Newbie 1830 - Game Over

[Apple Jack]

Didn’t look at the player list. Just helping a mod out who needs a bunch of replacements.

I’ll try to stay civil.

I’ll also be continuing my new tactic of not pushing anyone day 1. I’ll start once I have flips to look at.

[Apple Jack]

Yeah. Don’t participate in rvs and you’ll end it really fast.

[Apple Jack]

So far the best posts Alisae made weren’t even his own words.

I like the idea of running somebody up. Waiting for replacements shouldn’t stop people from playing or things will never get done. Y’all should have voted saad

[Apple Jack]

At least you made some. I’ve seen ICs not make any.

[Apple Jack]

VOTE: unvote

Why when somebody suggests they vote you, do you unvote and not say anything?

[Apple Jack]

just noticed you were voting the person who suggested voting you.

[Apple Jack]

What seems like omgus?

[Apple Jack]

That seems a little OMGUS. Possible scum motive there?

scum never do this nowadays

this is a bad post

Idk. I feel it’s pretty accurate. Town tend to omgus way more than scum.

[Apple Jack]

Because scum can do it just as easily as town

To be fair that can be applied to just about anything.

[Apple Jack]

I am town. Of course, any scum would say that. Why do you think I'm town?

because your paranoia looks town and not contrived.

to quote yourself

Because scum can do it just as easily as town

paranoia is so easy to fake as scum.

[Apple Jack]

did some searching through saad's old posts to see if his opinion about paranoia was genuine, the only game I could find that is completed where he town read and used paranoia as a reason he was scum. so something to keep an eye on.

and no he doesn't always give 1 liners.

[Apple Jack]

As of right now not really but nothing serious has happened.

[Apple Jack]

^that last post made me lol

[Apple Jack]

I don’t think his Saab read is inaccurate. He’s pretty scummy.

[Apple Jack]

Derpy
Spoiler: townie

I've seen absolutely no scumhunting from Derp. 0. Nope. Zilch. Not sure how else to say it, but you get the ideaThey are playing their normal town game, but meta isn't always the best way to make reads! They are definatly scum hunting! This makes me think they are townI've seen absolutely no scumhunting from Derp. 0. Nope. Zilch. Not sure how else to say it, but you get the idea

you must not be reading the game because I definitely have done some and they are clearly visible to anyone paying attention.

[Apple Jack]

to say I have done 0 is a blatant misrep

[Apple Jack]

@ james - earlier you asked if saab always used one liners and later you said that he did. How did you come to that conclusion?

[Apple Jack]

wow, that was uncalled for

nah it really isn't and when people do it they really aren't making themselves useful. it comes off as fake scum hunting

[Apple Jack]

lynch lubo. Everyone, get on lubo right now

VOTE: lubo

Reasons?

[Apple Jack]

lynch lubo. Everyone, get on lubo right now

VOTE: lubo

Reasons?

he's an SE, we should listen to him

You are the type of player that has cause me to start my new policy btw.

[Apple Jack]

Yes he does. That doesn’t necessarily translate to being scum though.

[Apple Jack]

I didn’t but it doesn’t really matter

[Apple Jack]

really? I play to my win condition and try my hardest to find and lynch scum. what's wrong with that?

[Apple Jack]

Game throwers aren’t qualified to give me advice.

[Apple Jack]

Claiming a role you don’t have, saying you have a death wish, self voting, and getting yourself lynched was all for protecting PRs?

My mistake. I guess I’m getting old.

[Apple Jack]

If it weren’t for those meddling kids

[Apple Jack]

1. I’m not voting anyone today
2. I did ask you to give reasons and you haven’t. If you don’t provide some soon I may reconsider number 1 and death tunnel you.

[Apple Jack]

I haven’t seen anything to suggest that.

[Apple Jack]

Probably to deceive town and get by day one without explaining himself.

[Apple Jack]

I think he could be. I don’t see anything that makes me think he’s town atm.

Why do you think he’s town?

[Apple Jack]

Ok im not lynching james today

Any other thoughts?

[Apple Jack]

I don't really believe saab's claim but lynching a claimed PR without a direct CC should never be done day 1. If it is fake we will figure it out soon enough. I don't really like how Fykus showed up and dropped a l-1 vote. I'd really like more content from him as it seems like he is lurking. Alisae I am kind of torn on. He comes off like he is LAMIST;ing but he is also the IC which most ICs to me seem like that.

[Apple Jack]

and the fact iron hasn't posted anything since Wednesday yet logged in as recently as today makes me feel like my scum read on him is justified.

[Apple Jack]

idk about that. I have seen scum caught by it before

[Apple Jack]

well like I said earlier you aren't really in a position to give me advice so we will just agree to disagree

[Apple Jack]

i was death tunneling scummy people

[Apple Jack]

i wasn't being defensive

btw, if I were you i'd stop using defensive accusations in general in mafia.

[Apple Jack]

There is nothing wrong with somebody defending themselves, but defending yourself is different than being defensive as shown by the definition you just posted. There isn't even anything wrong with somebody being defensive which is why I cringe whenever I see somebody bring it up.

and according to the definition you posted, I was neither resisting or preventing aggression or an attack.

He asked me a question and I answered it.

[Apple Jack]

most people on this site falsely accuse people of being defensive merely for defending themselves. I am not sure if I have ever seen a true example of defensive behaviour. that's really the point I was trying to make, because that happens to me so many times.

the big point though is I was neither defending myself or being defensive. so i'm not even sure how you came to that conclusion.

[Apple Jack]

No he asked me a question, he didn’t make a statement. There’s a difference

[Apple Jack]

i'm going to make this really easy on you guys, I am a town, I got trash tier VT, there is nothing useful from my slot, I am prod and join whatever wagon you guys wanna form, but I already know any attempt on my part to make a concentrated effort to play is only going to get met with enormous resistance which is gonna make me rage so hard i'll get myself banned for calling people bad names (already finished a 6 month exile, not planning to extend it).

You didn’t make it easy at all. Could you please explain why you were pushing ludo.

i'm actually so depressed right now having just witnessed my own disgusting death gonna sulk for a bit

[Apple Jack]

You are at l-2 I believe so you aren’t at a spot where you can be hammered. I am kind of surprised it didn’t happen. If you are telling the truth I feel like scum would have taken the risk

[Apple Jack]

Okay, that wagon formed way too fast.

The Saad wagon formed way to fast.

Analyzing wagon speed doesn't really get you anywhere

Actually it’s a pretty good indicator. It’s not perfect but typically wagon in scum almost never happen quickly

[Apple Jack]

how can anyone cc saad if he wont reveal his role?

It’s not worth worrying about day 1.

[Apple Jack]

Personally have major issues with 1. People replacing in and going on v/la and 2. People going on v/la for more than 3/4 days. 3. People not announcing in thread of the v/la.

mod this v/la is too long imo since he’s basically allowed to do nothing until deadline.

[Apple Jack]

I don’t object to a fykus (auto correct changed it to Fukushima) wagon. He’s not doing anything of value or scum hunting.

[Apple Jack]

I have them disabled. What does it say?

[Apple Jack]

But shouldn't you stay on one person and focus on reading one thing at a time?

Even me, the guy who loves the tunnel does not agree with this strategy. There is nothing wrong with moving votes around as long as they are for good reasons.

[Apple Jack]

I’m fine with an iron lynch. I’d be ok with a Saab lynch on any day but day 1.

[Apple Jack]

But you clearly don’t feel strongly about it. Not sure if I like that answer.

at least he gave a reason for his vote for chisa. you put him to l-1 without a reason. I still have no idea why you voted him and now you want to criticize somebody else's vote for the same person?

not sure I like that at all

[Apple Jack]

so why did you put him to l-1 saad? why is he a scum read?

[Apple Jack]

so why did you put him to l-1 saad? why is he a scum read?

He's in my lynchpool. He's not contributed that much (not a scumtell I know) but I feel his votes on me and voyager were opportunistic.

I'd consider Chisa, Fykus or maybe james if he keeps scumtelling today.

Why not say it before?

[Apple Jack]

Giving out reads is one thing. Putting somebody at l-1 without reason is another

[Apple Jack]

Derpy - What are your reads and why haven't I cared about a single post you wrote.

Saab is my top scum read. I don’t like iron either. I don’t know why you haven’t cared about my posts but I don’t really care that you don’t care. I’ve probably been more useful then you have though.

[Apple Jack]

Like how can Saab be a town read and he’s easily played the scummiest.

[Apple Jack]

Saad is not getting lynched because by play he is town.

You have a sense of humor.

Btw my posts weren’t jokes. But this definitely is. Saab has done NOTHING pro-town

[Apple Jack]

Saab has done no scum hunting.

This is a different game stop bringing up the past or I’ll just start calling you game thrower every post.

I have adapted. Scummy play and refusal to claim = scum almost all the time.

[Apple Jack]

if Derpy scumreads him that's a pretty huge indicator that he's town.

Like this is just a crappy post.

It’s like if I said

Alisae intentionally game throws and plays against his win condition so nobody should ever listen to him.

[Apple Jack]

Have you ever stopped to think or consider that maybe you're the problem?

Yes all the time. I just can’t connect how dots. I don’t see how it’s my fault that other people make posts they shouldn’t if they are town. So they need to step up their town game. I don’t need to lower my expectations. That helps nobody

[Apple Jack]

Fine. But I can’t control what I find scummy.

Like I feel if you really want to change my opinion you’d go about it differently. Insulting me and arguing with me isn’t going to work with me.

I feel you are doing this shit intentionally to distract town from Saab

[Apple Jack]

labeling me as a "gamethrower" as an attempt to imply that I don't have good reads is disingenuous

Isn’t this basically what you did? You labeled me as a tunneler and said anyone I scum read is town.

Good luck with your policy lynch

[Apple Jack]

And anytime you want to show legit scum hunting posts from Saab, I’m waiting. I can show you plenty of no scum hunting or fake scum hunting posts.

[Apple Jack]

Let’s ignore the fact that you basically admitted you think I’m town and this is indeed a policy lynch.

1. That first question I asked Saab didn’t say it had anything to do with his alignment. It was a question asked to better understand his mindset aka scum hunting.

2. The part about me not trying to sort people is a joke. If a player isn’t posting I can’t sort them. A player withholding information and refusing to answer questions AND lurking is scummy. I can only base reads on what’s available. I can’t sort him if he isn’t here. When he does show up he does nothing of value. No scum hunting.

3. Yes putting someone to l-1 without reason is scummy

4. I did actually care. I was hoping he would have something that make me change my mind. Unfortunately his reasons basically describe what Saab has done.

Meta sucks. Ignoring anything that has to do with meta. Especially set meta defenses. (Dude you are the Ic of this game. Please don’t teach newbies bad habits like this)

The wifom in the next part of the post can also be disregarded. if you are scum, you are capable of doing literally whatever it takes to make yourself look good.

And that’s basically all I’ve got and I’ll just ignore you. You are either scum trying to take advantage of town or town pushing a shitty policy lynch which is unacceptable from anyone let alone an IC

[Apple Jack]

Oh now you are trying to make yourself look better after you just made yourself look terrible.

You probably are scum after all.

[Apple Jack]

um no?
I don't TR you. I never TR'd

if Derpy scumreads him that's a pretty huge indicator that he's town.

this post says otherwise imo.

i'm done interacting with you. if you are town, you are not playing towards your win con and if you are scum well that is just shitty play. either way though you are setting a bad example for the newbies and I will make sure I let the newbie list mod know post game

[Apple Jack]

So Alisea is town then?

no

[Apple Jack]

378 is a really bad post. You’re implying that Alisae is town and is refusing to vote me intentionally because I’m scum and he knows I’m scum? Then you backpedal a bit ‘if he’s town blah blah blah’ if he’s scum ‘etc.’

I’m gonna reread you Hooves when I get home

you are definitely misreading that post. or maybe you are referring to another post? idk

I don't really care what you do when you get home.

[Apple Jack]

Was alisae playing against his win con by not hammering me when I was in l1

No.

That’s a weird question though.

[Apple Jack]

Was alisae playing against his win con by not hammering me when I was in l1

No.

That’s a weird question though.

so is alisae gamethrowing in this game then?

No

[Apple Jack]

I do agree with the v/la mechanics. That’s why I complained his v/la was too long. Now I know it’s a fake v/la because of some lame reason I hate him even more.

I have no issues looking like an asshole though. I accused Boon of using the wildfires to his advantage which turns out to actually be true but site meta it’s ok to do that.

[Apple Jack]

Crap. Rereading...this is unussall for derpy. The rest I need to keep looking into

Lol. I’m not playing different

[Apple Jack]

We won’t NL.

[Apple Jack]

"i put myself on v/la for another week; don't give me free reign just make prods 72 hours instead of 48

my phone burnt to the charging cord and in a bad irl spot"

Mod, this is basically a self proposed v/la and should not be allowed. He has been v/la for almost the entire time he has been in the game

[Apple Jack]

A force replacement of Chisa would be much better. He’s a troll alt.

[Apple Jack]

"i put myself on v/la for another week; don't give me free reign just make prods 72 hours instead of 48

my phone burnt to the charging cord and in a bad irl spot"

This is admitting he’s going to lurk until prodded. However mod won’t prod him cause he’s v/la

[Apple Jack]

Lucky for everyone I guess. I’ll be in West Virginia at a conference and I’m told internet is shottty. Could be a couple of hours or 3/4 of a day without posts from me.

[Apple Jack]

Ok scumteam is Derpy and Vort.

Like it’s not even cute anymore. I’m so obv town it’s ridiculous.

Saab is scim dude.

[Apple Jack]

Like so fucking obvious I’m wondering if you are scum for not seeing it. I caught the first scum and have a great lead on the second. You’ve been chasing low hanging fruit.

[Apple Jack]

Your motivations are completely fucked dude.

My motivation is to find scum. Done

Convince others to lynch them. Tried that. He claimed “Pr” but didn’t say which one cause he clearly was too afraid

Only thing I’m not doing is voting which I said I won’t. Day one. Only time I’ll compromise is for deadline or to hammer a scum read and everyone is done talking.

[Apple Jack]

I can't be scum for not seeing it I would be scum for pushing an agenda.

And last time you said my reads were litterally impossible from a town perspective I was 2/3

so glgl trying to lead a lynch on me.

Well you have to be scum or shitty town to say I’m scum. There ya go bragging about last game like that means anything this game.

Saab should be the lynch. Town wants to Derp that’s on them.

[Apple Jack]

And I feel that last part is bragging. Like you know you’re scum but nobody will listen to me n

[Apple Jack]

482 isn’t talking to you like you are town.

485 I’m taking to you like you could be scum cause it’s dawned on me that you very well could be. You seem to be protecting Saab who’s obvious scum.

[Apple Jack]

You’re vote doesn’t scare me.

[Apple Jack]

Like the way you are approaching my slot is SOOOOOOOOOOOO SCUMMY because you can't commit to anything and your posturing doesn't look like you're genuinely trying to sort me why the fuck is no one wanting to lynch Derpy he's obvscum.

I’ve committed bro. Saab is 1000000% scum.

[Apple Jack]

Ok scumteam is Derpy and Vort.

Like it’s not even cute anymore. I’m so obv town it’s ridiculous.

Saab is scim dude.

This post implies that I am wrong and you think I'm just flat out wrong and tunneling you.
Is that a wrong implication?
because Idunno what you're trying to get at from this.

That post implies you are wrong. Because you are wrong. I don’t care if you tunnel me. But every time you say I’m scum I’m going to call you on it.

[Apple Jack]

Like the way you are approaching

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is SOOOOOOOOOOOO SCUMMY because you can't commit to anything and your posturing doesn't look like you're genuinely trying to sort me why the fuck is no one wanting to lynch Derpy he's obvscum.

I’ve committed bro. Saab is 1000000% scum.

I'm sorry?
You can see the rainbow text that's super huge right?

Yes I see your stupid rainbow. Idk what the point of that was.

[Apple Jack]

That post implies you are wrong. Because you are wrong. I don’t care if you tunnel me. But every time you say I’m scum I’m going to call you on it.

Ok if I'm scum why are you trying to tell me I'm wrong?
Like what good will that do you?

I don’t care what good it’ll do me. If anyone calls me scum I’m going to call them out.

[Apple Jack]

You're not talking about my slot.
You're not trying to sort my content.
You're approach to my stance is extremely non comittal.
Like you don't want to commit to a hard stance on me for some reason and its really scummy.

Your feelings hurt I’m not giving you any love? Im sorry. Im busy trying to get people to lynch scum. I’ll figure out your slot day 2 after I get some flips. Right now I want saab’s Head on a platter.

[Apple Jack]

Like you don't want to commit to a hard stance on me for some reason and its really scummy.

How about I don’t have an opinion of you right now other than you are a game thrower and my focus has been on somebody I actually scum read.

I don’t give out all my reads on people. I focus on scum reads.

[Apple Jack]

you can apologize by either A. Replacing out or B. eating rope

Definitely not replacing out. I’ll eat rope day 2 after Saab is lynched. Though not sure how you’ll sell that to people after I handed town a scum lynch.

[Apple Jack]

Well he's not really flipping scum and his play kinda makes sense if you think about it from a town PoV you're just bad at thinking outside of the box.

Yes he is and no his play makes no sense from town POV.

[Apple Jack]

I think you're refusing to even think about what he could be thinking as town because you're a scumfuck that needs to persue an agenda.

I’m thinking he’s scum cause his play screams it. His refusal to claim is essentially a scum claim. If I have to go first to make people listen to me. So be it but I refuse to accept he’s town.

[Apple Jack]

I think it’s funny you want me to replace out. When he flips scum that’s going to look bad for you. Either that or you’re varroa grudge which is against the rules.

[Apple Jack]

But you're not flipping town.

I most definitely am.

[Apple Jack]

Not sure why we never got the deadline mod promised us.

VOTE: saab

[Apple Jack]

Derpy Hooves please roleclaim

No

[Apple Jack]

I’m not worried about being lynched but I’m certainly not going to role claim just for the sake of it.

[Apple Jack]

I don’t even like claiming during mass claims. You want me to claim do it proper and get me to l-1. Other than that piss off scum.

[Apple Jack]

wait how many PR claims are there?

saad, fykus and derpy?

saad, why did you hard claim? You did this the wrong way if you are town. this only makes sense if you're yolo'ing as scum.

Saad and fykus are the only claims so far.

[Apple Jack]

How would that help us narrow it down? A kill happened so if he’s legit, his target isn’t cleared

[Apple Jack]

list of players who need sorted: uc, fykus, vort, derpy, iron, brafin
list of locktown because mechanics: Saad, chisa

Technically nobody is mechanically cleared yet. Just cause there hasn’t been a cc yet doesn’t mean shit.

[Apple Jack]

if derpy didn't claim a pr why are you asking him to role claim?

i'd love to know also cause it looks like role fishing personally

[Apple Jack]

I’m not afraid. Now answer the ducking question

[Apple Jack]

Here. I have my reasons for asking derpy to roleclaik but if he won’t thas fine.

You literally have no reason to need me to role claim if you are legit which I don’t think you are.

[Apple Jack]

Chisa is ringing red alarms everywhere

I kind of agree. He looks like he’s trying but isn’t really coming to conclusions. Like he’s keeping his options open or something

[Apple Jack]

I’m voting

[Apple Jack]

i'm not posting anymore until we lynch someone, and nobody is posting either, so this game is worthless. prod me all you won't i'm not coming back until ppl post some shit.

I sort of agree with this.

[Apple Jack]

What do you make of Saab? You think his claim is legit?

[Apple Jack]

Or fykus for that matter? He’s not playing how a Bp should.

[Apple Jack]

I wonder also. it always makes my skin crawl when people request replacement in private. I feel like the respectable thing to do would just explain to everyone so there is no lingering doubt. But people tell me all the time that not everyone does what I think they will.

[Apple Jack]

saab and fykus have claimed roles but I don't believe either claim

[Apple Jack]

Counterclaim Jailkeeper

brb getting some popcorn

[Apple Jack]

[Apple Jack]

well that definitely explains the refusal to claim day 1, the not naming of his target, and the role fishing of me.

can't wait to see what saab has to say now.

[Apple Jack]

Yeah. He’s the one who’s lying...

[Apple Jack]

He site flaked....i can't find him anywhere on site. : p

That’s fine but he requested replacement per the mod. He didn’t just vanish.

[Apple Jack]

I don;t think a scum would claim like that. to easy t CC.......I think that everyone else coul be scum.......Derpy....don'y be fast to accept the counterclaim. the mafia team might be trying to eliminate the PR!!!!!!I don't know if they would risk it this early, but why would they risk claiming PR under almost no pressure then claiming the PR easiest to CC

But I was already scum reading saab.

[Apple Jack]

Ok, I'll admit, my counterclaim was fake. First off, if I was a jailkeeper why didn't James (the person before me) counterclaim? He didn't when Saad claimed so that should tell you James wasn't a PR at all, therefore I'm not a PR. I thought Derpy would've catch on but he believed my claimed OR did he? I can put in perspective that if he was scum, he would've really want the lynch on the first jailkeeper claim, Saad, and when Saad flips jailkeeper, he then would make a case on me saying I lied. Just a theory I have if he's scum. I would put Derpy was lean scum (even if he somehow convinces me he's town, i would rather have him lynched in lylo) and I'm thinking UC here is scum as well. UC did pinged me earlier and now he did it again and talked to Derpy like he's his buddy? The tone feels weird. I could be all wrong. Although someone else here did pinged me as well. That uh dog picture.

James hasn’t posted Day 2. His last post was in day 1 when Saab hadn’t even said what Pr he was so how exactly would I or anyone else have “caught on”?

[Apple Jack]

I can put in perspective that if he was scum, he would've really want the lynch on the first jailkeeper claim, Saad, and when Saad flips jailkeeper, he then would make a case on me saying I lied.

I don’t believe claims outright. I judge the play so yeah I would have kept pushing him. Even if nobody cc’d him I’d keep pushing him and now with your retraction I’m still pushing him. Lack of cc doesn’t mean he’s telling the truth.

You are also correct that if we lynched Saab and he flipped Jk, I absolutely would go after you cause you would have lied and lying isn’t something I see coming from town ever.

[Apple Jack]

VOTE: everyone

[Apple Jack]

lying isn’t something I see coming from town ever.

[Apple Jack]

Lying/gambits/tricks/deceiving town are things town should never do. Get reck’d scum

[Apple Jack]

Sorry I don’t believe you.

I will never accept town lying on purpose. Nobody should.

[Apple Jack]

Sorry I don’t believe you.

I will never accept town lying on purpose. Nobody should.

Didn't lie

Yes you did. You even admitted you did. Can’t save yourself now

[Apple Jack]

I admitted that my CC was a fake

See you can’t deny you lie and then immediately follow it up with confirmation you lied.

Now to find your partner. Unless it’s saab but that’s kind of risky

[Apple Jack]

lying1
[lahy-ing]
noun
the telling of lies, or false statements; untruthfulness:
From boyhood, he has never been good at lying.
synonyms: falsehood, falsity, mendacity, prevarication.
antonyms: truth, veracity.
adjective
telling or containing lies; deliberately untruthful; deceitful; false:

[Apple Jack]

Because he was my top scum read

[Apple Jack]

Because he was my top scum read

Because why?

You are the replacement. Go ducking read. The reasons are in my posts.

I’m not helping lazy scum

[Apple Jack]

Because he was my top scum read

I honestly do not like this response because like DUH captain obvious.

You were the one who asked the stupid question to begin with.

[Apple Jack]

Because he was my top scum read

Because why?

You are the replacement. Go ducking read. The reasons are in my posts.

I’m not helping lazy scum

Town should help others in case they're town but since you're not helping me understand why you think Saad is scum indicates that you're either bad town or scum. Town shouldn't give others a hard time, which is what you're doing.

You aren’t town so I have no interest in helping you.

[Apple Jack]

Wasn't a stupid question, u stupid motherfucker.

Yes it was and don’t call me a motherfucker again.

[Apple Jack]

You're lying

No I’m not. I don’t lie.

[Apple Jack]

Yes it was. And 1. Because it’s against the rules and 2. I’ll report you.

[Apple Jack]

I am town

I can’t possibily know that. The moment you lied the likelyhood of you being down went to basically nill.

[Apple Jack]

You're lying

No I’m not. I don’t lie.

Thats a lie right there. Scums would lie and you as scum would lie so therefore you saying "I don't lie" is actually a lie. Since again, we're heading to that road of lynch all liars, lets lynch you because you lied and i didnt lie.

Sorry. Should have said I almost never lie. As both alignments I play an honest game. Only lie when absolutely necessary and have only lied twice that I can remember as town.

[Apple Jack]

I am town

I can’t possibily know that. The moment you lied the likelyhood of you being down went to basically nill.

You can't know that if I'm town if you're town correct. However you saying I'm scum is a lie regardless of alignment so therefore don't assume I'm scum because thats actually lying.

Town shouldn’t lie and you did so I have no choice but to think you are scum.

If I’m wrong that’s on you. Do better next time until then get reckd

[Apple Jack]

So lynch me. Idgaf.

I don’t consider me misspeaking a lie. If others do I’ll accept that.

[Apple Jack]

I didn’t scum slip. Nice try though. Typical scum twisting words.

You are arguing you are town
I’m saying town shouldn’t lie and you did.

That means you aren’t town.

[Apple Jack]

lying1
[lahy-ing]
noun
the telling of lies, or false statements; untruthfulness:
From boyhood, he has never been good at lying.
synonyms: falsehood, falsity, mendacity, prevarication.
antonyms: truth, veracity.
adjective
telling or containing lies; deliberately untruthful; deceitful; false:

According to this definition you lied. This is an official definition.

Sorry no slip. You are scum

[Apple Jack]

I misspoke. You lied. But fine. I lied about not lying. You lied about being a role you weren’t.

Let everyone else decide which lie is worse and they lynch that person.

Now piss off scum.

[Apple Jack]

Sure. I’m so sure you aren’t town I’ll gladly 1 v 1 with you.

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If you're town we're just headbutting each other.

I am. You aren’t.

[Apple Jack]

If you give me until tonight I’ll explain why I suspected James as maf and why I wanted derpy to roleclaim. I think Derpy is town now btw.

Still waiting

[Apple Jack]

Scum slip? Town knows how to YouTube properly.

[Apple Jack]

mod did you send a prod to his main as well? He’s definitely active on site

[Apple Jack]

Sus af

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why do you think he is town? he lied to try and have you lynched

[Apple Jack]

and he could have gotten me lynched quite easily. I can see why he did what he did from a towns perspective

Can you explain cause I certainly can’t

[Apple Jack]

switch uc and iron

I want to say iron is scum on principle of how shittily and toxic he's playing but I don't think he is

I don't think I'm ever not getting lynched at this point so I'm going to just start posting cat pictures for the rest of the day

not doing it from a phone though do you can look forward to it at like 4

threatening to post cat pics is shitty and toxic imo

[Apple Jack]

plsmaybe if town hadn't made a pact to not do useful shit this gameday besides you, who is getting lost in an on principle tunnel, and ee

what useful stuff have you done?

[Apple Jack]

VOTE: chisa

If you were town you’d be trying to do more.

[Apple Jack]

VOTE: everyone.

[Apple Jack]

Mislynch or lose I think

[Apple Jack]

Yea.

I agree.
I don't see much of a decent case on ironstove.

Everyone is making naked votes currently
Remember that if you put two votes on somone, they can be quickhammered

My vote isn’t naked. Everyone is confirmed scum.


Also there can only be quick hammered if there are 2 votes on a townie.

[Apple Jack]

yea, that's fair, but not a good reason to think i'm scum versus other players.

do you have any other scum reads besides me?

Sure it is.

[Apple Jack]

I think everyone else is scum for sure. UC I am not so sure of.

[Apple Jack]

Derpy - Town
Everyone Else - Town
Vort - Town
UC Voyager - Scum
Fykus - Scum

There you go kiddos.

why is EE town?

[Apple Jack]

Ok, EE is town, UCV is scum. The end. Good bye.

Based on what

[Apple Jack]

Ok, after careful thinking, I decided that fykus is lock town, so this definitely changes the dynamic of the game FMPOV, basically I am not sure what's what anymore because prior to reading the fykus BP claim, I was convinced he was scum lurking. Anyway, I ran through the likelihood of fykus fake claiming BP knowing that him + his partner are goon/goon so it's fine to fake claim as BP, but I ran through a lot of scenarios in my head and finally decided that fykus is infact town BP PR because 475 fykus softs the PR as he says and this is prior to knowing that saad is JK, then later claims BP, so all of this adds up in the timeline.

fykus - town
EE - scum
vort - scum
derp -town
ucv - town

Those are my revised reads. Please share your thoughts.

I think this is more work than scum would invest when they are on the brink of victory, and I've seen town have crappy attitudes to begin with and then turn that around when it's crunch time before. I still don't your push to quick lynch on D1, but you've done enough since Chisa's lynch to drop on my list.
UNVOTE:


UCV looks like scum, but I followed a different game he was in, thinking the entire time that he was obvious scum, but when he was finally lynched, he flipped town, so I have been giving him a pass under the assumption that he's just a scummy townie, but he could just as easily be a scummy scum. I want to ISO Saad before voting, though.

hmmmm
i havn't been lynched recently so i don't know what your referring to

im a half decent scum!

You might have been night killed.

link to this game please

[Apple Jack]

does ee/vort make sense as a scum pair? based on the exchange on this page vort looks worse than uc

[Apple Jack]

So we going to lynch EE now or what?

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lol is EE sergtacos?

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Of course you use other games to read; that's what meta is. Ping this.
VOTE: UC Voyager

Don’t use meta. It’s unreliable

[Apple Jack]

A player on this site. And since you referred to yourself as tacos I assumed you were an alt. Probably are

[Apple Jack]

So now we wait for a replacement.

[Apple Jack]

A player on this site. And since you referred to yourself as tacos I assumed you were an alt. Probably are

cats outta the bag >_>

lol why hide?

[Apple Jack]

curious

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I feel like that’s a dig at me. My alts were originally hidden and were exposed over time. This particular account hasn’t been used in a long time and people thought I was a n00b plus some people don’t like playing with me. This way people know what they are getting

[Apple Jack]

So waiting for a replacement and idk what fykus is doing n

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well yeah I have been saying EE is scum. glad people finally listen.

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I don't care what you think, he is scum and I am definitely not unvoting.

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I really don't care about you or your opinions. You know I hate you, I am not even sure why you replaced in knowing this could end up very toxic.

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I thought that you were trying to be nice and I thought you said that you didn't hate me you just resented the influence that I had on site meta.

I don't remember saying that I didn't hate you, but the site meta comment is definitely true.

and yes, I want you to replace out.

[Apple Jack]

here I say I hate you - viewtopic.php?p=9410168#p9410168

[Apple Jack]

The only reason anyone should be voting is if someone is confirmed scum to them.

EE is confirmed scum imo

[Apple Jack]

he cc'd the actual tracker trying to get him lynched

[Apple Jack]

sorry mixing up games.

he cc'd saab, but saab was jk, not tracker.

[Apple Jack]

Saab is lying, I'm the jail keeper

VOTE: Sabb

[Apple Jack]

nobody has cc'd the bp claim. I got the impression Iron was going to but he never did.

p.edit - cause ee retracted his claim later and people town read him for it.

[Apple Jack]

Ok, I'll admit, my counterclaim was fake. First off, if I was a jailkeeper why didn't James (the person before me) counterclaim? He didn't when Saad claimed so that should tell you James wasn't a PR at all, therefore I'm not a PR. I thought Derpy would've catch on but he believed my claimed OR did he? I can put in perspective that if he was scum, he would've really want the lynch on the first jailkeeper claim, Saad, and when Saad flips jailkeeper, he then would make a case on me saying I lied. Just a theory I have if he's scum. I would put Derpy was lean scum (even if he somehow convinces me he's town, i would rather have him lynched in lylo) and I'm thinking UC here is scum as well. UC did pinged me earlier and now he did it again and talked to Derpy like he's his buddy? The tone feels weird. I could be all wrong. Although someone else here did pinged me as well. That uh dog picture.

here is the retraction.

James didn't cc, because James wasn't around when the claim happened.

[Apple Jack]

Next couple of days are going to be hectic for me holidays while being introverted doesn’t really go together. Ee is still my preference. I’m not a fan of no lynches especially when I’m convinced of at least one scum.

[Apple Jack]

Or we just lynch everyone else

[Apple Jack]

Man I wish this site used emojis.

<insert hmm emoji>

[Apple Jack]

Happy thanksgiving everyone. Be back Friday for sure. May get bored and check tomorrow

[Apple Jack]

Can’t really talk right now but GG everyone.

P.edit - he says you are the cause you lose as town.

[Apple Jack]

The issue is nobody had reasons for scum reading me. That’s why I always make the argument that meta is unreliable. I literally play the same as both alignments. Everything I did this game as scum, I do as town. Congrats yo thought I was scum but any other game I’d be town and you know that.

[Apple Jack]

No worries. Mafia is hard. Especially on this site

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Not really a scum slip. If he was town and town read the slot he’s probably say the same thing

[Apple Jack]

Any tips for improving my scum game?

You did awesome clearly

[Apple Jack]

Any tips for improving my scum game?

Play exactly like you do as town. If people can’t tell the difference they can’t find anything that’s AI.

[Apple Jack]

what if your town game is scummy as hell!

2 options.

Change or Own it.

Spend less time worrying about what people think of you and focus more on just lynching your reads. Give reasons for them and always try your hardest. Be transparent in your reads and don’t lurk or do intentionally scummy things like lie or gambit

[Apple Jack]

Fun game. Alisae was obvtown. Nice bp claim fykus. This is why you use the bp strat: to counter this play.

I’ve never heard of it til recently but I like it.