Open 702: Vanilla Nightless Game Over

[mozamis]

@ Cult: Zulfy is no longer my top scum read, I dont see the point of that post you are referring to?

[CultOfAthena]

@ Cult: Zulfy is no longer my top scum read, I dont see the point of that post you are referring to?

You said you had real reasons that he was scum, rather than it just being a lurker lynch. Even if you don't still think he's scum, what were those reasons?

[mozamis]

Given that nobody seems to be picking up on what I've been saying, I'll say it a little more explicitly - mozamis is scum.

ah the invetibale frustrated scum "OMGUS" - attack is best form of defence, eh?!
Done it myself.
Although you give yourself away lol "no one seesm to be picking up on what I'm saying" i.e the SHADE I'VE BEEN THROWING lol

[Luca Blight]

Moz can be looked at Tomorrow.

Vote LaserGuy.

[CultOfAthena]

Given that nobody seems to be picking up on what I've been saying, I'll say it a little more explicitly - mozamis is scum.

ah the invetibale frustrated scum "OMGUS" - attack is best form of defence, eh?!
Done it myself.
Although you give yourself away lol "no one seesm to be picking up on what I'm saying" i.e the SHADE I'VE BEEN THROWING lol

I'm not sure why you take this as some kind of development - I've been voting you since the start of the day.

To you, what's the difference between pointing out scum and shade throwing?

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: Cult of Athena

I'm throwing myself behind Moz on this one, sorry Luca.

[Luca Blight]

Why do you trust Moz over me?

[mozamis]

You said you had real reasons that he was scum, rather than it just being a lurker lynch. Even if you don't still think he's scum, what were those reasons?

1) he still could be scum, altho he's some way behind you, Laser, and Cy .

2) I didn't like Archer, so i guess i was biased against Zulfy when he replaced in. If you look back, i think Archer was my top scum read early on.
3) when he did replace in, he came out with one or 2 lurkery prod dodge posts which didnt look great.
3) Then he lurked.
All of which added up to the scum read.
However, once he started posting more, he seemed much more honest - that thing about his wallet getting stolen sounded honest.
So he is probably town.

I appreciate it's your job to make mountains out of molehills, but people change their reads the WHOLE time in mafia - you'll have to do better than this

[mozamis]

I've been voting you since the start of the day.

shit, my bad i thought that was you voting me.

[Lucky2u]

@ Luca I learned a hard lesson from a game recently that conf town doesnt mean infallible. So I'm trying to keep an open mind here. Cult has been my instinct read here for awhile, partially in part because of the way they fight back so much against you to the point of it being an attempt to discredit and still spread doubt that you might be scum.

[Lucky2u]

You said you had real reasons that he was scum, rather than it just being a lurker lynch. Even if you don't still think he's scum, what were those reasons?

1) he still could be scum, altho he's some way behind you, Laser, and Cy .

2) I didn't like Archer, so i guess i was biased against Zulfy when he replaced in. If you look back, i think Archer was my top scum read early on.
3) when he did replace in, he came out with one or 2 lurkery prod dodge posts which didnt look great.
3) Then he lurked.
All of which added up to the scum read.
However, once he started posting more, he seemed much more honest - that thing about his wallet getting stolen sounded honest.
So he is probably town.

I appreciate it's your job to make mountains out of molehills, but people change their reads the WHOLE time in mafia - you'll have to do better than this

Moz I'm trying to support you on cult wagon here and you make this scummy flip flop explanation on the Zulfy slot. You read him as probably town now? wtf? Move that down to null until he is pushing something.

[CultOfAthena]

You said you had real reasons that he was scum, rather than it just being a lurker lynch. Even if you don't still think he's scum, what were those reasons?

1) he still could be scum, altho he's some way behind you, Laser, and Cy .

It's telling that this is your number one reason.

2) I didn't like Archer, so i guess i was biased against Zulfy when he replaced in. If you look back, i think Archer was my top scum read early on.
3) when he did replace in, he came out with one or 2 lurkery prod dodge posts which didnt look great.
3) Then he lurked.
All of which added up to the scum read.
However, once he started posting more, he seemed much more honest - that thing about his wallet getting stolen sounded honest.
So he is probably town.

All of this sounds really suspiciously like "lurker lynch" to me. Either you're lying now or you were lying then about having real reasons.

I appreciate it's your job to make mountains out of molehills, but people change their reads the WHOLE time in mafia - you'll have to do better than this

Nice discrediting without making any sort of concrete statement. What I've been doing isn't shade throwing -

this

is shade throwing.

Yes, townies change their mind all the time in mafia,

naturally

. Your progression is fake.

[CultOfAthena]

@ Luca I learned a hard lesson from a game recently that conf town doesnt mean infallible. So I'm trying to keep an open mind here. Cult has been my instinct read here for awhile, partially in part because of the way they fight back so much against you to the point of it being an attempt to discredit and still spread doubt that you might be scum.

Woah, there's a massive disconnect between those two sentences. Like, the central ideas of those two sentences are

completely

in opposition.

[Lucky2u]

@ Luca I learned a hard lesson from a game recently that conf town doesnt mean infallible. So I'm trying to keep an open mind here. Cult has been my instinct read here for awhile, partially in part because of the way they fight back so much against you to the point of it being an attempt to discredit and still spread doubt that you might be scum.

Woah, there's a massive disconnect between those two sentences. Like, the central ideas of those two sentences are

completely

in opposition.

explain?

[CultOfAthena]

First, you talk about how you're placing less confidence in conftowns. Then, you say you suspect me because of my efforts to get people to place less confidence in conftowns.

[Luca Blight]

Lucky, what are your thoughts on LaserGuy?

Do you agree/disagree with the points I made against him?

[Lucky2u]

First, you talk about how you're placing less confidence in conftowns. Then, you say you suspect me because of my efforts to get people to place less confidence in conftowns.

Ah, I see. That's not what I meant, but I can see it read that way. The first statement is that I'm trying not to have blind confidence in conf town reads, not their conf status. The second statement was explaining how I am scum reading you for trying to undermine Luca's conf town status. Two different things

[Luca Blight]

Athena, you should join me in voting LaserGuy.

We can look at Moz Tomorrow.

[Luca Blight]

Lucky, Athena isn't the only one to have undermined my 'conf town status'.

[CultOfAthena]

Athena, you should join me in voting LaserGuy.

We can look at Moz Tomorrow.

No, thank you. What's the benefit to leaving discussion to tomorrow?

[Luca Blight]

What's the benefit of letting LaserGuy off the hook for free?

[Lucky2u]

Lucky, what are your thoughts on LaserGuy?

Do you agree/disagree with the points I made against him?

I think some of your points can be conf bias like the assumption that he was baiting athena with 426 (and that point only works if Laser is scum and athena is not so it's taking an extra leap there). 435 is not scummy in and of itself, and you again make a larger than I'm comfortable leap in the assumption of motivation. The scummiest things he's done was to paint the interactions we had as some kind of scum theater and try to push a PL on Zulfy. For that alone I can leave him at lean scum. I'd rather have Athena though.

[CultOfAthena]

What's the benefit of letting LaserGuy off the hook for free?

Who said anything about that? You're ignoring all of my points on mozamis today, with the point that they can be discussed tomorrow. Why wait until tomorrow to discuss them?

[Lucky2u]

Lucky, Athena isn't the only one to have undermined my 'conf town status'.

I didn't say she was, this one just feels right.

[Luca Blight]

What's the benefit of letting LaserGuy off the hook for free?

Who said anything about that? You're ignoring all of my points on mozamis today, with the point that they can be discussed tomorrow. Why wait until tomorrow to discuss them?

Because we can only lynch one person per day, and I'd rather not lose focus on what we have in front of us for something that can be dealt with at a later time.