Mini Normal 1976 - The Firsts - Night 2[End Jan 8]

[Hawk]

Acryon if you had to guess a second scum assuming we leave the claimed PRs alone who would you vote scum then?

[Mulch]

Being wrong is not AI.

According to mulch is it...

How the fuck can you say being wrong isn’t alignment indicative

Because unless somebody is cheating, nobody has perfect reads ever. I don’t know a single person who’s never been part of a mislynch. Never incorrectly read somebody as scum.

You’ve been wrong as town. So that right there should tell you that being wrong isn’t AI.

And now I’m done talking to mulch.

If someone has a history of being wrong they are more likely scum

If you lynch scum every day you are more likely town

I never said you had to have “perfect” reads

[Mulch]

After I flip, lynch

1) 2mil
2) acorn

Both who are encouraging the vigilante to shoot the cop

[profii]

Where is my vote right now? Keep up

Yeah you are voting somebody now AFTER I called you out for it. Saving face imo.

Yeah when you pointed out the even bit of the read I came round to your way of thinking but you refuse to see it.
Although I am getting town vibes from you and I’d rather we took the gamble on Mulch so you can perhaps make better use of your shot, that might be a dangerous plan

[acryon]

Acryon if you had to guess a second scum assuming we leave the claimed PRs alone who would you vote scum then?

At this point I likely wouldn't feel comfortable voting anyone non-Mulch unless it was to avoid a no-lynch. If I had to, I would say 2IAM because of posts like 486 and 488. I don't know that I'd say these posts feel scummy necessarily, but they certainly don't feel like town.

I also feel less confident on town!BuJaber than some people seem to be.

[acryon]

After I flip, lynch

1) 2mil
2) acorn

Both who are encouraging the vigilante to shoot the cop

I'm not encouraging the vig to shoot you. I'm encouraging the town to lynch you.

[Mulch]

After I flip, lynch

1) 2mil
2) acorn

Both who are encouraging the vigilante to shoot the cop

I'm not encouraging the vig to shoot you. I'm encouraging the town to lynch you.

Why?

[acryon]

After I flip, lynch

1) 2mil
2) acorn

Both who are encouraging the vigilante to shoot the cop

I'm not encouraging the vig to shoot you. I'm encouraging the town to lynch you.

Why?

Because I think you're scum. And lynching you is significantly better than shooting you because of this:

One situation is an educated kill (lynching Mulch), the other is an educated kill (shooting Mulch) plus an uneducated one (lynching someone else).

[Mulch]

Why do you think I’m scum?

[Hawk]

Your situations assume that DH won't shoot if we lynch Mulch.

[Mulch]

Your situations assume that DH won't shoot if we lynch Mulch.

Or that derpy can’t change his mind

Something’s off here

[acryon]

Why do you think I’m scum?

Because monkey's aggressiveness didn't feel town to me, and your claim was really bad.

Your situations assume that DH won't shoot if we lynch Mulch.

I don't think he will.

[acryon]

And even if he does change his mind, then it's not

that

much worse than the situation where we lynch someone else and he shoots Mulch.

[Mulch]

Why do you think I’m scum?

Because monkey's aggressiveness didn't feel town to me, and your claim was really bad.

Your situations assume that DH won't shoot if we lynch Mulch.

I don't think he will.

Hmmm

So you’ve been pushing on me the entire game because you think my claim is bad? You don’t think my posts are bad but are so confident my claim is bad that your willing to lynch an even night cop, just because you think the claim might be bad? From someone who has in the past rage done stuff like this too? You don’t find my posts scummy but think the claim is SO bad that you won’t even see if I will get nightkillef? You don’t think town might need a lot of power?

You are voting me solely on the claim and are confident to not only vote but push a lynch on it?

And your scumrrading Monley on agggrssivenss even fully aware that his aggressiveness is towny for him? You don’t think town can be aggressive?

Your push is on AGGRESIVENESS and a claim you dislike, not even content, and that’s enough for you to be SO confident to push a lynch on a cop claim?

[Mulch]

VOTE: acryon

[Mulch]

That’s the closest of a case you’ll get from me

[acryon]

Hmmm

So you’ve been pushing on me the entire game because you think my claim is bad? You don’t think my posts are bad but are so confident my claim is bad that your willing to lynch an even night cop, just because you think the claim might be bad? From someone who has in the past rage done stuff like this too? You don’t find my posts scummy but think the claim is SO bad that you won’t even see if I will get nightkillef? You don’t think town might need a lot of power?

I don't care about your meta. I do think the way you and monkey have pushed has been scummy. I think the way you've defended yourself has been scummy. I also don't think you'll be particularly helpful to the town, even if you are town so the risk feels a little lower than it might normally.

You are voting me solely on the claim and are confident to not only vote but push a lynch on it?

There is only a distinction between these two things for me because I don't want a NL.

And your scumrrading Monley on agggrssivenss even fully aware that his aggressiveness is towny for him? You don’t think town can be aggressive?

This isn't what I said. Aggressiveness can certainly be townie. I don't think his was. I also don't care about his meta.

Your push is on AGGRESIVENESS and a claim you dislike, not even content, and that’s enough for you to be SO confident to push a lynch on a cop claim?

Incorrect assumptions beget incorrect conclusions.

[Hawk]

I feel like this setup is odd....

Jodax, Psycho, and Buja all got really quiet recently but it's probably just time zone stuff.

I don't think early aggression is AI... this game started off very oddly. 2iAM and Psycho started us off then DH and Monkey continued it...

Pedit: Hyperbole, AtE, and lots of what I'm guessing are Rhetorical questions.

We've only discussed 2 power roles that's not that much power for town is it? so this right here sounds off to me...

"You don’t think town might need a lot of power?" Like what about an even night cop and a one shot vig screams "A lot"

Assumptions made based off of knowing more than they let on?

Ppedit: echo what acryon is saying

[Mulch]

So why didn’t you mention you didn’t like our pushed when I originally asked you?

I asked why you scumread me you said monkeys aggressiveness and my claim

Now it’s my pushes too? And monkeys? And you still can’t explain why you thought monkeys aggressiveness was scummy even after asked twice?

And your ignoring meta that thoroughly disproves your entire procsss?

Your full of shit

[Mulch]

People are saying vig and cop can’t be in a setup together, they can cause town needs a lot of power with 3 scum.

With 2 scum we might be 2 of the 3 power roles or something

[Hawk]

People are saying vig and cop can’t be in a setup together, they can cause town needs a lot of power with 3 scum.

With 2 scum we might be 2 of the 3 power roles or something

I'm not saying they can't. I was saying your assumption that town needs a lot of power in your big post to Acryon made me ponder your word selection.

However, Im unfamiliar with balancing so I'm not a very good judge of power in a mini.

[acryon]

So why didn’t you mention you didn’t like our pushed when I originally asked you?

I asked why you scumread me you said monkeys aggressiveness and my claim

Now it’s my pushes too? And monkeys? And you still can’t explain why you thought monkeys aggressiveness was scummy even after asked twice?

And your ignoring meta that thoroughly disproves your entire procsss?

Your full of shit

Meta never proves or disproves anything. Anyone worth a mafia penny can manipulate an argument and find games/posts to support or refute a certain style of play as a certain alignment.

The reason I am voting for you is because I don't believe your claim. The reason I don't believe your claim is because your play hasn't felt like town (read: gut feeling) and the circumstances and nature of your claim make it highly suspect.

[Hawk]

So why didn’t you mention you didn’t like our pushed when I originally asked you?

I asked why you scumread me you said monkeys aggressiveness and my claim

Now it’s my pushes too? And monkeys? And you still can’t explain why you thought monkeys aggressiveness was scummy even after asked twice?

And your ignoring meta that thoroughly disproves your entire procsss?

Your full of shit

Meta never proves or disproves anything. Anyone worth a mafia penny can manipulate an argument and find games/posts to support or refute a certain style of play as a certain alignment.

The reason I am voting for you is because I don't believe your claim. The reason I don't believe your claim is because your play hasn't felt like town (read: gut feeling) and the circumstances and nature of your claim make it highly suspect.

You're sidestepping the aggressivness/monkey argument here...

Acryon what made you question monkeys alignment on the read? your first vote was echoing 2iAMs sentiments about Mulch. Which was Nothing against Mulch everything against monkey. Meaning you agreed you didn't like monkey. Let's hear that side.

[acryon]

You're sidestepping the aggressivness/monkey argument here...

Acryon what made you question monkeys alignment on the read? your first vote was echoing 2iAMs sentiments about Mulch. Which was Nothing against Mulch everything against monkey. Meaning you agreed you didn't like monkey. Let's hear that side.

I came in and voted shortly after Mulch replaced monkey. Up to that point, Mulch's play hadn't been particularly bad (likely due to wanting to avoid coming in hot after a replace-in)

From my read-through (which I did a large chunk at a time since I was V/LA), monkey's aggressiveness felt pretty jarring to me. That seemed like a good place to put my vote to start since I dislike not having a vote out.

After the Mulch claim, my initial vote became a more "real" vote that just so happened to be on the same person. Gut based on my read-through was my reason to "soft-vote" monkey. The claim was my reason to "hard-vote" Mulch.

[profii]

Acryon - I am sort of on board with your argument that lynching Mulch means we can ‘save’ DHs shot for something else. But given his claim do you think the mafia will kill him tonight which actually just flips your scenario on its head - ie -

Educated lynch on mulch
Uneducated pot shot by DH before he gets scum killed

That probably makes me sound scummy because he is targeting me but if you think there is a scenario where DH sees the night through to gain a bit more knowledge then I’d go with a mulch lynch