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Post Post #2675 (ISO) » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:21 am

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In post 2670, Transcend wrote:Tone / progression
Can you ellaborate?

Why do you like the progression and his tone?

It makes you (and your reads) really hard to read/understand if you don't explain your reads. I'm not looking for a case. I'm looking for more details on what makes you feel good about them.
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Post Post #2676 (ISO) » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:26 am

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Transcend, are you fine lynching Desp?
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Post Post #2677 (ISO) » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:28 am

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I mean

I faked a guilty on him to get c hammered

I can't vote

But if i could that's where i would vote
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Post Post #2678 (ISO) » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:48 am

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I think we need two more votes to hammer C.
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Post Post #2679 (ISO) » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:51 am

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hey Critter are you still town reading Von?
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Post Post #2680 (ISO) » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:53 am

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"critter"

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Post Post #2681 (ISO) » Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:10 am

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Post Post #2682 (ISO) » Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:18 am

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In post 2679, Toto wrote:hey Critter are you still town reading Von?
Not sure, I have Desp to lynch first.
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Post Post #2683 (ISO) » Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:43 am

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What made you town read him in the first place?
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Post Post #2684 (ISO) » Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:29 pm

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Shit I forgot I can't vote That is what I get trying to read several pages before bed with my eye hurting like it is :(

No pain meds either bah...

Well at least I got my reads out there for C
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Post Post #2685 (ISO) » Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:31 pm

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If players are townreading checkers and Transcend, then the Group C scum are Desperado and vonflare.
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Post Post #2686 (ISO) » Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:09 pm

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Spoiler: Catchup: Episode I, "The Scummer Menace"
In post 1816, Creature wrote:This isn't how town!Majiffy plays.

This is how I expect scum!Thor to play.
Your only experience with town!Majiffy was me tunneling you.
Unless maybe I was scum that game. I don't remember.

I'm specifically trying to refrain from tunneling you because now I know your obnoxiously bad playstyle is just who you are as a person. But you're not making it easy on me.

And I assure you that scum!Thor and town!Thor are nearly indistinguishable.
In post 1817, Creature wrote:The wagon on Majiffy kept failing and failing.
Probably because half the playerlist was invited personally by me.

The question you should be asking yourself is why the much more viable -
and still with as of yet unrefuted arguments against him
- wagon on LUV "kept failing and failing" until it eventually collapsed into a speed wagon on CMM.
In post 1824, Creature wrote:Who's scummier out of EddieFenix and Bulbazak?
Neither. Try again.
In post 1846, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Alisae was town who’s just frustrated with site meta in general.
The latter part of your statement seems to be a qualifier for the former part.

Why can't Alisae be scum who is frustrated with site meta?
In post 1849, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1847, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:How is having expectations of your play alignment indicative? Do you believe he’s intentionally lying?
I know he's lying, I'm trying to figure out if it's intentional.
I have hunted for a Creature lynch over 3 days when he was intentionally caught lying, called out on it, and then
continued to lie
about what he was called out on.

He flipped town.
In post 1852, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1851, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I don’t think you know for sure.

He could’ve talked to people who’ve played with you the most on here. He could have studied your previous games.

He could be misinformed. He could also not just have a good understanding of your play style. None of that makes him scummy
Yes - and if he's lying it does make him scummy.
So why shouldn't I investigate to figure out which is which exactly?
To note, this is the second time LUV has interjected when Creature starts getting questioned this game.

In post 1866, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I think he said it because he genuinely believes he has an understanding of how you play as town and feel this isn’t it. There’s nothing wrong about that. Now solely pushing you because of that is and I don’t think that’s mainly why he thinks you’re scum. If it is, I would need him to show some work.
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In post 1903, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I don’t like Majiffy’s or Thor’s interactions with Creature. Just don’t trust town here.
Fucking lol
In post 1911, Creature wrote:
In post 1907, Ellibereth wrote:Also dan is close to 100% town by meta.
I thought his EOD1 was a planned scum theater with Majiffy.
I don't want to break your heart but planned scum theatre happens very, very rarely.

As in, I've seen it less than 10 times in the 10+ years I've been playing mafia on multiple websites.
In post 1915, InactionDan wrote:
In post 1913, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:If this is Dan’s town game, that’s just sad.
There's honestly nothing sadder in this thread than you.
Dope burn
In post 1916, Creature wrote:Maybe if we end doing Group A I'd lynch one of {Bulbazak, EddieFenix} first.
Your reads are just so objectively bad I feel like I need to take you out for an ice cream cone with sprinkles.
In post 1919, Creature wrote:A real beetlejuice is the one that appears only when mentioned, does almost nothing and then leaves the same way as appears.
Another terrible assumption about scum behavior that simply doesn't pan out in reality.
In post 1920, InactionDan wrote:I honestly don't understand the raging boner people have for majiffy.
I have that effect on both sexes, tbqh

It's probably the dad bod and luscious beard.
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meta
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a lot
Yes. And it's also one of the few playstyles that I have seen reliably hit at a greater-than-random rate. So, there's that.
I have this festering notion that you're scum.
In post 1948, Bulbazak wrote:Also, I'll be cross-referencing today's B wagon with yesterday's Mick wagon. Just fyi.
I was thinking about this in the shower and frankly I don't think VCA is going to be too effective until very late-game with a third of the playerlist missing in each lynch. Gonna need at least 5 or 6 good wagons to parse anything about anyone.
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Post Post #2687 (ISO) » Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:23 pm

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Oh right, BIOCHEMISTRY.

Lesson I learned in that game: Different perspectives doesn't Always mean someone is lying.
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Post Post #2688 (ISO) » Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:48 pm

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did c actually get hammered
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Post Post #2689 (ISO) » Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:53 pm

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Spoiler: Catchup, Episode II: "Attack of the Dumbs"
Wait isn't this the game that you said it was much easier for you to lynch me in? The one where you were calling for my head on Day 1?

The one where I didn't get lynched until Day 6?

And I was town?

Lol
In post 1959, Bulbazak wrote:Creature feels wrong on a fundamental level
I
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In post 1964, Ginngie wrote:Whoever is scum in A is having just dandy of a time not giving a shit
I've got townreads on Eddie and Zak, Creature is probably VI, which leaves Elli/Assemble/Dan

None of whom have participated enough to bother right now.
In post 1971, Thor665 wrote:I'd softly put money on Majiffy and the Snowman guy.
You disappoint me Thor

Snowy's the towniest still alive in B
In post 1977, Creature wrote:
In post 1971, Thor665 wrote:So you're saying my scum meta is that I'm super obvious scum and that's what I'm doing in this game?
You'd probably be hanging back and only making sure the wagon isn't on you.
lol

Oh sorry you just have no idea how Thor plays scum
In post 2030, Bulbazak wrote:Also, the sudden strong push onto Majiffy after Momo started getting hardpushed wigged me out.
I have a hunch can you drudge up some quotes and tell me who started that up?

Then compare that to the CMM push when it became obvious it was between CMM and LUV.

Venn diagram that shit and you got scumbo(s)
In post 2040, checkersman7 wrote:
In post 2035, Bulbazak wrote:Focusing on LUV you mean? I meant to respond to his response to me from d1, but decided against it.
Not even just that

Just the total lack of not doing anything.
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In post 2065, Bulbazak wrote:@Checkers: B is a great big tub of blah for me right now. I just want investigatives to sort it out a bit before diving back in.
The same investigatives who couldn't figure out to watch Rauth?
#gloatingscum
In post 2103, Elliberetta wrote:oh wait majiffy doesn't matter only assemble does
OUCH

In post 2188, checkersman7 wrote:I know what white knighting is I internet.

when the fuck did people start calling it WKing
Commonplace on EM as far back as 2008 so ???
In post 2191, Transcend wrote:Well allow me to "wk" creature, but i think his read on ass is justified.
I'm gonna no context quote the shit out of this when the game is done
In post 2202, Creature wrote:I'm surprised there are players that still think WK is a legit scumtell.
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Can we get the OP updated with Mikan's replacement in the group list?


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Post Post #2690 (ISO) » Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:56 pm

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Is Thor a scumread or is he permanently null?
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Post Post #2691 (ISO) » Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:16 pm

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Spoiler: Catchup, Episode III: "Revenge of the Goon"
In post 2254, Creature wrote:Mafia can't work if every game is like "what if X is a mislynch?"
I'd hate to burst your bubble of naivete but mafia doesn't actually work.

Even the best players barely average above random.

Mostly the game is "try not to suck
too
hard".
In post 2261, Toto wrote:Your tunnel feels fake bud.

Same crap as ‘alisae replaced out because he was scum and I was tunneling them’

You are pretending to be tunneling your ‘gut reads’ because that is what you do in your town games but here feels forced. Like I said. You are not adapting.
I like you
In post 2278, Desperado wrote:we're never going to get anywhere if the gap between the people who are posting at normal forum mafia rates and the people who are treating this like a chat room doesn't start to go away soon...including mikan, 8 players account for over 75% of the game right now. there's no flow to the discussion, it's just the same people measuring their dicks over and over and over again
Yeah there's a high noise ratio.
In post 2309, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:You’re engaging him like you think he’s scum :/
You literally think every person that engages Creature is engaging them like he's scum

Every
Single
Person.
In post 2315, checkersman7 wrote:cases are scummy and meta is trash
Suddenly your playstyle makes so much sense
In post 2329, Transcend wrote:Fuck

Alisae was right

Desperado is scum.
Town doesn't make this post

Too showboaty. Self-conscious. Trash. Lynch it.
In post 2333, Ginngie wrote:What just happened:
Elli questioning someone's read
People "Dont do that"
elli goes why
people "lol becuz"

Ya ever get that feeling of productivity and you're about to engage in meaningful conversation.

That page killed it and I now would rather study.
Hi I still don't have a read on you would you like to engage with someone sane?
In post 2396, Ramcius wrote:
In post 2394, Toto wrote:Yes, more or less. And where is the scum thought process in any of my actions because Im pretty sure im town
you pretty sure you are town? :mrgreen:
I'm going to enjoy lynching you.
In post 2405, RachMarie wrote:Well I never got an answer to my question
Get used to it. The shitposters have taken over and the scum have flocked in behind it. No one is playing mafia anymore, we're all just lynching town in mindless herds.
In post 2407, Creature wrote:Anyone scumreads LUV here?
Hi. Majiffy here. You might know me as one of the few people that have actually made a scum case on anyone this entire game.
In post 2410, InactionDan wrote:You can add blatant and unnecessary White knighting of yourself to the list of charges. Right under "teehee you won't lynch me" signaling to his mafia buds
Oh thank god I'm not the only one

Also that PR soft looks even worse now with a dead PR.
In post 2416, Toto wrote:Thor is scum
Can you accurately read Thor?

If yes, walk me through it.
In post 2424, Majiffy wrote:
In post 2420, checkersman7 wrote:for example no-one is saying Eddie is town and we don't lose the game if he is
I am. Or was, unless something has changed since day started.
Annnd Eddie is still town

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Post Post #2692 (ISO) » Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:17 pm

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In post 2690, Creature wrote:Is Thor a scumread or is he permanently null?
Permanently null until I'm forced to deal with him. Preferably at endgame, with a 50/50.
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Post Post #2693 (ISO) » Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:31 pm

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Thor tone is relatively the same town and scum after reading some of his game. What changes is the agenda. In town games he is actually trying to solve the game and his arguments are more natural. In his scum games he is basicaly avoids any game solving and spends most of his time arguing tangents and slowing the game down or placing his votes tactically.

The reason he is hard to read is his gimmick way of talking has a few layers of indirection. He does this to make himself harder to read. But his agenda is usually pretty obvious once you read past that.
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Post Post #2694 (ISO) » Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:34 pm

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Basically as scum he is an unreasonable motherfucker, as town he is more of a nice guy.
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Post Post #2695 (ISO) » Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:48 pm

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Like here he has spent half the game arguing whether people can meta read him or not, instead of solving the game.
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Post Post #2696 (ISO) » Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:54 pm

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Spoiler: Catchup, Episode IV: "A New Town"
In post 2426, Transcend wrote:
In post 2423, Majiffy wrote:Ain't doing shit tonight. Helped a friend move, just got home.

Tomorrow is another day.
Not like you've done shit any other day
m8
In post 2427, EddieFenix wrote:
In post 2424, Majiffy wrote:
In post 2420, checkersman7 wrote:for example no-one is saying Eddie is town and we don't lose the game if he is
I am. Or was, unless something has changed since day started.
Same shit, different day phase, Majiffy.
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Okay that was funny
In post 2486, Bulbazak wrote:Got
something new
anything at all to add luv?
fyp
In post 2499, Toto wrote: showing (as in theatrical performance
Toto lock town. I'm done here.
In post 2521, Toto wrote:Meta homework: find a scum rage quitting beause they are being tunneled and quit the game calling everyone bad
Done it. DGB replaced into a game I was dominating and basically turned everyone on me in just a few pages.

I think Kuribo was in that game too.

Boy was I steamy.
In post 2564, Ginngie wrote: literally one of my assignments I did this morning was to type 3-5 sentences about life after the singularity and I wrote this much:
Spoiler:
I'm a huge fan of evolution and one of my theories about life is that we are just information and our goal is to become more advanced to be able to rely more information as we go. If you look at it, DNA is literally just information that knows how to replicate itself. I get the thought that the reason living organisms want to reproduce is that the organism knows it will die and in order to pass on that information, it needs to create offspring to carry on the knowledge torch. Being human is the informational evolution's current peak(earth bound, nothing E.T.). We are the most intelligent species coming from evolution and you can see the memory trail. Small organisms like plankton just replicate, same thing with plants. Then when we move on to fish, we see goldfish having a 7 second memory, then mammals get more advanced and now we have the brain to remember our entire lifetime and even understand the universe we live in. The next step in the informational evolution, as I see it, is innovating computers until we get to the singularity, after that information will no longer need a living organism in order to maintain the information bubble. You could actually think of it as the universe wanted to preserve it's information, and in order to do so, it created living organisms because it didn't have the tools to retain information. In a sense, we went from inorganic, to organic, back to inorganic, and humans can be compared to the universe's first computer. Getting back to what I was saying, with computers hitting the singularity, they will be able to reproduce themselves and then study knew information with quantum mechanics that we can't understand. The informational bubble will sky rocket exponentially and humans will no longer be needed. For humans, this just means we'll be in the same place as say dogs are to humans. We'll be there in the shadow of computers doing our own thing and enjoying life until we die, not really having any true purpose and just chilling. A lot of societal problems will fade away as computers will solve them easily and there won't be any real struggles for humans. There isn't any real way to prepare for it besides accepting the inevitability of it.
You make it sound so good and not at all like Terminator please be inside my brain

Also what is your major?
In post 2612, InactionDan wrote:Not only was Ali town but ramicus is as well

In post 2614, Toto wrote:Hey ginnie why is rach town?
Rach is town. She's more apprehensive about townreading me as scum.
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In post 2619, Creature wrote:
In post 2547, EddieFenix wrote:
Thor and Jiffy are town to me.
Momo and LUV are scum in group B imo.
Ugh.
It's okay that's how I feel every time I see you post anything game-related.
In post 2651, Toto wrote:Vonn can die
Desp can die
Gingie can die

RachMarie null

Checkers, Transcend can be town for today.

Alisae's slot is town
Okay now reverse pretty much everything here and you'll be doing okay.
In post 2671, SnarkySnowman wrote:Who did toto replace again? slot is giving me bad feels
Nah slot is great reads just suck

They're actually trying to parse alignments, which is far and away more than 75% of the playerlist is doing.
In post 2693, Toto wrote:Thor tone is relatively the same town and scum after reading some of his game. What changes is the agenda. In town games he is actually trying to solve the game and his arguments are more natural. In his scum games he is basicaly avoids any game solving and spends most of his time arguing tangents and slowing the game down or placing his votes tactically.

The reason he is hard to read is his gimmick way of talking has a few layers of indirection. He does this to make himself harder to read. But his agenda is usually pretty obvious once you read past that.
Then I'd argue he hasn't done much in regards to the latter and shouldn't be a scumread.
In post 2695, Toto wrote:Like here he has spent half the game arguing whether people can meta read him or not, instead of solving the game.
Kind of a potent argument considering our group got lynched in first, and people were debating at the time to lynch in our group again.
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Post Post #2697 (ISO) » Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:55 pm

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Repost nested spoilers fucked that whole thing up

Spoiler: Catchup, Episode IV: "A New Town"
In post 2426, Transcend wrote:
In post 2423, Majiffy wrote:Ain't doing shit tonight. Helped a friend move, just got home.

Tomorrow is another day.
Not like you've done shit any other day
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In post 2427, EddieFenix wrote:
In post 2424, Majiffy wrote:
In post 2420, checkersman7 wrote:for example no-one is saying Eddie is town and we don't lose the game if he is
I am. Or was, unless something has changed since day started.
Same shit, different day phase, Majiffy.
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Okay that was funny
In post 2486, Bulbazak wrote:Got
something new
anything at all to add luv?
fyp
In post 2499, Toto wrote: showing (as in theatrical performance
Toto lock town. I'm done here.
In post 2521, Toto wrote:Meta homework: find a scum rage quitting beause they are being tunneled and quit the game calling everyone bad
Done it. DGB replaced into a game I was dominating and basically turned everyone on me in just a few pages.

I think Kuribo was in that game too.

Boy was I steamy.
In post 2564, Ginngie wrote: literally one of my assignments I did this morning was to type 3-5 sentences about life after the singularity and I wrote this much:
You make it sound so good and not at all like Terminator please be inside my brain

Also what is your major?
In post 2612, InactionDan wrote:Not only was Ali town but ramicus is as well

In post 2614, Toto wrote:Hey ginnie why is rach town?
Rach is town. She's more apprehensive about townreading me as scum.
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In post 2619, Creature wrote:
In post 2547, EddieFenix wrote:
Thor and Jiffy are town to me.
Momo and LUV are scum in group B imo.
Ugh.
It's okay that's how I feel every time I see you post anything game-related.
In post 2651, Toto wrote:Vonn can die
Desp can die
Gingie can die

RachMarie null

Checkers, Transcend can be town for today.

Alisae's slot is town
Okay now reverse pretty much everything here and you'll be doing okay.
In post 2671, SnarkySnowman wrote:Who did toto replace again? slot is giving me bad feels
Nah slot is great reads just suck

They're actually trying to parse alignments, which is far and away more than 75% of the playerlist is doing.
In post 2693, Toto wrote:Thor tone is relatively the same town and scum after reading some of his game. What changes is the agenda. In town games he is actually trying to solve the game and his arguments are more natural. In his scum games he is basicaly avoids any game solving and spends most of his time arguing tangents and slowing the game down or placing his votes tactically.

The reason he is hard to read is his gimmick way of talking has a few layers of indirection. He does this to make himself harder to read. But his agenda is usually pretty obvious once you read past that.
Then I'd argue he hasn't done much in regards to the latter and shouldn't be a scumread.
In post 2695, Toto wrote:Like here he has spent half the game arguing whether people can meta read him or not, instead of solving the game.
Kind of a potent argument considering our group got lynched in first, and people were debating at the time to lynch in our group again.
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Post Post #2698 (ISO) » Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:57 pm

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VOTE: Group C

Need to parse between Chess, Transcend and Rami for the 2 scum here but whatevz
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Post Post #2699 (ISO) » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:15 pm

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In post 1352, checkersman7 wrote:So this is why they say you should never meet your heroes
Man I said this about Thor but goddamn it applies to Majiffy too

this is the stuff of MS legend? This steaming pile of dumb or scum?
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