Newbie 1836 - Game over

[thenewearth]

H A H A H A H A H A

There's the "I'm got outed so I must vote the counterclaimer"

oh poor child

[thenewearth]

I already said that I'm actually hesitant on claiming because of some past experience

Why do you think I said "Old thenewearth would have just counterclaimed instantly"

and if I actually counterclaimed I could have thrown the game

confscum, tbh

[northsidegal]

H A H A H A H A H A

There's the "I'm got outed so I must vote the counterclaimer"

oh poor child

i mean, i don't think you're pulling some incredibly stupid gambit so yeah, you just scumclaimed. discredit me more, though.

[thenewearth]

Sue me

[northsidegal]

I already said that I'm actually hesitant on claiming because of some past experience

Why do you think I said "Old thenewearth would have just counterclaimed instantly"

and if I actually counterclaimed I could have thrown the game

confscum, tbh

i think you just made that up to explain the "testing the waters" of the counterclaim. like, this should be giving everyone pause right now:

tne if somebody targeted someone then it's 100% confirmed fypov that nsg isn't bp

read: if it's actually tracker / bp there's no way for anyone to target anyway except nsg and get a no kill in the end

[Micc]

@tne:
Yeah if you tracked a non-NSG player to another non-NSG player that's a counterclaim to NSG being 1 shot bulletproof. If you tracked NSG somewhere we've got something else entirely on our hands but that doesn't seem to be what you're claiming.

It's not necessarily you that's the town one here, but yeah if we were to lynch NSG here and she is scum then the person who was visited is confirmed to have been saved by a doc and is town. I agree that you should claim who the visited player is. The person you tracked would be either mafia or the doctor. That can be sorted out by you tracking the same person again in Night 2. If they're the doc they will be targeting you, and if they're scum they have to target you or you will catch them. This guarantees a 4 player mylo with you and the person who was visited night 1 being confirmed town at the very worst.

I'm not convinced that NSG is sacrificing herself by straight up claiming BP here without any pressure as scum. Going to have to think about that.

and there's some predits. Can't read them now - ill be back in a bit

[thenewearth]

uuuhh

Because I didn't track NSG? The fuck you guys saying?

[Voyc]

But I think I should just out who GOT targetted, thoughts?

I would be ok with this,
I don't see any disadvantages, at least.

And while I do believe you over nsg, clearly, it would help cement your claim.

[thenewearth]

get a no kill in the end

I already explained the past experience which made me wishy washy and sloppy in counterclaiming

I mean I admit I was sloppy because trauma and paranoia but I was literally baking cakes and saying "GUYS I'M COUNTERCLAIMING BUT I'M SCARED THAT SCUM ACTUALLY NOKILLED LAST NIGHT"

[thenewearth]

Micc got visited last night

@Doc: Please don't state anything that its true what i say because you'd be outing yourself

at the very least I would like to think that you're smart and would hide in the shadows till you need to actually come out

[thenewearth]

I would also like to think that micc is now town because I said he was aligned with Zitto

And if I was wrong and zitto flipped town (which he actually did) then Micc isn't scum

My stuff makes sense, I believe

[northsidegal]

get a no kill in the end

I already explained the past experience which made me wishy washy and sloppy in counterclaiming

I mean I admit I was sloppy because trauma and paranoia but I was literally baking cakes and saying "GUYS I'M COUNTERCLAIMING BUT I'M SCARED THAT SCUM ACTUALLY NOKILLED LAST NIGHT"

so what changed your mind? there wasn't any new information between your initial softing and you counterclaiming that would have indicated one way or another if scum nokiled, so why didn't you say anything initially and why did you say something later? this is why you're lying. well, i know you're lying - this is why other people should realize that you're lying.

[thenewearth]

Again, Sue me

[Micc]

Please don’t waste space in this thread arguing with each other. I don’t think that’s going to be helpful here.

Tne, how’d you get screwed in this scenario in the past?

[thenewearth]

They actually nokilled night one

You can guess the story after that

I really don't remember much except that

[northsidegal]

Please don’t waste space in this thread arguing with each other. I don’t think that’s going to be helpful here.

i'm not just trying to argue with her, i'm trying to convince people that i'm town. i'm not convinced that we can win this unless we lynch correctly today, so i need people to believe me.

[Micc]

actually can't a doctor just claim here? If they do that supports tne's claim and we lynch NSG. If NSG turns up town then scum team is TNE and whoever claimed doc. If NSG flips scum then sweet we lynched scum.

If no one is a doc here then TNE is confirmed scum and we lynch her.

obviously no one claim anything yet. this is me thinking out loud.

They actually nokilled night one

You can guess the story after that

I really don't remember much except that

...and that player you were thinking was confirmed town by being the nightkill target as actually scum. I see.

[Micc]

and while I'm here, now would be the time for you guys to pull out day 1 breadcrumbs if you left them.

[northsidegal]

the very second post i made was in regards to me being bulletproof. i explained a little more clearly in 65, but voyc's 31 seemed like rolefishing to me given what scarlet had picked up on and implied. i also thought scarlet picked up on me being bulletproof because she was the tracker, which is why i put her on the same level as me in my readslist:

i've had a few games finish over the past few days so i should be able to devote a bit more time to this game. this is what i'm feeling right now:
{nsg, scarlet}
{micc, acid}
{tne, ohana}
{zitto, godel, voyc}

[Micc]

Why does scarlet picking up on your bulletproof crumbing lead to you thinking she's a tracker?

[thenewearth]

I didn't like day1 breadcrumbs ever since I started so I didn't put any

Makes you more targettable when you're PR

[northsidegal]

Why does scarlet picking up on your bulletproof crumbing lead to you thinking she's a tracker?

the way she saw it so obviously made it look like she had info from the setup that a bulletproof was in the game, and the exact converse had just happened to me in a game that finished recently where i was the bulletproof looking at someone else's tracker claim. i think there was a crumb or a hint somewhere that made me think she was tracker over jailkeeper, but it might have just been me still in the mindset of that last game - either one pointed to a pr, anyways. i'll go back and look.

[Micc]

@Tne, for what it's worth my theory opinion leans in the direction as well, but that doesn't stop me from asking.

Thoughts on having the doc claim here with regards to what I wrote in 291?

Why does scarlet picking up on your bulletproof crumbing lead to you thinking she's a tracker?

the way she saw it so obviously made it look like she had info from the setup that a bulletproof was in the game, and the exact converse had just happened to me in a game that finished recently where i was the bulletproof looking at someone else's tracker claim. i think there was a crumb or a hint somewhere that made me think she was tracker over jailkeeper, but it might have just been me still in the mindset of that last game - either one pointed to a pr, anyways. i'll go back and look.

Don't scum have an incentive to look for and recognize PR tells as well? Did scarlet being scum cross your mind?

[northsidegal]

Don't scum have an incentive to look for and recognize PR tells as well? Did scarlet being scum cross your mind?

honestly, not really. like, combined with scarlet just seeming really towny to me, i feel like scum would try to give as little indication as possible that they'd picked up on something like that - they'd just share it with their scumbuddy. yeah, maybe it could just be a newbie thing but it really didn't seem that way to me. looking at what she said about me in 152 gives me the obvious impression that she wanted

me

to know that

she

knew, and i don't see why scum would do that.

[Micc]

So yeah, I find myself thinking that its right to have a doctor claim here if they exist. It guarantees that we either lynch correctly today or have the scum team handed to us on a silver platter. We could accomplish the same thing by having a jailkeeper claim here if they exist, but doc+tracker is a stronger combination to have outed than jailkeeper+bulletproof because the latter likely leaves a mafia roleblocker alive.

The worst thing that could happen by having a doctor claim if they exist is going into Night 2 with outed doc+tracker versus 1 scum. That's a good place to be. Not auto win-but certainly a good place to be.