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Derpy Hooves why would putting a vote on Xiao Long right now "ruin the game?" It's random vote stage, people say all kinds of meaningless stuff and put votes for even less meaning. But here you've taken actual issue with his post, provided reasoning, and no vote? I don't understand what damage you're trying to prevent.
Making a declaration that you're going to play day one in your own way doesn't absolve from town duties.-
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Putting up a disclaimer like Derpy did doesn't do anything to advance the town, and makes it more difficult to gather tells. Does making a first-post disclaimer like that null all future texts? It shouldn't...
don't see how that's not scum hunting, prodding for clarity on actions that are unusual or untownlike-
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We're on page three. Quote for some posts that have resonated with you as good input.In post 63, Apple Jack wrote:
You haven’t had any good input yet thoughIn post 62, Wossi wrote:also saying i'm stupid town or stupid mafia just nullifies any input I have, which ultimately isn't good.-
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There's a difference between everyone posting low information level posts, and someone choosing only to quote and respond to completely non-game related questions. Obviously. You're stretching here pretty widelyIn post 102, Apple Jack wrote:
Weren’t you just asking me to show you examples of good input? That implies you didn’t think anyone has had any.In post 84, Wossi wrote:Mumble skipped two pages just to respond to fluff with fluff
So why would somebody skipping over “not good” input be scummy exactly?
P.edit - cause you are hella scummy and I’d be super happy with your lynch-
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and yet you feel the need to defend himIn post 108, Apple Jack wrote:
If anyone was stretching it was you when you implied he was scummy for skipping a few useless pages.In post 106, Wossi wrote:Obviously. You're stretching here pretty widely-
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Hi, my name is Derpy Hooves, I'm scum and I very badly want to lynch town, but I so, so, so dont want to be held accountible so someone who reads townier then me please take responsibility! Thanks!In post 159, Apple Jack wrote:
I just typed up a post explaining why I know he’s scum but I’ll wait to see what you have to say.In post 158, Tchill13 wrote:alright step right up good ppl of the perfect luv game and let me tell you why wossi is scum. taking questions now.-
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Oof I was so excited when I got neighbor cause I thought I was gonna get a new best friends to share secrets with and act like Bert & Ernie. That obviously didn't happen.
Here's Derpy's mistake. Voting for someone on page two DOES NOT MEAN I think that someone is scum. I am 100% percent not ready to lynch Derpy. If he flew up to -1, -2 in the next couplle hours, I would jump off this wagon very quickly.
I didn't think my posting in the neighbor thread needed to match my posting here. I decided the bedt thing to do there would be to treat each other like confirmed town and share information. Best case, we're both town and have a sounding board for shared ideas. Worst case, one of is scum, and eventually after how many pages of playing town is going to slip up and give them selves away.
From the very beginning, Derpy wasn't willing to participate. Why? Don't know....we had nothing to lose but still, he shut the neighborhood thread down after 4 posts.
Derpy is either bold scum or moronic town. If he is town, he's probably assuming a two-man neighborhood would contain 1 maf and 1 town, which is fundamentally erroneous.-
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It's ideal neighbor behavior to act like your partner is town and continue discussion REGARDLESS of what you thinn alignment might actually be.
You shutting down the neighborhood thread is frankly scummy. Flow of information is pro-town. Blockage of information is pro-scum. And with no hesitation you dove head first into blockage.-
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Even if I was 100% certain you were scum I would STILL tell you i'm assuming you're town in the neighborhood. Because if I'm town with a scum neighbor, i'm gonna want to milk that for all I can. It makes zero sense to just say I'm not talking to you, you're scum, bye, which is exactly what you did.
Also, you conveniently fail to mention that my "assuming you're town" post was posted before there was even two posts in the main thread and before your insane tunneler persona came to surface. It's a total fallacy to continue to hold me accountable to that first friendly intro post after all the information that's been revealed-
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If Derpy's town, there's a chance the meta of "two-man neighborhood has one town and one scum" tainted his read on me from the very beginning.
I really don't like how Animetrix indirectly asks town to confirm his thoughts in so many of his posts. Like nervous scum trying find reassurance that they're blending in.-
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Yes. Obviously.In post 285, Animetrix wrote:
Interesting, but I suppose I can understand this thought process. But, I must ask. Would nervous scum really be trying to put themselves into the conversation and asking for reads, rather than blending in completely?In post 240, Wossi wrote:I really don't like how Animetrix indirectly asks town to confirm his thoughts in so many of his posts. Like nervous scum trying find reassurance that they're blending in.-
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Elaboration: Scum never wants to blend. Town is too savvy for under-the-radar gameplay to float by undetected. Scum wants to look proactive in scumhunting, leading wagons and making waves, ideally at little or no risk to their scumselves or their buddies. I get a feeling that Animetrix is attempting this, but his need for town reassurance is a huge red flag. Especially the "are you sure you have good reasoning for town reading me" post to somebody earlier....i'd quote but im on phone and iPhone 4 is worthless
The only wierd thing is Xiao Long voting him first....-
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All i want is a neighbor who loves me.....why would people being reluctant to bandwagon equal me being scum PR? Let it go Derpy. Jumping to conclusions and clinging to them with death grips gives scum openings to take advantage.
UNVOTE: Derpy Hooves
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In post 298, Apple Jack wrote:
This is the most absurd statementIn post 297, Wossi wrote:because it doesn't make sense to go all or nothing on a mislynch with this little onformation
Are you saying I shouldn't townread you? Because I don't need to......
Putting energy and risk into ensuring a day one mislynch just isn't long term productive for scum. Day one scum want to be noncommittal. Derpy Hooves is the opposite of noncommittal.-
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Ten people arent voting me. Ten people are scum trying to save a PR? Okay.....In post 302, Chickadee wrote:
There's hesitation against your wagon. Scum would be trying to save their PR, seeing as it's only D1. Duh.In post 300, Wossi wrote:Why do you think I'm PR and not just regular scum btw?-
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Bert & Ernie just got a divorce. We could have had so mich fun together neighbor! Too bad you tunnel harder then a prairie dog with an adderall addiction. We could have had something special...In post 303, Apple Jack wrote:Let’s skip over how it absurd it is that you think you can convince people you aren’t scum.
I’m referring to your statement that scum isn’t going to go all in on a mislynch. That’s absurd. Scum will and have gone all in on mislynches. Doing things that people think scum won’t do is literally the best way to play as scum-
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Derpy and Xiao are so loud and so distracting. Scum is hiding, but not necessarily by not posting. Judging scumminess by activity level is a slippery slope. Town and scum are equally likely to have real life conflicts.
I want to dissect Animetrix and see if I can explain what's making me feel ick about his play....Nauci actually has similar vibes too. Kinda naive and kinda seeking affirmation a bit too much. Animetrix's "Are you sure you want to town read me?" was so bad and then Nauci actually gave him town points for it!. But I need to be on my computer. So tomorrow. But yeah, we need to stop allowing Derpy and Xiao to hog the spotlight-
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Derpy is just as much guilty of this if not more so....In post 382, Tchill13 wrote:In post 342, Apple Jack wrote:
If I’m wrong about you. Improve your play next time and stop trying to do things intentionally to force people to town read you.In post 341, Xiao Long wrote:Except you’re 100% wrong about me, so I have little reason to trust you’re right about Wossi.
Lol this site is just full of a ton of ppl that day "let me play the game my way, my ability to read ppl is so advanced and intelligent that I can play in a way that doesn't necessarily help town and we'll win because I'm so good."In post 343, Xiao Long wrote:Improve my play lol
My play has been fine, not my fault you can’t analyze.-
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In post 388, Tchill13 wrote:You just make sense and play the game well without doing stupid crap. It's a joke and a compliment. Not playing every single game with you lmao.
Do you think refusing to utilize day one votes yet tunneling relentlessly is smart gameplay?
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In post 399, Xiao Long wrote:Nevermind, I shouldn’t question anything Derpy does. I forgot I’m a bad player.
Flavor what happened to your wall tables?
It sounds like you're letting the fact that you dislike playing with him affect your read on him
Also, Tchill, nothing about my reads or gameplay has improved or become more intricate in response to you. I'm playing consistently. You cant pull stuff out of thin air and claim them to be scum tells-
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Ugh I just knew when you made that disclaimer you'd be quoting it down the line, like it somehow absolves you of all responsibility for your actions. Sorry, but you don't get to make an umbrella statement excusing yourself indefinitely. Why would town need or want this? You're self-aware enough to realize your play is problematic but make no effort to correct it?In post 410, Apple Jack wrote:
It’s almost like I warned people about me and yet people still wanted to tangle with meIn post 8, Apple Jack wrote:for the sake of not ruining the game on day 1, I’m probably just going to ask questions and process information and won’t actually start pushing to lynch my scum reads until day 2. This is unorthodox and some will find it scummy but I’m not really worried about that.
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Too basic that my scumminess increases at the same time I start calling you out....too obvious.In post 433, Nauci wrote:
Every post Wossi makes is giving me scummier vibes but I'm still quite paranoid this could be true.In post 379, Flavor Leaf wrote:VOTE: Porkens
I’m not going to have much time today or tomorrow, but I will get to this game.
I think Porkens is scum taking advantage for a mislynch on Wossi.
And Derpy, your play is problematic to me and I'm not scum nor playing badly on purpose. You made a judgement call sooooo early and then brickwalled me. How am I supposed to work with that? I read on the wiki that it's best play for neighbors who don't know each others alignment should just play uhder te assumptions their both town, so thats what I did. Then I voted for you. That's the chain of events that got us here. It's crazy that you've gotten to I must be scum with zero doubt from that. Your play is problematic-
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It was not a vote to lynch. Nobody was in any danger of getting lynched. It was a vote to prod, to provoke, to delve up information. Also, just because I said I'm assuming you're town doesn't mean I believe it. Remember, I don't know your alignment. As far as I was concerned everything was fine. Your reaction is extreme and premature. People are going to laugh when our neighborhood is opened at the end of the game-
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Nauci, please be patient with me until I can get on a computer and dive into ISO. Animetrix is ringing alarm bells to me, and then by extension you too by defending and "normalizing" what I saw as his scummiest postIn post 454, Nauci wrote:Also... XL wasn't joking with the fake hammer? It was Wossi bait? Like the whole argument was because Derpy shat on that gambit and didn't take it seriously?
P.S. That RVS post was straight up awful WIFOM baiting bs, XL. It's bad play regardless of your alignment and both makes you suspicious and wastes town time with stupid WIFOM posting. It's only downhill from there.
Pedit: I think he was saying he town reads you (for whatever reason), and also town reads Derpy for tunneling on you.
Also he was referring to Derpy's call to vig you that was like, in the last page.
Wossi I post exactly why I scum read your posts... You haven't shown evidence of either Anime or I seeking affirmation it's a shitty claim and your defense of lurking is scummy af. Idgaf how you read me, only *why.*
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I'm at what, L-2? L-3? Stop acting like I'm already dead. And Derpy, stop making noise for the sake of noise. Refusing to budge like this is making it impossible for the town to reason and explore all their options. You're not adding any dialogue by chanting "Lynch Wossi Lynch Wossi" over and over. And you've only gotten louder and more inane when Lord Gurgi starting poking holes in your gameplay. If you don't have something intelligent, new, and informative to add, leave it. You were ready to lynch on the first page, great. Now let the big kids spend the rest of the day using it for what its supposed to be used for-
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Some quick thoughts on Animetrix:
In post 196, Animetrix wrote:
I think this is the first actual serious post I saw. While I don't necessary agree with tchill, I like the thought process that he has in this post. Shows that he's looking for tones in others posts, and he isn't worried about himself so far.In post 76, Tchill13 wrote:In post 27, Wossi wrote:Putting up a disclaimer like Derpy did doesn't do anything to advance the town, and makes it more difficult to gather tells. Does making a first-post disclaimer like that null all future texts? It shouldn't...
don't see how that's not scum hunting, prodding for clarity on actions that are unusual or untownlike
Wossi is scum. Found a half ass "this will make me look towny" reason to vote someone day 1 early.In post 28, Wossi wrote:and to not be a hypocrite, because day one votes are important.
VOTE: Derpy Hooves
VOTE: wossi
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This post gives me bad feelings, I feel as thought that it's a cheap reason to just jump on a vote early. There is really no explanation why they would sheep the vote. Maybe he was still making joke posts after the first actual scum read of the game? Either way. both reasons give me reason to pause.In post 80, Xiao Long wrote:Bah, fine
I'll just sheep the Wossi vote then VOTE: Wossi
P-Edit: Hey look man, it's not my fault I'm stupid at forum tags!
Neither of his first two posts say anything at all. After an empty announcement that he was going to dive into some serious posts in 195, this is all he comes up with. In the first post, he says he likes Tchill's thought process? What thought process? Tchill critizes me for providing half-assed voting reasoning with half-assed voting reasoning of his own. And then Animetrix applauds him for looking for town and not "worrying about himself". What does that even mean? There's no connection. But yet Tchill's post is good , and Xiao Long's following post is bad. Equally empty. But Animetrix gets "bad feelings" and overanalyzes a sheep post. Maybe he's making a joke? No. He's sheeping. People do it. Way too much tryhard thought process on empty posts. Way too much busy work, bustling about trying to look town. And of course, because he's afraid to commit, he doesn't vote.
Out of all the people Flavor Leaf didn't elaborate on, why specify Nauci? I don't like the relationship between these two.In post 205, Animetrix wrote:Flavor Leaf, I like the fact that you are trying to make your reads known with the graph thing you are doing, but I would like some more expansion on some of them. Like your tone read on Nauci, what about their tone? Is there a certain post? Cause I haven't seen anything alignment indicative so far from them.-
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If the point of this post is to critize Dunkerdoodles for wagon jumping, why does Animetrix feel the need to remind us that he's scumreading Xiao like a good little town? There's no need for a town player to do this. Especially because he's still not actually voting Xiao. Animetrix's is just hoping for some extra town points by agreeing with the majority wagon and making damn sure we know he's agreeing with the majority wagonIn post 199, Animetrix wrote:
At this point of reading the posts, I noticed that others were picking up my scum vibes for Xiao as well. This post seems just like jumping on a wagon, though. Again no explanation, and it looks like trying to be busy by voting, while asking a question to deflect of the vote.In post 146, Dunkerdoodles wrote:hello friends
VOTE: Xiao
scummy imo
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In post 239, Animetrix wrote:
Can you expand on this? All I did was catch up. It would help me analyze you better. I personally don't see what I could have done in the catch up to make you think I'm one of your top town reads so far. But, perhaps that is just my skeptical nature.In post 229, Nauci wrote:Animetrix (shoutouts to Animatrix) as towny
THIS THIS THIS is the post I hate. This is the giant red flag. It's just so sycophantically scummy.
Nauci: I'm town reading Animetrix!
Animetrix: Oh, are you sure you want to do that? Are you sure I've been playing town enough? All I did was catch up! Please, reassure me while simultaneously validate my towniness in front of every one else!
Nauci: Oh, of course! Anything else for you, buddy?
I know I'm exaggerating with that paraphrasing. But still, it looks that bad to me. If I was Nauci I would have called Animetrix out with red alerts after that post, and what did she do? encouraged it.-
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Laidback scum coasts and sheeps and flies under the radar. Nervous scum tries too hard to look town. And subsequently exposes themselves. Like you're doing with this post.In post 285, Animetrix wrote:
Interesting, but I suppose I can understand this thought process. But, I must ask. Would nervous scum really be trying to put themselves into the conversation and asking for reads, rather than blending in completely?In post 240, Wossi wrote:I really don't like how Animetrix indirectly asks town to confirm his thoughts in so many of his posts. Like nervous scum trying find reassurance that they're blending in.-
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Now a brief look at Nauci in relationship to Animentrix
This is the reassurance and validation I mentioned earlier. Animetrix made such a scummy post. And Nauci tries to fool us all by saying no, no, it's genuine scum hunting. Who is he scum hunting here???? Himself?! She's taking advantage of a town distracted by Derpy's railing against Xiao and I to sweep her partner's misteps under the carpet.In post 324, Nauci wrote:
I just liked your reads of tchill and XL, and your prodding. For example, I really like this post because it sounds like genuine scum hunting. Also your post @ FL.In post 285, Animetrix wrote:
Interesting, but I suppose I can understand this thought process. But, I must ask. Would nervous scum really be trying to put themselves into the conversation and asking for reads, rather than blending in completely?
Here she is again. Defending Animetrix before I even started openly linking them together.In post 325, Nauci wrote:
I'm not sure if I understand what phenomenon you're referring to?In post 240, Wossi wrote:I really don't like how Animetrix indirectly asks town to confirm his thoughts in so many of his posts. Like nervous scum trying find reassurance that they're blending in.
Yup! Let's get this day over. Please lynch Wossi before he keeps drawing attention to me and my bumbling partner.In post 512, Nauci wrote:So who's ready for the day to be over?-
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Overly-eager in tone, not in actual results. If you were producing reads and results, I wouldn't be scumreading you. The tone and energy with zero substance is what you makes you a fraud.In post 525, Animetrix wrote:
I can't comprehend the point you're trying to get across. What makes me an 'overly-eager' scum hunter, when I've only scum read two people so far? Also, you're saying that me not voting yet, makes me scum? How so? What is the thought process behind that?In post 377, Wossi wrote:VOTE: Animetrix
Also for such an overly-eager scum hunter he doesnt have a vote on anybody. There's plenty of choices, no good reason not to vote
Also, did you just entirely skip my last five posts? Please read 517 to 521 and respond-
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In post 525, Animetrix wrote:
I can't comprehend the point you're trying to get across. What makes me an 'overly-eager' scum hunter, when I've only scum read two people so far? Also, you're saying that me not voting yet, makes me scum? How so? What is the thought process behind that?In post 377, Wossi wrote:VOTE: Animetrix
Also for such an overly-eager scum hunter he doesnt have a vote on anybody. There's plenty of choices, no good reason not to vote
Two reads or four reads?In post 529, Animetrix wrote:
So now you're saying it's the way I speak? I am trying to gather reads, at the time of my last post, we were only 3 posts in, and I had already given 4 reads, so your point doesn't make sense here. What exact substance are you talking about?In post 527, Wossi wrote:Overly-eager in tone, not in actual results. If you were producing reads and results, I wouldn't be scumreading you. The tone and energy with zero substance is what you makes you a fraud.-
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Have you read my case on you yet? I quoted your "cases", they were empt. And from the whole post your only rebuttal is about Nauci. You have no control over Nauci's actions so the fact that she swept in to assist you has nothing to do with your gameplay. Why is the only point you respond to in all my five posts about her and not you? Take responsiblity for your actions. Give you reads proper and original reasoning. Cast a vote.-
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This logic only works if your towniness was confirmed. It wasn't and it still isn't. I feel like I'm repeating myself over and over again. My first post in the neighborhood said I'm going to play under the assumption you're town. Then I made that post in response to a scummy post you made. That's it. That's it! That's the huge contradiction you caught me in! That's your entire case! I'm currently thinking you're not scum, but unfortunately its pointless to get invested in the futile task of trying to change your mind. I'll have a more productive time focusing on Animetrix and Nauci.In post 535, Apple Jack wrote:
THIS THIS THIS is the post I hate. This is the giant red flagIn post 165, Wossi wrote:Hi, my name is Derpy Hooves, I'm scum and I very badly want to lynch town, but I so, so, so dont want to be held accountible so someone who reads townier then me please take responsibility! Thanks!
No town would dare make this terrible of a post while blowing smoke up my ass saying you assume I’m town and trying to get me to talk with you.
And I’m gone like a ghost.
Derpy just wants so badly to be this kind of savant, this misunderstood genius that can catch scum in one post. And his relentless pursuit of that fantasy is preventing him from playing a pro-town and reasonable game. He may not be scum, but he's certainly giving them a lot of help.-
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I wouldn't expect scum to casually reveal themselves, that's ridiculous. But I think it would be difficult to fake being town in the neighborhood as the days went on. This debate of whether I confirmed or denied or didn't confirm or didn't deny is stupid and time wasting. Derpy and I have expressed consistent versions of events. His only mistake is jumping into an death tunnel on me so early and with so little information.In post 636, Apple Jack wrote:
He basically confirmed it. Saying he was going to try and use it to his advantage if I was actually scum if when you actually think about it makes no sense.In post 633, Chickadee wrote:
Wossi hasn't tried to deny it. I think that's pretty telling. I think he's trying to backpedal through a look-im-being-honest kind of approach.In post 628, Xiao Long wrote:Literally half of Derpys argument is about the neighborhood which is worthless to me since I can’t verify anything he’s said and he’s proven to be an anti town player.
1. If I’m scum and he’s town no mattter how much he butters me up, I’d never reveal I’m scum or who my partners were.
2. If he wanted to butter me up. He’d be consistent and treat me like I’m town in both forums.
The moment I didn’t take his bait. He turned on me. That’s scum.
Derpy's neighborhood is STILL the only case on me. I'm worried about the people calling for my lynch without sharing any reasoning why-
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I just realized mu post 165 was made long after you had shut down the neighborhood. Derpy's version of events ARE false.In post 535, Apple Jack wrote:
THIS THIS THIS is the post I hate. This is the giant red flagIn post 165, Wossi wrote:Hi, my name is Derpy Hooves, I'm scum and I very badly want to lynch town, but I so, so, so dont want to be held accountible so someone who reads townier then me please take responsibility! Thanks!
No town would dare make this terrible of a post while blowing smoke up my ass saying you assume I’m town and trying to get me to talk with you.
And I’m gone like a ghost.
Derpy made his last post in the neighborhood (asking the mod to remove him) while we were on page five in the main thread. Reread the first five pages again and tell me if his behavior is warranted, thanks.-
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"No town would dare make this terrible of a post while blowing smoke up my ass saying you assume I’m town and trying to get me to talk with you."
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This is present tense, implying that I made post 165 while simultaneously talking to you in the neighborhood. That's false. You are being dishonest and attempting to manipulate town to push my lynch.-
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Neighborhood was over way before 165. Even overconfidant and stubborn town has zero reason for that kind of tampering
VOTE: Derpy Hooves
It also blows up my reasoning for town reading you. I thought your desperation to be a mafia genius was tainting uou play. But this calculated. You're really trying to manipulate the neighborhood case in order to get me lynched!-
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