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Except none of you really know me, so I don't know why I'm saying I'm back.“Why was I chosen?'
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VOTE: Brian Skies
There's a person I am familiar with.“Why was I chosen?'
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Couple things:In post 37, Wickedestjr wrote:
This game is progressing at an alarmingly slow pace. And if everyone does nothing, then nothing is going to happen. Keep in mind that almost half of the people here are fine with thatIn post 35, Maki Harukawa wrote:Can we not do useless gambits like this that lead us no where at all typerpetuating. What do you propose instead?
Unvote. Vote: Maki Harukawa
Don't see any town intent behind your post.
1. Before I left (granted, this was a while ago, but still, I'm assuming it applies here), games always progressed very slowly. Last game I was involved with was a modded game and I sent out far more prods than I thought I'd need to. It appears to just be the state of the forum now.
2. For you to vote someone who called you out on a terrible idea shows that you're defensive. Any other game, and I'd vote you. But I don't feel like carelessly spreading a vote.
Anyways, a bit about what I've seen as the strategy/theory behind this setup.
First off, treat every person as if they were hated. If someone's at L-1, scum can QH and then sacrifice that member the next night. You can't use "If they QH, then we lynch them next" as a valid strategy.
Second, watch out for major distancing. That was a huge scumtell in both of the first two iterations; even more so than in most games. Not exactly sure why, but it's worth noting.
Finally, last thing. In the game that the scum won (first), there was a huge bussing factor. This goes along with the former point, but one of the most universally townread slots (Rena, if you read the game) bussed one of her teammates for at least half of each day she was a part of (replaced in), and the other member who survived the entire time (Thief) also bussed, many times following Rena.“Why was I chosen?'
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@Mod: Wicked mentioned it earlier, and I'm also curious. Are there any restrictions on self-votes?“Why was I chosen?'
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Naturally. Thanks for the clarification.In post 40, fferyllt wrote:In post 39, DiamondSentinel wrote:@Mod: Wicked mentioned it earlier, and I'm also curious. Are there any restrictions on self-votes?Players can self-vote, but are cautioned to play to their win condition.
Alright, so there we have it. Town seems to be at a much larger disadvantage than I had originally anticipated.“Why was I chosen?'
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What do you mean? Is this you asking what I bring to the table or something? Because I've never claimed that I was good at mafia.In post 42, Lycanfire wrote:
Why are you all good at mafia?Brian Skies
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I'm always refined with when I place my vote, outside of RVS. It messing with vote analysis later on. And anyways, I think that he's lynchbait, ergo a poor player, more than scum.In post 43, kunkstar7 wrote:It's not much but having perused the last few iterations I was looking to see what Wickedestjr would bring up in regards to his opinion of the setup, and his post about it seems to match his modnotes on his run of the setup. It's an easy thing to do for both alignments but it's about keeping him honest in my opinion. I'd wait to see Wisdon's input but he doesn't have as much to compare to.
This is a curious sentiment to me, why is an early vote like this careless? Don't give me "the setup" as an excuse, it's 7 to lynch.In post 38, DiamondSentinel wrote:Any other game, and I'd vote you. But I don't feel like carelessly spreading a vote.“Why was I chosen?'
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Oh, no no no. I wasn't saying that them being unable to self-vote was a liability. Rather, I was talking about scum being able to self-hammer. I had sort of anticipated that you couldn't self-vote as scum due to the whole "best two out of three" thing (for some reason, I associated it with cheating in this battle of wits).In post 47, Wickedestjr wrote:
First of all, my experience has been different. I can't remember being part of a game that felt this tumbleweed-ish right after the game started; I found this very surprising (luckily it's picking up now). Secondly, even if you are right about this, I don't see why it matters. We have a deadline, so we should be trying to get out of RVS as soon as we can - doesn't matter what other games are doing.In post 38, DiamondSentinel wrote:Couple things:
1. Before I left (granted, this was a while ago, but still, I'm assuming it applies here), games always progressed very slowly. Last game I was involved with was a modded game and I sent out far more prods than I thought I'd need to. It appears to just be the state of the forum now.
There is so much wrong with this.In post 38, DiamondSentinel wrote:2. For you to vote someone who called you out on a terrible idea shows that you're defensive. Any other game, and I'd vote you. But I don't feel like carelessly spreading a vote.
*It's okay to be defensive if the 'attack' is scummy. (You kind of ignored my reason for voting her and just wrote it off as defensiveness)
*Not sure that defensiveness is a scum tell anyway. People should defend themselves.
*As long as nobody gets put at L-1 prematurely, then we're good. No need for so much caution.
Why is town's inability to self-vote making this a greater disadvantage? Or is that a non-sequitur?In post 41, DiamondSentinel wrote:
Naturally. Thanks for the clarification.In post 40, fferyllt wrote:In post 39, DiamondSentinel wrote:@Mod: Wicked mentioned it earlier, and I'm also curious. Are there any restrictions on self-votes?Players can self-vote, but are cautioned to play to their win condition.
Alright, so there we have it. Town seems to be at a much larger disadvantage than I had originally anticipated.
As for your other parts, the first part I don't have much of a retort to. As you said, experiences differ. But the second, I'm saying you seem either scummy or just a subpar player. Prove me wrong, though.
PEdit: Gambit didn't lead us anywhere. The conversation about said gambit did.“Why was I chosen?'
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We were in FakeGod's D&D together and we've been in a couple games....
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Only 1 scum!read? Do you mind elaborating on why you read everyone how you do?In post 67, Wisdom wrote:Not_Mafia - who
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Carcalilly - who
Maki Harukawa - town
Wickedestjr - town
Lycanfire - null
Brian Skies - null
acidphoenix - nulltown
UC Voyager - town
DiamondSentinel - town
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#page3reads“Why was I chosen?'
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You're saying words. I don't know what those words mean.In post 77, acidphoenix wrote:oh hell what is that post
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No no no, I meant you being the we in your statement, ergo the implication that you're on the scumteam.“Why was I chosen?'
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1. I always vote lynchbait D1. D1 rarely gets a decent lynch anyways, so might as well thin the stupidity in the thread D1. I don't really feel like that's what we should do here, though. If you want me to vote you, I can do that.In post 105, Wickedestjr wrote:Unvote. Vote: DiamondSentinel
-Contradicted himself by saying I'm a poor player/lynchbait but also that he'd have voted me if this were a regular game.
-Don't like how he discredited my gambit or my vote for Maki.
-Ignoring my questions in 50-51.
-His exchange with acid phoenix on page 4 is just weird. Diamond, what are you trying to do there? Are you trying to say that you think acid is scum?
And I think his actions are suspicious regardless of Maki's alignment, but I could definitely see him and Maki being scum together.
2. I didn't discredit it, as there was no credit or merit due it in the first place.
3. What question?
4. Yes, acid is quite obviously scum. As for why I'm not voting him in the first place? Eh, good point.
VOTE: acid“Why was I chosen?'
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I'm not judging the fact that you're blind, however, this does strike me as a bit off. Maybe forced to try and give yourself towncred?
I dunno. FOS: Maki“Why was I chosen?'
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I have said that acid is scummy before. As for why? I can't point it out. He's just scummy.In post 126, Wickedestjr wrote:
Oh good strategy. That's too bad that we can't do that in this game because my stupidity is just a huge liability in every game that I join.In post 108, DiamondSentinel wrote:
I always vote lynchbait D1. D1 rarely gets a decent lynch anyways, so might as well thin the stupidity in the thread D1. I don't really feel like that's what we should do here, though.In post 105, Wickedestjr wrote:-Contradicted himself by saying I'm a poor player/lynchbait but also that he'd have voted me if this were a regular game.
What the?In post 108, DiamondSentinel wrote:If you want me to vote you, I can do that.
The ones in posts 50-51. With the question marks.In post 108, DiamondSentinel wrote:
What question?In post 105, Wickedestjr wrote:-Ignoring my questions in 50-51.
Huh. You think acid is quite obviously scum but you just forgot to mention that and neglected to vote for him until now? Why is he quite obviously scum?In post 108, DiamondSentinel wrote:Yes, acid is quite obviously scum. As for why I'm not voting him in the first place? Eh, good point.
VOTE: acid
I'll look for this mysterious question that I somehow missed.“Why was I chosen?'
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50-51 isn't a question. It's a statement that my opinion doesn't make sense. Dear lord, use proper reason for once.“Why was I chosen?'
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Hmm, didn't explicitly state it, but my palpable distaste for his "reasoning" was what I had intended as it.In post 130, Wickedestjr wrote:
Really, where?In post 128, DiamondSentinel wrote:I have said that acid is scummy before.
That's helpful.DiamondSentinel wrote:As for why? I can't point it out. He's just scummy.“Why was I chosen?'
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Gambit? I don't believe it for a second
Town that honestly believe you had figured out all scum? Sure, I'll buy that
Something else? Yes, I think that you are too loud for your own good and you're going to try to take charge of the game and drive it into the ground. So either you're scum and trying to take charge to ruin town, or you're town and going to lead us into the ground.“Why was I chosen?'
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You don't believe me that I think you're being incompetent here?In post 141, Wickedestjr wrote:
Well itIn post 133, DiamondSentinel wrote:Gambit? I don't believe it for a secondwasa gambit. Why is that hard to believe? If I honestly believed that I figured out all five scum then I probably would have revealed those names by now.
Yeah I don't believe you.DiamondSentinel wrote:Town that honestly believe you had figured out all scum? Sure, I'll buy that
Ever heard of "Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity"? Doesn't apply perfectly, but this is the general thought.
Anyways, my belief here is more that you are just flat out wrong rather than scum.
PEdit: Of course, I'm not entirely sure, as last time I dismissed someone for being inept, it gave Dwlee a pretty easy win.“Why was I chosen?'
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I know that I've played with you before, but I can't remember your playstyle, so I am not dismissing any possible tactics.In post 146, Maki Harukawa wrote:
I would like to hope you aren't serious in thinking I'd resort to that trick of all things to get towncred.In post 125, DiamondSentinel wrote:I'm not judging the fact that you're blind, however, this does strike me as a bit off. Maybe forced to try and give yourself towncred?
I dunno. FOS: Maki“Why was I chosen?'
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VOTE: WickedIn post 169, Wickedestjr wrote:
At this point I can't tell if you are pretending to not understand what I'm saying or if you actually don't see what I was attempting there.In post 119, Maki Harukawa wrote:
You were doing a useless gambit for no reason it's not one of the 2 it's the same. As I already said it was very clear you were doing a useless gambit and normally if you did this on page 20/30 (as I already said) this would be fine but you're doing it on page 2 where people have 0-5 posts you don't know all the scum nor do any other townies it's just asking for random names at that point and doesn't help what so ever. That's why I shut it down.In post 103, Wickedestjr wrote:So first you say I made the post as a gambit. Now you're saying I did it for no reason. Which is it?
If you are town and you really thought that I was doing a gambit, then I still don't see why you felt the need to try shutting it down. There was absolutely no discussion happening at that point, so to say that my gambit was getting in the way of something or slowing down the game is just unreasonable.
A gambit is... "a device, action, or opening remark, typically one entailing a degree of risk, that is calculatedto gain an advantage."
So if you really think it was a gambit, then it doesn't make sense for you to also believe it had no purpose. How can you say "it was a useless gambit for no reason" ? The desired 'advantage' in this case was that it would cause serious discussion to begin.
Fwiw, it worked out very well the last time that I did it: discussion started and I correctly scum read 2 out of 3 scum shortly after doing it.
I don't need to tell you why my read on you has changed, do I?“Why was I chosen?'
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Familiar as in one game, in which I was a SK/3P?In post 176, Wickedestjr wrote:
I'm familiar with DS and, based on my experience, I believe that he would do suspicious-looking things as either alignment - that doesn't mean he should always be un-lynchable. He still draws scum 5/12 of the time and I've explained why I think he is here, so this is a lame way to undermine the wagon. His behavior surrounding his acid phoenix read is the scummiest thing that's happened in this thread and, even for someone with a play style like his, I can't see it being town.Wisdom wrote:and yes, ds can do that as town - evidently you arent familiar with him and you think hes pushable lynchbait
How would you expect him to behave here as scum?
Yeah, that's just flat out not-true. You haven't seen my town game, you haven't even seen my mafia game.
Next time you lie like that, at least make sure that it's not something that's checkable by a simple ISO“Why was I chosen?'
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1 game does not make you familiar, in the slightest, and you should know this. You're trying to gain credibility when you've no idea what you're talking about.In post 183, Wickedestjr wrote:
Familiar as in this isn't my first game with you.In post 181, DiamondSentinel wrote:
Familiar as in one game, in which I was a SK/3P?In post 176, Wickedestjr wrote:
I'm familiar with DS and, based on my experience, I believe that he would do suspicious-looking things as either alignment - that doesn't mean he should always be un-lynchable. He still draws scum 5/12 of the time and I've explained why I think he is here, so this is a lame way to undermine the wagon. His behavior surrounding his acid phoenix read is the scummiest thing that's happened in this thread and, even for someone with a play style like his, I can't see it being town.Wisdom wrote:and yes, ds can do that as town - evidently you arent familiar with him and you think hes pushable lynchbait
How would you expect him to behave here as scum?
Yeah, that's just flat out not-true. You haven't seen my town game, you haven't even seen my mafia game.
Next time you lie like that, at least make sure that it's not something that's checkable by a simple ISO
I never said that I had seen your town game or mafia game. So what am I lying about? Maybe read my post again.“Why was I chosen?'
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Yeah, you're not missing much. People arguing about a lot of stuff but not actually getting anywhere.In post 202, Wisdom wrote:oh look, walls i wont read
In other news, I'm gonna do a reread/ISO of the thread and try to give a full readlist by the end of the day, to try and stimulate some activity, but I'm a bit busy designing my own game. Also, school.“Why was I chosen?'
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That's a hell of a lot of scum.In post 206, Not_Mafia wrote:Not_Mafia - Scum
Wisdom- Who knows
Carcalilly- Don't know who this is.
Maki Harukawa- Lots of words, not saying much
Wickedestjr- Scum
Lycanfire- Scum
Brian Skies- Scum
acidphoenix- Scum
UC Voyager-Scum
DiamondSentinel- Still not sure if tone is scum or not
Chara- meh
kunkstar7- Don't know who this is
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Oh wait. I forgot this is like 5-7 scum to town. Yeah. I was thinking this had a normal scum size.In post 219, Not_Mafia wrote:
It’s notIn post 212, DiamondSentinel wrote:
That's a hell of a lot of scum.In post 206, Not_Mafia wrote:Not_Mafia - Scum
Wisdom- Who knows
Carcalilly- Don't know who this is.
Maki Harukawa- Lots of words, not saying much
Wickedestjr- Scum
Lycanfire- Scum
Brian Skies- Scum
acidphoenix- Scum
UC Voyager-Scum
DiamondSentinel- Still not sure if tone is scum or not
Chara- meh
kunkstar7- Don't know who this is
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My bad. A bit rude. Mulch, stop spamming. You had 4 posts in 2 minutes. And no content besides "bwuuuuu lynch Acid"“Why was I chosen?'
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He's being obnoxious for no reason, and reading his previous posts, he has a history of doing that. It would be nice for him to not do that. Shitposting doesn't help anything.
PEdit: Your continued spamming has ensured I will not, and makes me want to lynch you more.“Why was I chosen?'
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Read the fucking setup Mulch.
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So basically you need rope.
First wicked, then you. Don't worry, you'll get your turn.
Just to make sure VOTE: Wicked“Why was I chosen?'
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You would also know this if you're town because it's in the god damn setup.In post 302, Mulch wrote:
Hey- woulden't I know this if I was scum?In post 281, DiamondSentinel wrote:Read the fucking setup Mulch.
So you think I'm town or scum?
Therefore, it's super fake.
QED: You're scum.“Why was I chosen?'
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So you're voting him because you think he can't possibly read me well despite the fact that you've played exactly 1 game with me, while he has played multiple.In post 326, Wickedestjr wrote:
Eh... I can't remember ever seeing a reads list like that before. See my 322.In post 321, Chara wrote:i think this "willingness to lynch" point doesn't amount to much. it's common practice to PoE or put scumleans or even null reads into a 'will lynch' pile.
I talked about this yesterday, I believe.In post 321, Chara wrote:why is Wisdom scum?
It is in large part based on my read of Diamond, still. He has expressed an unusual amount of confidence in Diamond being town - so confident that that seems to be a big part of his vote for me - even though he couldn't give any reasons besides "looks like town Diamond". He also criticized my vote by trying to paint Diamond as low hanging fruit, but there are several big holes in that thought process. Also, based on my past experience with Wisdom, I don't think it makes sense for him to be scum-reading me this strongly for my Diamond vote.
Well, this is some class A shitty reasoning.“Why was I chosen?'
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There's a difference between using a general feel from ages ago and using a specific action they take from ages ago.In post 336, Wickedestjr wrote:
This is ridiculous Wisdom. I have a weak scum read on you and I'm the one who's pretending? How about you voting me on page 8 and saying "I've seen enough" ? You can't undermine your own experience with me and at the same time have so much confidence that I'm scum on page eight.In post 333, Wisdom wrote:
This is crap, you have like two games with me and they were ages agoIn post 326, Wickedestjr wrote:It is in large part based on my read of Diamond, still. He has expressed an unusual amount of confidence in Diamond being town - so confident that that seems to be a big part of his vote for me - even though he couldn't give any reasons besides "looks like town Diamond". He also criticized my vote by trying to paint Diamond as low hanging fruit, but there are several big holes in that thought process. Also, based on my past experience with Wisdom, I don't think it makes sense for him to be scum-reading me this strongly for my Diamond vote.
Dont pretend you can read me
And you even tried using one of those games against me by referencing my gambit in a game from 'ages ago'.You say those games were "ages ago" and not worth thinking about, yet you went out of your way to use one of them against me earlier!
Also this post reads as if you're considering my meta:And if so, you would have to be considering those games from 'ages ago'. Because you said you don't read games you're not in.
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you're*In post 341, Mulch wrote:
Your scumIn post 329, Wisdom wrote:
Hes just fakingIn post 281, DiamondSentinel wrote:Read the fucking setup Mulch.“Why was I chosen?'
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RC isn't banned.
Anyways, good lord, 4 pages of exclusively shitposting from essentially 2 people. This is awful.“Why was I chosen?'
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I've told you no. Until I see a sizable following from the rest of the town besides you two idiots, I will never even consider it (unless I see something that just makes him completely obviously scum)In post 463, Mulch wrote:
Sheep me on acidIn post 460, DiamondSentinel wrote:RC isn't banned.
Anyways, good lord, 4 pages of exclusively shitposting from essentially 2 people. This is awful.“Why was I chosen?'
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This post contains more content than the entirety of Mulch and Michael's ISO.In post 509, UC Voyager wrote:asnkjsdnkjfbsdk“Why was I chosen?'
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Alright. I've tried ignoring it. I've tried dealing with it maturely. I've tried waiting through this entire day and talking to the mod about this, but this is fucking ridiculous.
I have permission from the mod to request to start a WotC movement to force-replace Mulch (and/or Michael). This has gone on for 4 days of exclusively shitposting and spamming. There was never much activity, but they are making this even worse. If you are in support of a WotC movement to force-replace them, then please reply to this message in the affirmative. If I'm the only one in support of this, then so be it, and I will likely replace out, as I can not stand to be in this game with them any longer. This has only gotten worse and worse.“Why was I chosen?'
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fferyllt is not to blame for this whatsoever. If Mulch has a problem, they can take it up with me.In post 600, Not_Mafia wrote:Okay never mind I reread Diamond's post, but you did this to yourself Mulch“Why was I chosen?'
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Anyways, let's be done talking about this sort of stuff and get back to the game at hand.
Looking at those hideous game exchanges, I'm tempted to put Not_Mafia as null!town, although I'm curious how they managed to keep up motivation to post that entire time.“Why was I chosen?'
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I townread Maki for other reasons, but that really doesn't look like a townslip, considering the rules explicitely state that they do not have daychat (check the Mafia's rolecards).
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@mod: If there is a NL (first time only), do we still go through with the full night phase, even though mafia can't kill? Or is it essentially "There was no lynch D1, and now it's D2"?“Why was I chosen?'
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@Voimi, not to rush you, but you've been in for almost a day now. You got a read done and some reads?“Why was I chosen?'
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Why should I care whether a read is gut or not? If someone says "Oh, it's a gut read" either it's a gut read or they're lying, and you won't get anything from them either way.In post 677, Dunnstral wrote:
Just a feeling, i didn't really go into it, mostly diamond felt awkward and wisdom feels scummy while acid is pointing diamond out and he feels towny while people are saying he's scummy without any real reason, almost like they're trying to strongarm a mislynchIn post 660, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:
Why? Why? and Why?In post 659, Dunnstral wrote:I'm townreading acid, diamond and wisdom both lean scum for me individually
There isn't really any analysis of play here though, diamond asks wisdom a surface level question, wisdom gives a surface level answer, diamond drops itIn post 663, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:In post 69, DiamondSentinel wrote:
Only 1 scum!read? Do you mind elaborating on why you read everyone how you do?In post 67, Wisdom wrote:Not_Mafia - who
Wisdom
Carcalilly - who
Maki Harukawa - town
Wickedestjr - town
Lycanfire - null
Brian Skies - null
acidphoenix - nulltown
UC Voyager - town
DiamondSentinel - town
Chara - town
kunkstar7 - scummy
#page3readsIn post 70, Wisdom wrote:gut
hmmm, was going through DS's ISO to verify, but i found this.In post 71, DiamondSentinel wrote:Eh, can't argue with that.“Why was I chosen?'
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Almost all of my reads are gut. I don't understand whatever shitty "logic" the meta propagates, so I just go with what fits the most at the time. If I can't explain my reads, then why should I expect anyone else to?In post 683, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:
Huh?In post 682, DiamondSentinel wrote:Why should I care whether a read is gut or not? If someone says "Oh, it's a gut read" either it's a gut read or they're lying, and you won't get anything from them either way.
Im fairly sure i've been asked often about where my gut reads from, but it seems like you didnt care.“Why was I chosen?'
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My gut is currently telling me that I'm annoyed at your (collectively) perpetual questioning (not to mention the circlejerk of people joining together and refusing to even contemplate the possibility of each other being scum. You DR people have done it pretty well so far, and Mulch and Michael did it too). Of course you can find something scummy when you question someone incessantly.In post 687, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:
Ok then, what is your gut currently telling you?In post 686, DiamondSentinel wrote:Almost all of my reads are gut. I don't understand whatever shitty "logic" the meta propagates, so I just go with what fits the most at the time. If I can't explain my reads, then why should I expect anyone else to?“Why was I chosen?'
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Ah, yes. Another person hiding behind shitty reasoning and an alt/hydra. Just what we need on this community some more.In post 696, Shuichi Saihara wrote:Here's where I'm at
Wick not sure? hated him scumhunting off his wagon. really disagree with some of his lines of attack on kunk.
acid crazy enough to be town? reaction tests are really shit though i'd have shouted him down if i was here and been scumread for it.
Wis idfk, i really really want to hear a solid damn reason for his endless DS defense. I know he's lynchbait but that doesn't mean this can't be the time he's scum.
diamond scum
lycan fucking insane. think his absurdly in depth reading into rqs could be scum trying to look too ridiculous to be scum
brian scum, who replaced this?
kunk scum for 154 hasn't improved since
chara is a little town for tonal reasons and needlessly defending her own semantics
kaede seems town, but i'm still bothered by her predecessor.
I'm gonna say all of those reads except maybe Chara's is bullshit. Wisdom is obviously town, so to say "Oh, I can't read him" is you just being lazy or scum. Latter is my guess.
Let me check who you replaced in for, because if they were also on my scumlist, I'm parking my vote firmly on you.“Why was I chosen?'
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Hmm, UC Voyager. A solid null. Well, until wicked gets back here to get grilled some more, it'll stay there, but you're up soon.“Why was I chosen?'
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I can read wisdom like a book. I've been in 4 games with him and have never been wrong, even for a second (and even when we were on competing scumteams).In post 709, Dunnstral wrote:
lol?In post 705, DiamondSentinel wrote:Ah, yes. Another person hiding behind shitty reasoning and an alt/hydra.
How/why is wisdom "obviously town"“Why was I chosen?'
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Yeah... I can't exactly help it this game. It's the epitome of everything that I left the site for the first time around.In post 711, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:
Well I know this isnt directed at me, but seriously, stop it, im trying to read you, but all i get is complaints about the alts and stuff.In post 705, DiamondSentinel wrote:Another person hiding behind shitty reasoning and an alt/hydra.“Why was I chosen?'
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Correction: I'm using the fact that he has possibly one legitimate read to scumread him.In post 715, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:Also these:In post 705, DiamondSentinel wrote:Wisdom is obviously town, so to say "Oh, I can't read him" is you just being lazy or scum.
Kinda dont fit.In post 712, DiamondSentinel wrote:I can read wisdom like a book. I've been in 4 games with him and have never been wrong, even for a second (and even when we were on competing scumteams).
You're using the fact that you can read Wisdom as an excuse to scumread shuichi for not being able to read him.“Why was I chosen?'
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Hello there. Miu died and Viomi was scum. Well, that happened.
I'm gonna have to ISO miu to see if there's even anything worth pulling from their death. tbh, I can't even remember who they are, and I ISO'd myself, and the word miu never shows up once in it. Well shit.
Anyways, it'll take me a sec to gather my thoughts and all. Can't remember much of what happened last gameday.
PEdit: So would I, Maki. So would I.“Why was I chosen?'
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Someone engage with me. I hate lurking, but I can't find anything I care to comment on right now.
I could try to give another read list, see if that'll fix things. But as it is, my head is hurting too much trying to remember what happened yesterday and so my reads are skewed.
As it is, Chara's sitting at town, Wisdom's at town, Shuichi's at null!scum, wicked still scum, and blondie and Maki are sitting at solid nulls.“Why was I chosen?'
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I really don't have much to talk about. Usually I've got a lot to say in my games and I'm one of the most active posters, but this one I'm just.... not.In post 1158, Lycanfire wrote:kaede constant 'game doesn't make sense' is shitcommentary
chara+kaede+shuichi drawing attention to the nk is bad. diamond's was bad, but diamond isn't trying to get the town to guess why.
get rid of your nullsIn post 1129, DiamondSentinel wrote:Someone engage with me. I hate lurking, but I can't find anything I care to comment on right now.
I could try to give another read list, see if that'll fix things. But as it is, my head is hurting too much trying to remember what happened yesterday and so my reads are skewed.
As it is, Chara's sitting at town, Wisdom's at town, Shuichi's at null!scum, wicked still scum, and blondie and Maki are sitting at solid nulls.
do you really have nothing to talk about? i could vomit a lot of viewpoints atm, but i'm not sure what would be noise and what would communicate the direction i want to move in. if you have nothing on the table, should you have the same concern?
for instance (and everybody at home can play this game too) which of these posts seem genuine to you?
In post 1098, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:
This is a good point.In post 1092, Shuichi Saihara wrote:And to address everyone suspecting kunkstar today, explain to me why he casts the L-1 vote for viomi with Dunn visibly wavering unless he's also scum with wicked in which case vote there first.
But then, why is he going after wicked still?
Like idgi, let's assume for a momment that wicked's gonna flip scum, why does kunstar still go after Wicked today if they are both scum.
Actually it doesnt make sense for kunkstar scum to do that either... ugh im just second guessing myself again
UNVOTE:In post 1086, Dunnstral wrote:Hi maki, want to talk about reads? Consider than an invitation, because I want to talk about your reads and mine with you. Who should we lynch from your perspective? Why do you suspect kunk?In post 1100, Maki Harukawa wrote:Acids interactions with me make me town and I was one of the first ones to want them lynched I don't think you can call me scum here.
Do people think Wicked is scum? Why feeling fine on my Shuichi sr nowIn post 1130, Shuichi Saihara wrote:Christ why don't you all just lynch me already, if this isn't obvtown I have no fucking idea what is.
I shouldn't let that post be the straw that breaks it because diamond is just scum but this is getting old. I've been nothing but an asset to this town.In post 1138, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:Uhh, I thought lurking Maki was town Maki? or did I get that wrong. Well she will probably say I shouldn't use meta to read her anyway.
But, what If you're scum trying to get a point?.
Although Sushi i can probably trust.
Anyways, as for the genuine posts:
612: I can't tell if it's genuine or not. It's terrible reasoning, but that's not indicative.
1098: Irks me a bit. I want to believe it's genuine (mostly for that third line), but the rest of it leads me to believe it's not.
1086: Seems genuine enough. I just need more content from Dunnstral.
1100: I don't care if this is genuine or not, I hate people saying "omg im so town"
1130: I would love to make Shuichi eat rope for this post alone. I'm torn between Wicked and Shuichi. Personally, I want a Shuichi lynch more than anything, but I see Wicked as the more likely wagon.
1138: I don't like that post. Doesn't say much, non-committal, etc. As it is, I'm tempted to say it's not genuine.“Why was I chosen?'
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My vote will be on wicked or shuichi. Put one to L-1 and I'll hammer.In post 1165, Wisdom wrote:ds. wheres your vote.
Preferably shuichi.“Why was I chosen?'
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