Micro 759: Tarot uPick III - Game Over!

[garaputo]

I was asking why you don't want to lynch us, but the rest is appreciated.

I specifically asked earlier about this topic and got no answer

With two others seeing Yeti as town there is little chance of a lynch today.

Do you mean the underlined in the context of Yeti, or overall? I think mathematically we must lynch today, or we lose 1 of 2 possible shots to win. I am tired and not a math wizard but that passes my cursory assumptions checklist.

Pretty clear that the implication here is "little chance of a [Yeti] lynch". You're very hung up on this.

You are probably right. I guess when I put a bunch of effort into reviewing, posting and asking questions, I assume the worst when it's completely ignored by the person I asked the question.

[Porkens]

I am not scum.

I am the least scummy person you've ever played with and I have lots of friends.

[Porkens]

Soooooo when it's down to garup, nsg, and nk15, whatchagunnafooooo?

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 4-5

Not Known 15

(2): garaputo, Porkens

Porkens

(2): Not Known 15, Yetichain

Not Voting

(1): northsidegal

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Deadline: January 17, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2018-01-16 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[Porkens]

NSG, I'm town. You, as either alignment should hammer NK15. If you are town, I think he must be scum and we win the game.

If you are scum and he is town, you should be able to get my lynched tomorrow no problem.

please.

[Porkens]

This is not a trap!

[garaputo]

My preference is pretty clear here. I do not think porkens is scum.

[garaputo]

Also I'd like to point out, we've sort of kingmakered NSG for a while here, and I'm willing to assume that there aren't 2 scum left. The fact that we haven't seen a mislynch here already makes me think it's very likely NSG is scum, making the decision even clearer for me.

[garaputo]

Jeez, let me type things slower. *

makes it very likely NSG isn't scum

is what I meant above. Scum could have easily lynched a town player here by now with adequate cover tomorrow I think.

[Not Known 15]

Well, that reasoning still leaves three people.
Porkens and me,
... and you.

[northsidegal]

intent to hammer porkens later today

[garaputo]

Well, that reasoning still leaves three people.
Porkens and me,
... and you.

I was hoping NSG was going to pick you. I admit I could be wrong but my gut says you are the last scum.

[northsidegal]

why does nk15 try to trap people in asking if they visited him before he claims if he's scum? that entire day two interaction doesn't read anything like a lone scum who just had their partner lynched and is looking like the day two wagon.

[northsidegal]

i don't think acid ever explained why he targeted dunker.

[garaputo]

Yeah I wondered about that choice when I started see 1155 and 1157

[garaputo]

why does nk15 try to trap people in asking if they visited him before he claims if he's scum? that entire day two interaction doesn't read anything like a lone scum who just had their partner lynched and is looking like the day two wagon.

There are a lot of things that don't make sense. I can see why you'd want to vote a claimed rolecop over NK15.

I mean, why does NK15 do the soft counterclaim in thing 449 450 454 ? No matter who you chose, there seem to be arguments for "that doesn't make sense as scum"

Something about Porkens play makes me think they are actively trying to puzzle out the game. Same with Yeti. Today I've strongly felt NK15 is basically like "lynch not me, but I don't care whom" which isn't exactly what I'd expect from someone who can die and still win the game.

[garaputo]

Since I failed at tags again for 454 above, I'll link these:

I guess it was 449 and 450 454 457

[northsidegal]

would porkens as scum target dunker after his vt claim?

i'm thinking more and more that it's garaputo. i just don't see any other reasonable explanation for the no-kills, and acid's associatives with jabarkas were terrible. also, i could believe that jabarkas would just give his vote to his scumbuddy, ignoring (or perhaps embracing?) wifom.

[northsidegal]

man, one day before deadline was not the time to do this.

[garaputo]

would porkens as scum target dunker after his vt claim?

i'm thinking more and more that it's garaputo. i just don't see any other reasonable explanation for the no-kills, and acid's associatives with jabarkas were terrible. also, i could believe that jabarkas would just give his vote to his scumbuddy, ignoring (or perhaps embracing?) wifom.

I mean porkens could do that, it did have some impact on dunker being lynched (at least it helped get my vote). I just think that if porkens is just pretending to try and solve the game, the acting is pretty convincing.

Alas, it's not me. I think that you are doing a pretty good job of also convincing me it's not you right now though.

[garaputo]

man, one day before deadline was not the time to do this.

In the past newbie game I was in game 1837 viewtopic.php?f=50&t=74101 going to deadline was not so bad. Sometimes the pressure forces people to rethink.

As we seem to be deadlocked right now I'll give you this - if there is literally any way to achieve a lynch over a no lynch today, I will be on board. Taking a shot from 5 and again from 3 seems way better than simply taking a shot from 4. I'm assuming no shenanigans but if there are I would say that leans more towards taking a shot today.

[northsidegal]

I mean porkens could do that, it did have some impact on dunker being lynched (at least it helped get my vote). I just think that if porkens is just pretending to try and solve the game, the acting is pretty convincing.

Alas, it's not me. I think that you are doing a pretty good job of also convincing me it's not you right now though.

i don't mean him claiming his result (which i would expect him to do as either alignment), i'm wondering if porkens as scum even investigates dunker in the first place. granted, i think the only person who hadn't claimed or hinted at at least some part of their role was me, but still.

also, what's the explanation for the no-kills if nk15 or porkens is scum? the only explanations for the no-kill

no matter who the last mafia is

are: scum targeted dunker night one, scum deliberately no-killed, or scum cannot use their role and perform the factional kill simultaneously.

the first one seems unrealistic for anyone as scum for me to discard it as a possibility.

scum deliberately no-killing is also unrealistic but it's at the least worth considering, and it's also the only explanation for nk15 or porkens being scum, given the next point.

if scum cannot use their role and perform the factional kill simultaneously, that points straight to garaputo. porkens was a novice role cop meaning that he couldn't use his role night one, and i don't think nk15's role actually targets anyone (correct me if i'm wrong). we have confirmation that acid targeted dunker from dunker saying that a neighborhood was created.




night two we again have confirmation that garaputo targeted someone, we also know that porkens targeted someone, and we know that no-kill was performed. not really sure there's any new information or conclusions to be drawn here.

night three we know that garaputo no longer had any jailkeeping shots and we also know that this was the first night with a nightkill. porkens definitely wasn't lying about dunker's role so i assume that he wasn't lying about his investigation this night, meaning that we can take it that he used his action tonight. if we assume that porkens is scum, it means that scum must have the ability to use their role and perform the factional kill in the same night. if that's true, then porkens must have deliberately no-killed two nights in a row. does he do that? i'm not sure, but i doubt it.

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that's a lot of words to come to the conclusion that we really already knew that if porkens or nk15 is scum, they no-killed for two nights in a row. it also shows something that hadn't really occurred to me before, that if scum can't use their roles and kill simultaneously that garaputo's night actions are consistent with him being scum.

[northsidegal]

oh, there's no chance i let this day end in a no-lynch. i'm just thinking about how i'm not liking either of my options here really.

[northsidegal]

if scum cannot use their role and perform the factional kill simultaneously, that points straight to garaputo. porkens was a novice role cop meaning that he couldn't use his role night one, and i don't think nk15's role actually targets anyone (correct me if i'm wrong). we have confirmation that acid targeted dunker from dunker saying that a neighborhood was created.

hm, just realized this point isn't as clear as i'd like it to be.

let's assume scum can't kill and use their roles simultaneously:

porkens is a novice rolecop (assuming he isn't lying), meaning that he didn't use his role night one, so why wasn't there a kill?
nk15's role doesn't target people (i think?), so why wasn't there a kill?
garaputo targeted someone, so that would explain why there wasn't a kill.

[northsidegal]

okay, yeah, just checked and nk15's role doesn't target anyone (assuming he's telling the truth).