Newbie 1845 - A New Dawn Game Over

[sheepsaysmeep]

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[Aviqf]

Ok so my experience:

I have played around 10 games on my homesite. They were all big role madness games. In the first few games, there was a good amount of game analysis taking place. But recently, it has been full shitposting. I missed playing seriously, so i came here. I have also played Town of Salem a little bit, but I know ToS and this are really different.

@Sheep I don't really care if you think my reasoning is NAI, but I'm going to stick to my knowledge.

[Aviqf]

it is definitely not avoiding avi's question

Avoiding and not answering have the same effect: the question doesn't get answered. Do we have to get into the technicalities?

[sheepsaysmeep]

he did answer the question

[sheepsaysmeep]

he did not directly avoid the question
he did not directly answer it

entirely technically correct

[Aviqf]

It's not an acceptable answer though.

[Aviqf]

Oh i forgot to answer this one:

I'm townreading Diamond because i feel all his posts have purpose, and he isnt just posting to post.

[Sunlit Diamond]

I don't think avi is scum either though. I'd like to hear more from Sunset, and something from LUV that isn't IC-flavored.

Sunset has been really quiet, hasn't she?
I want your opinion, Dia.

Saul how am I being defensive/uncertain?

Read your posts.

Is this response avoiding Avi's question?

I'm also going to start doing some ISO's, so watch for those.

Repeat after me: Activity level is NAI. I want more from Sunset so I have a shadow's chance of judging her alignment.

As for Red: his response is not specifically avoiding the question, but it is being profoundly unhelpful to town.

[Sunlit Diamond]

er. Not Red. Saul. FML.

[Sunlit Diamond]

^ I mix up names all the damn time. I will always correct myself when I catch it. I apologize in advance for any confusion.

[Inferno390]

Gonna start ISOing people. I'll probably go alphabetically. MY thoughts will be in

this color here, because I like it.

Spoiler: Aviqf ISO

Ayo

VOTE: RedFlavor

This was obviously an RVS vote.

@Sheep was your vote in post 11 a RVS vote?

I don't understand this question. This is obviously an RVS vote, because we're still in RVS.

DO NOT VOTE RED, HE IS ONE AWAY FROM BEING LYNCHED

This seems a little funny. Why get all upset about the L1 but not take off the vote?

@Sheep was your vote in post 11 a RVS vote?

UNVOTE: in case
inferno reaction seems natural

pedit does it look like an rvs vote

Can you please just be straight with me.. it’s a yes or no question, and you’re not helping town. So..
1. Was that a RVS vote?
2. Were you serious about the scumclaim?

I really don't understand pushing this question. It's obvious that it's an RVS vote.

You guys can call me Avi btw for short

@Sheep please answer the two questions in post 24

Very little page 1, but someone with that uncooperative mindset throughout the game is very damaging.

I agree with this.

im psure it's not ai
he was telling ppl not to hammer, not telling ppl to get him away from l-1

@avi

why didnt you unvote if you were afraid of a hammer

Because I wanted to keep him at l-1 for pressure, but he looks like a wild cannon to me so I’m going to unvote...
UNVOTE:

"Wild cannon"? Where is this coming from?

Although inferno's posts are awkward, I don't think this shows scum. I look at his past games, and his wording is just as awkward.

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=73591

Ouch. But reasonable.

he looks like a wild cannon to me

is this really a reason to unvote

Yes. I only voted him for pressure. Red obviously didn't care that he was L-1, so I wasn't going to gather anything from his reaction.

This also seems reasonable.

how are his posts awkward here
im not seeing it

I thought you said #23 was forced? I just think his tone/wording is a bit off.

Good response here.

It's more of a gut feeling.. but I think I should ignore it because of his meta.

VOTE: sunset at dawn

Last line of post #36 looks forced to me. It's like she knows who is town/scum, but she doesn't want to make any moves.

@sheep, how did you hyperlink that #23?

Seems reasonable.

thank you sheep!

my reads so far:

[Sunlit diamond]
[sheepsaysmeep, sauljoker, redflavor]
[inferno390, Lil Uzi Vert]
[sunset at dawn, creature]

@sheep I know it's reaching a bit, but I think scum are more likely to claim that they don't have any reads because they're scared of making mistakes.

Avi really needs to explain his thoughts. I like the response to Sheep though. It makes sense in a newbie game.

Everything in that list is relative, so I'm not like reading SD as strong town, just a slight to medium town read.

SD's questions look genuine. Asking Saul why he wasn't posting, then backing down was a minor gesture, but I read it as town.

Saul's caution looks town.

Creature isn't as much scum as anti-town. He literally said he wasn't going to help until LUV posted.

Red is just playing recklessly, which is an easy thing to do. However, it can be risky. I think a townie is more inclined to take that risk. He also was very pro-town, his scumclaim which lead to the wagon got us out of RVS.

This seems pretty well done. I see the thought process here.

@inferno

how much of 23 do you think was forced?

I don't think this is what you wanted to say. You are asking inferno if he thinks his own post was forced?

VOTE: Creature

LUV I’ll ask answer you question once I get back to a PC but I wanted to lose this question to sheep real quick

@Sheep, if you want to wagon me because my posts are “forced”, then you tell Inferno that town force posts too. How do you tell if it’s town or scum?

THIS is an excellent question.

You can’t call reads reaching early D1

why do you think you cant?

Because there isn’t as much content so you have to base reads on what you have

These two posts are reasonable.

Saul how am I being defensive/uncertain?

I said I’d answer the question when I’d get to a PC..

Ok so my experience:

I have played around 10 games on my homesite. They were all big role madness games. In the first few games, there was a good amount of game analysis taking place. But recently, it has been full shitposting. I missed playing seriously, so i came here. I have also played Town of Salem a little bit, but I know ToS and this are really different.

@Sheep I don't really care if you think my reasoning is NAI, but I'm going to stick to my knowledge.

This seems defensive.

it is definitely not avoiding avi's question

Avoiding and not answering have the same effect: the question doesn't get answered. Do we have to get into the technicalities?

And Avi hits the point right on the nose.

It's not an acceptable answer though.

Oh i forgot to answer this one:

I'm townreading Diamond because i feel all his posts have purpose, and he isnt just posting to post.

This is a good read.

All in all, I'm

Leaning Town

for Avi. Not everything Avi has done has made sense, but he definitely has done some genuine scumhunting this game.

[Inferno390]

he did not directly avoid the question
he did not directly answer it

entirely technically correct

You know what, stop fussing over the "technicalities". That's incredibly scummy behavior.
Saul's response to Avi's question is not acceptable, be cause he's never actually stated why he thinks Avi is defensive or unsure. Avi's question is perfectly legit, and Saul's response is not.

Just because of this chain, I'm seriously starting to lean on a Sheep/Saul scumteam. Sheep has been nothing but negative on all my and Avi's reads and thoughts this game, Saul has contributed little to none in terms of real scumhunting (only 5 posts, an RVS vote, and a wild attack on Avi), and this looks like an attempt from Sheep to cover up a dumb response on Saul's part.

[Inferno390]

Another thing I'm noticing is that most of Sheep's posts are a combination of shitposting or attacks on the things Avi or I say. There's maybe a slight bit of scumhunting, but it's very broken up, and not really useful to the town.
More on this when I ISO him.

[Inferno390]

Repeat after me: Activity level is NAI. I want more from Sunset so I have a shadow's chance of judging her alignment.

I agree with this. I would also like Sunset to post more. But I never said that her activity level was evidence of scum. I just restated the fact the she was incredibly quiet.
It's the fact that she has posted very little PLUS her posts seem very unsure that made me lean scum on her.

[Sunset at dawn]

All right. Since you seem so suspicious of me, all I can say is that I didn't want to seem overconfident and make a mistake.
I didn't post anything yesterday because I wasn't quite sure what to say.
Now that I have a little more information and I've looked over everything again, this is what I have.
Sheepsaysmeep is bouncing around a lot and seems very aggressive, especially towards Avi. Pretty suspicious, but seems almost too obvious to me.

Aviqvf pointed out that RedFlavor was at L-1, but didn't take his vote off of Red, but that could have just been to put extra pressure on him.

SaulJoker hasn't really said anything that makes me think one side or another

Creature hasn't said much either

Inferno390 jokingly voted himself and was pretty freaked out when RedFlavor was at L-1 so soon. He's done some analysis and seems pretty safe to me, unless- and I may be stretching here- he and Red are scum and that's why he freaked.

Lil Uzi Vert joined the game late but had a good excuse and doesn't seem suspicious.

Sunlit Diamond has been generally helpful and hasn't said anything weird. He seems town to me.

RedFlavor was almost lynched right at the beginning but didn't seem fazed. On the other hand, one of the votes was for his, so this could have been a way to gain our trust without much real risk.

[Sunlit Diamond]

I completely forgot Creature was playing.

[Sunlit Diamond]

I didn't want to seem overconfident and make a mistake.

What do you mean by 'make a mistake'? Town generally should not need to worry about making mistakes.

[Sunset at dawn]

I didn't want to seem overconfident and make a mistake.

What do you mean by 'make a mistake'? Town generally should not need to worry about making mistakes.

What I mean is that I don't want to do something stupid like getting a power role lynched day one. That counts as a mistake.

[Aviqf]

I’m pretty sure PR claims don’t get lynched unless there’s a CC

[Inferno390]

I didn't want to seem overconfident and make a mistake.

What do you mean by 'make a mistake'? Town generally should not need to worry about making mistakes.

What I mean is that I don't want to do something stupid like getting a power role lynched day one. That counts as a mistake.

this seems like a power role claim.

[sheepsaysmeep]

It's not an acceptable answer though.

how is it not acceptable

[Sunlit Diamond]

It's not an acceptable answer though.

how is it not acceptable

This has been talked about repeatedly.

[sheepsaysmeep]

sunset is town
189 is genuine

[sheepsaysmeep]

yeah @sunlit i post as i read

[sheepsaysmeep]

VOTE: inferno