Mini Normal 1957: The Perfect LUV Game [Endgame]

[Nauci]

HI GUISE

Okay since I'm new to the site and I've gotten confused before on this I'll go ahead and say I already got clarification that everyone having day chat means mafia have day chat this game!

Hi Porkens!

VOTE: Porkens

Apparently I'm joining every game you play...

[Nauci]

for the sake of not ruining the game on day 1, I’m probably just going to ask questions and process information and won’t actually start pushing to lynch my scum reads until day 2. This is unorthodox and some will find it scummy but I’m not really worried about that.

If I didn’t do this, I’d be power lynching xiao fwiw

Why wouldn't you vote pressure every single day?

[Nauci]

I’m just trying my hand at some level 3 shit, dawg.
If you’ll do all that, why not just push lunches you think are scummy? Seems like you’d get more use out of your slot by pressuring and shit with votes.

What do level 3 and level 2 shit mean?

[Nauci]

P.S. don't lunch me I'm odd-night triple dousing even-night igniting 3P town-adjacent neighborhood arson and I promise to only douse scum ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

It's kind of like cop but except the people I cop die in a fire and everyone can see the result

[Nauci]

Town block is animal avatars

Game solved everybody go home now

[Nauci]

I believed that post, Derpy

[Nauci]

First? I’m probably scum tbh

I'm not down with this post, however!

[Nauci]

How much can you comment within your pr?

What does this mean?

[Nauci]

Hi nauci pay attention to whoever votes or unvote me next.

Well nothing's going to happen now that you've said it!

[Nauci]

Nobody has. But you were implying you had some and I was nullifying it. I can’t nullify good content if none has been made. Aka your accusation was bullshit.

This is a silly comment.

Obviously the tone smokescreen would nullify both past and future content.

Dislike!

[Nauci]

Come oooon, Derpy. Let's 1v1 or something! I'm already voting you, so we're halfway there.

Nauci: You gotta get down with tha sickness

Spoiler:

P-Edit: Nauci: I'm basically asking if he's going to be doing that table shit the whole time and if so how much he can make comments within the table.

Doesn't PR mean power role? I don't understand your statement.

[Nauci]

No. Because while you think it’s a good idea now. When we are in page 55 and it’s still day one and I’m arguing with everyone who isn’t voting you. It’s not a good idea. You as scum want this though. Historically nobody gets lynched this way and instead you’ll get town read.

If you get to l-1 I’ll hammer you but I’m not going to disrupt the game just cause I think you are scum.

You're basically tunneling without a vote though

[Nauci]

[quote="In post 120, Xiao Long"][/quote]

Ohhhhh.

Ty for the clarification

I have deleted "wtf this scumfishing doesn't even make sense" from my notes lmao

[Nauci]

I once attempted to play an entire game purely in haiku

it was such a bizarre flavor game I almost convinced them it was mod given

Much fun

Also wtf why did that quote break I didn't edit it at all o_O

P.S. I still have so many more notes about why I think XL is being scummy

VOTE: Xiao Long

[Nauci]

A man after my own heart.

Am woman

[Nauci]

Why did you call that player "stupid"?

I answered that one. You must have missed it.

Was kind of a shit answer though.

[Nauci]

I want more from Chickendee, he’s coasting now

Will you please stop using the wrong genders?

[Nauci]

I'm trying to calm down and not PL XL for being a jerk about genders

But conveniently I don't really have to because I scum read him ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Nauci]

Man, Derpy, you weren't kidding about death tunneling people!

I mean, you're being super stubborn, just without a vote on the table?

I'm not willing to vote Wossi until we have more info; I don't strictly read him as scummy yet.

Besides the shitty cover for XL post, I'm reading Tchill, FL, and Animetrix (shoutouts to Animatrix) as towny.

Wossi as scumish, Wavemode, dunker, and Mumble as scumish, and XL as scummy.

[Nauci]

hello friends
VOTE: Xiao
scummy imo

@fl are you trying something new?

I don't see scum playing out this neighbor gambit... It's *more* likely to result in one of them flipping and making the other look bad? Unless you mean they are both scum *and* neighbors, which seems silly. It gets very very tin foil if you're thinking that they're both scum, both neighbors, and both bussing each other.

Feels like a bunch of smokescreen and cover for actual scum to keep this conversation up.

Reasons I read XL as scummy:

4 - "I'm probably scum tbh" - don't make me WIFOM that; feels like a scum gambit!

Various posts - even/odd number thing feels like bad fluff posting

Various other posts - I don't like this next level play bluffing one bit

80 Not a fan of this sheep vote. Feels like an easy wagon to hop on.

107 Smokescreening himself. Dislike.

113 Why would you vote for wossi and derpy? What made you switch between them?

Thus far I feel like of Derpy, Wossi, and XL, there is one scum, and my money is on XL.

[Nauci]

Derpy does scum have day chat?

Do you not read the thread?

[Nauci]

I'm trying to calm down and not PL XL for being a jerk about genders

But conveniently I don't really have to because I scum read him ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Whatchumean homie, policy lunches are retarded and I wasn’t a jerk hehe
I just don’t look at the gender box

You’re right, your scum read on me is convenient huehue

There's a difference between not paying attention to the pronoun and BEING A JERK WHEN CORRECTED BY 2 PEOPLE

[Nauci]

Wtb Porkens posts

[Nauci]

Y'all think he's neighbor and scum pr? Is that a thing?

[Nauci]

Hey Wossi give us a break down of your reads before you get lunch

[Nauci]

Interesting, but I suppose I can understand this thought process. But, I must ask. Would nervous scum really be trying to put themselves into the conversation and asking for reads, rather than blending in completely?

I just liked your reads of tchill and XL, and your prodding. For example, I really like this post because it sounds like genuine scum hunting. Also your post @ FL.

[Nauci]

I really don't like how Animetrix indirectly asks town to confirm his thoughts in so many of his posts. Like nervous scum trying find reassurance that they're blending in.

I'm not sure if I understand what phenomenon you're referring to?

[Nauci]

Hey Wossi give us a break down of your reads before you get lunch

you’re just standing around while other people do things for you.

I distinctly recall posting a whole case on you earlier but maybe I have dementia

[Nauci]

Nauchos, thoughts on your case on me now that two of your main reasons have been discredited?

If I were Flavor Leaf I'd give you a 1.7 right now.

Which would be up from a .5!

13 7 11 17 23

[Nauci]

I'm just kidding but while your idiosyncrasies are legitimate, they are still annoying fluff posts. You can have a 2 if you'll shut up about numbers. (Those were just odd prime numbers to prod at your OC behavior.)

The interactions are somewhat telling though, I suppose.

UNVOTE: Xiao Long

[Nauci]

HEY MUMBLE COME HANG OUT WITH US THE WATER'S GREAT

VOTE: mumble

Also in that boat: Wavemode, Dunkerdoodles

[Nauci]

Lurking is an epidemic on this site. Town and scum do it. While I’d love to pressure and policy lynch every single lurker, it’s just not feasible.

Now we have plenty of time but the day ends with a wossi lynch. What happens between now and that I don’t really care.

I don't understand the difference between death tunneling with and death tunneling without a vote at this point.

[Nauci]

VOTE: Chickadee

Can you log us some explanations along with your vote grenades or are you going to do this all game?

[Nauci]

I'm not voting XL because he and Derpy are the only ones getting people to post/interact at all for now.

Wossi if I hop in this wagon will you post your damn reads

VOTE: Wossi

[Nauci]

I was lyncher and Wossi was my target

gg guys had fun

8/10 trolling

I audibly exhaled

[Nauci]

I swear I signed up for a 13 player game, but maybe I hallucinated the extra digit?

[Nauci]

Anyways basically... Porkers conf town if Wossi flips scum. I like flavor leafs train of thought on his porkers vote he's prob town. Wossi decided to have more intricate detailed reads after my case on him. He's still scum. Vig still needs to shoot xl if possible.

You need to stop tossing around the term "conf town" so carelessly.

[Nauci]

I personally find that reactions to gambits are the most telling posts that a lot of players make, and they've been effective in at least half the games I've played.

Derpy you could afford to relax a bit.

[Nauci]

The stream of condescending and insulting posts make games a lot less fun for a lot of people. I'm not a fan. It also results in a lot of pages of NAI reactionary bickering posts that don't get us anywhere.

[Nauci]

Derpy and Xiao are so loud and so distracting. Scum is hiding, but not necessarily by not posting. Judging scumminess by activity level is a slippery slope. Town and scum are equally likely to have real life conflicts.

I want to dissect Animetrix and see if I can explain what's making me feel ick about his play....Nauci actually has similar vibes too. Kinda naive and kinda seeking affirmation a bit too much. Animetrix's "Are you sure you want to town read me?" was so bad and then Nauci actually gave him town points for it!. But I need to be on my computer. So tomorrow. But yeah, we need to stop allowing Derpy and Xiao to hog the spotlight

When have I ever sought affirmation? (ಠ_ಠ)

Town and scum are equally likely to be unable to post but only one group actively benefits from lurking. It's ridiculous smokescreening to give lurkers a pass and it makes the game shittier if you don't care about half of the game posting.

It's perfectly valid to ask someone why they read a person as town even if it's themselves. It means not letting scum lazily get away with town reading town for Towny credit and pocketing. Scum and town reads are both suspicious if baseless.

This was a super scummy post!

[Nauci]

for the sake of not ruining the game on day 1, I’m probably just going to ask questions and process information and won’t actually start pushing to lynch my scum reads until day 2. This is unorthodox and some will find it scummy but I’m not really worried about that.

It’s almost like I warned people about me and yet people still wanted to tangle with me

You correctly identified your problem in your disclaimers but didn't go through with your fixes. Knowing is *half* the battle. Please deliver on the other 50% because as it is, you are simultaneously not using your votes to pressure anybody *and* tunneling 2 people and not providing reads on the other 10 people in the game, which is anti town.

Even if we do lynch one of your reads today, there's no reason you shouldn't be prodding at everyone else for information. Half of your contributions involve calling scum hunting tactics bad instead of scum hunting. Maybe if you cared about the integrity of mafia you'd contribute something useful instead? Ffs I read XL as scummy and he's gotten more info out of players this game than you have despite word count.

[Nauci]

derpy hard tunnels town as town therefore derpy and xiao are both town

now lets lynch wossi

I have a dream

That one day

I'll see a dunk post with more than 140 characters

Dunk what are your other reads? What do you think of Porkens and Anime?

[Nauci]

VOTE: Porkens

I’m not going to have much time today or tomorrow, but I will get to this game.

I think Porkens is scum taking advantage for a mislynch on Wossi.

Every post Wossi makes is giving me scummier vibes but I'm still quite paranoid this could be true.

[Nauci]

VOTE: Porkens

I’m not going to have much time today or tomorrow, but I will get to this game.

I think Porkens is scum taking advantage for a mislynch on Wossi.

kinda want to sheep this tbh

I keep not seeing post updates on mobile :/

Missed a whole hammer page because of it once

Wtfff

[Nauci]

What does #5 mean?

Also I like that post. Hmmm.

[Nauci]

I don't think he town read you just because derp tunnelled you. I think he town reads derp because of that.

[Nauci]

VOTE: Porkens

I've seen you scum hunt a lot more than this, Bacons!

[Nauci]

Sorry I multi post because it's 100000000x easier than multi quote posts when on mobile, and I'm mostly on mobile this week in bed with a 102 fever.

[Nauci]

Also... XL wasn't joking with the fake hammer? It was Wossi bait? Like the whole argument was because Derpy shat on that gambit and didn't take it seriously?

P.S. That RVS post was straight up awful WIFOM baiting bs, XL. It's bad play regardless of your alignment and both makes you suspicious and wastes town time with stupid WIFOM posting. It's only downhill from there.

Pedit: I think he was saying he town reads you (for whatever reason), and also town reads Derpy for tunneling on you.

Also he was referring to Derpy's call to vig you that was like, in the last page.

Wossi I post exactly why I scum read your posts... You haven't shown evidence of either Anime or I seeking affirmation it's a shitty claim and your defense of lurking is scummy af. Idgaf how you read me, only *why.*

LG: why do you think fake hammer bait is indicative of anxiety?

[Nauci]

I'm beginning to feel like XL is low hanging fruit.

[Nauci]

I'm not using durr to discredit, I'm using it to show how people are just mindlessly agreeing with it instead of doing their own work.

Then we're back to attacking the people who agree with the argument rather than the argument itself. At this point, you've tacitly admitted that you agree with my argument except you know you're town. See below.

As I said when I cast the vote, Derpy will refuse to join it despite not retracting his read of you. He'll gradually distance and attempt to use his "I don't vote Day One" strategy to survive tomorrow or revise his read of you if you don't get lynched. Derpy's even admitting to backing off as predicted.

Then vote Derpy?

I prefer to lynch you first. For reasons why:

Ah so the difference between my read of his motivations and yours is that you "know you're town". Please.

Sure

Any questions?

Can you simplify this, cause it doesn't make any sense at all to me.

Let's try it this way. The scum's fear of being exposed as scum (losing information advantage) is a greater loss than the town's fear of being incorrectly identified as scum. This is the basic axiom from which all theory is derived. From this we can derive, among other things, that scum have a vested interest in brief days. Any lynch is superior to their own, they control information, burn a day, etcetera. If you're town, opening the possibility of a hammer would require you to believe that all the scum are already on that wagon or that the target is scum. Would you like to present longform argument that you believed one of these two things? If so, please explain the Wossi-Derpy team. If not, making a gambit of it risks a day to gain information. This is obviously not an efficient trade for the town. This is why it's called anti-town behavior. This is why you always wagon it.

Man you are really missing the point of a fake hammer gimmick it's actually painful to read

[Nauci]

If the whole point was to evoke some kind of "gotcha" moment with me, why would you do it when I was offline? I'm either actively reading, refreshing, and posting or not at all. You did your gambit while I was asleep and got everyone's reaction but mine. Why?

It's a forum, not live chat. If Derpy hadn't immediately post we could have waited for your reaction. What is this argument even?

[Nauci]

If the whole point was to evoke some kind of "gotcha" moment with me, why would you do it when I was offline? I'm either actively reading, refreshing, and posting or not at all. You did your gambit while I was asleep and got everyone's reaction but mine. Why?

I didn't know you were offline, I never check online status. I didn't really get anyone's reactions though because of Derpy doing what he did. If I did get some reactions from other people, that would have still been worth it. But now because of Derpy it ended up giving me pretty much nothing.

Not nothing. I gave it a 20% chance Derpy leaped in to make sure his co-scum didn't fall for the gambit. That's... Like 1/50th a crumb's worth of info.

[Nauci]

@leaf, Porkens, chickadee, dunk, wave, mumble, anime:

What are your thoughts on silly gambits?

[Nauci]

Why didn't you hammer Wossi?

[Nauci]

I feel like 2 of our lurkers who have passively sheeped onto the 2 wagons are scummy af.

IGMEOU, Chickadee and Mumble.

[Nauci]

I suppose if I'm going to FOS them I might as well VOTE: chickadee

[Nauci]

@leaf, Porkens, chickadee, dunk, wave, mumble, anime:

What are your thoughts on silly gambits?

I'm not a fan of gambits. They introduce WIFOM, they're easy for scum to hide behind, and town ends up talking about them a lot instead of focusing on other things.

I feel like 2 of our lurkers who have passively sheeped onto the 2 wagons are scummy af.

IGMEOU, Chickadee and Mumble.

Is one of those wagons XL, because pretty sure I was one of the first to vote for him. Just saying.

You said it yourself though; it was a joke vote at the time.

[Nauci]

Are we waiting for him to post again before we lynch?

[Nauci]

So who's ready for the day to be over?

[Nauci]

Wossi's page 21 posts have earned him not only my "man your posts are scummy" vote but also my OMGUS vote. Damn that's some shitty reads and reasoning.

[Nauci]

@people who town read Wossi, can you explain why?

[Nauci]

VOTE: mumble

[Nauci]

Nauci run me through why you aren't voting for Wossi if you need that explained. The coordinated move of both Nauci and XL to Mumble makes me think I may have been wrong about Derpy.

It's been firmly established that lots of people want to vote Wossi and I'm pretty sure we can push that wagon through at any time so I'm using my vote to pressure people who haven't given us any content yet. Seems to have gotten a couple of posts out of Chickadee (which weren't particularly telling or high effort... IGMEOU), so Mumble next! You'll see that I did the same thing earlier, though it wasn't working so I moved my vote.

Seeing as how Mumble is entirely AFK and needs a prod, I can use my vote elsewhere!

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

P.S. I asked about the day being over yet because I want Derpy to vote already damnit.

P.P.S. The only hesitation I have on Wossi right now is that I'm slightly suspicious of Dunk but this is also kind of typical Dunk posting I suppose.

P.P.P.S. Wavemode can you explain anything (preferably everything) you've done this game?

[Nauci]

P.P.P.S. Wavemode can you explain anything (preferably everything) you've done this game?

Can I ask you a hypothetical

What if you got a PM from the mod right now confirming Wossi as town

Who's in your lynch pool then

Current reads, towniest to scumiest:

-Nauci

-Anime
-Tchill
-FL
-derpy

-Mumble
-Gurgi
-Wave
-XL

-derpy
-chickadee
-dunk
-porkens

-wossi

IF Wossi is actually confirmed town, my reads would be, towniest to scumiest:

-Nauci
-Wossi

-Anime

-FL
-XL
-tchill
-wave
-gurgi
-mumble

-derpy
-porkens
-dunk
-chickadee

I think?

[Nauci]

Wait no I'd move tchill down a notch too.

[Nauci]

I believe based on people's reads right now there are 2 in favor of lynching mumble and 3 for Chickadee? Any more support for these?

I'll excuse Mumble as NAI AFK but Chickadee's lack of posting and sheeping smells scummy to me.

[Nauci]

I think Nauci is town. Green

No don't say that I'll get NK'ed!

[Nauci]

-derpy
-porkens
-dunk
-chickadee

this is my townblock.

wat

[Nauci]

I'd say that the biggest issue is that so many of your posts lack substance.

Outside of RVS...

These posts are self defending or sheeping or fluff: 154 511 [post]337 186 540 546 587 597 599

I mean you're not the most guilty of it but unlike mumble I know you're reading the thread while not posting.

[Nauci]

I think that there are 50 kinds of posts Chickadee could be making to get a town read from me because for whatever reason I don't want to read her as scum but I'm just not liking the posts.

[Nauci]

Honestly, it can be hard for me to get invested D1. You say there are tons of things I could be doing, but I'm playing to the best of my current ability. I think we can agree I'm most likely not the lynch today, so I hope with time you warm up to my playing.

But seriously, post count is NAI.
Not being memorable and sheeping are things I have to work on. And really, there's quite a few things I've wanted to comment on, but upon coming and catching up people have already put down my thoughts. So then I just don't, because I'm already getting scum read for sheeping. So I feel kind of damned-if-I-do and damned-if-I-don't.

I'm okay with this.

[Nauci]

lets lynch wossi.

someone shoot XL and lets lynch wossi.

Like even if you are town and think he’s scum, why wouldn’t you continue talking to him and use it to your advantage? This is the biggest problem I have with Derpys neighborhood argument, none of his decisions actually make sense from a strategic viewpoint.

Why would I want to talk to scum? I’d rather lynch him.

Also wtf, why would you ask the mod to remove you, Derpy? That’s one of the dumbest things I’ve heard.

Why would I want to be in a forum with someone i think is scum and I’m not going to communicate with?

Like even if you are town and think he’s scum, why wouldn’t you continue talking to him and use it to your advantage? This is the biggest problem I have with Derpys neighborhood argument, none of his decisions actually make sense from a strategic viewpoint.

Why would I want to talk to scum? I’d rather lynch him.

Because it could provide information useful for town? Because he could fuck up and name his buddy? Because it has zero benefit for town to leave the thread?

You don’t even believe me when I recap exactly what happened in the Hood. To talk with him in the Hood I’d have to

1. Lie and pretend I think he’s town - can’t do that
2. Engage in enough conversation and hope he slips something- small chance imo
3. Convince town it actually happened and get them to listen to me. - unlikely to happen since he’s confirmed scum now and isn’t lynched.

No, intention is clear. You slipped and now your backtracking. You implied there was action in the thread when thee was none.

No I didn’t. The moment you voted me I knew you were lying in the Hood. 165 wasn’t why I shut the Hood down. 165 was why I knew 100% you were scum though.

How bad do you want to 1 v 1 this? Cause I’m willing to go off the cliff to prove I’m town and get you lynched. You ready for that?

This game devolved from fun to not so much rather quickly, damn.

Tchill - we're well aware of who you want dead. Care to contribute posts with even the slightest bit of actually useful information? Because the more you cruise this path the less I town read you.

Derpy - Jesus Christ you're bad. Holy shit. Even if you think your partner is scum you use the neighborhood to extract information and slips. I honestly don't understand why you can't understand any town tools just because you think the chances of catching scum are slim. The chances of catching scum are *always* slim, and chatting up a scum partner usually means getting a list of their FOS who are less likely to be scum.

However, I don't think shutting down the neighborhood was a scum move by Derpy. If he so badly wanted to avoid posting and lying as scum in order to not slip up, he probably wouldn't have made what feels like 10,000 town posts in the main thread! I think he's quite genuinely a frustratingly annoying town who keeps foiling town tools and tunneling like mad. The exact situation from his disclaimer played out - we've got 10+ pages of wasted posts keeping us from proper sussing out scum because everybody loves arguing with or about derpy, and all the rest of the scum can lurk their way to D2+ without arousing much suspicion.

Wossi - I didn't scum read you for the stupid neighborhood shit. I scum read you because of your crappy pushes on anime, shitty defenses, tone, and grasping for straws shit like the 3 pages of my life I'll never get back because you're trying to get a derpy counter train going based on tense usage. The only thing derpy has managed to contribute is accidentally pushing you to make shitty posts with his tunneling.

XL - I'm leaning Towny on him because he has asked legitimate questions and prodded a lot of people and it's created information for reads.

Gurgi - I like the amount of effort in some of your posts but not your reasoning. At some point my view of you transitioned into pushes-weird-theories-really-hard though.

Tchill, if Wossi flips town who would you FOS? Also your Wossi FOS was fucking weak.

Anime - You say you don't like any XL posts; which ones do you particularly dislike?

Dunk/Chickadee/Wave/Gurgi - who are your town reads?

Tea - can you post another table with explanations? I was quite liking those!

[Nauci]

Fuck the multi quotes were an accident I tried to delete them wtfff sorry for wall spam

[Nauci]

That just makes it sound to me like you’re ok lynching anyone as long as it’s town.

where the fuck did I say "as long as it's town"

This game is no longer fun because of the fighting. I'm not the only one to hold this view. Stop putting words in my mouth.

I mean I think the implication he's making is that the post makes it sound like you're scum who'd be happy with either lunch knowing they're both town.

[Nauci]

I think Wossi's posts from today made me extra suspicious of him to the point of confidence.

VOTE: wossi

However on the slight chance that he's town I'll be FOSing Tchill harder than I expected for that weak ass case.

[Nauci]

Bonus points if we get the same scum dunking rate!

[Nauci]

For the most part they're 30 quite enjoyable pages!

Wossi, I've already clearly stated why I think the reasons you're using to push Anime are bad. I particularly like that he doesn't let people just lazy town read him: that's a Scum thing to do for town cred because they know who town are. Scum often forget to come up with a valid reason to town read someone when trying to get that sweet sweet cred. You've also failed to present a case about him fishing for approval. Basically I think you're FOSing one person for towntells, and another one who's gunning for your throat with a verb tense choice (shit if you were using a better case for the 50 reasons derpy has done anti town things instead, I'd be less suspicious of you).

At this point you're asking me to tell you what you're doing scummy instead of trying to demonstrate why your read logic was any good. Why would scum ask someone to explain why they're reading a town as town? Thus far your cases have felt like feeble attempts to keep town on the lunch table and point at a viable but not most obvious counter wagon to yourself.

Welcome Davesaz!!!

So who else do I suspect... Hmmm...

Currently moving chickadee to null, anime to null Porkens to town, and Gurgi to scumish. Excited to hear more from dunk, Dave, and tea.

Tchill, who do you think his partners are?

[Nauci]

Hey y'all, you know what the cool kids are doing these days? I hear they're all answering my questions!

I know y'all are a bunch of cool kids too, ain'tchya?

[Nauci]

Nauci, how do you know there are more then two scum?

I assumed in a normal game of 13 people 3 scum is typical?

[Nauci]

Anime still dumb enough to want to lynch me. Shocker.

This is such a useless, inflammatory, baseless OMGUS post you can do better than this shit

[Nauci]

XL, Ias far as I'm concerned it is you v. Wossi today. I don't think my side loses that fight either way.

oddly scummy post

"my side" could be scum!

[Nauci]

Porkens if I had a dollar for every scum I dunked for making frivolous cases on me

Well

I'd hope to have at least $2 after this game

[Nauci]

Nauci can you explain your read on me?

Not really. Hunch, I guess? Besides my earlier comment that you liked to push tin foil theories which felt less useful.

Nauci, how do you know there are more then two scum?

I assumed in a normal game of 13 people 3 scum is typical?

VOTE: Nauci

Why is that vote worthy?

Why would you assume there's three scum sharing a faction? No where on the wiki or in this games rules does it have any kind of number or indication.

i'm frustrated because I'm the only one scum reading her and the majority of town is content to sheep/just wants the day to end and I'm feel like I'm going down with a sinking ship.

First off, I actually just thought a 3 scum faction (with or without an SK) was normal for a 13 man game. Second, this posts read to me more like "HOW DID YOU KNOW WE HAVE 3 SCUM" instead of "HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE SETUP IS." Obviously I could be biased but still, that's my gut read of it.

People need to stop letting Nauci coast. If they only way I'm gonna get taken seriously on this one is getting lynched and flipping green, so be it.

Nauci isn't coasting.

VOTE: wossi

XML, if you are town, I can't imagine you have a problem lynching wossi today.

Nobody is challenging her. Nobody is pushing her. She's doing scummy things and every one can't stop talking in circles over Derpy, Xiao Long, and myself. Thirty pages and only three players have been put under the microscope. There's no excuse for this. I can't believe I'm seeing multiple players saying they wish the day would just end when we still have eight irl days of game play lefts and a replacement who hasn't even caught up yet.

Pretty sure I pressured Chickadee and Porkens and XL and Dunk and tried to pressure Mumble lmao

anime to null

Interesting, what brought upon this change?

Not enough posting. Like, I gave you town cred because your posting seemed like it was going to be very useful, but then you kind of didn't post nearly as much or have nearly as much impact as I had hoped.

It just looks to me like scum trying to get guidance from a buddy

I think this is a faked reaction because I (and I'm pretty sure someone else as well) declared that there's definitely a day scum chat, and someone even quoted me on it IIRC.

[Nauci]

Pretty sure I'm like the least coasty player in this game lmao.

[Nauci]

Can you stop whining like a bratty child? It's such a waste of everyone's time and is what's mucking up an otherwise quite good game. The only sources of shit posts are your tantrums and the people interacting with them.

XL: would Wossi flipping town or scum change your reads on other people? How?

[Nauci]

Are you allowed to sleep with people you're playing mafia with? Are you allowed to play mafia with people you're sleeping with?

I think this is normal dunk.

[Nauci]

Not enough posting. Like, I gave you town cred because your posting seemed like it was going to be very useful, but then you kind of didn't post nearly as much or have nearly as much impact as I had hoped.

Well this is an awful post. How does me posting = me being indicative of my alignment? I just happen to log on one time a day, so that automatically makes me less town? I don't understand what you mean by impact as well.

It's not that I scum read you. It's more like I was town reading you because your posts showed you have a play style that would mean really good questions and engagement draw from others. I thought you'd have great potential to do that. But the hopes and expectations town read had a cool down and waned because the engagement and activity I'd thought you'd go on to extract from other players didn't really come to fruition. I want to see you ask alignment pulling questions of others that you asked of me. So null until then.

[Nauci]

My compelling argument is all of dunker's posts are basically prodges

This can die

VOTE: Dunkerdoodles

I feel like both of you have roughly the same number of useful/hunting posts.

You have tons of filler posts.

Do you have any updates to your last read list after mumble replacement?

Guys, I feel like tchill and I are pretty unwavering on Wossi FOS. Is anyone who's on the fence about people reading him as scummy? I'm not sure if the XL voters are any more malleable. Hmmm.

People who town read Wossi: help me see why?

[Nauci]

God Wossi I keep trying to read you as not scummy and you keep posting scummier.

It's like you want to die or something. Every case you push either has bad logic or bad premises but you don't back down on them.

It's honestly comical to accuse me of coasting and derpy of being under the radar.

Chickadee you are spot on about tchill. He's been resting on his laurels for 20 pages.

[Nauci]

the bias against me is strong

I don’t what to argue with you anymore but when you say something factually untrue and not just me but somebody else corrects you. That isn’t bias. Maybe you are biased?

Against myself? At this point I don't even know anymore. I make points and observations that I think are valid, and people jump on me. Usually the same people. Usually Derpy and Nauci. Pay attention to when Nauci started scum reading me (hint: directly after I scum read her). Like I've come to the conclusion that, yes, I'm a noob, yes, I've made weak pushes. But I've made good ones too. And everything is getting washed over with "no, shut up, you're scum, lynch wossi." And whoever's town in the Anti-Wossi party is completely oblivious to scum trying to take advantage of the negative town opinion on me. Negative town opinion that frankly all started with Derpy.

I never called Derpy himself under the radar. That's stupid, he's obviously not. I just don't like how he was so extreme and then backed down from it once he got a negative reaction from the town. Maybe I'm failing at the argument but I don't think it's town-indicative for someone like him.

And by coasting, I didn't mean posting fluff like Tchill or Dunk. That's not coasting. Look how much everyone is noticing their lack of contribution. They're not flying under the radar like that for very long. Nauci and Anime are going through the actions of scum hunting, but not actually doing much or getting any results, nor are people really reacting to them or pressuring them. It's a free ride. Nauci keeps saying she's pressuring people but looking back over the thread I'm not seeing. Nauci, maybe quote some of your greatest hits, your best scumhunting moments from this game. Show me your not coasting. Actions, not words.

Oh and one more thing. Nauci, you've been trying to read me as town? Hah.

Can't tell if you lack reading comprehension abilities or if you're just not reading.

1: I pushed XL hard. He made a thorough response to a lot of my accusations and has made interesting contributions since.
2: I pushed Chickadee, Porkens, and you!
3: I tried to push mumble but he was just AFK

And I've constantly questioned other people and answered questions. Like, are you daft?

I've asked repeatedly why people town read you so I can curb my tunneling but these weak ass grasping for straws cases in the people scum reading you make you look so scummy. I didn't scum read you for your neighborhood stuff, I scum read you because of all of the reactions derpy and others have extracted from you.

Derpy very transparently backed down temporarily because he thought your confusion on the scum setup was town telling, but I think it wasn't. I think it was repeatedly established that mafia have day chat and that 3 scum is standard and you didn't call out the other people who made the same assumption, you called me out because you're desperate to build a case against me. I think it came from a position of "how do you know there's 3 of us" instead of "how do you know there's 3?"

I just don't like how he was so extreme and then backed down from it once he got a negative reaction from the town.

I didn't back off because of a negative reaction though.

Why did you back down? Don't say because I didn't know the scum set up, because you dropped it before then. The way it looks to me, you threatened to quit if I wasn't lynched, that tactic didn't get the result you wanted, and then you switched up your play.

Nauci, what do you think about Lord Gurgi wanting to start a wagon on you?

Yeah I don't care about anyone trying to start a wagon on me. I can see why people would want to push me but I don't think I need to concern myself with trying to look Towny by any means other than playing.

I mean if Wossi is going to be so bad at reading this thread I both want to lunch him for being scum and PL him because I refuse to let this guy get anywhere near lylo.

[Nauci]

Nauci, you mentioned reactions that Derpy and others extracted from me? Please be more specific and detailed. You're so vague about everything. It's easy to say, oh yeah, I pressured this person, I withdrew information from that person, but you don't have anything backing it up.

That's why I wanted you to pull up some quotes. Give me tangible examples of you putting in work. The fact that you didn't is telling....

There's so many minor inconsistencies in your postings that it just makes the whole thing feel dishonest. Like, you say you can see why people would want to push you but up until now you've been claiming to be the least coasty-est, most proactive, best scum hunter in the town?

Read my fucking posts because I've given tons of specific answers.

Obviously I should be pushed: everyone should be pushed.

[Nauci]

So who do you read as scummy?

[Nauci]

Oh my god

Tchill made posts that don't just say "lynch wossi kthxbai"

It's a Christmas miracle boys and girls

[Nauci]

I'm also firmly on the Wossi wagon. Have been for a while. I also called for the bolded a while back. No one really came to that defense that I recall.






I'm pretty neutral on Dave's catch up so far. He's reading and getting the highlights, but he's still in the catch up process, so I'll wait for further thoughts.

I'm a little unnerved by people saying Dunker's posts are basically prodges but every time tchill posts people say something like "anything more to contribute?" Because tchill's posts are literally prod dodges.

Can you explain why you are firm on Wossi? Like, in your own words?

[Nauci]

People who scumread Anime: help me read what you're reading?

[Nauci]

I haven't played scum since my 2nd game of mafia ever (and I got myself dunked day 2) but boy I wish my scum game were anywhere on this level

[Nauci]

XL: do you always use nicknames for everyone? Like, in every single game?

[Nauci]

nauci could be town driving the game or scum in plain sight. not sure yet.

This

XL: do you always use nicknames for everyone? Like, in every single game?

Here we see Nauci laying on the pressure and asking those critical questions needed to catch scum.



Honestly, though, at this point I don't even mind being lynched. It's probably the most productive thing I can do for town, as everything I say now is tainted by the universal scum read on me. (even though I have yet to be impressed by anyone's case on me), After I'm confirmed town hopefully people will be able to work out who were the scum driving the mislynch and who were the sheepish town getting misled. I don't think it should be that hard to spot.

I saw somewhere about using nicknames to obfuscate because it makes the thread/game a lot harder to search so I thought I'd get that out of the way, actually.

[Nauci]

But you backed off and stopped threatening extreme actions before I said anything about 3 scum?

Yes I stopped threatening extreme actions before your 3 scum thing.

I didn’t stop pushing your lynch though.

Post 721 - is when I threatened to replace out
Post 725 - I tell Lord that I’m going to do the right thing and not ruin games.
Post 726 - I say pick one of us
Post 729 - I say it’s one of us
Post 733 - you can tell I still scum read you. I just say I’m not going to let you bait me into killing myself.
Post 740 - tells dunker to lynch one of us

Post 835 - you mentioned the 3 scum thing
Post 853 - is when I start trying to process of your 3 scum thing was a legit noob slip or not
And you know the rest cause you quoted it.

So I didn’t change my read on you BEFORE the 3 scum thing.

Nice try though.

If this was your "proving me wrong" I ignored it because I'm tired of you and your tactics, frankly.

I DIDN'T find it scummy that your read on me changed.

I DID found it scummy that you changed your tactics after the majority of the town reacted negatively to them. From hardcore LYNCH WOSSI NO OTHER OPTIONS and then all of a sudden in 754 you're poking at Tchill for not voting Xiao Long? Where did that even come from? That's whats threw me off. That happened before my comment to Nauci and before your read on me openly changed. But it's still an weird weird shift.

If you're arguing against a different argument then the one being made, you can win any time. And if your goal with that tactic is to frustrate me and muddy the waters, you succeed. But that doesn't make you town

I feel like we established already that there is more than one scum.

The game doesn't just end when we lynch you lmao

Don't fuck with the ONE time derpy stopped tunneling

[Nauci]

I have no interest in lynching xl today.

[Nauci]

There's 4 votes on Wossi right now. My guess is scum aren't hard bussing yet, because of interest in other wagons.

There's 5 days left. Those of you not voting Wossi, please give us compelling reasons why. At what point are you willing to consolidate? If you're not, are you saying a no lynch is better than a flip that would give us a lot of info?


Pedit: I agree with Derpy here. ^^^

obviously no lynch isnt better, why are you even suggesting that?

Yeah you need to work on your reading comprehension skills.

[Nauci]

Look how eagerly they pile on me.

You literally post this right after 2 posts saying it stalled lmao

[Nauci]

Scum also has a lot to gain by trying to cement this "it has to be Wossi or it has to be Xiao Long, no other options!" idea because I'm pretty sure we're both town.

Take note now how vehemently Chickadee opposed lynching Nauci

1: I prodded XL about his numbers aversion, use of nicknames, bullshit level X play stuff, and WIFOM AF statement and got answers

2: I pressed chickadee to explain her lazy sheep votes and got answers

3: I prodded tchill for making nothing but "vote Wossi" posts and he made other contributions

4: I prodded derpy about his lame disclaimer and he further explained that

5: I prodded you for examples of anime trying to fish for agreement and you didn't

One of these things is not like the other HMMMMM

[Nauci]

Also chickadee was just saying it's totally unrealistic to expect me to get lynch numbers of votes today

Doesn't seem like there's going to be any information to go on about me until you flip, at least!

[Nauci]

i'm on who i want to be lynched, but idrc who anymore and i'll switch whenever i feel like it

this is nasty af.

Would have been less nasty if he'd switched his vote with the comment, imo, but, alas.

[Nauci]

Dave, Gurgi, Anime, Dunk: you're all okay with how much Wossi inaccurately portrays what people have said? Are you saying he hasn't been doing that, or that you don't scum read what he does?

[Nauci]

VOTE: tchill

This gives me vibes that XL is willing to vote anywhere but his counter wagon, which feels like he's avoiding having a survival vote discussion and looking scummy.

If you're going to vote tchill you should post a case.

[Nauci]

Dave, Gurgi, Anime, Dunk: you're all okay with how much Wossi inaccurately portrays what people have said? Are you saying he hasn't been doing that, or that you don't scum read what he does?

I've clearly said I've scumread Wossi, so I don't get what you're trying to say. He's just last on my preference for today. Xiao and Dunkerdoodles are both higher.

Mostly I forgot everyone's reasons for not having moved over.

Can you give me your case on XL?

[Nauci]

I feel like derp and tchill are the most town read people in the game and they're not going to change posting styles due to votes from a scum read player, dude.

On an unrelated note

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

PAGING FLAVOR LEAF TO THE THREAD

BUILD THAT WALL
BUILD THAT WALL
BUILD THAT WALL

[Nauci]

I basically think that XL posts have been more weird than scummy, making him lynch bait, while I actively read Wossi's posts as scummy.

But since people are stuck and not voting for some stupid reason and we've got 4 days left I'm going to get all Spanish Inquisition on his potential scummates.

I think it's ridiculously stupid to accuse me of tunneling Wossi since I've pushed at least 3 people this game until I was satisfied enough with their answers to stop. But hey I'll get on a PC later and do a wall of quotes for Wossi since apparently rereading existing stuff is somehow too hard.

[Nauci]

I thought tunneling meant that I *only* focus on one player?

I'd focused on XL and you (and briefly Porkens) before Wossi shitpost enough for me to really think he's scum, and I'm continuing to prod at other people.

[Nauci]

I mean the only other scum read I was hard pushing was XL but I've definitely been pressuring other people to contribute AI posts.

Sadly that doesn't work on dunk or AFK players.

[Nauci]

My favorite part is the more I begin to actually contribute the more naked votes I get.Interesting .

Where did you contribute?

Hissssss

[Nauci]

<Content>

...purrr?

I regret starting this theme of posting.

[Nauci]

VOTE: Wossi

[Nauci]

The last time I was scum reading someone this hard I dunked 2 scum and Porkens can attest to this.

I'd like to get a hat trick.

[Nauci]

Lol I've not seen Dunk not get scumread yet

[Nauci]

Hey guys I'm LA because I have mono

Also holy crap I survived the night

[Nauci]

Xiao is locktown.

Explain

Not one person has given me a reason why Xiao is town, yet people keep townreading him. I'm trying to find a way to see any possible way he can be town, but I just don't see it.

I had him as not-interested-in-lynching because he provoked interesting responses to read from everyone else more than all of the bads, lol. We had 3 people tunneling Wossi, Gurgi saying weird shit, and a bunch of people with basically no interactions. XL was doing more scum hunting than anyone else on day 1 even if he actually is scum.

why is flavor in lynch? he was against wossi.

Being against a Wossi lynch doesn't mean shit? Like, scum wouldn't all hop onto the first mislynch, it'd be suspicious as hell. Scum often try to avoid voting the mislynch since they know it'll flip town.

• -There's the Porkens we all know and love. Thanks for the contributions!

• -Not liking Derpy. Inb4 BUT YOU ALSO VOTED WOSSI: I voted Wossi based on a whole lot of factors I previously list, which have absolutely nothing to do with the crappy reasons that Derpy and Tchill were pushing.

• -Dislike Gurgi posts. Mostly a gut scum read for now.

• -Really really disliked Tchill's Day 1. Tunneled onto one person and really didn't make much of a case. Very nearly no other scum hunting efforts.

• -Null on chickadee, XL, Flavor, dave

XL: How do you feel about Derpy's play?

Dave: Can you A: catch up with the thread, and B: contribute active reads on people besides catch up hot takes?

FL: Why'd you drop your gimmick completely already?

Derpy: Stop being a defensive little shit and contribute non shitposts, thanks. We really don't need another conversation about your tunneling.

WTB more than 4 active posters (I know I'm contributing to the problem I'm sorry).

Mmmk back to sleep; toodles.

[Nauci]

Dunk being terse and weird is just Dunk being Dunk. I haven't seen anything AI from him.

I think people willing to wagon him could be scum going for low hanging fruit.

Looking at you, Anime.

[Nauci]

Should be, yes.

But that's in theory, not in practice.

[Nauci]

I was really hoping xl would have died in the night phase. Oh well.

“I didn’t intentionally didn’t NK Xiao because everyone knows how I kept calling for him to be shot. People now will think I’m town because I didn’t kill the person I obviously want dead.”

Did I translate wrong? Sorry for bad Englando

This is an awful post. Wow. Like do I actually need to go into why this is so dumb?

Most confused by dunker and anime. I'd like to call anime town but something feels off. Like he's just giving go with the flow towny reads. I've consistently scum read dunker for what he's doing rn and he's flipped town most if not all the time.

This.

VOTE: dunkers

this wagon should happen.

Why not start with Tchill?

are you not reading my posts? I have already explained that I think he is townier than 3 of the people in YOUR proposed town block aka I am not scum reading tchill.

I am scum reading dunkers/gurgi/chick with dave/flavor as outliers but more towards null.

No, I stopped reading your posts.

I am not scumreading gurgi or chick at all right now.

Porkens, not gonna lie, I respect your ability to flip over stones a lot more than your ability to read what falls out!

HI GUISE

Okay since I'm new to the site and I've gotten confused before on this I'll go ahead and say I already got clarification that everyone having day chat means mafia have day chat this game!

Hi Porkens!

VOTE: Porkens

Apparently I'm joining every game you play...

P.S. don't lunch me I'm odd-night triple dousing even-night igniting 3P town-adjacent neighborhood arson and I promise to only douse scum ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

It's kind of like cop but except the people I cop die in a fire and everyone can see the result

Well, who did you douse last night?

I isoed you. I think ik what it is. Since you've caught scum be a delight and tell us all what exactly it was and how you did it? I mean that shouldn't be too much trouble. I dang sure ain't pointing out a post just so you can say yeah that's it because it sounds good.

IIAM ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

-Derpy, stop being such an asshole. It seriously muddies the waters when people just get angry at each other and makes it *way* harder to read town, because indignation looks scummy. It also makes people not want to read the game. If you want to be a better player, start with this.

-Tchill, how did you miss the almost a full page of posts from Porkens analyzing you?

-I'm withholding reads until we get more posts from Dave and Flavor.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[Nauci]

I don't know if I necessarily disagree with anything (though I have a gut scum read on Gurgi). I am just not particularly confident in your reads, if that makes sense. I'm a lot more confident in the fact that you will continue to shake some trees and I'll be able to see what falls out.

[Nauci]

I currently worry about having blind spots for nice people (e.g. I want to townread chickadee because she's posting nicely, not because she's town telling) and bias against jerk posters, so I'm trying to shake that.

[Nauci]

Ahhh so you are casting doubt on my reads for no reason, I see

I think it's a great idea to lynch the jerks first!

This is why Pie wins as scum!

[Nauci]

XL is no longer making useful posts.

Still, I wait on our lurkers.

[Nauci]

Dave, Gurgi, Anime, Dunk: you're all okay with how much Wossi inaccurately portrays what people have said? Are you saying he hasn't been doing that, or that you don't scum read what he does?

Nah, I just wanted to have a VC before moving, for proper analysis no matter which way it goes.
I was ok with where my vote was, but this is better and

time is relatively short

.

VOTE: Wossi

Bolded the reason for my vote.
I'm pretty sure there are more people who haven't played with me than have in this game, but it's pretty well known that I'm fundamentally clueless with D1 reads, but universally on the side of making wagons and compromising on lynches to avoid NL. At that point in the game the best use of my vote was to use it on leading wagon.

Really didn't like this post. No particular pushes on you for your vote IMO, but you came out with the preemptive defense like you're scum knowing you'd need to be able to explain away why your vote is Towny. Major FOS.

That’s why I hate meta. If somebody is scummy they are scummy. I don’t care if they have a history of playing scummy.

If someone always looks like scum to people it's something you have to account for, so you don't constantly mislynch town.

Dunk always posts sparingly and vote hops in the games I've seen him. I never found it alignment indicative but he's always been super easy lynch bait that scum take advantage of.

It's not that complicated. I'm not even saying don't lynch him. I'm saying don't tunnel him to death for lynchbait posts, and take this factor into account.

[Nauci]

I feel like if a player keeps getting mislynched, he’d probably want to change at some point. But that’s just me. I don’t believe in meta so I don’t care how he’s played other games.

Sure, he should definitely improve his play, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't factor it in.

It's pretty bs to not believe in meta since you've spent the whole game talking about your history of tunneling and not being able to stop yourself from that sort of bad play.

Chickadee, I need you to give an in depth explanation of your vote on Wossi, and how the flip affects your opinion of Derpy and Tchill.

[Nauci]

My Comcast is borked too :<

Verizon is ultra spotty in my apt so I hope they fix it soon.

I'm pretty lost in terms of reads right now.

[Nauci]

My biggest FOS is Dave.

[Nauci]

I don't like animes defensiveness.

[Nauci]

I don't like animes defensiveness.

That's fine. What don't you like about it? If someone claims to have a scumread on me, and it isn't valid. I will attack it. I know myself more than I know anyone else. I also know I'm town. So if I assume that someone is making a false read based on false pretenses, then I will engage them. It's easier than trying to tell if others are faking reads about other people.

OK you can be in my town camp.

Currently I have a bad gut feeling about Tchill, Derpy, and Porkens, but I honestly can't put it into words. I think for Tchill and Derpy it's more paranoia that they can get away with way too much if they're somehow scum, as opposed to actually scum reading them.

Dave, Chickadee, and Flavor, what are your reads?

VOTE: Dave

[Nauci]

(Bad feeling about Porkens is because of his quick flip on Tchill.)

[Nauci]

Have many thoughts but literally falling asleep mid typing so I'll post in depth at sleep

Highly suspicious of chickadee's "I wrote an effort post I swear" bit.

Change my mind about giving anime town credit for his answer about being defensive. He wasn't attacking bad cases from people to make case against them, he was just repeatedly trying to defuse cases against himself.

Can't remember a Gurgi post that was useful instead of tin foil hat or scolding people for speculating and whatever

Okay I fell asleep before I remembered what else I had see y'all in some hours

[Nauci]

God damn dude I'm trying to catch up and every post from derpy is somehow increasingly irritating and useless catfighting.

[Nauci]

VOTE: Lord Gurgi for a total lack of useful contributions to the game thus far, despite proving fully capable of in depth posting in day 1 (too bad it was wasted on a tin foil theory).

[Nauci]

The other pool of people I am FOSing but not willing to vote yet are Chickadee, Tchill, Dave, Anime.

Porkens is playing exactly like he did in my game with him where we dunked the shit out of scum together, flipping over every rock in sight and confusing people by being "all over the place" aka pushing every person, which I feel is weird because that feels very towny!

None of the things he has said have been particularly useless noise (unlike a certain noble in this game).

Dunker is null. Derpy is towny.

I'm still shocked Wossi was town lmao.

I want FL walls back.

XL went dark today after some decent pushing on day 1. I hate this.

Tchill you can't just naked vote XL buddy it's been a whole day of new information you'll have to give us why you want to default back to the easy wagon.

Derpy you have got to stop doing such hard stances on people and then not listening to anybody.

Anime want to make some pushes instead of defense?

Chick can we get a tl;dr of this fabled effort post?

[Nauci]

wavemode

Xiao Long

Wossi

Derpy Hooves

Tchill13

Porkens

Nauci
Flavor Leaf

Dunkerdoodles

Animetrix

Mumble

Lord Gurgi

Chickadee

Actually quite interesting how closely my reads currently align with our resident murdered town.

[Nauci]

Derpy I liked 1729. More like that, less of the angry noise. It really demotivates people.

[Nauci]

So please stop saying I sheeped you.

but

Yea, that's straight up scum back pedaling in the hood.

VOTE: Wossi

We do still have a lot of day left though.

I did straight up sheep the Wossi wagon though.

proves you kind of did sheep me so.......

Chickadee I understand your point about Derpy posts being mentally exhausting, but you do have to admit that he's got you on the sheeping by your own multiple admissions. If you had your own unique reasons for those reads, I don't think you post them. I asked you earlier if you could give us the reasons you tunneled Wossi if they weren't Derpy or I's.

VOTE: Lord Gurgi for a total lack of useful contributions to the game thus far, despite proving fully capable of in depth posting in day 1 (too bad it was wasted on a tin foil theory).

The other pool of people I am FOSing but not willing to vote yet are Chickadee, Tchill, Dave, Anime.

Porkens is playing exactly like he did in my game with him where we dunked the shit out of scum together, flipping over every rock in sight and confusing people by being "all over the place" aka pushing every person, which I feel is weird because that feels very towny!

None of the things he has said have been particularly useless noise (unlike a certain noble in this game).

Dunker is null. Derpy is towny.

I'm still shocked Wossi was town lmao.

I want FL walls back.

XL went dark today after some decent pushing on day 1. I hate this.

Tchill you can't just naked vote XL buddy it's been a whole day of new information you'll have to give us why you want to default back to the easy wagon.

Derpy you have got to stop doing such hard stances on people and then not listening to anybody.

Anime want to make some pushes instead of defense?

Chick can we get a tl;dr of this fabled effort post?

Nauci votes gurgi for lack of post after his day 1 play. I vote XL for lack of post after his day 1 play but that's a red flag for nauci. (if you didn't realize it was because he was lurking i already stated my suspicion of lurkers before the vote.)

I didn't connect that the XL vote was for lurking, because I don't think of him as a lurker compared to other players (even though he's been quiet for day 2). I can accept this explanation, but mostly my impression of you voting for XL is shouting for his death from the roof tops yesterday.

LG looks town to me.
I think Nauchos is wrong about useful contributions from him, cause some things he’s said D2 have made a lot of sense and he actually tried to analyze the NK which I don’t remember others doing. That said, 1590 is a shitpost and seems like weak explanations.

Which posts made sense?

This group:
Chickadee
Porkens
Gurgi
Anime
Nauci
Xiao long
Dunkerdoodles

Lynches this group:
Mumble davesaz
Tchill13
Flavor Leaf
derpy

If you are tired of toxicity, vote VOTE: derpy

VOTE: tchill

Porkens why do *you* town read Gurgi and XL?

psa: derpy is still scum
and no this is not revenge

also a scum in (porkens, tchill, chickadee)

yes i know i'm all over the place but i'm town trust me

I may currently believe you're town but I have absolutely no faith in your reads and will never sheep you in a million years. You realize that people only town read you because your anti town play is so consistently bad that we're tired of mislynching?

Anime want to make some pushes instead of defense?

This is also a bad post. I pushed Xiao hard yesterday. And I've been pushing for Dunkerdoodles hard today. Unless you have selective reading, I think that your posts have shown you are either not reading or making up reads.

Those posts got drowned out in the defensive posts. What are your current reads and why?

XL why are you so much quieter today? Feels like you're scum who felt you could rest on your laurels and not stir up trouble as soon as your wagon died. You promised that if we left you alive you'd bring out tons of telling interactions. Let's see the delivery.

VOTE: Xiao Long

[Nauci]

I just had dental surgery so I'm going to be passed out on Vicodin.

Please don't hammer anybody until I've had time to post again. Thanks.

[Nauci]

I have ISOed LG and am taking him off of my hard FOS list.

I would still like Porkens to answer my question, however.

[Nauci]

You don’t see scum making a neighborhood gambit, but you think what I’m doing is a scum gambit? L O L

Hey Tyrrion, you use your brain. I like that. I think Derpy is the scum in a Wossi vs Derpy situation though.

Hey guys that want to lynch me, just wait until day 3 or 4 to do it. If I haven’t helped find scum by then, I won’t argue with that. This will at least get you to start looking at other people.
Tell me what you think of this deal everyone.

Oh someone said my levels stuff was arrogant. It’s not arrogant, levels have nothing to do with how good of a player you are. A great player can play a level 1 game and a shit player can play a level 4 game.

I guess promise isn't quite the right word but you made us a deal!

[Nauci]

VOTE: Davesaz

[Nauci]

I release you.

VOTE: chickadee

Dislike!!!

[Nauci]

Well that's quite a turn of events!!!

Time to throw the play out and start from scratch.

[Nauci]

I'm putting FL and Derpy in my town block

[Nauci]

I'm actually surprised Porkens went down because I was prepared to FOS him for that lolhammer, but now I'm thinking it's because he popped a guilty on Chickadee and was just prodding others for the sake of information.

[Nauci]

So are we speculating about vig/sk or what?

Good job vig/sk, regardless.

[Nauci]

Please explain why you're calling a vig and not sk.

[Nauci]

Should we have the vig claim? We’d get another townie, but then we’d likely only get one more shot, which isn’t the end of the world.

We had a Mafia gunsmith, so we basically know that it’s a big and not an SK, but I’m paranoid of SK after that one large game, and it would stop that from ever happening. I think I know who it is, but I wouldn’t put down money on it.

I don't understand this reasoning

[Nauci]

VOTE: Xiao Long

Claim.

[Nauci]

UNVOTE:

[Nauci]

Derpy I put you in my town block but your play is not worth listening to.

[Nauci]

I seriously can’t see how I’m even still in the running for scum.

Cause you are a RC wannabe

I have tried really hard to figure this out and I still don't know what RC means

[Nauci]

Sorry guys my family are in town so I've been mega busy with stupid family drama and it's been too emotionally exhausting to catch up properly and analyze.

I'll try to do it today.

Need to read the last 4 pages so please give me a few hours.

[Nauci]

Good movie. OK I'm down with a nauci Lynch.

Wait wtf happened in the last 4 pages Jesus

[Nauci]

I'm not VLA I just need tonight

[Nauci]

God damn you guys

I'm OMGUSing all of you

Someone unvote me until I have time to catch up I don't want to claim

[Nauci]

He town read scum. Scum read town. Didn’t want to lynch scum. Refused to explain his reads. Backed down when asked to explain his scum reads.

I just can’t see how that is town play.

I have had 2 other games with dunker and he plays a shit town game where his reads are almost always dead wrong. While I'm not saying he benefits town and I have no idea what his scum play looks like, this isn't the strongest reason to potentially mislynch him.

Hmm... Speed skimmed nauci. He hard defends anime and throws what seems to be fake shade at chickadee. Meaning he votes chickadee and quickly finds another reason to vote someone else but claims to be suspicious of chickadee in multiple reads lists while constantly taking his vote off her.

Nauci/dave/flavor/gurgi/dunker/tchill/derpy/xl

We Lynch in this order we win. Anyone else disagree?

Can we please stop confusing my gender why is it so much to ask to be referred to by the proper pronoun? I corrected XL on it in the first day and it's lame to have at least 3 people still fuck it up.

I defended anime because I thought the way he questioned why I town read him as town. He didn't keep up this style of scum hunting, and fell into a shit ton of defensive posts. I gave him a respite from voting him after his explanation, but upon rereading him I thought his reasons were bullshit because he wasn't attacking anyone's shitty logic, he was ONLY being defensive. I FOSed him, but was voting lurkers because I wasn't ready for the day to be over yet. I was caught by surprise when I checked back in the thread and Chickadee had already been lynched, and was highly suspicious of Porkens for the lolhammer.

With Chickadee, I was very suspicious of her constant excuses to not post well, but didn't still feel she was posting nearly as scummy as Wossi. I also, again, wasn't ready for the day to be over yet, and wasn't fully on board with the lynch. I didn't have time to pop in until just after Porkens lolhammered.

VOTE: nauci

Alright screw it. I'm giving up on the flavor suspicion at the moment.

As of rn I'm operating according to the lists that I have supplied unless I'm shown a reason not to.

I'm not sure why there's cause to FOS Flavor in the first place. I am giving him town credit for calling town correctly on Wossi, and driving the wagons for both Chickadee and Animetrix. I feel like it would be ridiculous to bus BOTH partners so early when there are potentially a lot of town PR left.

Even if you flip town I wouldn’t say you had a great game.

I would. My reads have been fire.

Let's Lynch nauci here after Dave provides some input on the situation.

I'm just wondering why xl was your preferred case when there were associatves to be made with Dave and nauci also. That's all that has me suspicious.

It's not confirmed 3 scum either. I could see a scenario where dunk and flavor are the last 2 scum due to flavors defense of dunk. Wouldn't it be more likely there's 4 scum anyway because of the "backup" modifier?

No. 1 kill night 1, 2 Night 2.

News flash having a "good game" or not doesn't matter. Winning or losing is what matters.

Yep, and I’m on my way to bringing this town to victory. Was hardcore right on 2 scum and multiple town already.

Having “accurate reads” doesn’t mean you helped town.

Chick got lynched more for my contributions than yours. Basically her 180 and denying she sheeped me when she clearly did was her downfall.

You get no credit for the anime kill.

Take your ego and go on with yourself. You really have nothing to help town.

Derpy you have so many shitposts. These stupid "I get the credit" battles are dumb, and accurate reads that he actively pushes are the very definition of helping town.

I really want to lynch flavor just to get rid of his conceited attitude

You have every potential to make good posts but instead just throw out this kind of hypocritical crap.

So what are the chances xl is a werewolf that claimed vig? Or am I being stupid?

Per the wiki flavor is right. Mafia gunsmith would not find a gun on a SK.

So we either have a vig or mod trickery. For now I’ll err on the side of vig. Occam’s razor and all that jazz.

I'm not following. Why would it matter if mafia find or don't find a gun on an SK? How would you know? They killed Porkens, so presumably they found a gun on him.

Someone explain to me how this is a read of existing facts and not some sort of scum slip on gunsmith results.

You've been caught with your pants down.

Yeah I'm not sure what you think you've caught me at because I've just been town posting. My reads were very shaken by the flips thus far and I needed to take time to reread and re-evaluate. So far I FOS Dave, think Gurgi needs to post a lot more, and want to re ISO Tchill and Flavor.

Yes, I saw the earlier posts regarding Nauci interactions with Animetrix. At the time I thought the person who pointed that out could be scum throwing shade, but in light of flips it fits great.
VOTE: Nauci

How come you always lurk for a long time then pop in to conveniently join whatever wagon is active?

UNVOTE:
this game is basically solved, no reaosn not to claim tbh. scum has like a 11% chance of winning.

Don't be so overconfident. One PR is already outed so if we guess wrong we're definitely losing it. I don't really trust approaching a lylo situation with you and dunker around, and Dave and Gurgi lurking.

Current reads:

Flavor - towny
XL - probably vig
Derpy - bad town
Tchill - can't get a good read; need to ISO
Dave - scumlurking
Gurgi - hard to read because of lurking; FOSing but need to ISO

[Nauci]

VOTE: nauci
i'll let you guys do the hammering

It's really hard to not mislynch you when you constantly just conveniently hop onto wagons with empty voting, you know.

But thanks for almost saving me with the lynch-Viomi posts that other time!

[Nauci]

God you people ruined a nearly guaranteed win tomorrow

I'm 2 shot watcher. Used my first one on Derpy, didn't see anything.

Was going to watch XL tonight to see if he got shot for being vig, or if he was lying about being vig.

But now I'm going to die instead of finding scum

screw this game

[Nauci]

Night 1, because I thought we were all hard reading you as town and you'd be most in danger of being killed. I was also worried that I was on the chopping block because I had played a very town game, so I figured I'd get my uses in early.

I played back the last few days so I would be less at risk and could get my 2nd shot off at a useful time.

[Nauci]

At least if you don't lynch me scum will only be able to kill 1 of 2 PR, if XL is in fact vig, which I'm leaning towards just because there was 1 NK on night 1.

XL since you've already claimed, you might as well announce who you're targeting tonight.

[Nauci]

I'm sad no one caught my watcher crumb

Every game you play
Every single day

I'LL BE WATCHING YOU

[Nauci]

You should have brought it up

I may or may not have forgotten when I was busy being mad people were thinking about lynching me

[Nauci]

I was terrified that scum caught onto it day 1 and regretted sticking out as towny thinking I'd get killed lol

[Nauci]

To unvote?

Yeah lol I was going to watch XL and end the game right there. I don't really understand DH's hammering.

I'm glad I diverted the XL wagon day 1