Mini Normal 1980: TwoInAMillion - The First Game(Town Win!)

[Sephiroth]

There are some other players in this game right?

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, but they don’t have to show up the exact same hour we’re doing stuff. They’ll post when they can.

[Creature]

Yes, but I think this is an inherently pointless question because everyone's going to answer it this way.

Sometimes even scum are hesitant to lie.

I’m more hesitant to lie as scum than I am town. Like I said before, though, I always play to win.

Uh sure, they will have to lie and we'll have to tell whether it's a lie or not.

[Creature]

Yeah, but they don’t have to show up the exact same hour we’re doing stuff. They’ll post when they can.

It's good to make sure they won't make just a single post and disappear.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, but they don’t have to show up the exact same hour we’re doing stuff. They’ll post when they can.

It's good to make sure they won't make just a single post and disappear.

Fair enough. I just wanted to post something because I was playing with my signature. I wanted to get the “show” thing off.

[CultOfAthena]

People seem to be under the impresson that I'm the one making a big deal out of Yoshi's "Hi" – I'm not. I pointed it out as something of note in my page one reads, and he was the one who furthered the conversation and started backtracking to try to justify himself. I probably wouldn't have thought about it much going forward it if he hadn't brought it up.

Also, 129 confused me for a second – I forgot Lalendra was in this game.

I'll finish reading through and respond on a more post-by-post level when I get more time.

[TwoInAMillion]

Vote Count 1.03

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Sephiroth(5): Srceenplay, BigYoshiFan, Transcend, Stich, Fro99er(L-2)
Fro99er(1): UC Voyager(L-6)
BigYoshiFan(1): CultOfAthena(L-6)
CultOfAthena(1): Clusk92(L-6)
Clusk(1): Creature(L-6)
Not Voting(4): Lalendra, skitter30, Flavor Leaf, Sephiroth

day ends in (expired on 2018-01-07 14:49:54) or when a lynch occurs

[Srceenplay]

TownSrceen will get pushed for a mislynch mid-early late

Thanks

[Creature]

Don't worry Cult, you're being amazingly fine.

[skitter30]

OK, going through that again and more slowly:

@skitter - i forgot I naked voted Lalendra for gigs, but it didn’t elicit anything, so I forgot about it, haha.

Were you trying to get a reaction from her or from everyone else? What do you think about her?

(and also because I convinced skitter not to vote me)

Well, I did vote you in the end, but you created enough doubt that I didn't feel strong enough about it to get Serg to vote with me.

Either way, I'm pretty sure you're town here; I now have a baseline for your scumgame, and this game is sufficiently different from that one to make me think you're town. (Namely: post frequency, you're interested in getting discussion going, your posts are more emotional and reactionary instead of rationally dissecting things; you change your stances more frequently and more fluidly. Especially the last two.).

Actually I take it back. Frogger isn't scum necessarily. I misconflated something they said with something yoshi said.

What do you think about Frogger now?

To be honest, I didn't pay attention to most of the game; however, I did leave thinking you were a decent endgame player. Early game I honestly don't know how you did. Either way, one game doesn't define your meta, especially if you're self-aware.

Townpings from this. He's being honest. FL kinda set up that question to imply that he was expecting a townread from him, and Yoshi just answered it directly with what he really felt instead of answering it the way FL seemed to have wanted.

Also, Creature’s likely town. I like his fluff posts, and see them as himetting people know he’s here, and he’s trying to figure things out, but isn’t sure where to go yet, rather than him just not playing, if that makes sense.

This feels fabricated.

Why? He's completely null to me right now.

read page 6 as me knowing I know I'm town

Ok, I see where you're coming from.

I'm tending to thinking that you're town here. (Namely: for fake-hammering yourself at L-1 and keeping yourself within hammer range on page 2; I feel like scum are less likely to keep themselves in a position where it would be easy for them to get lynched there; the strength of your screen read; makes sense that you feel that strongly about him in that context).

[Fro99er]

VOTE: skitter

[Fro99er]

I feel like skitter would be far more paranoid. I think there was feigned paranoia early wrt seph, and now it's far too comfortable of a town read.

And that's just a small part of my skitter read

[Fro99er]

like go look at these three quotes from skitter's ISO in that other game, as town.

Spoiler: skitter from the other game as town

Skitter made a wagon

And ...?

Skitter made a wagon

And ...?

Like, are you going somewhere with this, or are you just making inane observations?

At least 1 scum between Dany/Wicked

What happened to HEM? (And Serg too I suppose)?

I don't see it. Flubber is a better wagon.

Are you serious about this?

Maybe because there's not really any town reason to claim scum?

There isn't really any scum reason to claim scum?

Why are you and Sephiroth taking that post seriously when it was clearly a joke?

Skitter made a wagon

And ...?

Like, are you going somewhere with this, or are you just making inane observations?

why so defensive?

I'm not being defensive. I'm trying to figure out

a) if that post had a point and why you didn't make it at the time

b) if that post didn't have a point and why you bothered to post it at all.

Basically I'm trying to figure out if that was a legitimate observation directed towards some purpose or if you're just saying things in an attempt to look busy.

There's a lot of pointed/annoyed sounding tone, such as...

"And?"

"Like, are you going somewhere with this, or are you just making inane observations?"

"Are you serious about this?"

"Why are you and Sephiroth taking that post seriously when it was clearly a joke?"

In this game, it's just all agreeable shit and the only questions are some form of "what do you think of X?" type stuff or "why does X that?" ... more generic fitting-in type Q's instead of pointed tone.

[Fro99er]

^I posted that post in the completed game of skitter's by accident multiple tabs fail.

[Fro99er]

like go look at these three quotes from skitter's ISO in that other game, as town.

Spoiler: skitter from the other game as town

Skitter made a wagon

And ...?

Skitter made a wagon

And ...?

Like, are you going somewhere with this, or are you just making inane observations?

At least 1 scum between Dany/Wicked

What happened to HEM? (And Serg too I suppose)?

I don't see it. Flubber is a better wagon.

Are you serious about this?

Maybe because there's not really any town reason to claim scum?

There isn't really any scum reason to claim scum?

Why are you and Sephiroth taking that post seriously when it was clearly a joke?

Skitter made a wagon

And ...?

Like, are you going somewhere with this, or are you just making inane observations?

why so defensive?

I'm not being defensive. I'm trying to figure out

a) if that post had a point and why you didn't make it at the time

b) if that post didn't have a point and why you bothered to post it at all.

Basically I'm trying to figure out if that was a legitimate observation directed towards some purpose or if you're just saying things in an attempt to look busy.

There's a lot of pointed/annoyed sounding tone, such as...

"And?"

"Like, are you going somewhere with this, or are you just making inane observations?"

"Are you serious about this?"

"Why are you and Sephiroth taking that post seriously when it was clearly a joke?"

In this game, it's just all agreeable shit and the only questions are some form of "what do you think of X?" type stuff or "why does X that?" ... more generic fitting-in type Q's instead of pointed tone.

let's try it this way



like go look at these three quotes from skitter's ISO in that other game, as town.

Spoiler: skitter from the other game as town

Skitter made a wagon

And ...?

Skitter made a wagon

And ...?

Like, are you going somewhere with this, or are you just making inane observations?

At least 1 scum between Dany/Wicked

What happened to HEM? (And Serg too I suppose)?

I don't see it. Flubber is a better wagon.

Are you serious about this?

Maybe because there's not really any town reason to claim scum?

There isn't really any scum reason to claim scum?

Why are you and Sephiroth taking that post seriously when it was clearly a joke?

Skitter made a wagon

And ...?

Like, are you going somewhere with this, or are you just making inane observations?

why so defensive?

I'm not being defensive. I'm trying to figure out

a) if that post had a point and why you didn't make it at the time

b) if that post didn't have a point and why you bothered to post it at all.

Basically I'm trying to figure out if that was a legitimate observation directed towards some purpose or if you're just saying things in an attempt to look busy.

There's a lot of pointed/annoyed sounding tone, such as...

"And?"

"Like, are you going somewhere with this, or are you just making inane observations?"

"Are you serious about this?"

"Why are you and Sephiroth taking that post seriously when it was clearly a joke?"

In this game, it's just all agreeable shit and the only questions are some form of "what do you think of X?" type stuff or "why does X that?" ... more generic fitting-in type Q's instead of pointed tone.

[Fro99er]

I give up on these quote things

[Fro99er]

Also, it sounds like skitter knows UCV is town here in post 20

[Fro99er]

Also I'm not buying the whole early interaction around FL's thing as town from skitter.

First (post 23) they took the FL thing as possibly serious, inquiring about it being serious. Then they doubled down on it possibly being serious in post 30. Then skitter changed to "Yes, I knew he wasn't being serious" in post 47.

Doesn't add up.



Also, post 70 is just pointless drivel.


55 asks about the second fake hammer from COA, then says they knew it was a second fake hammer in 73 but then randomly asks what the point was of a second fake hammer and never follows up on it.

[Transcend]

Guys

[Transcend]

People like playing with me because I have fun

Grow down

A question for everybody

Are you town?

No

[Transcend]

158 quote unintentional

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Skitter

I’ve been scum with you twice. I don’t fabricate as scum, no need. I have a degree in BS’ing, and you should know this.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh, good. Froggy’s calling skitts out too.

[Flavor Leaf]

viewtopic.php?p=9522015#p9522015

Look at 382/383, and hell, just look at her iso. She does do these quote wall things as scum, and pretty similarly as she is here. She even interacts with scum partners a good amount.

I’m using this to anyone who would think she’s town for those posts specifically moreso than to say she does that as scum.

[skitter30]

Lots of people did lots of incredibly stupid things that game (vigging a universal townread when there was strong evidence there may be an SK, lying about thier role, quickvoting in MYLO, lying through massclaim, lying about their role when they claimed the day after massclaim in a way that directly affected town's chances of winning the game), so getting frustrated each time someone does something stupid (self-voting, throwing out L-1 on page 2) appears to be a waste of my energy because I'd be spending waaaay too much time annoyed at people.

viewtopic.php?p=9829013#p9829013 - I decided to stop getting annoyed here when people do stupid shit because people do irrational things a lot and it's silly getting annoyed at all of them.

I don't really know what you think I'd be paranoid about here (I also don't think I was paranoid early last game. Endgame, yes. Early game, not really.)

Going off of last game, I'm pretty sure Seph is just town here. I don't especially care if you don't like the townread, but I feel most confident in this right now. His game is sufficiently different from last game that I don't think he's scum; I don't think he changed his scumgame this much in four days.

I don't understand what you're saying about UCV. Why do you think I know he's town there?

For FL, I never thought it was serious, I didn't really get why he was bringing it up in the first place, which is why I was asking him about it. There is someone on site who literally reads me like that ('she's been scum in all of my games with her so she's scum here too', for three games in a row, and I couldn't talk him out no matter what I did), but I don't exactly expect that from FL. However, it was an interesting enough statement that it was worth probing, because I'm still not sure why he felt the need to announce that he was giving me a townread at that juncture. The logic he gave wasn't really what was bothering me and I didn't take it seriously; it was the fact that he bothered to announce he was giving me a townread at all, and if it was genuine, I wanted to know what it was really based on given that the reason he gave was obviously bs.

And yes, I knew it was a second fake-hammer, which is why I asked her about it, (Again, note that it was a very general question). Namely, I understand the point of the fake-hammer - to get reactions - and that's why I didn't ask you about it once I remembered you were on the wagon (At first I thought you self-hammered and I was confused as fuck till I went back to the vc). I didn't really get the point of someone doing it *a second* time, but once she answered I realized that there was only like a five-minute difference between yours and hers, and that you had gotten to doing it first before she decided not to do it.

COA had commented about me not joining your wagon, so I explained why.

I think that's everything, but I gotta go nowish for like a day (I'm Orthodox Jewish and a Sabbath observer), but we can talk about all of that
more when I get back tomorrow night.

p-edit: @FL It felt fabricated. Yes, I've played with you as scum and I know you BS'd stuff (that's what I meant by fabricated). It feels fake. I don't know if it's scummy (which is why I didn't call it that) for you given that you often BS things, but it still feels fake.