he gives me reason to do so.In post 127, UC Voyager wrote: whoa. chill out there. im only at three votes. lol. and this just started yesterday, so i mean. a little early to be saying that....
I had planned on calling you mafia, but it was immediately overshadowed by UC being scummier, I think.CheekyTeeky wrote:UCV if you're town I'm going to be mad. You're so obviously scum that it makes me think you aren't...but then you are, right?-
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Sorry, at this moment I don't feel like putting the words together. You tried to look like you were innocent. That was the impression your play initially gave me.In post 132, UC Voyager wrote:
i dont understand what you mean. how was i "coy"In post 36, Rhah wrote:UC Voyager... you appear to be acting coy. It does not bode well.
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he didn't say he had a reason, but didn't state it. he just said i feel like UCV is town......In post 60, Rhah wrote:UC Voyager wrote:Rhah. Reading without reason is just as indicative as voting without reason. Voting and reading based on gut dealing doesn't work...I have seen to many people die that way, or not die that way.
You are implying necro has no reason for his read, when it is implied he has one and did not state it... one could infer he is mafia, but they shouldn't for the reasons you seem to be suspecting him for. Simply because a read can be faked. It is easy to create things. It's easy to act aloof. This is a game of pretenses and motivations, after all. I do think you're deliberately choosing to view things a certain way at the moment.
I imagine so. I'd say I'd aim for that, considering I think you're going to flip mafia. But there's something about you that makes me want to toss that out the window. Unfortunately for you, that "something" isn't tangible and I haven't seen it manifest in the form of your actions at the moment.UC Voyager wrote: dude. im only at 3 votes. is that enough to try to say that i will be today's lynch.-
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You're going with the assumption I called him out as in scummy. When I said as much that it wasn't that indicative in way of his alignment. You seem to view all type of pressure as an attack, or that's what you're framing my push as.In post 132, UC Voyager wrote: well the issue is. you kind of had only "peeking" as a reason to try and call out choas. you know you could have said (hey peeking isn't always the best idea).-
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Consider your wish granted.CheekyTeeky wrote: You do realise that there are 3 scum slots? Why not put me in one of them?
Loosely.CheekyTeeky wrote:Do you have other scum reads that are overshadowed by the UCV circus?
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From my experience, when someone gives a naked read, they almost always have a reason for that read besides "no reason". This is usually always established. You're doing that thing though, so I'll probably be moving my vote off of you when it's convenient. Your play is now veering off hardscum and veering into "the mislynch I knew was a mislynch but still ended up hitting", though those lines do cross. I'll wait to see more from people.UC Voyager wrote:how is it implied though?????like i mean. he didnt say anything, but i think UCV is town. i know implying is to say something without saying it, but there was no way to say anyone was town or scum then. im not saying necro i scum or anything, but it doesn't make since to....
Push...Attack....you knew what i meant
By the mistakes of myself or those of competent people. Not by the fabled "policy lynch" that should have happened, no.Zulfy wrote:
Haven't you ever been bitten in the ass in LYLO?In post 131, Rhah wrote:I consider lynching people because you don't want them in endgame bad practice.-
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Let me put my feet up. You don't have to start discrediting me right away.In post 143, CheekyTeeky wrote:and this only makes it easier for scum to hide (as rhah 's weak scum read on me proved)-
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I've approached you with logic and received basically just question marks from your play. Can you put your vote back on me so it at least makes sense? God.
I don't think you really want this dance. Not with me.CheekyTeeky wrote:Agree Rhah is scummy.
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I don't have to spell it out, CT. Doubtcasting players simply for expressing doubt on you is pretty scummy. You've done that and expounded some. (Your position on me doesn't seem to mention anything besides the post where I call you out) I've responded to that, which... automatically makes me scummy to you. We can go in the circle that I imagine you want me to end up in, or I can just sit here and hope that people in this game read this post. Like actually read the words. This option seems the most comfortable to me.-
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Literally, the post where you go "UCV is scum.. .maybe too scum." I'm pretty sure that atmosphere was at least floating around already given that he was being wagoned, so I really didn't see why you had to add that as your input when it could have been... maybe.. other sorts of content considering your two prior posts in the slot are just naked votes. This is the notion that's condemned me, apparently.In post 159, CheekyTeeky wrote:
So what gave you the weak scum read on me BEFORE our dance? You know, the weak scum read I mentioned to prove my UCV is anti-town and PL is not completely out of line, therefore Una is probs town point?
I actually, from our engagement don't feel that any answers I provide to you will be "correct". I think I'll just sit here and play off my wagon.CheekyTeeky wrote: The way you've twisted my descriptive comment of your post, out of context, to now say I've used it to discredit you as scum has proved to me your intentions are not objectively town.
I think I'm allowed to be interested in things. If you wanna fry me for it then go ahead.Vanderscamp wrote: If it's not indicative of his alignment why did you say it was interesting? Because I agree that it's probably NAI but I disagree that it's remotely interesting.-
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It isn't ordered most/least. Everyone on there is who I've perceived as scum in some fashion. I hope to lynch in there and achieve desired results. necro looks like our lucky candidate right now.
Can't say I've seen you make a decent one, friend.necro wrote:Best post you've made all game.
If I wanted to speak for the sake of it and not be scrutinized I don't think I would have had a hard time. Otherwise you're just speculating and I don't see the point in even responding because I feel like I went through this with Chaos himself already.Vanderscamp wrote: You're allowed to be interested in whatever you want, in the same way that I'm allowed to question it. Why was it interesting to you? Because I also thought you were throwing shade on whoever it was, and ATM it seems like you were just saying it for the sake of saying something.
You're framing my push on you, subtly. If anyone's hyperdefensive it'd be you considering the way our progressions started in the first place. Otherwise, there's things that you can be posting right now. As in, you've done more talking about UCV distracting the town from scum hunting than actually scumhunting. And again, inventing avenues for me to be scum.CheekyTeeky wrote: Then Rhah gets all uppity "omg CT is discrediting me bring it on I'll smash you" so like he's either usually hyperdefensive and irrational as town or he's scum; pushing shade on whoever hoping something sticks.-
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Was UCV not scum to you a page ago, or did you call him obviously scum as a term of endearment? This is obviously disingenuous. Your whole post has the same tone. I have, in fact been outclassed in the art of bullshit. I invited this though so I'm not surprised.CheekyTeeky wrote:How are you scum hunting? I see you pushing the easy mislynch
Is this your description of necro, because it's not accurate. This is bait. It's why I'm not voting you. You're probably capable of getting your mislynch but I don't know to what end this whole thing goes. I'd literally have to color my PM red to be as scummy, anti-town, or useless as your tone implies my play/reads have been.CheekyTeeky wrote:the guy who has been trolling the whole game.-
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In post 187, CheekyTeeky wrote:Do you have any arguments for town to use as evidence of your sorting?
None that will seem sound when they come out of whatever filter you're putting my posts through.-
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Gonna say that this post was pretty ambiguous in terms of your read on UC. By ambiguous I mean it didn't look like you townread that slot at the time, at all. Apparently you do currently, though.In post 128, CheekyTeeky wrote:UCV if you're town I'm going to be mad. You're so obviously scum that it makes me think you aren't...but then you are, right?
CT ---> RhahZulfy wrote:
Those are both things I already knew.In post 193, Rhah wrote:155 is referring to CTs response to me. Not UC Voyager. The second post you quote is me answering a question.
Let´s clarify, who was doing the doubcasting and who were they casting that doubt on?
Rhah ---> CT
CT -----> Rhah
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Given that you seriously asked this question I will decline to engage.Zulfy wrote:Great. When did she doubtcast you?
No, I'm not.In post 210, Luca Blight wrote:
You're completely taking away the context and putting in its place a generic statement.In post 112, Rhah wrote:
Well... both of your assumptions are sort of surface level in a way. The mafia can't be afraid of conflict anyway, given that their nature is to drive mislynches. This post gives me scum vibes on Luca. I would say I'm getting that vibe from his tone, as well. To be determined.In post 86, Luca Blight wrote:
I disagree with this; if UC is scum, what would he have to gain from calling someone who openly townreads him 'scum' this early in the game?In post 83, Vanderscamp wrote:
I think you're more likely to be town now because I would have expected scumYou to take the easy and expected route and call necro scum.In post 73, UC Voyager wrote:ima be honest. here is what im feeling
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Talk about unnecessary conflict.
Yes, scum may need to be prepared for conflict at times, but they certainly need to choose their battles and it makes little sense to attack someone who townreads them early doors. To bring this back to its origin - the point was that UC not calling Necro scum doesn't give him any Townie points, in my opinion.
In what way does that post give you 'scumvibes', apart from you completely missing/ignoring the point of it?As for scumreading for the tone - that's obviously just a cop-out due to not having any valid reason to back up your 'suspicion', which in itself is really just an excuse for a possible future wagon-jump.
I find it hilarious when people try to use this reason for a scumread - it's something that can neither be proven nor denied and is just worthless.
Okay, here's the thing. What I said and what you said don't conflict nor did I miss anything. wavemode basically said it: Scum will make not-optimal plays or ones they shouldn't simply because they arefreeto. It means they can and will do things that they shouldn't, so townreading people for doing things that aren't difficult and don't make a lot of sense as scum is arbitrary. That was the point. Your example of UC not calling necro scum is the same point. What's hilarious to me is that the bold is quite obviously you doing what you're accusing me of doing in the same sentence, to anyone that can read. Literally all of that has no value. You're setting up a mafia narrative and motivation for my actions with regard to you and at the same time your read on me enables you to join my wagon at a future point if you desire.
We're talking about something that I decided wasn't alignment indicative, that I said I found interesting. You said it wasn't interesting to you. I have no interest in discussing subjective things or figuring out why you would use that to try to read me. I'd say maybe my recent posts and just about everything else besides the thing you seem to take issue with would be more helpful in discerning my alignment.Vanderscamp wrote: I still don't like Rhah calling out Chaos's thing as "interesting" and then saying he thinks it's NAI because it just looks like a meaningless thing to point out if he doesn't scumread it. I think his recent posts have been okay.-
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If the answer to your initial question isn't obvious to you already from either my own or her posts then the conclusion must be that I'm lying. If you see no doubt casting from her then I have no hope for you.Zulfy wrote:
I think you're lying.In post 224, Rhah wrote:Given that you seriously asked this question I will decline to engage.
@Chaos: This is a trivial straw grab. Did you just fos me for the timing of a post? There's no correlatiion. I decided after that post and your response that your actions weren't indicative. Not before. You're saying I had already made my progression when I made 56 which isn't true.-
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I'm not evading an explanation, Zulfy. Your statements seem to assert that my version of reality does not exist. I said in 167 why I made 131. When she responded to the engagement by discrediting me and locking me scum over relatively little "shade" I thought there was some doubt-casty stuff somewhere in that whole mix at least. If you can't see any of that then it must not be there, right? Hence why rope is on me.-
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I wanna say that this probably flips mafia.Morality wrote:Sorry. Keep forgetting to log into this account.
I still think Zulfy is scum. Necro’s probably town due to that last thing I posted because scum generally is more aware of what their reads are.
necro probably knows very well what its "reads" are. It's just that inconsistency doesn't matter because I think necro is aware you guys aren't trying to find scum. Also dissonance and implied progression are different things.
There isn't one. The mafia in this game are going to convince you all that they shit out gold in their posts and that's what's going to work for them. It has thus far.In post 261, wavemode wrote:What is the case against Rhah
I would you to almost. I don't think you're mafia, you just decided to play for their wincon early game. What a good sport. Town after I flip please lynch inside of necro/CT/Luca Blight. I think that Chip Butty and Zulfy/Chaos are town. Don't know if all three.acidphoenix wrote:rhah's iso:
i'd rather not lynch here based on his wagon reactions
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Well I mean, I think you're completely full of shit. I am too in a couple ways so I'm not stressing out that hard. I shouldn't have acted like I wanted this 1v1 though, given how this town works I didn't know I'd be fucked here. I'd like to answer your questions but I'm mainly not inclined to right now because you're the one asking them and I think you're obviously MLing me anyway, but frankly I'm not gonna case people when I'm getting mislynched with sheer momentum and apathy. You guys can solve like you have been. I'll make my "cases" tomorrow if I'm still here.
My hero.acidphoenix wrote:nah i just don't care-
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As a little girl who may also happen to be a bitch I find your practice discriminatory. Please desist, and accept our lord and saviour Jesus Christ into your heart today.CheekyTeeky wrote: Wtf is this? Stop bitching like a little girl and give me a valid reason to move on. I hate wasting time on you, but unfortunately you're part of this game and I have to sort you.
on necro: Not a lot of words that are going to appear here. play is quite obviously a bluff. It's not trolly in the town way. I feel decently well about this. Given that he has said almost nothing how am I supposed to articulate these points? His inaction and lack of proactivity is deliberate to me and comes from mafia. Other circumstances play like this is probably townread, but no. I believe necro is competent enough to dissuade pressure on him in a way that'd "appear" to be town.
Spoiler: re:Luca Blight-
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I feel given that none of my pushes have been a tangible threat to your slot's life(either on this day or tomorrow, actually) and I'm maybe the only person who has pushed you, you shouldn't feel like you're in a corner. When people present the impression that they're sorting me but don't respond to things I've said before I tend to think their read is already decided on me for *reasons*. As in I've said things before to you that weren't attacks and didn't get anything back.In post 303, CheekyTeeky wrote:UGH -_-
I gave you several. Here it is in a few sentences. When I brought it up in post 56, I thought it was meaningful in sort of an indicative way. Between that time and post 126 I decided that this was not indicative. What happened somewhere after this point is that you two pushed me for "bringing it up in the first place". Again, this ignores the fact that I had a progression where I genuinely evaluated something. This has happened at least three separate times and I'm still being harped on for something that means nothing.Vanderscamp wrote: If you have no interest in discussing subjective things, why bring it up in the first place?
Fwiw I agree that your (Rhah) recent posts sound better but you're not giving me any opportunity to try and re-evaluate this point if I'm wrong.-
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Happy birthday, UnaH. Somehow Chip Butty has looked less townie.. Speaking of quote walls, how are UCV and necro invested enough into the game to give a fuck about them?
This is false though. If being accused of setting up mislynches and just shading isn't being doubtcasted a little then I don't know what is. I feel as if we'll be on to bigger and better things now though, like lynching necro who's probably mafia. So I don't know that it makes sense to continue pushing this thing now. Also your approach to me hasn't mentioned anything I've done that doesn't refer to CT, which is still a portion of my play.Zulfy wrote: Summary: He contradicts himself on his reason for ongoingly engaging CheekyTeeky. When confronted all he does is despair.-
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Literally expressing a statement of doubt on my prior read on your slot(which I had a town read on) is doubtcasting? In the literal sense maybe but otherwise I don't think so. Please try something else cause this isn't a genuine statement. I didn't understand your progression on Morality (or where Una's response to you leaves your postiion on him, I know that your vote is still there) and I didn't like your recent few posts in addition to the one I just quoted.Chip Butty wrote: Okay, this time you really are doubtcasting without giving reasons. Got any? I mean, reasons for doubtcasting the guy who is systematically looking over the entire field and calling people our for not explaining their positions, while supplying reasons for his own positions? For the sake of my blood pressure, please don't say mybposts 'feel forced' lol.-
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necro's scumminess is not style. Portraying it as such is a detriment.In post 354, Morality wrote: Funny how Necro/ucv are easy people to just throw votes on based on how they play, Rhah was looking like he could be mislynched, and then Chip and I easily look like we could potentially be pushed to stop any momentum we would have gained through our pushes and set up potential mislynches after with each.-
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Wouldn't mind his wagon that much.In post 365, CheekyTeeky wrote:Morality is scum. Doubt = zero.-
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Maybe I can tell what it isn't.In post 377, necro wrote: How would you know what my style is?-
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I think you're completely feeding us shit. Also, 251 may as well be a scum claim on several different levels now. I'm not at all that impressed that you didn't wagon CT when she was doing scummy shit, rather you wait until she applies pressure to you. I think you and necro are scum angling this wagon. Everyone do what you will with that.
Interesting how the same thing you use to assert a townread on necro is what Cheeky is now scum for. Or am I mistaken. I'd like to be enlightened.Morality wrote: Then Rhah posted he could vote Morality, and without batting an eye, Cheeky jumped on that even after having just stated a town read on myself, right before she completely 180’d and contradicted herself..-
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In post 417, Morality wrote: @Rhah - Yes. Exactly that. Look at the difference between the two, though. Necro’s is coming from an ignorance is bliss mentality, whereas Cheeky’s comes from just an ignorant mentality.
I'm sure the distinction's only made at all because one of these players is against your agenda and the other isn't.-
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Only going to quote one of these statements cause the other similar things you say are around the...same level of headache? The fact that you admit to being reckless and a wild card as scum literally means we can expect anything from you, including doing things that youIn post 417, Morality wrote: I at all hesitant when I am scum? If anything, I have a balls to the wall kind of mentality as scum.wouldn't. So it doesn't mean a whole lot. All the self meta stuff is puke.-
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Nope.In post 432, Morality wrote: Sure. That’s a possibility. But isn’t that exactly why Cheeky attacked me and paired up with you?-
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Not really. She said you were scum before I said I'd be cool with the wagon, then she voted there. I had a scumread on you before all of that. She wouldn't really need me for that wagon. I think she's direct enough to 1v1 so she wouldn't need to rely on someone to strongarm a mislynch if that were the case, let alone me, in clear violation of the supposed progression she had on my slot. The thing is, it's towny from her. Your response to direct situations is "whataboutthis". I'm sure there's several things you can do instead of deflecting. I've observed the same things you have.-
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Because you're basically just tossing a lot of wine out and it's gross. If you threw some analysis at me (of maybe other things in the game) I'd probably have townread you but your response seems like a very defensive and preservative one. And you consider it correct to doubtcast my skill as a way to discredit my read. You can't dress up shit with that. It's word vomit and I do not give two fucks how awful of a player I am. Scum spew it out in the same way so it's not like I'm going to townread you for undermining the skill of players like it's cool to do. There's other things you can do here that involve intelligent conflict resolution. I may not look like I'm trying to work with you, but that's because I despise humans. I'm sorting everyone in a rather objective capacity. Have you sought in our interaction to question my 180 on CheekyTeeky? Has anyone done that, really? You seem like you're close to flipping shit over what is a relatively minor level of "ignorance" from me. I don't really care given that it doesn't seem rational if we assess the whole situation. It seems like red play.In post 437, Morality wrote:
Notice how Cheeky continually states making this too easy yet says nothing, Rhah.In post 434, CheekyTeeky wrote:In post 417, Morality wrote:The fact he called me hesitant should show that I am not scum aligned.
Stop you're making this too easy. And my case isn't eloquent because I'm effing recovering from last night but you had to push me while I'm down so I'm not letting you get away with it.In post 429, Morality wrote:Hesitance implies I stop doing something because I was worried. I’m the guy that had a 2+ year scum streak and has only been lynched once as town in 3+ years. And I can’t even remember the last time I got lynched day 1. When would I ever be “hesitant”?
The reason she changed it was because you didn't vote her at the time you made those posts when it would have made sense, IIRC. What exactly are you referring to?Morality wrote: She also said I was town before that, and the reason she changed it was because I didn’t push her, yet I didn’t post in between those thought processes, so once again, you are wrong.-
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Morality wrote:And Rhah, stop being ignorant. She changed the fucking read without me posting in between. That has already happened. God damn, read and actually look at what’s happening. Terrible.
I'm aware of that part. Seen town do it before. Give me more of the wall-y cases, let's see if that works.-
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In post 460, Morality wrote: Yet it was scummy for you when Necro did it?
I believe it was you who established they were two different scenarios who warranted different reactions, right? So did I. Speaking of which, he's hardscum anyway. Hey necro, if I wagon you will you call me unintelligent and bad? That's kinda my fetish.-
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Yeah I asked earlier because you made the same contradiction and you got out of it by telling me they were different scenarios. I'm practicing and learning from what you have imparted in me.In post 465, Morality wrote:
Wait, this is a direct contradiction. You asked earlier on this about Necro doing the same exact thing as Cheeky, yet with cheeky, you town read it both ways and Necro is just hardscum because of it? You are the one who pointed out they were the exact same thing. I was aware, but I didn’t bring it up.-
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If he rolled mafia this game he already has a win, anyway.acidphoenix wrote:boon how about if you're going to fight you fight with cheeky instead of with rhah
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She strikes me as the sort of player who forms behind the scenes reads and would rather let players sort by their posting rather than giving scum ins to work the game via interaction. Also mentioned being OMGUS-y which lines up. There's town that play hard like that. necro's play is a veneer and aids scum. Also some of her statements and random progressions don't seem like they come from scum. Her play doesn't strike me as calculated to drive mislynches, which you have asserted. She's also doing a shitty job at "mislynching" you right now and I don't see why a scum!CT would go for an ML on town!Morality when necro exists (given he's town) because necro wagon would be a very safe low attention profile wagon for CT. There's a third scenario where they're both scum but I don't feel I buy that.Morality wrote:
What can you attribute to CT being town play? Explain please.In post 470, Rhah wrote:Putting that aside there is nothing remotely town about necro's play, for one. Considering I can attribute town to CT's play I'd say I have more reasons for those reads than just the one.
If you wanna do an even more swell job at breaking me out of the pocket, insult my play. Well aren't those the most logical conclusions to arrive at. We could have started with you asking where my progression on her originated. Because no one in the game ever did. Great that you know I'm pocketed already though.Morality wrote:
Fighting with Rhah is fighting with cheeky. He’s either hardcore in Cheek’s pocket, or scum, I think the former, so it benefits town for me to break Rhah out of that.-
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And I'm the one who's so dumb. Gee! Cheeky, you suck as scum. We should have done theatre better early game!Morality wrote:@Rhah - She was going for a mislynch on me because she thought I would be an easy mislynch. I was very inactive before this, and I generally like being inactive until something brings me into the game hard. Now she is stuck trying to push me but has nothing to actually push me with.
The world where you're Boonskiies and don't give a shit?Morality wrote: In what world, if I was scum, do I pair myself up so closely to Necro if we were both scum?
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