Mini 1975: A Village in the Woods (Game Over!)

[Hopkirk]

Are you saying Raya's list is too similar to yours, or that Raya doesn't takes controversial stances while you do?

I'm saying it looks a lot like mine. I'm saying that I feel that her reads seem very mean (the academic mean, not the emotion) Town without providing a lot of content to the discussion.

Mutant's list gave me a different kind of pause because of no declared strong reads but Mutant's added stuff to the conversation.

Raya reads like "I'm coasting, better do something". It's not good.

-- Ghost

There isn't a single name Raya puts into the same section you did. Can you elaborate on how it looks a lot like yours?

[Hopkirk]

Ghostly Penguin townreading pretty much the entire Raya wagon strikes me as... uh, odd. Right?

Not sure.

In light of this, do you dislike anything about the wagon construction?

VOTE: PMysterious

I heard if you howl loud enough, it'll cause an avalanche of votes.

I forgot that ABR is what I'll call a 'terse' player; that'll make him hard to read. I do like his posting, however, so that's a thing.

PM: Since I don't see mod lightning bolts coming from the sky, I can presume that Rule 11 is something that the mod can amuse themselves with with the number of players who confirm incorrectly.

The better question is: do you find Rule 11 breakers/adherents AI in any way?

-Ghost

I don't really know what AI means. If I did, I would be able to answer the question directly, but if you were to ask me, Rule 11 is a pointless rule if there is no punishment. There's nothing to be gained from people breaking Rule 11, or even following Rule 11, other than they were either excited to play or didn't actually check the thread and just their Role PM.

PM's response here is repetitively straightforward, and sure, assume they don't know what AI means and that's not bullshitting, since a player playing that dumb or being that out of the loop is a stupid reason for a read.

PM has Three posts.
First is RVS.
Second is about Rule 11 when people are talking about it.
Third is about Rule 11 when it has been discussed, and without comments on anything else.
Don't like the lack of contribution in the third given the second.

But doesn't it show a progression on what he's thinking about in regards to rule 11? He isn't really contributing, but is it necessarily scummy?

Necessarily scummy? No.
Needs more attention? Yes.

Doesn't read as a natural progression in the context of what else is happening, but that could just be because its a slow game.

Hop, need you on Raya

I don't really get why their posts are hollow.

Townlean on Kirk and Joey. I was considering this as well but I ended up dismissing it since it wasn't a strong tell either way. I came to a similar conclusion to Joey. Vanilla townies would probably be less inclined to read the rules thoroughly than power roles and scum but it kind of just landed us in a position where we would be seperating power roles with scum from vanilla (using just that logic of course) which wouldn't do us much good. Plus like Joey said, there are other factors that can affect this too.

Pedit: good catch Dreal. Slightly lowering my townlean on kirk.

Pedit2:

You have the first content post in their ISO; enters with a townlean on Kirk and Joey. Shows independent thought in identifying with Joey's side of it rather than Kirk's, but it also strays into the sheep zone as you near the end of that first paragraph. That in of itself isn't scummy; it's moreso that they have that little p-edit there lowering their townlean on kirk for the mafia chat "slip" but not really re-weighing the post in light of that information. It influences their read, but not to the degree where they're really willing to re-evaluate, and thus the Kirk read feels artificial.

Didn't really like the comment about the slip since I assume Raya knows scum (almost?) always have pregame chat, but why would you expect it to cause re-evaluation? Are you saying the expected town response after making this post would be to reread? I'm not sure that's strong when there's lke 3 pages.

[cytheflyguy]

I firmly believe Raya is a bad lynch. 116 142 seem to be logical responses. Mutant pings me doe. 75 seems weird but idk if that's IA. 100 feels like it's an excuse to be wishy-washy. I def want to push him.

VOTE: mutantdevle

[Raya36]

Leaning town but I definitely want to hear more from him since 90% of his iso is his conversation with joey.

[Raya36]

Forgot this on the last post

Raya, where are you standing on Dreal right now?

(That last post was in responce to this)

[Raya36]

I assume Raya knows scum (almost?) always have pregame chat

Just to clarify my stance on this now, I wasn't thinking that scum almost always have a pregame chat when I posted this since I've been playing a bit on another site lately and it's different there, but now I'm not counting this towards my read on him.

[Joey_]

Moon please reduce a bit the quality of your posts cause ill need you for the rest of the game

[Joey_]

I finished my exams and its christmas but if i had to make a list
I think thats raya’s a bad lycnh
Town:
Moon
Kirk
Ibuki

Devil
Raya

Scums:
Ghosts
Bins

[Hopkirk]

Seems similar to my current reads with Ibuki as a notable exception. What looks town from him?

[mutantdevle]

why do you town read Raya?

It's only a town lean rather than a town read but that's just semantics. The read is based on how Raya is contributing to discussion without doing anything that makes me consider them scummy. I would like them to do a little more scum hunting rather than scum reading but it's early days yet and you can't really blame anyone for not having strong reads or pushes.

[Joey_]

I feel like hes against the grain in his posts, is always relevant and concise. Hes been pointing fingers at incoherences and decrepancies while not shading people for it which seems likea genuine effort to scumhunt and try to find whats actually scummy and isnt. His vote on moon is also pretty bad, has been done in rvs too but he disnt remove it. I dont thinks its really that much of a scum play to not unvote on someone that seems townread by most. I can expand on the vote logic if you really want

[mutantdevle]

I firmly believe Raya is a bad lynch. 116 142Mutant pings me doe. 75 seems weird but idk if that's IA. 100 feels like it's an excuse to be wishy-washy. I def want to push him.

VOTE: mutantdevle

Push me in what way? I assume this is a pressure vote rather than a push for a lynch wagon but I don't really understand what you are pushing me on since you haven't really asked me any questions.

I'm guessing your problem with me is that I don't have any strong reads? If that is the case then I'm not so sure why that warrants a pressure vote. My reads aren't going to magically change from that unless players start being incredibly townie or incredibly scummy. Since reading over all the new posts today, I remarked to myself that Hopkirk looked townie. So consider my null read of him bumped up to a town read. But honestly, I'm not so sure what you are trying to achieve with your post.

[Joey_]

I feel like hes against the grain in his posts, is always relevant and concise. Hes been pointing fingers at incoherences and decrepancies while not shading people for it which seems likea genuine effort to scumhunt and try to find whats actually scummy and isnt. His vote on moon is also pretty bad, has been done in rvs too but he disnt remove it. I dont thinks its really that much of a scum play to not unvote on someone that seems townread by most. I can expand on the vote logic if you really want

Sorry the multiple typos that was on phone

[Ibuki Meowda]

hi joey

[mozamis]

100 feels like it's an excuse to be wishy-washy. I def want to push him.

seemed kinda honest to me, why would scum so openly say "not sure of my reads, guys"

[mozamis]

I finished my exams and its christmas but if i had to make a list
I think thats raya’s a bad lycnh
Town:
Moon
Kirk
Ibuki

i think th efact thats it's stalled makes an even better lynch
i get the moon an dkirk town reads, but dont see the ibuki one? could you please explain?

[mozamis]

you can't really blame anyone for not having strong reads or pushes.

cant let scum coast tho

[mozamis]

Just to clarify my stance on this now, I wasn't thinking that scum almost always have a pregame chat when I posted this since I've been playing a bit on another site lately and it's different there, but now I'm not counting this towards my read on him.

again, this is so vague

[PMysterious]

AI is 'alignment indicative' (whether it represents alignment or not) by the way.

I have to thank you for this. Now, as it retains to a few days ago, I'm going to say that Rule 11 is not AI, and that's all I'm going to say on that, and I'm not going back to this.

Now, next thing I want to address is Raya. Honestly, I'm not really getting a scum vibe from her. A lot of her posts seem like something I'd type out as well, so I can't really see anything bad about her, but that may just be me. Anyone who is currently on the Raya wagon, can you explain what you guys see that I can't?

This may just be me not in the know all that much, but to make up for it, I'll look back through again and check to see what I missed.

[mozamis]

his posts are really vague
who do you think is scum?

[Raya36]

How was or vague?

(Also, I'll be able to take this much more seriously after Christmas. I'll probably do a reread and post a bunch of thoughts then.)

[Joey_]

I finished my exams and its christmas but if i had to make a list
I think thats raya’s a bad lycnh
Town:
Moon
Kirk
Ibuki

i think th efact thats it's stalled makes an even better lynch
i get the moon an dkirk town reads, but dont see the ibuki one? could you please explain?

It was asked and addressed already

[moonbird]

Moon please reduce a bit the quality of your posts cause ill need you for the rest of the game

:dumbthink:

Leaning town but I definitely want to hear more from him since 90% of his iso is his conversation with joey.

I think it's interesting how you do interact with Dreal, from RVS to that "good catch Dreal", but don't include Dreal in your initial 111 readslist. The reads somewhat feel manufactured, justified after the fact in 116, but the reads aren't too shabby in the townzone when explained so that's kind of null. Don't like how you're namedropping how Kirk responds to Dreal's pressure but never read Dreal until now. Like eh. There's my first pick for your scumbud from outgoing associations right now in a scum!raya world.

That's completely off topic, but that's also what I had from an old post copied onto a notepad for future ref.

You have the first content post in their ISO; enters with a townlean on Kirk and Joey. Shows independent thought in identifying with Joey's side of it rather than Kirk's, but it also strays into the sheep zone as you near the end of that first paragraph. That in of itself isn't scummy; it's moreso that they have that little p-edit there lowering their townlean on kirk for the mafia chat "slip" but not really re-weighing the post in light of that information. It influences their read, but not to the degree where they're really willing to re-evaluate, and thus the Kirk read feels artificial.

Didn't really like the comment about the slip since I assume Raya knows scum (almost?) always have pregame chat, but why would you expect it to cause re-evaluation? Are you saying the expected town response after making this post would be to reread? I'm not sure that's strong when there's lke 3 pages.

I usually think reevlatuaion of a read in something like rather than knocking it down a notch is townier rather than scum if wholesome; that's more of a "in an ideal world" type note though. Given the lack of content, critical eval > offhand commentary.


Joey, you should feed my bins wagon if you're going to pocket. :^)

[Ibuki Meowda]

It was asked and addressed already

i hate to assume things but we're just going to act like he didn't read the post or something?

[cytheflyguy]

I firmly believe Raya is a bad lynch. 116 142Mutant pings me doe. 75 seems weird but idk if that's IA. 100 feels like it's an excuse to be wishy-washy. I def want to push him.

VOTE: mutantdevle

Push me in what way? I assume this is a pressure vote rather than a push for a lynch wagon but I don't really understand what you are pushing me on since you haven't really asked me any questions.

I'm guessing your problem with me is that I don't have any strong reads? If that is the case then I'm not so sure why that warrants a pressure vote. My reads aren't going to magically change from that unless players start being incredibly townie or incredibly scummy. Since reading over all the new posts today, I remarked to myself that Hopkirk looked townie. So consider my null read of him bumped up to a town read. But honestly, I'm not so sure what you are trying to achieve with your post.

I'm using push to mean pressure. I'm not saying that it's bad to not have any strong reads. I'm saying that it's bad to explain how on the fence you're going to be playing. It's like you're explaining how safe you'll be playing so that people who feel that it's scummy to vote where it is convenient, you'll point to this as a way to say how open minded you're playing. I've seen more scum than town be on the fence about reads, so this pings me.