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i was kind of hoping the mod would lock the thread and there'd be a chance that my iso would just be that one post For The Memes but that's not looking like the case - i'd already pm'd him that elmo hammered herself too
i dont really have the chance to read at this second and was planning on reading the next game phase if i'm not killed (literally have no idea what the gamestate is besides elmo scumhammering herself and me and almost being town) but if we still have an unlocked thread in a few hours you might see real content from me i guess
hi everyone who knows me! nice to see you all again <3
almost im a cat on this account though so
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for my referenceIn post 2, momo wrote:Player List
- town copnorthsidegal
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davesaz
- some flavor of mafia probably, literally no town reason to selfhammer without further comment here etcElmo TeH AzN
Chip Butty - replaced by OhGodMyLife
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- replaced by katyushaSchism
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can someone sparknotes why this is a mechanically sound play btw because i dont really see the utility in claimingIn post 696, OhGodMyLife wrote:I am not a one shot anything (and I agree we should all do the one shot or not claim)-
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ok half adding this but
cheeky ogml and dave are townreads
SA is prob town but only saying that bc of wagonnomics — haven’t read yet
Jodaxq I haven’t read yet (thx autocorrect for nailing that down when I typed “joda” btw)
Cy is scummy
will probably not half ass this tomorrow but this is where I’m at from reading the last two pages and skimming cy’s Iso in case thread is locked now
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Right but they don’t go completely silent afterwards and usually say something when that’s the caseIn post 727, CheekyTeeky wrote:Town do self-hammer out of frustration too
And I initially thought that mono had the count wrong considering he didn’t instantly end the day with the hammer and there was a page top. When u gotta shitpost u gotta shitpost
I also don’t really see what the issue of 705 being fluff is - I was expecting an instant day end and when that wasn’t the case I tried to get thoughts out there ASAP in case my slot was killed by a vig or sk
I kind of wish I could put more effort into my game rn but it feels really open and shut to me - you’re obvtown, Elmo won’t self-hammer if ogml is scum, SA being on both the cy and Elmo wagons doesn’t make sense when my slot still exists. Joda’s the only person who doesn’t really have a strong reason to be townread to me
I don’t really mind my slot being lynched if it opens up the Poe pool but I also kind of thought schism was obvtown-
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Why Sleepless over me?In post 720, Jodaxq wrote:Okay. It's not me. If I get hammered I think you should go for Sleepless next-
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I mean I guess that makes sense - I at that point thought for some reason we had another ML but I forgot about the serial killerIn post 731, OhGodMyLife wrote:I found this to be sound play because we were potentially a day away from LyLo, and I though it better for any spent 1-shots to claim the day before LyLo rather than risk getting counterclaimed by scum in LyLo. I think there maybe was more to the theory for AC, but that was why I was on board for the partial claim.
I thought about it more though and I still don’t think it’s a good idea- the last letter could be a D which is a full PR and I wouldn’t want to give scum that info - plus it could be a B who wouldn’t act until this night phase anyway and claiming lets scum play around the claim-
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if scum are put in a position where they have to bus they're going to want to get the obvscum partner and the one that isnt a rbIn post 577, Jodaxq wrote:Adding to the above post, I want to explore Cy first. Elmo is an okay lynch for me but it feels too similar to the assemble lynch.
VOTE: CytheFlyGuy
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Yes?In post 739, Sleepless Assassin wrote:But not by scum?
There's literally a living IC and my slot is in the lynchpool why would I ever expect to be mafia killed by lolhammering-
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waitIn post 520, Schism wrote:Thats assuming cheeky was going to even post because muh holidays.
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oh momo just has really weird prodding rules ok
still kind of peeved though that no one noticed schism siteflaked in early january tho
regardless i really hate 739 so im probably going to actually like... read the game and not isos and act like i have an idea of who's scum (even though cheeky and ogml are extremely obvious town so with 4 town game's poed etc)-
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honestly really relatableIn post 212, Schism wrote:Since the Hydra wants nothing to do with me since Im such obvious scum, will someone please ask them their thoughts on Assemble and Assassin please? I hate being ignored.
im getting flashbacks to some extremely awful games-
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you cant extrapolate what scum are intending to do with only a single night kill. nsg could have crumbed (which i think is possible with the hurt tag on my slot), so it's still completely reasonable for me to think that the ic is dying before me
also just because i think this slot is obvious town doesn't mean everyone else does?? it's also really disingenuous to say that everyone's in the lynchpool, the only viable lynches it seems are joda and I from the last two pages. i'm basically at l-1 anyway with you and cheeky voting me and ogml stating intent to
and omgus isnt a bad thing and people have to stop acting like it is. the way you're interacting with my slot is obvscum-
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i mean that was my initial train of thought but if the plan was to bus in the first place (iirc sleepless was on both cy and elmo) then it really shouldn't matter because he wants to bus anyway
i think ogml is the only person actually cleared from that
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ogml doesnt make sense as scum because he gave intent to hammer - elmo would just let him hammer or claim to give him towncred
and with cy, it doesn't matter what read you're pushing in-thread. scum voting for scum is still going to result in a scumflip, so it's still bussing if you're scum and you vote for cy.
the only question i have is what is there to be gained from a scum!sleepless from forcing a scumflip as scum besides "towncred xd" and i need joda to talk to me to answer that
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We lynch me, go to 4v1 night
You get shot, 3v1 day is mylo
Scum, say SA, claims “i’m the roleblocker and i roleblocked ogml so he’s town”
Doctor or rb ccs and outs SA as scum here (SA is confscum if ogml is the cc)
If SA went for a guilty and no killed, he risks an actual rber from thinking they have a guilty AND give town a mislynch since it’s 4v1 day
So scum will never fakeclaim roleblocker in this specific game-
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it could but it's an equally bad play unless AC is alive or the other two townies are literally unlynchableIn post 789, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Why couldn't the counter claim come from scum?
hey joda how about instead of trying to articulate it like that why dont you explain why sleepless is scumJodaxq wrote:
What about if I flip town? It seems like your conclusion is that Mafia shot Fitz so therefore I am mafia. If I'm not mafia, does that change your opinion? If it doesn't, then why is this argument even relevant?In post 788, Almost Chara wrote:@Joda: Back then I didn't know dave was the Vig, and I hadn't ISO'd him to see whom he shot. I'm now updating upon new info.
I don't care whether fitz SR'd Tone or just disliked him. fitz simply doesn't shoot his explicit "dislikes" as SK. He may do it as Vig, but not as SK. As SK he would shoot from his unsure/suspect pool.
I'll only admit I'm wrong here if you can confirm to me Mafia didn't shoot fitz.
Also, if I'm mafia, why would I shoot the person who I explicitly scum read the hardest and who had the second biggest wagon on D1? That seems stranger to me than Fitz shooting someone he disliked or thought was anti-town.
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fwiw it's worth i dont actually think the intention of the hurt tag was a crumb considering these two posts in sequenceIn post 229, northsidegal wrote:so why are people actually scumreading schism? i'm not sure i understand the reasons.
i'd also like to restate at this point that fitz is scum. his confidence in his jodax vote reads as completely fake, and the awkwardness in response of 141 along with the strange "opinion" argument makes me pretty confident in this.
VOTE: havingfitz
also scum have a roleblocker, if the point was to silence nsg's investigation so it's not damning my slot they'd want to roleblock it. if nsg was killed for being a pr it probably wasnt because she was getting a guilty, she probably had scum in her scumreads
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UNVOTE: Sleepless Assassin
I think I'm still on him
sleepless what towncred am i gaining from shitposting btw
i'm looking over omgl's case on for joda right now and some of the points are thoughts i had when i thought it was SA over joda so it's kind of annoying to reevaluate for a third time
pedit: i mean i would claim vt as scum here personally yes-
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In post 413, Jodaxq wrote:Cy made some townie posts early and has only made really empty posts since. The holidays and stuff have certainly screwed with this game, but I'll be interested to see if he posts with actual content today.In post 414, Jodaxq wrote:Don't think Elmo's post really means anything. I had the same thought when I got the PM.In post 415, Jodaxq wrote:I didn't notice before that Dave voted for ToneReader early just as a way to show disapproval of the gimmick and then never moved his vote. That's certainly interesting. Why did you choose to avoid both wagons, Dave? Why did you not move your vote off of Tone?
this trajectory kind of feels like it makes sense coming from a partner actually - it stood out at least while i was giving joda's iso a last lookIn post 416, Jodaxq wrote:If we're looking at the Assemble wagon then I think Sleepless and Chip are the ones to look at first. In my experience hammers like that usually come from town.
413/414 are both giving flipped scum botd - especially considering with elmo there was more to cheeky's vote at the time than just the tmi slip. obviously town can do this too, but considering that her next posts are shifting attention away from scum it seems intended more to put pressure on town
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Since I thought twilight was imminent I posted this and left since I expected to get vigged and then i’d be able to brag about having a 1 post iso that’s a lolhammerIn post 700, Katyusha wrote:[/size][/align]☭☭☭☭☭HAMMЄЯTЇMЄ☭☭☭☭☭
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the post shouldnt be seen as AI because i obviously would not get towncred for putting someone 1 vote beyond hammeringIn post 819, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Let me see if I'm following you here. I said it didn't seem like that post came from a town mindset and your defense is you were shit posting to troll the game or...? I'm confused.
i've lost games due to townies self voting/hammering at this stage and have watched other games were it basically cost the game but i really dont see any other possibility where ogml or cheeky are scumJodaxq wrote:
What are you even saying here?In post 814, Katyusha wrote:at this rate i'd be confident self hammering just to flip as often as i've seen that throw games
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What reason have i gave again?In post 823, Jodaxq wrote:Why is everyone so sure Cheeky is town? I don't like Katyusha's reason
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good pressure on elmo, elmo's reaction doesnt really make sense for a planned scumread if they talked it over in the pt beforehand because it just makes her look worseIn post 406, CheekyTeeky wrote:
You failed.In post 403, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:So any reasons behind this vote aside to just sheep?
Going to FOS someone then vote someone else just because of something I said?
Bravo. *golf clap*
1. It wasn't a sheep. You can see in the order of my posts that first I voted you for your very scummy post, then noticed someone vote you with pretty agenda driven reasoning. So in my mind I was voting you for the post I quoted as the original wagon starter. Your blatant misrep here is laughable *golf laugh*
2. It was a reaction test based on my suspicion that the quote I voted you for spewed TMI. How do you know who the vig shot?
I'm happy where my vote is based on your (snarky) reaction.
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...check out his ISO. Tell me if you can figure out his reads. This guy has been cruising the whole game, waffling and making points about nothing important/AI. When he did decide to look into people's ISOs he chose the two shortest to analyze. If this isn't scum positioning/fencesitting I don't know what is...In post 415, Jodaxq wrote:I didn't notice before that Dave voted for ToneReader early just as a way to show disapproval of the gimmick and then never moved his vote. That's certainly interesting. Why did you choose to avoid both wagons, Dave? Why did you not move your vote off of Tone?
@Dave: readslist please bruh.In post 424, CheekyTeeky wrote:
If anyone tells me this is a townie reaction I'm going to use the force to shrivel their brain further.In post 421, davesaz wrote:
I got nothing.In post 417, CheekyTeeky wrote: @Dave: readslist please bruh.
Pedit I agree.In post 426, CheekyTeeky wrote:
*uses the force on dave*In post 425, davesaz wrote:If you think a little, that canonlybe a townie reaction.
Hint: what alignment makes shit up? What alignment is best served with the truth?
What alignment doesn't give a shit about trying to sort players?
really like the trajectory on dave, the push felt off-the-cuff and strong in a good way - plus she came around on him at a time where it doesn't really help a scum agendaIn post 540, CheekyTeeky wrote:
I like this post. I get what you mean now. I don't agree that there is a single "best way" to play town though. I play off reactions, and I'm honest about what I'm doing. It may not look super-town to those unfamiliar with me but it's pretty obvious that those kinds of play are not coming from scum in hindsight.In post 539, davesaz wrote:
One person's waffle is another person's accuracy. I value giving town things to work with if I'm dead. It's another aspect of what I told A50 -- the best way to play town is not to throw a bunch of excrement and read people off how they react to it. The best way is to say only things that you actually mean. Although sometimes the right place for a vote is not the strongest read, for any number of possible reasons.In post 537, CheekyTeeky wrote:UNVOTE: Jodaxq
Just in case...O_o
Pedit I don't understand your waffle about why you're voting your weak scum read instead of your medium scum read...
You might think this gets me scumread a lot, and it does. People do not expect honesty from town, and they go bananas when they see it.
Spoiler: look inside if you want the "math"
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j o o o o o o o o o o o o da you say that like i dont know that-
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joda, who's more likely to you then? ogml or cheeky?
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And yet you say she's the most obvious town read you've ever had? My god this is awfulIn post 833, Katyusha wrote:i dont feel familiar enough with the gamestate to like towncase her
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because i was a replacement and i just kind of feel disconnected with the game's events besides what ive directly seen and a few bits and pieces that were strong to meIn post 842, Almost Chara wrote:
why is the gamestate the reason for not doing this?In post 838, Katyusha wrote:by "towncase" i mean explain her entire iso or write like a paragraph
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no it's not?Jodaxq wrote:
Also this is pretty AtEIn post 839, Katyusha wrote:joda if you're scum i just want you to know that i kind of figured you're voting me over cheeky/ogml because i said i'd self so-
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is cheeky scummier than ogml or ogml townier
serious question because from your pov i dont know if it's just "elmo wouldnt self vote with ogml as her partner" or if cheeky actually did something scummy or
pedit: i'm saying that i found your play really predictable, i'm not getting you to change your mind or even interacting with anyone's emotions? the sad face is kind of snarky
pedit: yes-
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these clearly do not contradict and also clearly go hand in hand?In post 847, Jodaxq wrote:So you picked upbits and pieces that were strongto you but yet she is "literally one of the most obvious town [you've] played with thus far"?-
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tbh in a lylo situation where ogml and cheeky crossed i'd probably pick cheeky anyway?
i recognize this is contradictory but i dont really see why elmo would self hammer - i barely am reading ogml off of his posts and most of my read is centered around that one action but it is what it is. cheeky being townie can be good scumplay
pedit: the small bits and pieces.... that are strong.... are what.... made her very obvious town to me.....
joda..................... you're better than this...............................
i know i'm far from my best this game and am kind of coasting but like i dont really know what else to do given my position as a widely scumread slot-
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