Mini 1974: Pokemon Sapphire Mafia [Game over]

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #55 (isolation #0) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:51 am

VOTE: LUV

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #56 (isolation #1) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:52 am

Hello Everyone!

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #63 (isolation #2) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:37 am

We caught scum on Page 1 GG.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #72 (isolation #3) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:06 pm

What a nice chainsaw there Wis.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #77 (isolation #4) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:16 pm

Yeah, you're right, my bad.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #82 (isolation #5) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:28 pm

If i'm gonna be associated with caught scum for catching them Page 1 im gonna be mad.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #85 (isolation #6) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:30 pm

In post 83, Not_Mafia wrote:That's not why you're being scumread

It was related to Cheet's post

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #86 (isolation #7) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:32 pm

In post 84, Wisdom wrote:what makes luv caught scum, kaede?

Gut feeling.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #87 (isolation #8) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:34 pm

You know what, whatever, if Wisdom decided to devolve back to the days of him tunneling town me, im not even gonna bother anymore because he's certain to just continue tunneling me until i end up replacing out of frustration, which is a thing i dont want to do ever again.

(And yes this is me saying that Wis is probably town)

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #89 (isolation #9) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:40 pm

In post 88, Wisdom wrote:why am i not scum "tunneling" you?

Gut feeling.
Plus I doubt scum you would tunnel me anyways because you know how I react when tunneled and that would be bad for whatever scum team you'd have.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #90 (isolation #10) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:41 pm

This is basically me saying that me being town = wisdom is never scum.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #93 (isolation #11) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:53 pm

That was easy... I was already expecting my life to be forfeit.
Not sure if I should feel insulted that you just called me shallow or relieved that you correctly read me and ended your tunnel.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #126 (isolation #12) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:01 pm

So we went from a nice wagon to spread out votes...
Come on guys!

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #127 (isolation #13) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:02 pm

In post 123, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:VOTE: Aeronaut

????

And you guys are letting this get away?

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #212 (isolation #14) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:25 am

In post 186, LaserGuy wrote:What is your read of LUV now? Do you have more than a gut read at this point?

Scum, Nope

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #213 (isolation #15) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:27 am

In post 204, Cheetory6 wrote:We could wagon Kaede so we can talk about wagoning Kaede

I endorse this product and/or service.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #214 (isolation #16) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:28 am

In post 205, Cheetory6 wrote:Whoever joins the Cheetory6 certified wagon will get to join an MS.Paint choo choo train!
Weeee!

Damn, this makes me want to join, but the wagon is on myself so I kinda cant.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #215 (isolation #17) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:29 am

In post 211, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I’ll help bus.

VOTE: Kaede Akamatsu

So let's talk about that buzzword called "Opportunism" shall we?

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #216 (isolation #18) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:29 am

On other news gut townreads on Cheet, marquis and chara

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #217 (isolation #19) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:35 am

Oh yeah, i actually liked Aero's prodding of Wisdom, dunno why people dislike it, hence why I disliked LUV's vote on Aero. Like are people blind this game or something.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #221 (isolation #20) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:57 am

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.
.

I dont have the energy to deal with all of you at this point.

If you wanna lynch me then go ahead, my reads arent changing.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #224 (isolation #21) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:27 am

I'm saying that before anyone comes and asks "What are your final reads".

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #226 (isolation #22) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:40 am

Nah he's prob town.
I was also surprised in how easy Wisdom let go off me and said as much, I dont see any issue with Aeronaut pressuring Wisdom about it.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #228 (isolation #23) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:27 am

Have you played with NM before?

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #234 (isolation #24) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:38 am

In post 219, Kokichi Oma wrote:I can see Kaede being scum here.

In post 232, Kokichi Oma wrote:Hi Smocaine. Why do you think Kaede is scum?

????

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #242 (isolation #25) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:38 pm

In post 236, Kokichi Oma wrote:Mine has to do with meta, so because he doesn't have the same meta as I have, I want to see why he thinks Kaede is scum.

In post 236, Kokichi Oma wrote:Mine has to do with meta

Now see, this is where i call BS
VOTE: Kokichi

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #245 (isolation #26) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:00 pm

Eh, I didnt expect Wisdom to stop a tunnel on me once it had already began, so I didnt think he would stop after that comment.

He and I have.... quite a long history if nothing else kinda painful for me.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #248 (isolation #27) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:14 pm

In post 246, Luca Blight wrote:I still don't understand what about Aero's prodding of Wisdom makes him Town?

Because Wisdom stopping the tunnel so easily on me is weird, I found it weird albeit im relieved that I dont need to spend energy arguing with him for 100 pages until I end up hyper frustrated enough to replace out, I know, He knows, this is what eventually will happen we both have experienced it in several games. But Aero doesnt have that kind of knowledge, and I have an easy time following his thought process so I dont find it odd for him to suspect Wisdom, and so I think he's more than likely town.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #250 (isolation #28) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:19 pm

Are you srsly asking me to explain gut?

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #251 (isolation #29) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:21 pm

I'm seriously getting tired of when people ask me to explain gut reads.
You'd think if i had a better explanation i wouldnt be calling them "gut"
And no i dont care what you think of that explanation.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #253 (isolation #30) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:28 pm

In post 252, Luca Blight wrote:I was asking why you never even acknowledged a case made against you.

And as I said, I don't buy the whole 'gut' thing to justify a clear scumread. How can you expect others to follow you onto the wagon when you can't even explain your read?

I've never been the leader type of player, so I've never really cared whether others follow me or not, but LUV is being so obvscum in my eyes and is like everyone else is just being blind and I got mad.
As for the case on me, if that's a case, then that's a pretty lame excuse for a case. I read it as "She can't explain a read so she says gut, ergo she's scum"

So... do scum never have explanations for their reads? do town always have explanation for their reads?

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #254 (isolation #31) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:29 pm

If by your admission people arent going to ever listen to me if all I say is "gut" for my reads, then pray tell what do you think is my master plan to get mislynches?

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #256 (isolation #32) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:33 pm

You know what
I've decided that for this game
Every single read explanation from me
will be

"Gut"

Gut Gut Gut

Even when i actually have an actual explanation.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #257 (isolation #33) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:34 pm

In post 255, Kokichi Oma wrote:How come? You didn't even ask about the meta. Why do you automatically assume it's BS?

I know im not scum, if you supposedly have meta, then you saying that im scum by meta is BS.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #260 (isolation #34) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:37 pm

I call things the way they are.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #268 (isolation #35) » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:36 pm

In post 267, LaserGuy wrote:
In post 228, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:Have you played with NM before?
Is there a follow-up to this? I'm assuming you have played with him before. What do you think of NM's play so far?

NAI
I havent played THAT many games with him, but from what I know of his meta, this is his usual play, dont think i've seen scum him yet, but people have told me that they are identical and he's impossible to read.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #322 (isolation #36) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:40 am

In post 290, Not_Mafia wrote:I'm still grieving for the loss of the LUV wagon

I wonder whose fault that was.
But I currently scumread Kokichi harder than Creature whom I scumread harder than LUV.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #324 (isolation #37) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:43 am

In post 323, Cheetory6 wrote:
In post 257, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:I know im not scum, if you supposedly have meta, then you saying that im scum by meta is BS.
Do you think your opening here matches your typical town play?

I think my opening here matches my typical NAI play.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #326 (isolation #38) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:46 am

In post 325, Cheetory6 wrote:There were a lot of people who thought your opening here was really stiff/stilted [myself included].
You don't think someone with experience with your meta could think that based on your early-game approach?

Dunno, I generally dont pay attention to what I do, don't do in every single game based on alignment, the only thing I know is that when im scum I lose motivation to play over time due to the fact that I hate being scum. Anything else im not really aware of as I try to do the same thing every game regardless.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #330 (isolation #39) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:54 am

That would be assuming that he has enough meta on me to make that sort of assesment.
Unless you think this is enough meta:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=73745

But my scumread on him is beyond him misreading my meta.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #331 (isolation #40) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:58 am

Basically just like I called LUV's vote opportunist, Kokichi did the exact thing, without actually voting me (unless i forgot) but subtly testing the waters by stating he scumreads me when people were scumreading me and flipping his read after I obvtown'd.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #333 (isolation #41) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:01 am

In post 332, Cheetory6 wrote:Seems like he was just scumreading Luca more, hence he wasn't voting you.
Can you go into more detail about why you think it's more likely he's scum fishing for options vs town trying to sort?

A town trying to sort would engage me, not sitting on the sidelines, methinks.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #382 (isolation #42) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:45 pm

Here's the point --> .

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #400 (isolation #43) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:33 pm

In post 399, Luca Blight wrote:Anyone up for a Not_Mafia wagon?

nah

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #405 (isolation #44) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:44 pm

Maybe if Cheet asks me nicely.
I have no intention of cooperating with someone that tried to say my gut reads were scummy.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #407 (isolation #45) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:46 pm

In post 406, Cheetory6 wrote:ur gut reads r scummy
(:

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #408 (isolation #46) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:47 pm

I've decided im not gonna vote creature out of spite.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #429 (isolation #47) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:01 pm

In post 426, Not_Mafia wrote:Someone threaten to hammer

Something like this?

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #434 (isolation #48) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:17 pm

I'll just stop derping around, Cheet is right this is 95% Creature's scum game.
VOTE: Creature

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #437 (isolation #49) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:18 pm

In post 436, Luca Blight wrote:Explain the other 5% to me.

Because i dont have personal experience with his scum meta, but they are literally like day and night if Biochem's any indication.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #481 (isolation #50) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:31 am

I would still lynch LUV over Aeronaut, I dunno why ppl keep thinking Aero is scum.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #482 (isolation #51) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:36 am

In post 480, Luca Blight wrote:I found it scummy regardless of Creature's flip as I mentioned before. The fact Creature flipped scum only cements my read on Not_Mafia.

The guy was the most wagon-happy player in the game until the Creature wagon came up, and had no valid reason for his sudden change in behaviour.

Speaking of "having valid reasons" this is the first time I've ever seen NM be this talkative (outside of his alt), generally I never see him having reasons valid or not for most things.
The wagon-happy thing seems more to be just NM being NM.

Also to answer cheet's question, im not seeing it, it could be, maybe, im not good at picking up that kinda stuff.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #484 (isolation #52) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:39 am

VOTE: LUV
Wagon ho! (Wait that's from recettear)

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #487 (isolation #53) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:45 am

In post 486, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 471, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 434, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:I'll just stop derping around, Cheet is right this is 95% Creature's scum game.
VOTE: Creature
I'm wondering why it took Kaede so long to join the wagon when she was so sure this was Creature's scum game.
And any response to this?

Yes:

In post 405, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:Maybe if Cheet asks me nicely.
I have no intention of cooperating with someone that tried to say my gut reads were scummy.

In post 408, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:I've decided im not gonna vote creature out of spite.

In post 434, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:I'll just stop derping around, Cheet is right this is 95% Creature's scum game.
VOTE: Creature

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #489 (isolation #54) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:46 am

But you know, maybe next time you should try reading my ISO.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #491 (isolation #55) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:57 am

In post 490, Luca Blight wrote:Kaede, I'm aware all that tomfoolery occurred, but you still could have voted Creature before I asked you to (when you refused to wagon Not-Mafia).

Given you were 95% sure Creature was scum your behaviour makes little sense to me there. I was less sure of him being scum as he seemed like lynch-bait to me, but if I was that sure I would be too excited to keep off the wagon for sake of a bit of banter.

Yeah:

In post 322, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:
In post 290, Not_Mafia wrote:I'm still grieving for the loss of the LUV wagon
I wonder whose fault that was.
But I currently scumread Kokichi harder than Creature whom I scumread harder than LUV.

Afterwards Kokichi improved, my vote would have defaulted to Creature, back then I didnt have that big of a SR on him then, it went bigger after his reaction to the L-1 and cheet pointing out his lack of scumreads (Back in that one game with him, he was fairly sure the person pushing meta on him was scum even tho they werent), so i declared an intent and then decided to just go "screw waiting, i'll just hammer he had his chance"

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #495 (isolation #56) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:04 am

In post 362, Kokichi Oma wrote:Just didn't lack the passion I usually see from her as town.

In post 363, Kokichi Oma wrote:have* not lack

Bottom quote only included coz it's a correction of the top one.

But yeah, this kinda makes sense I guess? I also liked his general posts before this (including the ones right after my last post towards cheet)

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #496 (isolation #57) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:06 am

I'm not seeing it.
You're awfully pushy today arent you.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #499 (isolation #58) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:09 am

In post 498, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 496, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:I'm not seeing it.
You're awfully pushy today arent you.
You're not seeing that he was reluctant to vote Creature?

Nope

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #501 (isolation #59) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:12 am

Hmmmm

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #502 (isolation #60) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:13 am

Dunno that looks too obvious to me, but im not an expert on reading NM's playstyle.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #505 (isolation #61) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:19 am

1. Didn't like his vote on Aero (i also didnt like the general push on Aero so i dont think that's as strong)
2. His vote on me felt like opportunism.
3. It feels like he decided to dissapear while Creature was being pushed, not that strong of a reason as it could've been RL stuff related tho.

Actually I just realized those reasons arent as strong as I once thought...

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #520 (isolation #62) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:37 am

Oh I forgot Chara existed in this game.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #525 (isolation #63) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:09 am

Chara's prob town.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #537 (isolation #64) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:32 pm

Pretty much this:

In post 521, Chara wrote:so did i!
not really, but Creature wagon pretty much happened while i wasn't here so i didn't even get a chance to protest against it futiley only to be wrong, which is just a bummer.

You dont really need a reason to mention this, it's not gonna get you any town points with most ppl, specially for acknowledging that you would've been wrong about Creature after it had already happened and could've tried to go for town points for thinking he was scum, but instead this comes out more honest than anything and so that's why I think you're probs town.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #538 (isolation #65) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:33 pm

tl;dr: Basically that post implies you care more about being Honest than appearing town so i think you're probs town.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #539 (isolation #66) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:35 pm

UNVOTE:
Almost forgot to unvote, gonna give LUV time to get into the game.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #544 (isolation #67) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:41 pm

In post 543, Marquis wrote:Kaede... ?????????

??????

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #549 (isolation #68) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:28 pm

Yeah and one of the 2 people that gave intent was me.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #550 (isolation #69) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:28 pm

Although that shouldnt change anything from your PoV.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #556 (isolation #70) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:06 pm

Ok, let's watch this "scum" perform a double bus then
VOTE: NM

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #561 (isolation #71) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:56 pm

In post 558, Kokichi Oma wrote:Maybe I should quick lynch like Kaede did.

that's not such a bad idea lol

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #565 (isolation #72) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:01 pm

Well that was anti climatic
I guess Kokichi's bound to get his electro hammers stolen

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #568 (isolation #73) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:05 pm

In post 429, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:
In post 426, Not_Mafia wrote:Someone threaten to hammer
Something like this?

I mean who can win against such a large hammer

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #569 (isolation #74) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:08 pm

In post 567, Chara wrote:i don't know if i'll be upset if this flips town or a PR because of the quicklynch, or upset it flips
scum
because it would be the second i've had no part in. :<
i need to be faster, apparently. sorry. again.

So you're gonna be upset no matter what, so might as well start getting upset now

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #647 (isolation #75) » Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:27 am

In post 635, Chara wrote:but i'm more confident in my ability to read Kaede.

Hearing this makes me happy.

Cursory glance i still think Aero's town, not sure on the rest of the posts yet, but i dont have much time as of right now.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #654 (isolation #76) » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:19 am

In post 648, LaserGuy wrote:
In post 556, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:Ok, let's watch this "scum" perform a double bus then
VOTE: NM
Why did you vote NM here? When you mention him before in #482, #400 and #268, you don't seem to find anything particularly scummy in his play.

2 reasons
1. I had a null read on NM and since a lot of people were scumreading him I figured that maybe they were better at reading NM than me.
2. I always have this thing that when someone says im scum with X while voting X makes me want to vote X too.

In post 653, LaserGuy wrote:
In post 647, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:Cursory glance i still think Aero's town, not sure on the rest of the posts yet, but i dont have much time as of right now.
Why did you single out Aero here in particular as deserving of special mention?

This post jumped out at me:

In post 604, Aeronaut wrote:Kaede actually felt townier to me after that thing yesterday re: "Let's see how scummy i am after hammering my second partner" (paraphrasing).

Idk, that feels like way too much confidence from scum.

This felt town, just like the way he attacked Wisdom back in D1 which was my initial townread on him.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #659 (isolation #77) » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:05 pm

Quoting a bit out of order due to the questions themselves.

In post 657, Aeronaut wrote:Your reason for townreading me is that I townread you?

Not exactly, I townread you since D1, but you flipped your read on me with sound reasoning and i liked that.

In post 657, Aeronaut wrote:Your reason for Hammering Not_Mafia was that other people thought you were scum with him?

It's a thing i like to do when this happens yes, and this I know it's not the first time it has happened, basically what goes through my mind is "You think im scum with X? well here i'll vote X, let's see what you think now". Sometimes I get interesting reactions out of it, but I liked your read on it.

In post 658, Aeronaut wrote:Kaede have you ever done the first thing in any other games?

Im p.sure I have, at least on my old main, cant remember specific instances off the top of my head, but generally when a majority of other people read someone differently to me makes me reconsider, in this case it was more of a "Well i cant read NM, so the ppl scumreading him might have reasons for doing so"

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #660 (isolation #78) » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:18 pm

Please keep asking me questions btw if you have any, I like questions, and will help me see things that people are seeing that im probably arent.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #662 (isolation #79) » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:23 pm

In post 661, LaserGuy wrote:Who was saying that you were scum with NM? I see people reading you scum a bit at the end of D2, but I don't see anyone explicitly connecting you and NM.

I think Aero did, as his post was the one that triggered my reply. I think it was this?:

In post 554, Aeronaut wrote:Alright, done.

VOTE: NM

Would also vote Kaede or LUV.

Not Mafia literally spent all of yesterday trying to wagon anything that moved, but when it came time for the scum wagon, he was just being shifty and refused to join with no good reason behind it.

LUV isn't doing anything meaningful in the game. He's voting for me, sure, but he's not really pushing me or asking questions, nor is he really pushing very hard for my lynch (posting an ISO and saying "SEE?!" when nobody else sees it is not pushing hard).

Kaede's hammer yesterday was equally kind of bad because like NM, he really didn't have any good reason to not join the wagon. I really could see scum trying to end that day asap tbh.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #664 (isolation #80) » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:34 pm

In post 661, LaserGuy wrote:What are your reads on me and Luca Blight?

Both town

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #667 (isolation #81) » Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:56 pm

In post 665, Luca Blight wrote:Who's scum?

LUV

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #668 (isolation #82) » Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:56 pm

Btw happy scumday Luca

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #675 (isolation #83) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:13 am

VOTE: Kokichi
#SheepingMyTownreads

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #677 (isolation #84) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:27 am

I think it's 2 of LUV/Koki/Smocaine atm, btw.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #703 (isolation #85) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:56 am

In post 702, Aeronaut wrote:@Kaede can you talk me through why you're voting for Kokichi besides the fact that your townreads are voting them?

Yeah i was sheeping, but it's also part of my reads:

In post 677, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:I think it's 2 of LUV/Koki/Smocaine atm, btw.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #707 (isolation #86) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:03 am

In post 706, Aeronaut wrote:
In post 703, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:
In post 702, Aeronaut wrote:@Kaede can you talk me through why you're voting for Kokichi besides the fact that your townreads are voting them?
Yeah i was sheeping, but it's also part of my reads:
In post 677, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:I think it's 2 of LUV/Koki/Smocaine atm, btw.
Well what about kokichi is pinging you personally? (if you've already talked about it somewhere, I apologize, just link me)

his lack of doing anything other than his weird push on me D1, which i already talked about with Cheet back then when he was asking me about it. I stepped back on it back then coz i thought he improved, but maybe i went too easy.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #756 (isolation #87) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:33 am

Ok i got tired of all these power outages so ill phone post an unvote and give more later when i can keep my pc on.
UNVOTE:
But this is taking me back to V3.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #812 (isolation #88) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:15 am

To elaborate on what i said earlier, im typing this as fast as i can just in case another power outage happens, but when cheet and chara mentioned this being par for the course of a possible townKokichi PR, i was wondering "Where the heck did i see one" and then I remembered V3, where he was one there, and a player that thought that giving scum information to get upgrades was a good idea.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #815 (isolation #89) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:16 am

In post 813, Aeronaut wrote:which he based on almost nothing.

I thought he based it on meta? or am i misremembering.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #816 (isolation #90) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:17 am

In post 813, Aeronaut wrote:because creature's scum game would get found out regardless.

This is true.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #819 (isolation #91) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:19 am

I've been thinking cheet is town since before the creature lynch.
Why would anyone be townread for a scum!creature lynch, like really.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #820 (isolation #92) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:22 am

In post 813, Aeronaut wrote:Cheetory has said he's underrated as scum, and I know that more than anyone to be true

What's the point of mentioning this?

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #825 (isolation #93) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:26 am

I was thinking Aero was town but that 813, is all levels of bad IMO.

He basically's asking what he's done to make him town, and idk, his posts and tone just feel town to me, when did anyone base a TR on him via a creature lynch other than you?, and it wasnt based on nothing, it was based on meta, and then saying something that would be true for anyone with meta knowledge of creature.

Like idk, am I the only one seeing this?

P-Edit: Aero if this isnt what I should be thinking about your post, then feel free to correct me as well.

P-Edit 2: Okay that's a better question.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #826 (isolation #94) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:27 am

I feel like my read on aero keeps flip flopping with some posts and others...

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #830 (isolation #95) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:55 am

This was supposed to be mentioned in that other post, but I forgot, anyway:

In post 813, Aeronaut wrote:Cheetory has said he's underrated as scum, and I know that more than anyone to be true.

This felt kinda like fear mongering to me, tho it's kinda irrelevant now since you dont seem to be pushing cheet anymore?

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #831 (isolation #96) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 11:00 am

Oh I missed this.

In post 829, Aeronaut wrote:I unvoted because I need to think about all of this for a bit. I'm not over thinking you could be scum, but your response was exactly what I'd be looking for from town cheetory, so I'm less sure.

Nevermind!

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #860 (isolation #97) » Sun Dec 24, 2017 1:55 pm

In post 854, Luca Blight wrote:My lynch pool for today:

Uzi
Kaede
Smocaine

I have a feeling that we arent going to get along. More importantly, why is your lynch pool so similar to what I had earlier, except swapping me with Kokichi, does this make sense to you? If you think im scum you'd have to think I not only bused Creature but have also soft bused Uzi (or hard bused if I lynch him) if he's my other partner or Smocaine as I also had him as potential lynch.
So, you think my master plan here is to bus everyone, FoS all my partners, and somehow avoid staying under the radar from you as you have had me as potential suspect since D2.
And more importantly, why havent you laid a vote on me since RVS?

For all the interactions we've had together you'd have a stronger stance no? Why does it feel like you just keep leaving me in your lynchpool engage me all the time but never want to actually lynch me?

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #863 (isolation #98) » Sun Dec 24, 2017 5:10 pm

I thought you said you were a vanilla cop? what's the point then?

*proceeds to ignore Luca's question*

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #865 (isolation #99) » Sun Dec 24, 2017 5:24 pm

I thought all vanilla cops get is whether a player is vanilla or not, so why were you hunting for a busing partner with it?

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #867 (isolation #100) » Sun Dec 24, 2017 5:39 pm

In post 866, Kokichi Oma wrote:Goon lynched so I am pushing on a non vanilla result

So like your Marquis result if he hadn't died?

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #880 (isolation #101) » Mon Dec 25, 2017 1:47 pm

VOTE: LUV

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #882 (isolation #102) » Mon Dec 25, 2017 1:53 pm

I still dont think Aero's scum. Didn't like your intent jump there.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #884 (isolation #103) » Mon Dec 25, 2017 2:07 pm

Feels as opportunistic as your vote on me back on D1.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #889 (isolation #104) » Mon Dec 25, 2017 2:24 pm

In post 885, Luca Blight wrote:Your vote, however, does feel opportunistic to me.

Yeah, totally 1 vote on LUV is totally opportunistic.

In post 887, Smocaine wrote:
In post 876, Smocaine wrote:Yeah Kaede, why are you giving me the cold shoulder qt?

Combination of gut, not having a TR on you and having a TR on Aero

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #892 (isolation #105) » Mon Dec 25, 2017 2:28 pm

In post 891, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 884, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:Feels as opportunistic as your vote on me back on D1.
Not seeing it. Straight up hammering would have been taking advantage of the situation. Giving notice that I intend to isn’t.

Is that what opportunistic means?
Dunno straight up hammering if he flips town would look bad on you regardless.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #902 (isolation #106) » Mon Dec 25, 2017 3:24 pm

In post 894, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Your read on Aero amounts to tone yes? Can you tell me the difference between scum tone and town tone?

That and I liked his questioning of Wis way back on D1 that everyone disliked. Eh maybe im wrong, idk, he being so sure im town after this is making me have doubts myself.
UNVOTE:
Will need to rethink stuff, but I still dont think Aero's scum.
If someone's snowing me it's probably Luca, like that earlier lynchpool just pinged me so hard.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #909 (isolation #107) » Mon Dec 25, 2017 5:14 pm

In post 907, Chara wrote:Uzi is really only above Kaede because of the Aero read.

So basically im below Uzi because i'm actually competent?

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #916 (isolation #108) » Mon Dec 25, 2017 7:23 pm

In post 911, Chara wrote:i mean, 909 is basically saying anyone scumreading Aero is incompetent, unless you meant something else, so i don't know what you want me to say..?

Sorry, that wasnt my intention, it's just that i just find him town and it's felt weird, all the SRs on him since D1, when it's given me the opposite impression, but i probably read people differently, i didnt mean to call the people SRing him incompetent, it just feels to me like people arent trying, sorry.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #921 (isolation #109) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:42 am

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Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #922 (isolation #110) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:43 am

Since when did townreading someone that everyone else is townreading make someone scum...
You know what I decided to give 0 fucks anymore, no one is gonna listen to my words anyway.
VOTE: Aero

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #923 (isolation #111) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:44 am

*that everyone else is scumreading

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #924 (isolation #112) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:46 am

Btw im still 95% sure that's flipping town.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #926 (isolation #113) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:31 am

It is, but not everyone else
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
And apparently being honest is lying, like wtf is with this game, apparently I forgot I even said that Aero was fear mongering among other things, and then my stances are a lie, nevertheless, I stopped caring so w/e.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #928 (isolation #114) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:35 am

In post 927, Cheetory6 wrote:So it's unreasonable to think you're scum.
And if anyone does fuck the whole game and fuck your reads basically?

No, fuck people that assumes something is a lie when I just simply... forgot? The only strong thing that has stuck to me from Aero was the D1 interactions, I remember there was some 1v1 with you, but I didnt remember the details and didnt bother ISOing myself to remember.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #930 (isolation #115) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:36 am

In post 929, Luca Blight wrote:It's laughable how you accuse Uzi of being 'opportunistic' for his intent to hammer when you then go ahead and hammer without warning yourself.

That is indeed laughable, yeah.
Do i care?
Probably not

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #932 (isolation #116) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:38 am

In post 930, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:Do i care?
Probably not

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #934 (isolation #117) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:41 am

But yeah since it was a meta question I might as well answer.
Yes i've played with Aero twice before, one time I was scum and he was town, and the other time we were both town.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #935 (isolation #118) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:55 am

Sigh...
whatever, maybe i'm just a jerk after all and I never noticed.
first PMyLo with Maki telling me that she wont play with me if im scum that game (tho she went back on that).
And now this.

I should just stop playing mafia like I said I would at the end of that game.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #937 (isolation #119) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:03 am

In post 936, Cheetory6 wrote:Don't play against your wincon and I won't care?
If a few people saying you're scum makes you hammer a townreading then I think you need to figure out what your priorities are supposed to be in a game.

And why's that a problem for you? I thought you were SO SURE he's flipping scum?
Sure I may not be very good at explaining things, pushign ppl or defending people, so I stopped bothering and just hammered him so we get a flip already.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #939 (isolation #120) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:05 am

As for the rest of the comment, few ppl scumreading me has made me self hammer as town before, i dunno what else were you expecting from me.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #941 (isolation #121) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:07 am

In post 940, Cheetory6 wrote:Could just not do that?

I'm trying, but it's frustrating when people dont listen to me, or a byproduct of me being bad at defending people/myself.
Which is why is probably better that I stop playing mafia.

Kaede Akamatsu · Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:48 am

Aero flips town, not surprised.

Kaede Akamatsu · Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:49 am

Anyway i wanna lynch this today
VOTE: Luca

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #982 (isolation #124) » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:20 pm

In post 981, Cheetory6 wrote:I'm honestly just underplaying and I probably just need to take a step back and actually put some effort into ISOdiving instead of following my gut.

You really should, and then see how weird it is that Luca keeps me in his lynchpool all the time, keeps pressuring me, keeps interacting with me... and then only actually votes me when i vote LUV.

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #985 (isolation #125) » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:44 pm

Where is everyone?

Purposefully ignores Luca's question

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #992 (isolation #126) » Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:27 am

I guess everyone's busy with new year stuff?

Kaede Akamatsu · Post Post #996 (isolation #127) » Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:15 am

In post 994, Cheetory6 wrote:
In post 982, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:and then only actually votes me when i vote LUV.
So you think LUV/Luca scumteam?

i have nfi anymore.

Kaede Akamatsu · Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:29 am

So both me and Luca are voting each other.
Koki and Smocaine are voting each other.
Game is apathetic.
Maybe it's not Luca after all?

It feels like scum's happy with the current situation.
UNVOTE:

Kaede Akamatsu · Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:53 pm

In post 1010, Smocaine wrote:unvoting doesn't change the situation at all. Where do you stand on Smo v Kooki?

probs both town tbh, but hell if i know, i feel disconnected from the game.

Kaede Akamatsu · Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:46 am

I think my got D1 might just have been right...
VOTE: LUV

Kaede Akamatsu · Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:56 pm

In post 1032, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:How do you suddenly have a clue?

I dont "suddenly" have a clue, I still don't, just going with what I think feels right.

Kaede Akamatsu · Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:48 pm

prod dodge

Kaede Akamatsu · Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:49 pm

Yeah i still have no idea sorry.

Kaede Akamatsu · Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:30 am

In post 1060, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 1053, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:Yeah i still have no idea sorry.
Yet you’re voting me..

So?

Kaede Akamatsu · Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:34 am

with the history this game has with QHs, might as well claim now.
Ruin Maniac Foster, Town 2S Role Cop
N1 - LUV: Vanilla
N2 - Smocaine: Vanilla

There happy? now scum knows where to not shoot unless LUV and/or Smocaine are scum.

Kaede Akamatsu · Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:03 pm

I thought Kokichi was supposed to be a JOAT.

Kaede Akamatsu · Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:26 pm

Kokichi's shot wasnt a role cop, was a vanilla cop, and he said he had a doc too.
Idk how that doesnt make sense, i'd be suspicious if he was a 2s Vanilla cop yes, but you're suggesting that if i for example were a full doc i'd be suspicious of any JOATs that happen to have a doc shot.

Kaede Akamatsu · Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:39 pm

I find it funny how you dont realize that my role cop results is what makes this game so confusing to me.

Kaede Akamatsu · Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:20 pm

VOTE: Luca
Fine, i have no better leads anyway.

Kaede Akamatsu · Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:03 pm

In post 1096, Smocaine wrote:
In post 1076, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:with the history this game has with QHs, might as well claim now.
Ruin Maniac Foster, Town 2S Role Cop
N1 - LUV: Vanilla
N2 - Smocaine: Vanilla

There happy? now scum knows where to not shoot unless LUV and/or Smocaine are scum.
Scum wasn't going to shoot either of us. That much should have been obvious, no?

Perhaps, i was hoping to find someting scum looking in their role because you and LUV were my best bet for scum, but 3x goons is like ehhhhh.

Kaede Akamatsu · Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:51 pm

In post 1107, Cheetory6 wrote:Feeling LUV/Kaede scumteam atm.

Would say this is BS, but then I remembered that Marathon where me and my scum partner hard cross bussed the entire time while town just self imploded and we won in the end without ever dying.

Kaede Akamatsu · Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:52 pm

I guess cheet's going to keep saying im scum no matter what I do, so I'm not gonna bother doing anything.

Kaede Akamatsu · Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:55 pm

In post 1111, Cheetory6 wrote:See yeah, stuff like that doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

Dont think the position im in helps any.

Kaede Akamatsu · Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:03 pm

Regardless for someone that thinks this:

In post 1107, Cheetory6 wrote:Feeling LUV/Kaede scumteam atm.

You arent really trying are you.

Kaede Akamatsu · Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:16 pm

In post 1114, Luca Blight wrote:Kaede, why are you scumreading me?

I'm pretty sure I mentioned why I was scumreading you before, But I've been clueless for a while so I figured sheeping Kokichi was a better use of my vote than voting LUV.
I may be starting to see the light now tho.
UNVOTE:

Kaede Akamatsu · Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:25 pm

In post 1117, Smocaine wrote:
In post 1113, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:Regardless for someone that thinks this:
In post 1107, Cheetory6 wrote:Feeling LUV/Kaede scumteam atm.
You arent really trying are you.
Break this down for me

Both you and LUV can attest that you're Vanilla yes? If I'm scum why would I even bother targeting a scum mate.
Second, I hate busing my partners unless I absolutely have to, but I dont mind being bused in the slightest.
LUV and I are impossible to be scum together
Third, You do realize that after I flip green you have to lynch 2 scum back to back no?

There's too many holes in Cheet's scumteam theory, and the reason why is because I'm town. Why is he trying to go after me instead of LUV who even I support? and have done so since like D1?

Kaede Akamatsu · Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:25 pm

In post 1118, Luca Blight wrote:Kaede, what has caused you to go from scumreading Uzi to being clueless?

If your biggest scumread flipped Town then I could understand that position, but I don't see what has caused you to stop pushing an Uzi lynch.

When i realized i was scumreading both Uzi and Smocaine but that's impossible unless the scumteam was all goons, so someone's snowing me.

Kaede Akamatsu · Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:38 pm

You know it's obvious where I'm going with this anyway. So.
VOTE: Cheet

Kaede Akamatsu · Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:39 pm

If im dying today then at least i want to be able to say postgame that I identified scum!cheet before dying and getting spoilers or whatever the dead ppl have.

Kaede Akamatsu · Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:44 pm

In post 1123, Smocaine wrote:Would you classify your scumhame as 'grimey' Kaede?

grimey?

Kaede Akamatsu · Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:04 pm

In post 1125, Smocaine wrote:yes, filthy, gross, 'unethical'

Hm no?

Kaede Akamatsu · Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:08 pm

In post 1127, Smocaine wrote:What do you make of someone saying they will quit if you're scum here, and then you flipping scum?

?
Dunno what's the point of this question, i'm not flipping scum here anyways?

Kaede Akamatsu · Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:39 pm

In post 1129, Smocaine wrote:didn't you say something to that effect about another game, or someone else said that, in this game?

Yeah, in PMyLo 3 Maki said that, and I did feel really bad about it to the point of throwing almost everything out of the window and making suboptimal moves just to prevent me from flipping anytime sooner than endgame, in the end she said that she shouldnt have said that because it was ok for me to be mad about something regardless of what alignment i had, and I still dont think i did something unethical there, what did happen is that i felt really bad about whatever had happened at the time.
In either case I dont like doing unethical things as either alignment, and obviously it would reason that after what happened in that game it would have less chance of repeat.

Kaede Akamatsu · Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:29 pm

In post 1131, Smocaine wrote:so the thought process of Kaede woulnd'tdo somethinhdo is wrong?

I dont even know what you're getting at?

Kaede Akamatsu · Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:36 pm

I dont know if I have a harder time understanding your questions or understanding the point of your questions. I cant even figure out what you meant to type on #1131

Kaede Akamatsu · Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:45 am

In post 1135, Cheetory6 wrote:ii) You bussed plenty in PMYLO.

In post 1119, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:unless I absolutely have to

Kaede Akamatsu · Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:47 am

Like you can even tell I tried to save wicked in PMyLo3, plus PMyLo is by itself a bad example due to how the mechanics make it hard for scum to hide if they dont bus.
You aren't really trying now.

Kaede Akamatsu · Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:55 am

In post 1142, Cheetory6 wrote:Who exactly would you be unreluctantly bussing this game Kaede?
Just going to ignore everything else to make a tedious nitpick?

LUV
And no im not ignoring everything else, but you keep saying "this is kaede's scum meta, this is kaede's scum meta" so what can i say other than the obvious NO THIS ISNT MY SCUM META BECAUSE IM FREAKING TOWN!

Kaede Akamatsu · Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:56 am

To put things into perspective.
You're lying about my scum meta.
Kokichi knows it and hell if i know why he isnt voting you.

Kaede Akamatsu · Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:58 am

I will turn this into a 1v1 if i have to, but im not going to let you get away with that, but you will die either before me or after me, you wont make it alive to endgame.

Kaede Akamatsu · Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:00 am

In post 1147, Cheetory6 wrote:So what happens when I get home tonight and I meticulously break down why you haven't been unreluctantly bussing LUV all game?

1) I cant be busing LUV if im town!
2) But you're welcome to try to pin down whoever you want as my partner, it'll be pointless and you will fall regardless
so 1+2 = What happens? i dont FUCKING CARE

Kaede Akamatsu · Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:05 am

Spoiler: Re: Bussing

In post 1149, Cheetory6 wrote:Why am I scum Kaede? Like literally the only reason you're giving is that I'm pushing you.

In post 1145, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:You're lying about my scum meta.

In post 1120, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:When i realized i was scumreading both Uzi and Smocaine but that's impossible unless the scumteam was all goons, so
someone's snowing me.

Kaede Akamatsu · Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:05 am

Yes i'll repeat myself as often as I have to, since apparently you're the twist words type of person.

Kaede Akamatsu · Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:09 am

You're the one that keeps bringing the busing argument back, trying to discredit it.
I already said you're lying about my scum meta.

Kaede Akamatsu · Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:19 am

But since you want me to reply to your entire wall then sure:

In post 1135, Cheetory6 wrote:I've seen townYou be frustrated over being pushed.
I really don't think this is it.

"i really dont think this is it".
Quite compelling argument there, very convincing, you dont "think" this is it, so what am i supposed to say? THIS IS IT BECAUSE IM TOWN?.

In post 1135, Cheetory6 wrote:You resorted to this kind of "oh woe is me"-shtick as scum in Perpetual MYLO from what I saw. There hasn't been a convincing level of conviction from you at all this game in any push you've made. It's frankly pretty convenient that you're not willing to push or discuss reads when your lynch seems kind of inevitable.

And according to you this is unlikely to come from town me? Did you really read any of my town games? Have you really never seen a town Kaede get demotivated with a game?
Sorry if you were expecting me to say i'm not doing these things, because no im not going to say im not doing something im obviously doing, but you attributing this entirely to my scumgame is clearly a lie.

In post 1135, Cheetory6 wrote:Your Wisdom interactions earlygame read as really appeasy, where I think you would be more interested in sorting him or expressing your confidence level in your ability to read him as I saw in a recent towngame.

Scum!Wis wouldnt push a Town!Kaede that hard because it will become a super toxic environment for everyone involved in the game.
citations: piegame / Votefuckery / Several others.

In post 1135, Cheetory6 wrote:Your latest posts dismissing everything I've said as just me being irrational and scumreading you regardless of what you do is baffling considering you're not even playing the game at this point. What am I supposed to townread you off of? There's literally nothing that's even protown, let alone worth townleaning?

This is possibly the only thing in this entire wall that I agree with. But then again, this is literally the same thing ppl usually say about me when they get me ML'd, so *shrug*

In post 1135, Cheetory6 wrote:There's just so much there that I'm just not really interested in engaging you on AtE. If you want to try pushing a case on someone, I'd be willing to consider thinking harder about this, but deadline is creeping up and you're giving me no reason to not want to lynch you.

So because deadline is coming you rather be wrong on me than try harder? Doesnt look like town's way of thinking.
Like I dont think I'm even that hard to read, so I have very low reason to think someone I've played several games with would be wrong about me.

There happy? Now let's turn this into a quote wall war since that's what you want.

Kaede Akamatsu · Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:25 am

Oh and since you keep bringing PMyLo:
1) I replaced into a situation where all the scum was already busing each other, all of my partners were mostly guilty to some degree and I couldnt afford to do anything crazy and had to resort to keep busing.
2) Day 2 wicked did make towny looking posts which allowed me to stand back, but then Shuichi brought wicked meta that he was towny sounding as scum and anything short of busing would've looked not natural.
3) Anything further, DS and Dunn just kept being scummy and i couldnt naturally townread either, it's a hard situation for anyone to townread their partners. Which is what ultimately demised me because I had to play to win so I had to hard defend DS.
Hence why it's a bad example.

Kaede Akamatsu · Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:27 am

Considering the situation i was in that game, you bringing this "OH MY GOD LOOK KAEDE BUSED IN PMYLO" reeks hard.

Kaede Akamatsu · Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:30 am

In post 1160, Cheetory6 wrote:P-Edit: Why would you imply I was lying then if I'm missing context? What was even the point of that?

Why would I know you're missing context? if you did your research (which is easy coz a lot of my busing that game was explained both in the scum PT and in endgame and is exactly what i just said), you would have known this.
So you just went, looked for a game i was scum and looked at how much i bused without context? and this is how you're pushing me?

Kaede Akamatsu · Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:31 am

In post 1160, Cheetory6 wrote:Glad you also left out the part about how terrible the Aero hammer was because it's a pretty big facet of why I think you're scum right now.

Oh yes that indeed was terrible.
So?
I'm not scum.

Kaede Akamatsu · Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:34 am

Like i dont know why you didnt even at least read the endgame or the scum PT if you're looking for evidence of a potential scum!me busing.

Then again, it's irrelevant, now that I think about it, because after flipping town it wouldnt matter anyway.

I'm trying to figure out what was the point of that, or if there's any point to it.

And the more I think about it, the less sense it makes to come from scum, while it also doesnt make sense to come from town so it's NAI.

Maybe I should have just let you ML me and leave you at a LyLo without a clue.

Kaede Akamatsu · Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:35 am

In post 1165, Cheetory6 wrote:The bussing wasn't even a point in the fucking case? I just remembered that you had bussed from when I was looking at other things? How are you still acting like bussing is a central facet when it clearly isn't from the case I wrote? You literally are just taking that I think that you/LUV are plausible partners from some awkward interactions you've had and acting liek "THAT'S WHY HE THINKS I'M SCUM HE'S A FUCKING LIAR". It's blatant misrepresentation of what I'm saying to do that.

Yeah i just realized that.
My bad.

Kaede Akamatsu · Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:36 am

What went through my head was more of the lines of "OMFG HOW THE FUCK DO I MAKE SENSE AS SCUM WITH LUV" and thinking you wanted to ML me after lynching LUV, but then I realized it didnt make any sense.

Kaede Akamatsu · Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:38 am

In post 1169, Cheetory6 wrote:
In post 1166, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:Maybe I should have just let you ML me and leave you at a LyLo without a clue.
You could also just start by pulling me 1-2 scumgames where you've indicated that you do not like to bus, instead of being petty?

I certainly could.
The issue is that before PMyLo i hadnt rolled scum for like a year or 2.
With the latest scumgame was where i hard cross bused with Bun and me telling him in the scum PT to "PLEASE GIVE ME SOMETHING TO GET OFF YOU" because i hate busing
Oh and there's that multiball game too, but I dont remember mentioning it that game, specially coz the plan was that i be lynched from the cross bus not my partner.

Kaede Akamatsu · Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:40 am

I mean, im pretty sure it's common knowledge that I liked perfect scum wins until I hated rolling scum so...

Kaede Akamatsu · Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:43 am

In post 1173, Cheetory6 wrote:
In post 1166, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:Maybe I should have just let you ML me and leave you at a LyLo without a clue.
Also kind of struggling to imagine you saying this when you're apparently still waffling on whether I'm town or scum.

Because if it's not you then who tf is it.
My results dont lie, i doubt we are up against 3x goons, kokichi's the only one with a PR known and their PR is kinda weak specially for a scum role (why even have a doc), so that's dismissed which leaves you or Luca as a partner of either smocaine or LUV.

Oh wait... momo exists, why do i keep forgetting they are in this game.

Kaede Akamatsu · Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:44 am

VOTE: momo
I'm probably gonna end up making enemy of everyone at this point but whatever, there's no way im not getting ML'd today it seems.

Kaede Akamatsu · Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:48 am

In post 1176, Cheetory6 wrote:Why do you believe the doc aspect of Kokichi's role if you're speccing whether he's scum?

Hmm...
Nah scum!Kokichi would have hammered me.
He's probs town regardless of everything else.

Kaede Akamatsu · Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:48 am

@Luca:

Since you think kokichi's scum what do you think of the above?

Kaede Akamatsu · Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:11 am

In post 1179, Cheetory6 wrote:Do you still think LUV is scum?

Im still at the (i dont like LUV/Smocaine but they cant both be scum) So yes.

Kaede Akamatsu · Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:56 am

In post 1182, Cheetory6 wrote:What's your read on both of them in terms of their individual play besides the fact that they can't both be scum?
Are you more confident that momo is scum than you are in either of them individually as scum?

Is as i said, i think they are scummy. I didnt like smocaine's questions earlier about "do you do unethical stuff as scum?" and such for example, those questions seemed to be going nowhere. If both werent vanilla results i could go with either, but as it stands I have a 50% chance on either of them, momo is PoE for the partner.

Kaede Akamatsu · Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:12 pm

In post 1188, Cheetory6 wrote:
In post 1187, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:momo is PoE for the partner.
Why are you now townreading Luca and I?
Your last read on Laser was town. Why is the slot now reading as closer to scum/null to you?

I'd like to explain it, but I can't, and I'm too stressed and dont have the motivation to try and figure my gut out when I have a booming headache and I rather just be resting. Quite a bad timing to have gone sick when deadline is close. I tried as much as I could, you aren't believing anything I say, I'm not gonna spend more time into this game, it's not worth it.

Kaede Akamatsu · Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:02 am

What makes you think im lurking the deadline lol. I woke up 3 hours ago and had to run some errands but im around now.

Kaede Akamatsu · Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:03 am

Actually didnt realize deadline was 3 hours... i thought we still had around 10.
Good thing I didnt go back to sleep.

Kaede Akamatsu · Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:04 am

Anyway I'll hammer LUV in 1 hour if Kokichi doesnt.

Kaede Akamatsu · Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:24 am

VOTE: LUV

(Yeah too lazy to reupload the old image)

momo has voted for

Execution

Cheetory8 has voted for

Execution

Smocaine has voted for

Execution

Kaede Akamatsu has voted for

Execution

Kaede Akamatsu · Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:25 am

Maybe i've been playing too much throne of lies lately lol.

Kaede Akamatsu · Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:28 am

I just realized i put Cheetory8 instead of Cheetory6
NUUUUUU NOW IT DOESNT LOOK AS GOOD ;-;

Kaede Akamatsu · Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:33 pm

What result? I said i was 2S RoleCop

Kaede Akamatsu · Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:39 pm

Catch-22
What were you even expecting to happen?

Kaede Akamatsu · Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:42 pm

In post 1221, Smocaine wrote:A 3rd result tbh ): Where are you at this lovely lylo Kaede?

I am at you're not probably scum.
You made a fair point earlier that you'd have lynched me if you were.

Kaede Akamatsu · Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:47 pm

In post 1223, Luca Blight wrote:So who is scum, Kaede?

Well, I was about to say that kokichi was guaranteed scum if either or both of you and momo are vanilla, but i doubt scum would tell the truth specially since i cant verify it anymore.
Now that i recovered from being sick i can do some rereading and stuff and try to figure it out without getting a headache.

Kaede Akamatsu · Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:47 pm

Actually that only applies to "Both" i guess.

Kaede Akamatsu · Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:33 pm

In post 1230, Smocaine wrote:
In post 1224, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:
In post 1223, Luca Blight wrote:So who is scum, Kaede?
Well, I was about to say that kokichi was guaranteed scum if either or both of you and momo are vanilla, but i doubt scum would tell the truth specially since i cant verify it anymore.
Now that i recovered from being sick i can do some rereading and stuff and try to figure it out without getting a headache.
Can you make this thought more coherent for me?

If momo and Luca are both vanilla then Kokichi's guaranteed scum for me, but I can't verify if someone's telling the truth about their role anymore or not as im out of shots, and scum can lie about it.

Kaede Akamatsu · Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:43 pm

In post 1233, Smocaine wrote:Given that you can't know if those two are vanilla, who is scum?

I need to re-read.

Kaede Akamatsu · Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:46 pm

In post 1235, Smocaine wrote:The time for that was yesterday6, no?

Yesterday i was still sick

Kaede Akamatsu · Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:39 pm

Nope, for a week.

Kaede Akamatsu · Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:00 pm

Oh wait, i just realized you were probably asking me about yesterday in game not yesterday irl.
I do remember doing some reading and momo literally dissapearing and that's why i voted him, I should look at them again today (or rather when I wake up).

Kaede Akamatsu · Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:57 am

In post 1240, Luca Blight wrote:Late D4 you held the opinion that Kokichi was probtown:

In post 1177, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:
In post 1176, Cheetory6 wrote:Why do you believe the doc aspect of Kokichi's role if you're speccing whether he's scum?
Hmm...
Nah scum!Kokichi would have hammered me.
He's probs town regardless of everything else.
Since then we've only had an Uzi flip, who you knew was going to be vanilla, and Cheet, who was always likely vanilla as well, so why didn't you suspect Kokichi more on D4?

I'm fairly sure I mentioned that Kokichi's scum only if the rest are vanilla, I still hold a TR on Kokichi, but the problem is that I dont see a 3x goon team existing.
The other issue is that scum can just lie and say they are VT at this point.

Kaede Akamatsu · Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:48 am

Ok so I think it's either Momo/Kokichi or Momo/Luca
VOTE: Momo
I dont see a world where both Kokichi and Luca are scum together.
I dont see a world where Smocaine is scum who didnt Deadline ML a Town PR