Newbie 1845 - A New Dawn Game Over

[RadiantCowbells]

Like I have talked to you so much.

You cannot fault my effort to reach you.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'll ask the game mod as well how they feel about my lynch in postgame.
I could justifiably say a lot harsher things about this game than I have.

[Sando]

Cool, I'm done for the day, RC is clearly just going to lash out at anyone that posts, especially me.

thenavneet, you have 3 reads, only one (RC) is a reasonable lynch target today (in his own words), with a deadline here I think we get this done.

Sunlit, you've fencesat for a very, very long time now, can we get some action today maybe?

Avi and Creatures inaction should most definitely be noted for future days.

We have 24 hours til deadline.

[Sando]

You're 100% ignoring content and going straight for the emotional response now RC, I'm done engaging with you. Even with thenav you completely ignored his actual post and went straight at what he hadn't posted.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not lashing out at anyone. I'm explaining what your issue is and trying to make sure that we win later in the game despite my Lynch.

You're taking it personally and seeing me lashing out because you see me being correctly critical of your play as me being critical of you as a person. My wincon involves making you play differently so I will try to make you play differently. I am sorry that that upsets you but I don't think I have done anything remotely untoward and in fact think given how much vitriol you've thrown at me I have dealt with you extremely cordially.

[thenavneet]

In the little time that you've been in this game RC, you have

- tried to pocket/get pocketed by another player as soon as you entered
- called out players as scum for the mere reason that they haven't interacted with you
- proclaimed yourself as the modern day messiah of a Mafia player
- gone out of your way to say you're right, that Town should blindly follow your reads and that we'll be fine
- suggested yourself that you should be lynched and when you flip Town that we should lynch from your scumpool of 3 people for Town victory
- got offended because someone disagreed with your playstyle and called you out on it
- you're now back tracking from your own suggested plan in a desperate attempt to direct the lynch on one of your scum reads using a LOT of WIFOM heavy arguments to varying degrees of "I wouldn't do X if I was Y"
- and you seem to get offended about everything and everytime someone disagrees with you.

I don't know about the other Town folk but I for one don't think you're presence is helpful here. Your FLIP however certainly will be and will shed light on things to help move us forward. Your problem at this point I think is that you just want the glory of saying you carried town to a win.

This will be my last post for a few hours as my flight is about to take off.

[RadiantCowbells]

You're 100% ignoring content and going straight for the emotional response now RC, I'm done engaging with you. Even with thenav you completely ignored his actual post and went straight at what he hadn't posted.

I cannot argue with his content in the sense that based on the assumptions underlying his play his move is correct. Instead I am criticizing the ideology that leads him to support a mislynch.

[RadiantCowbells]

If you don't think my presence is helpful then vote me.

[RadiantCowbells]

And dude I see my obligation to be a good SE as higher priority than doing the optimal play. Someone got upset by my play so I changed it. I don't know what you think you want.

[Sando]

I don't know about the other Town folk but I for one don't think you're presence is helpful here.

Pretty sure you can guess my feelings on this...

[RadiantCowbells]

Do you feel like I'm talking down to you,?

[Aviqf]

I’m not lynching RC, only creature/luv/red

[Lil Uzi Vert]

*sigh*

This is why I felt we had gotten enough out of the day and was ready to end it before the 30-page mark.

Mulling things over is not bad thing necessarily but it can hurt the town if no one consolidates on a decision.

[RadiantCowbells]

*sigh*

Yes the extra time made town play better. Please stop encouraging newbies to hammer people who have 11 posts.

There is no way in hell that you sincerely feel that a player who made 11 posts over a reasonable timeframe merits being lynched.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

*sigh*

Yes the extra time made town play better. Please stop encouraging newbies to hammer people who have 11 posts.

There is no way in hell that you sincerely feel that a player who made 11 posts over a reasonable timeframe merits being lynched.

Yes, I do.

I don’t think the extra time has helped us at all.

[RadiantCowbells]

It hasn't helped

your scum wincon

at all, no. But if you think this isn't a game that a lot of people are going to learn a shit load from then you're out of your mind.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I’m out of my mind then.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I look four time

Avi are you still here? Can you explain this?

[RadiantCowbells]

Rofl.

If I was scum how do you think it's even remotely imaginable that the experience of successfully lynching Scum!RC on the merits of RC's play rather than a random predecessor isn't going to be something people learn from?

[RadiantCowbells]

I think there's a lot of broadly applicable things to be learned here about how wagon development works, how legitimate reads work vs scum pushes, even just through comparison

like the fact that I am so controversial as a read strongly suggests I'm town. The people defending me are way defending me, the people against me are way against me. Scum are usually on the middle for their buddies; no one really fits as my scumpartner. And this is generally applicable to a lot of games because rarely do scum actually bus or hard defend their buddies in the newbie queue.

Also how profoundly wrong it is to lynch the proactive players early in the game, the whole interaction between me/Sandro being TvT, Sandro specifically everything he'll learn from my town flip, the process Aviqf and Inferno went through in terms of learning to recognize I was town, even just how I've approached the game in terms of trying to sway people to my side and maintaining pressure on you/Creature/Redflavour. Despite you as an IC doing your best to discourage any real discussion for people to recognize each other, which while absolutely supportive of your wincon is still super gross!

[Sunlit Diamond]

I'm really, really tired of this argument.

[RadiantCowbells]

Okay. Then vote LUV and let Creature decide the day. Lynch Creature if he votes wrong, he has more than enough information to not mislynch me here.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah at this point it isn’t helping anyone.

Lynch one of us and if there is a vigilante, shoot the other.

[Sunlit Diamond]

Unless it's not a mislynch. I'm fence sitting because I want to vote you out based solely on the self vote WIFOM maneuver, but if I'm wrong it'll be a disaster for the game. I haven't actually said that so far because frankly if you went after me like you went after Sando, I would replace out.

[Sunlit Diamond]

/irritated Sunny is irritated