Newbie 1845 - A New Dawn Game Over

[Inferno390]

RedFlavor I already said I changed my mind about his selfvote.

Right, but what changed your mind? Was it something about the selfvote, or a post that came after the selfvote, or what?

sheep seems very active.

I townread you because you actually got serious when Red went L-1.

I townread Avi mainly because his contributions on page 3 feel genuine.

My only thoughts on this is that activity =/= town. Scum can be incredibly active and not contribute anything to town at all, and I agree that Avi looks genuine on page 3.

Meanwhile I thought Saul would be a good vote.

Okay, just as a pointer form one newbie to another, one of the things I was told once in a newbie setup was that every vote you should make should have a purpose. Is it t oadd pressure? Gather information? Look for a response from the given player? Make sure that every vote you make ahs some sort of reasoning behind it other than "oh, this looks like a safe place to vote," becasue that deoesn't help you at all.

No wait. You're an SE. Surely you know all these things...?

Creature = scum?

[Inferno390]

Updated readlist:

Spoiler: Inferno390's readlist

Townlean:

Sunlit

Slight Townlean:

Aviqf

Neutral:

Red, Lil

Slight scumlean:

Creature, Sunset, Saul

Scumlean:

Sheep

Most likely scum:

Ask and I'll go into further detail on these reads.

[Creature]

Okay, just as a pointer form one newbie to another, one of the things I was told once in a newbie setup was that every vote you should make should have a purpose. Is it t oadd pressure? Gather information? Look for a response from the given player? Make sure that every vote you make ahs some sort of reasoning behind it other than "oh, this looks like a safe place to vote," becasue that deoesn't help you at all.

I'm rn voting to see if I can sort Saul. Plus I have a slight scumlean on him.

[Creature]

It's hard to not gather anything from a vote.

[Creature]

Right, but what changed your mind? Was it something about the selfvote, or a post that came after the selfvote, or what?

Story:

Me (days before): *sees RedFlavor's selfvote*
Me: Oh, town I guess.
Me (now): *sees RedFlavor's selfvote again*
Me: Actually, maybe scum could've also done that.

It wasn't a post after that that made me change my mind. Views over the same thing can change.

[Inferno390]

Okay, just as a pointer form one newbie to another, one of the things I was told once in a newbie setup was that every vote you should make should have a purpose. Is it t oadd pressure? Gather information? Look for a response from the given player? Make sure that every vote you make ahs some sort of reasoning behind it other than "oh, this looks like a safe place to vote," becasue that deoesn't help you at all.

I'm rn voting to see if I can sort Saul. Plus I have a slight scumlean on him.

Right, but what changed your mind? Was it something about the selfvote, or a post that came after the selfvote, or what?

Story:

Me (days before): *sees RedFlavor's selfvote*
Me: Oh, town I guess.
Me (now): *sees RedFlavor's selfvote again*
Me: Actually, maybe scum could've also done that.

It wasn't a post after that that made me change my mind. Views over the same thing can change.

Okay, these make sense.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah at this point I'm just scumleaning on Avi. Behavior seems defensive and uncertain, might be because it's a newbie game but that still doesn't dismiss it as townie.

UNVOTE: RedFlavor
VOTE: Aviqf

I'm getting slight town vibes from Inferno and Sunlit, and slight scum vibes from RedFlavor and Sheep. Everyone else I'm kinda neutral on.

Could you explain why being defensive is scummy? Also point to posts that make you feel like he’s uncertain? I get a confident vibe from Avi.

Saul how am I being defensive/uncertain?

Read your posts.

This isn’t satisfactory. Scum aren’t going to go comb through their posts and highlight your reasoning for you so town can solve the game. Please point to where you’re seeing what you’re seeing and why.

thank you sheep!

my reads so far:

[Sunlit diamond]
[sheepsaysmeep, sauljoker, redflavor]
[inferno390, Lil Uzi Vert]
[sunset at dawn, creature]

@sheep I know it's reaching a bit, but I think scum are more likely to claim that they don't have any reads because they're scared of making mistakes.

Why sunlit diamond is sgo high

wolfy popin
nothing to say abt like interactions or smth that actually progresses the game

None of that makes it a scummy re-entrance into the game.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Are you trying to protect your wolf friend

Why did you deflect here? You question sheep on why he felt your pop-in was scummy and then just drop it. It’s confusing me.

sunset was online yesterday, lurking

I was online yesterday

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Try to not get caught up in semantics guys. Discussing the meaning or interpretation of words or groups of words within a certain context; usually in order to win some form of argument, ends up doing more harm than good due to the noise it creates.

Yes, Saul didn’t avoid the question, but he didn’t really answer it if that makes sense. Deflecting and being evasive is what Saul was doing there.

Ok so my experience:

I have played around 10 games on my homesite. They were all big role madness games. In the first few games, there was a good amount of game analysis taking place. But recently, it has been full shitposting. I missed playing seriously, so i came here. I have also played Town of Salem a little bit, but I know ToS and this are really different.

@Sheep I don't really care if you think my reasoning is NAI, but I'm going to stick to my knowledge.

Ah.

The reason I had asked is because I found it a bit odd that you claimed to have looked at past game(s) of Inferno’s. Meta is something I wouldn’t expect a newer player to use as a way to read people since it’s very difficult to use correctly and even if you have a good understanding of it, it’s still sort of unreliable.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I didn't want to seem overconfident and make a mistake.

What do you mean by 'make a mistake'? Town generally should not need to worry about making mistakes.

What I mean is that I don't want to do something stupid like getting a power role lynched day one. That counts as a mistake.

And how would you manage to do that all by yourself? It currently takes 5 people to lynch someone.

[RedFlavor]

Are you trying to protect your wolf friend

Why did you deflect here? You question sheep on why he felt your pop-in was scummy and then just drop it. It’s confusing me.

sunset was online yesterday, lurking

I was online yesterday

I dont see that why is it confusing

[sheepsaysmeep]

aggressiveness isnt actually scummy btw

or at least usually not

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. Aggressiveness? who said anything about aggressiveness? And this gives literally no information to the town. These two posts combined are basically "Aggressiveness isn't scummy except for when it is."

Sheepsaysmeep is bouncing around a lot and seems very aggressive, especially towards Avi. Pretty suspicious

also aggressiveness in newbies is mostly town if it's not nai btw

[sheepsaysmeep]

First off, stop acting like an IC, because you're not, and you do not know everything about how to play this game. There are other people in this game who are IC's and there is a reason that they are IC's, and there is a reason that you're not an IC.

im not an ic because i didnt join the queue as an ic
can we not fill the thread with this bullshit

[sheepsaysmeep]

creature is fine
his playstyle is like this

[sheepsaysmeep]

Ask and I'll go into further detail on these reads.

i ask.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Are you trying to protect your wolf friend

Why did you deflect here? You question sheep on why he felt your pop-in was scummy and then just drop it. It’s confusing me.

sunset was online yesterday, lurking

I was online yesterday

I dont see that why is it confusing

It’s confusing because it’s a reaction that seems unlikeky from someone being accused of wrongdoing.

I find it more likely for one to explain why they’re not gulity based on those accusations rather than to deflect.

[sheepsaysmeep]

Okay, just as a pointer form one newbie to another, one of the things I was told once in a newbie setup was that every vote you should make should have a purpose. Is it t oadd pressure? Gather information? Look for a response from the given player? Make sure that every vote you make ahs some sort of reasoning behind it other than "oh, this looks like a safe place to vote," becasue that deoesn't help you at all.

No wait. You're an SE. Surely you know all these things...?

Creature = scum?

this is disgusting

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Okay, just as a pointer form one newbie to another, one of the things I was told once in a newbie setup was that every vote you should make should have a purpose. Is it t oadd pressure? Gather information? Look for a response from the given player? Make sure that every vote you make ahs some sort of reasoning behind it other than "oh, this looks like a safe place to vote," becasue that deoesn't help you at all.

No wait. You're an SE. Surely you know all these things...?

Creature = scum?

this is disgusting

Why? Seems like a decent point to me.

[sheepsaysmeep]

just because he didnt say his purpose doesnt mean he doesnt have a purpose for his vote
that seems pretty obvious

also i know se's who have no idea what theyre doing lol

the conclusion "Creature = scum?" because of a naked vote is also reachy and a bad conclusion

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Right, but Creature is an SE and arguably should be attempting to explain his votes to help teach alongside the IC.

Like I agree with you on the conclusion being bad but not necessarily how he got there. Naked voting is something that is viewed as AI due to the belief that trying to blend in and go unnoticed is scummy.

[Creature]

Right, but Creature is an SE and arguably should be attempting to explain his votes to help teach alongside the IC.

You forgot who I am...

[sheepsaysmeep]

lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Right, but Creature is an SE and arguably should be attempting to explain his votes to help teach alongside the IC.

You forgot who I am...

No I didn’t

Just going off of what I assume is proper SE play.

[sheepsaysmeep]

does someone want to talk to me about 194

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah I hated that post and it’s only thing giving me pause on Inferno.