Newbie 1845 - A New Dawn Game Over

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Hey guys

What’s shaking?

VOTE: red

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Red is my color in this game and it is my favourite flavor, not color

this is a scumclaim
sheep me

i want to see 9 votes on red now

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chillllllll

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VOTE: red

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UNVOTE: in case
inferno reaction seems natural

pedit does it look like an rvs vote

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avi is pinging me as scum
the question about an rvs vote is forced and it feels like asking a question for the sake of asking a question
VOTE: avi
serious vote

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im psure it's not ai
he was telling ppl not to hammer, not telling ppl to get him away from l-1

@avi

why didnt you unvote if you were afraid of a hammer

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23 is so fucking forced
rvs no longer needed let luv miss out on the fun bois

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i dont think the rvs speedwagon means anything of his alignment
the self vote is bad

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yes no
those questions are still forced afaf

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you’re not helping town. So..

let's expand on this
how much would you expect town to be helping on page 1 in rvs?

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F) The timing of this seems a little fishy. (Perhaps that's just me.) And Red wasn't that oblivious to his L2, was he? Could Red and Sheep be scumpartners doing a little RVS back and forth? Seems unlikely, considering this IS a Newbie game, but you never know...

what does a newbie game have to do with scumpartner voting patterns? i dont see how voting back and forth in rvs is necessarily indicative of alignment either

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G)Why would you RESTATE your vote, Sheep?

lolling

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welcome to pagetop city

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he looks like a wild cannon to me

is this really a reason to unvote

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how are his posts awkward here
im not seeing it

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keep going with that
which parts of that post have tone/wording that is off

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if you think youre onto smth help us see it

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@inferno

how much of 23 do you think was forced?

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It's more of a gut feeling.. but I think I should ignore it because of his meta.

your gut says his wording is off

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It's like she knows who is town/scum, but she doesn't want to make any moves.

im not seeing this
it's entirely possible that he's just town who isnt gathering any reads

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im supposing the inferno/luv line is null
what makes you read red/saul above them? why is sunlit so high up there
what has creature done that's actually ai than putting out early reads
i dont remember you saying you had an opinion on him

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i dont see anything saul has done that is ai

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and sunlit's
and creature's

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@inferno

how much of 23 do you think was forced?

I don't think this is what you wanted to say. You are asking inferno if he thinks his own post was forced?

yes that's what i want from him

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Everything in that list is relative, so I'm not like reading SD as strong town, just a slight to medium town read.

SD's questions look genuine. Asking Saul why he wasn't posting, then backing down was a minor gesture, but I read it as town.

Saul's caution looks town.

Creature isn't as much scum as anti-town. He literally said he wasn't going to help until LUV posted.

Red is just playing recklessly, which is an easy thing to do. However, it can be risky. I think a townie is more inclined to take that risk. He also was very pro-town, his scumclaim which lead to the wagon got us out of RVS.

why do newbies force everything
wagon this pls

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recklesness isnt a towntell, caution is definitely not a towntell, backing down isnt a towntell, youre misrepresenting creature here
he said he would keep his vote on luv until the post, and that wouldnt be long enough for it to be anti town

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hi redflavor threaddodging is bad

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it all pings me

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that's a wall pshh

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F) The timing of this seems a little fishy. (Perhaps that's just me.) And Red wasn't that oblivious to his L2, was he? Could Red and Sheep be scumpartners doing a little RVS back and forth? Seems unlikely, considering this IS a Newbie game, but you never know...

what does a newbie game have to do with scumpartner voting patterns? i dont see how voting back and forth in rvs is necessarily indicative of alignment either

I think that considering this is a newbie game, newbie scum are less likely to do this sort of banter.

we arent scum together, but neither of us are newbies btw

@inferno

how much of 23 do you think was forced?

Why the heck would you ask me this of my own post? Of course I don't think it's forced at all, it's my post!

it is forced. town force post sometimes, this is the response i was expecting scum to make

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i am your temporary substitute ic INACTIVITY =/= LURKING BTW
not that sunset's inactive
not that lurking is a newbtell either

where do you get the "not very sure of herself" from?

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town forces reads to get discussion going and to leave rvs
anywho inferno is omgusing and overreacting hard
VOTE: inferno

avi's questions were forced, the answer was pretty obvious
his reasons feel incredibly forced because most of the reasons for townreads/scumreads arent actual reasons to townread/scumread
saul was barely actually cautious, red was barely actually reckless, he's reaching hard for reasons

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92 is like a really reachy read
posting like 10 times in a day isnt lurking

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@inferno

which of sunlit's posts seem unsure
they seem natural to me

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sunlit had posted twelve times at the time of that first "lurking" post
lurking is scummy when a player is purposely avoiding the thread, do you think sunlit has been doing that?

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holy shit im stupid lol

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ok now this immediate response is scummy lol
i feel like VOTE: avi is a better place for my vote now
i see where youre coming from with not sure of herself, 92 seems fine

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yes you can lmao

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why do you think you cant?

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read a past game, there are ways to gain reads early d1 without reaching for reasons

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can everyone explain reads as they post them thx

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can you like
answer the question

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Saul how am I being defensive/uncertain?

Read your posts.

explain your reads

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the tone is fine

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my tone as both alignments used to be like that

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Saul how am I being defensive/uncertain?

Read your posts.

I don't like the tone of this. A) Aviqf might not be able to understand how you see his posts as defensive/uncertain, and B) this is directly avoiding the question.

A) that isnt ai
B) no

try again

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@sheep I know it's reaching a bit, but I think scum are more likely to claim that they don't have any reads because they're scared of making mistakes.

no not more likely
it's nai

next

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sunlit do you have reads
you seem all over the place rn other than on me

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thank you sheep!

my reads so far:

[Sunlit diamond]
[sheepsaysmeep, sauljoker, redflavor]
[inferno390, Lil Uzi Vert]
[sunset at dawn, creature]

@sheep I know it's reaching a bit, but I think scum are more likely to claim that they don't have any reads because they're scared of making mistakes.

Why sunlit diamond is sgo high

wolfy popin
nothing to say abt like interactions or smth that actually progresses the game

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not ai
not alignment indicative

also no it isnt "directly" avoiding the question

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it's not directly

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he is essentially implying that by reading his own posts he can figure it out
he is not directly avoiding the question

do you see how this is sort of a misrepresentation

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the second line of that same post lol

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the post where i call it wolfy
147

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are you trying to use tu quoque

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VOTE: red

nowhere near decent reaction
too ez

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youre an se slot btw

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and rvs ended

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and :/

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ew wolfy popin and zero town motivation are the best reasons

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it is definitely not avoiding avi's question

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oops im not dia

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sunset was online yesterday, lurking

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pagetop

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he did answer the question

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he did not directly avoid the question
he did not directly answer it

entirely technically correct

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It's not an acceptable answer though.

how is it not acceptable

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sunset is town
189 is genuine

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yeah @sunlit i post as i read

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VOTE: inferno

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pagetop

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in general lurkers who havent interacted with anyone yet and arent scummy aside for lurking are not good d1 lynches

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this seems like a power role claim.

try to convince me this could be town

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Just because of this chain, I'm seriously starting to lean on a Sheep/Saul scumteam. Sheep has been nothing but negative on all my and Avi's reads and thoughts this game, Saul has contributed little to none in terms of real scumhunting (only 5 posts, an RVS vote, and a wild attack on Avi), and this looks like an attempt from Sheep to cover up a dumb response on Saul's part.

this was why i voted
like the ic's do this in newbies so ima try

class, can someone tell me why this post is scummy?

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aggressiveness isnt actually scummy btw

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or at least usually not

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You know what, stop fussing over the "technicalities". That's incredibly scummy behavior.

why is this scummy

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i hate scumteam hunting d1

i have a pool of {red/inferno} aorn

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aggressiveness isnt actually scummy btw

or at least usually not

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. Aggressiveness? who said anything about aggressiveness? And this gives literally no information to the town. These two posts combined are basically "Aggressiveness isn't scummy except for when it is."

Sheepsaysmeep is bouncing around a lot and seems very aggressive, especially towards Avi. Pretty suspicious

also aggressiveness in newbies is mostly town if it's not nai btw

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First off, stop acting like an IC, because you're not, and you do not know everything about how to play this game. There are other people in this game who are IC's and there is a reason that they are IC's, and there is a reason that you're not an IC.

im not an ic because i didnt join the queue as an ic
can we not fill the thread with this bullshit

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creature is fine
his playstyle is like this

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Ask and I'll go into further detail on these reads.

i ask.

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Okay, just as a pointer form one newbie to another, one of the things I was told once in a newbie setup was that every vote you should make should have a purpose. Is it t oadd pressure? Gather information? Look for a response from the given player? Make sure that every vote you make ahs some sort of reasoning behind it other than "oh, this looks like a safe place to vote," becasue that deoesn't help you at all.

No wait. You're an SE. Surely you know all these things...?

Creature = scum?

this is disgusting

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just because he didnt say his purpose doesnt mean he doesnt have a purpose for his vote
that seems pretty obvious

also i know se's who have no idea what theyre doing lol

the conclusion "Creature = scum?" because of a naked vote is also reachy and a bad conclusion

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lol

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does someone want to talk to me about 194

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can ppl like
sheep me and put some pressure on inferno

pagetop

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can we like
actually pressure someone if no one else wants to do inferno

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my favorite lynches are inferno/red
luv is town his posting/conversations are natural and genuine
creature is fine
ppl scumleaning him just dont like his playstyle
sunset is good
saul i like kind of
avi i have trouble reading atm
sunlit is null

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VOTE: red
im fine with this

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it was an rvs vote, it's not very ai bc at that point in the game there's not rlly a big difference you can make with your vote

sunset somewhat self conscious but still town

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If he had felt like he was in danger, he could have unvoted himself or changed his vote to keep himself safe. That means it would be much easier to stay calm and not make a mistake.

do you think that this is what a player would think at l-1 having self voted regardless of their alignment?

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opportunistic

readlist when you have time pls

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VOTE: saul

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rvs happen for a reason tho, your vote would have helped town more by being somewhere else

@saul idk what you mean by baiting you
that's a srs vote

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for 10 days left this game is pretty stagnant

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saul has joined my pool

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i should explain this

essentially what first stood out to me was him saying he could do a readlist, but asking town if he should first
town naturally is helped by constant lists, it's more of a do them if youre able to atm
263 is just bullshit :/

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red you literally were implying that you shouldnt be sr'ed for the vote because it was rvs
dont expect ppl to tr you for it either

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also creature do you want to like
say hi or smth

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also creature
do you want to like
say smth game progressing

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i sr red
i sr inferno
sunset is towny

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*do you want to do some of this shit yourself*

scumleaning saul
sunilt is nullish

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doing this is always worth a try

calling a saul/red scumteam

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tbh i wouldnt be surprised if that's far off cause like everyone that i havent mentioned is pnullish iirc

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why are you sheeping sheep

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he's at l-2

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red/saul/inferno are still my favorite lynches today; i can go with any of them

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red/saul/inferno are still my favorite lynches today; i can go with any of them

Go for it, but know that tomorrow you or red will be lynched for pushing me.

I'm fine with dying if it means one of you two gets lynched too.

btw red very nice voteback you did there.

this is actually a good example of forced aggressiveness

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what changed avi from your scumlean to a slight townlean

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pagetop

hope you get better soon!

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does someone want to l-1 saul for pressure

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avi is at prod btw

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red
if youre town do you want to towntell

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reads change

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someone try to sell me on town!inferno thx

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no preflip associative hunting plsthx

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uh
are you tmi'ing that one of those is a scum flip

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i dont see you saying you think im scum until the last line in that post?

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my opinion is you should put him back at l-1
why care what creature thinks

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answer my question
why do you care what creature thinks

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pagetop

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why did you unvote?

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inferno
being "negative" about the first few reads of the game isnt a scumtell
do you have any actual reasons to think im scum

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You're null because what you have posted doesn't seem scummy or towny. It's also hard to read any of your posts as towny or scummy because I don't have a lot to work off of for you.
Sunset's also has few posts, but her posts seem significantly weaker or scummier than yours, hence the difference.

and im the scummiest player in the game in your opinion like two posts ago

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inferno
being "negative" about the first few reads of the game isnt a scumtell
do you have any actual reasons to think im scum

"First few reads" =/= post 186

You've also contibuted very little to this game

look who's talking lol

Which would be obvious if you'd been paying attention to the thread and actually read my post.

who does that these days

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ebwop

inferno
being "negative" about the first few reads of the game isnt a scumtell
do you have any actual reasons to think im scum

"First few reads" =/= post 186

yes it does actually

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if i have 127 posts i hope i have more than 34 posts of contribution
it's not the ratio that matters

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no like
who actually reads every post these days
i guess some tryhards do but it's not alignment indicative

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i can see where you might be coming from as town
but your push is like really weak

red do you want to do anything useful yet

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And the ratio does matter, because large amounts of shitposting in an attempt to look active is scummy behavior. Activity alone is NAI, but how much scumhuntng you actually do compared to how much you actually post is AI. It's scummy.

no
this is literally just an nai playstyle thing

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no like
who actually reads every post these days
i guess some tryhards do but it's not alignment indicative

Sure, not reading every post is NAI.
Butyou've made several dumb mistakes by not carefully reading posts.
I don't read every post either, but I make sure I actually read a post before I respond to it.
Which you obviously are not.

yeah
it's nai
it doesnt matter
next

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i did explain actually

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lmao
if you come to that conclusion you didnt actually look back through my games

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You are so scum it's ridiculous.

k
after such a shitty push i just dont see you having this conclusion as town
VOTE: inferno

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inferno of course you can

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the first one i dont shitpost
the second game is a town game
the third one i dont shitpost

also that's really old meta lol

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your meta read is REALLY really bad

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i told you didnt actually look through my games lol
my scum meta is really tryhard
my town meta is super laxed
pmuch

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so you read through my scumgames
you think im "Negative towards reads, not contributing, shitposting quite a bit, etc."
not only is that a bullshit conclusion but the second two are untrue here
i shotpost a shit ton and i contribute a lot

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nah red that's wifom i dont like using it
like inferno those are really old examples but the town game is so much more like here than the scumgames lmao

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because sheep is town
saul's posts are bad
red is gross but i think it might just be a playstyle thing rip

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red
aside from just asking people questions to make it look like youre contributing
do you have any thoughts other than "this is scum" "that is scum"

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luv is at prod btw

pedit like do you have actual reads

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see this type of stuff you say as you get that read

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does someone want to explain what creature has done that is ai

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sunset is just site inactive and posts when visiting the site

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if someone hasnt actually done anything towny but there's stuff they havent done they should at highest null?

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so inferno
now do you want to try to find actual evidence against me

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first help me try to see how being "negative to reads" is a scumtell

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what the fuck are you doing

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can we wagon inferno yet
also red thought that vote was town

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i like creature's vote too actually

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pagetop

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so inferno
now do you want to try to find actual evidence against me

first help me try to see how being "negative to reads" is a scumtell

Going to ignore this because this is obviously scumbait and I learned my lesson from TywinL.

like
someone try to tell me this is town

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lurkers are why you have vigs
396 is newbscum or vi
sunlit im psure you dont think inferno is vi?

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it's only been one minute lmao

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what's your meta read
do you think that because he knows what you know about his meta he could be faking it

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yeah i looked at the iso's side by side
it does seem to match pretty well

vi i guess

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VOTE: saul

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can we have reads that arent 300 posts old pls

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VOTE: sunset
i took a look back at your iso
a) the consistent "i may be reaching" is self conscious
b) some of the reads arent very town conclusions
sunlit seeming "generally helpful" isnt a towntell
inferno doing some "analysis" isnt a towntell
some "aggressiveness" which you exaggerate isnt "too obviously scum"

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he explained lol

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what active players
im also like 80% certain ive contributed the most

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fuck no have they contributed more than i have
r e a d
my fucking posts

also red pmuch doesnt actually contribute

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holy shit why can you not understand that fluffing is just nai

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"clogging up the thread" might be somewhat anti town but i slowed it down a fuck ton a shit long of a time ago and it was never actually a scumtell

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that reaction after my vote on here i sort of like

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sunset, can we have an updated readlist?
do you want to go deeper into you "not quite trusting red"
it looks pretty opportunistic to me

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posting as much as always and saying as little as always

i have still contributed more than any other player in the game. this is sheeped bullshit

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Sunlit Diamond is still relatively helpful

this isnt actually alignment indicative
neither is creature's staying away from the thread until a prod or saul being inactive
youre not actually dedicating to any reads

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im just not buying that after 18 pages you only have one "kind of i guess" read

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pagetop

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VOTE: inferno

i dont have time right now to list all the points against inferno
i'll try to get to it later

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red psure he's not interested in lynching them today

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im just not buying that after 18 pages you only have one "kind of i guess" read

I'm not buying that you've contibuted more than any other person in this game.

oh my fucking god
read my fucking iso

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i can case inferno later but inferno psolid scum
im just lacking in motivation :/

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at this point this is stupid

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oml this is fucking stupid

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Walls and walls of posts that just hate on people's reads

what the fuck is this
"hate on people's reads" is an appeal to emotion attack
and i dont see where i do this?

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don't make sense, or literally mean nothing from a town stand point.

?
go into this more
what doesnt make sense for you
and why do these posts not make any sense for town to post

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No hunting, no analyzing posts, no hard reading on people, nothing.

i thought you say you read my iso?

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sheep calling saul town

uh
this never happens?

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UNVOTE: in case
inferno reaction seems natural

pedit does it look like an rvs vote

avi is pinging me as scum
the question about an rvs vote is forced and it feels like asking a question for the sake of asking a question
VOTE: avi
serious vote

im psure it's not ai
he was telling ppl not to hammer, not telling ppl to get him away from l-1

@avi

why didnt you unvote if you were afraid of a hammer

23 is so fucking forced
rvs no longer needed let luv miss out on the fun bois

i dont think the rvs speedwagon means anything of his alignment
the self vote is bad

yes no
those questions are still forced afaf

i dont see why town!inferno wouldnt have reconsidered at this point
your case is just a bunch of misrepresentations piled together

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oops those quotes shouldnt be there

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your attacks are the fucking misrepresentations

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hating on my reads.

can you actually fuck off with this
it's so fucking triggering

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"hating on my reads" then you dab on me not whine your ass off about it and use that to push me :/

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you'd know why you are wrong if you actually did read my entire iso
if you dont dont fucking make claims about it that arent true

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hating on my reads.

can you actually fuck off with this
it's so fucking triggering

This is still misrepresentation.

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READ MY ISO before you talk shit about my iso and have no idea what the fuck youre talking about

next

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holy shit
that moment when you realize your job playing in a newbie is to fake a nice tone

im sorry
that was a weak attack, but it's an area that can be improved by playing more games
it was a nice try!
is there anyone else you have reads on?

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read my iso
look at your post while you do it

just follow these instructions

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inferno isnt town

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that's not really how mafia works lol

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If aviq is scum then saul, creature, inferno cant be scum

this is a lie
but that post is like
definitely really bad

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This game bores me so much.

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nah im not voting saul for being inactive
he's just not been on the site
if he hasnt looked at the thread for 3 days and hasnt posted for 3 days that's not suspicious