Open 709: Masons and Monks (Game Over)

[davesaz]

If I were thinking that, wouldn't it be rather antitown for someone else to just blurt out that it's what they think I'm thinking?
As for what I'm thinking, it's a "neither confirm nor deny" kinda thing.

Pedit: uh oh, thread's taken off, hope that doesn't mean that I'm gonna fall way behind on all these upcoming days where I have appointments.

[momo]

a lolcase on why archwing wagon is shit

You're "strange" not scummy!

UNVOTE:

yeah it's probably a playstyle thing.

Just to sort of piggy back this, I did a Mini Normal with Elsa, and this is pretty equivalent to their playstyle - They actually tried to create an entire pre-game narrative. It was rather entertaining. Too much roleplay though.

"hello i am scum and i am going to tell everyone that i'm jumping on this LAMIST train by opportunistically defending elsa"
oh wait that's right scum don't literally say they're doing something scummy

Moz, Almost, jay town.

Where does your town read on Almost come from?

"hello i am scum and i'm gonna ask you to help convince everyone that A50 is town"
oh yeah that's right this is actually a good question which has no utility for scum

Hey, phone posting at work atm, so I will provide more tomorrow when I can get to a computer - sorry for noy being active right now, I usually try to be involved more.

I'd probably wanna scum buddy up with Elsa, cause I like their play style and I think we could have some fun with it.. I haven't really played with much of this list, other than 1 game with Elsa and 1 with Moz.

I find the amount of meta reads going on in the first 5 pages crazy. Like I get that we don't have much to go on, but it seems like that is all everyone is doing. Expect more analysis from me in 24 hrs or so.

UNVOTE: my rvs vote.

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"hello i am scum and i'm going to shit all over the first 5 pages by criticising the meta discussion that i myself took part in and then complain about inability to get into the game"
oh that's right, utter hypocrisy and no clear direction is a towntell, not a scumtell

archwing is a shit wagon, gg

so r u scum or town reading arch...so confused....cause I see scum, but you might be towning...idk

[Mathdino]

i'm mocking people who are scumreading arch

arch does things scum rarely do

gimme more reads momo other than the awesome and correct beefster scumread

[momo]

dave being too vague=scum lean

jay=town due to reactions

I always read a50 as town

you are playing the same as you always do....when you finally role scum against me Imma get played very hard

talon voted me so omgus

raya just said later

so yea

More details will come with more content I guess

[numberQ]

Vote Count (1.4)

Almost50 [0]

Archwing [1]

mozamis

Assemblerotws [1]

davesaz

Beefster [4]

Mathdino, momo, JaydragonKing, Almost50

davesaz [0]

Dunnstral [1]

Assemblerotws

JaydragonKing [0]

Kotoko Utsugi [0]

Mathdino [0]

momo [2]

talon152, Beefster

mozamis [0]

Raya36 [0]

talon152 [1]

Raya36

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Not Voting:

Archwing, Dunnstral, Kotoko Utsugi

Deadline:

(expired on 2018-01-27 17:48:59)

Kotoko Utsugi has been prodded.

@mod: Did the scum team get to chat during pre-game?

Yes.

[momo]

In post 127, momo wrote:
@mod: Did the scum team get to chat during pre-game?


Yes.

Shit! Guys scum has something plan..somebody (I'll do it tomorrow if nobody has) scour the thread for every instance of one player defending another in a link going both ways for reasons

[JaydragonKing]

Umm... At least that means the Monks and Mason's got to know each other as well?

[Mathdino]

Congratulations, momo.

1. It's been 7 pages, you're not gonna find those associations.

2. 2 players hard defending each other isn't even a scumtell. Chainsaw defending is more likely but still a shit tell.

3. Now you've nulled every instance of that happening going forward because scum knows you're looking for that.

Speedlynching Beefster and canvassing incoming players on thoughts on speedlynching Beefster (and why they're not yet voting Beefster on my awesome lolcase) is a much better way to spend our time imo.

Edit: Jay is correct. momo is more likely to find the masons and monks than mafia/wolves.
I would prefer to NOT give more information on who the masons/monks are.

[Mathdino]

In fact, I would go so far as to say that reads lists are anti-town.

[JaydragonKing]

Dang, Momo is the problem child this time while I'm being taken seriously and giving some good points once in a while.

And I'm only going to get better as a player as time goes on. Woop Woop!

[Assemblerotws]

Okay, Math, you generally have good sense, but you're going to need to explain that "readslists are anti-town" to me.

[Almost50]

Okay, Math, you generally have good sense, but you're going to need to explain that "readslists are anti-town" to me.

Me too, actually. Because Masons/Monks are not even guaranteed to be Town, so neither pair should automatically assume they're both Town.

[Mathdino]

I'm speaking from experience from the last time I played a mason open. The masons were too clear about their reads and started chainsaw defending each other. By D2 the entire mason team was outed (after a mason kill on N1).

A50 makes a good point that I hadn't fully thought through.

That said, being masons/monks with someone makes them half as likely to be scum, and you're probably gonna want them around for later so you can read them in the hood. Plus masons/monks like to breadcrumb each other for some reason. While masons/monks could be scum, it's far more likely that the pairs will implicitly trust each other. This bleeds through into the thread. I know I'm good at PR hunting. I'm trying to defend the town against what scum-me would do (which is draw out the conversation, test a bunch of wagons, and nail the masonries).

So yeah let's not do too many wagons. Until masons/monks die, I would also argue too much VCA is anti-town.

[Mathdino]

IN FACT, I'd even suggest flashwagoning Beefster

even if you are masons/monks with him

. If he claims mason or monk I'll leave him alive for sure.

So if you're "partners" with Beefster, you should help vote him up and get him closer to the claim, knowing he's gonna claim and get cleared anyway. This muddles the associations.

Or, now that I've said this, don't do that, because that'll muddle the associations even more!

WIFOM city!

[talon152]

I guess I'll join the wagon, I have no better info and my vote was rvs
VOTE: beefster
town reading mathdino for now but i fear he is going to get shot playing this strongly.

[Kotoko Utsugi]

hi friends

[mozamis]

math is prob town. not sure iagree with the beef wagon, or his analysis of archwing,but hee looks town.
someone unvote beef for gods sake.

[Mathdino]

never

also

FoS: Kotoko

@talon: yeah but if i got shot i wouldn't have to scumhunt in multiball so it evens out
plus both scumteams might shoot me if i'm awesome enough

[Kotoko Utsugi]

Spoiler:

this all looks very nervous and self conscious.
serious vote.
VOTE: jaydragon

:goodposting:

I've been told I'm naturally scummy, Almost. This is probably par for the course in all my games in the future.

Elsa Jay is to loud to ignore day one. Or any day for that matter.

this is not an adequate defense

I understand the sentiment because I struggled with that too once but then I unlocked the towniness within me, but at the same time this is a NAI excuse

true!!! I prob should not wagon jay again....

VOTE: talon152

OMGUS

Jaydragonking

Is mafia your only tab open right now?

What in the everliving fuck are you doing

A bus is only really a bus when it results in a lynch nor near-lynch.
Scum vote their partners all the time in a low-risk environment. Surely you must know that.

I feel like I like what dave is posting in a "thank god theres someone sensible" but it doesnt go much deeper than that when I feel like I should be townreading him for it. Thats kinda sketch.

VOTE: assemblerotws

Is this how he normally is? Jumping between random shit rambling on about stuff? (serious question, someone please answer)

Weak gut scum vibe on this sequence. Buddying, and trying to make a town block. And the lurker vote thing.

Why does town not do that sequence?

Well, I'm town reading you for 85-87, if that makes you feel better.

2nded

Its actually something I expect where scumbuddies/masonbuddies are usually stronger at reading each other after the game because they kinda see how their mind works

snip.

beetlejuice

Any reads on davesaz hinting at the mason/monk team? I'm trying to figure out if it's something scum would even do in a multiball.

Wouldn't hint at it in thread unless they were worried about dying imo- theyd wait until night

In fact, I would go so far as to say that reads lists are anti-town.

lol

Okay, Math, you generally have good sense, but you're going to need to explain that "readslists are anti-town" to me.

uhhh

This guy looks like hes trying to keep busy and look like hes being productive

VOTE: assemble

Dino prob town

Dav seeing things that make me happy in my head but not my heart which are normally connected so leanscum?

assemble sitting on his hands and not getting engaged looks like scum who doesnt realize they actually have to scumhunt this game and are playing on autopilot

beef wagon looks ass even though I dont like beefs posting

i like almost

momo is making the headache i already have worse

frosty's super awkwardness is pinging me but I have a soft spot for people who are naturally scummy

Im pretty sure ive played with scum dunn before but I forget where but Im kinda feeling bleh about him just lurkaderping (lolhypocrisy) but I have to either track it down or figure something else out

I like reptar

arch's beetlejuice was kinda weird but math had good points re him so meh
pedit-

[Mathdino]

who the hell is reptar

also assemble is a known lurker and does this shit constantly

also what's wrong with the beef wagon D:

[JaydragonKing]

... Did you just nickname me Frosty, Kotoko?

[Kotoko Utsugi]

you

I liked hte reptar name and it made me laugh but then I swapped back to your real name so ill prob flipflop all game

I just hate how it formed. Its like im making a fruit salad and I dumped a fuckton of soy sauce in there and it fucked it all up like how did the soy sauce even get in my hand where did it come from

But like moms been jumping all over the place and I cant keep track of his train of thought at all

Jays awkwardness is kinda understandable as I already said and I like you and almost but idk I think I saw it was at like 4/5 votes already out of nowehere based off one quote wall that everyone just seems okay with deciding the fate of the day which is SUPER weird (like tbh I disagree re quicklynching but this is my personal stance and not bleeding in) but you realize how little theyve had to add re this?

Like I know everyone wants to pretend they are godsent with reads but blindsheeping like this reminds me of when id push lynches in 24 hours as scum (which should mean im scumreading you but im not because this is selfmeta that i wanted to do bc im bored and i understand why you are doing it) but it should bother you how fast this is and that everyone is just blind trusting you when people hadnt even shown up to be analyzed (which is my own fault I admit)

Pedit-

yeah

i thought it sounded cool

[Mathdino]

i'd like to think i have a pretty baller reputation among every player that sheeped me

might be the context you're missing

[JaydragonKing]

And you made an ice pun. Our relationship level just increased exponentially through that alone.

And Momo = Mom now, appearantly. And Dino = Reptar.

welcome to the game, my friend! I'mma call you Koko.

[Beefster]

VOTE: dave
For suggesting a vote based on activity

shit vote, that's not a scumtell

I'll pick

Maybe

by pressing both buttons at the same time.

playing along, haha look at me i'm making jay like me by roleplaying too

UNVOTE: davesaz
Gut town read on dave.

VOTE: Kotoko Utsugi
Because I feel like it.

whelp the dave thing isn't viable because he's acting like town, lemme just RVS someone who's not even here yet

Why are you calling me out for my RVS votes?