UCV: Tell creature to reread. He has had me as scum in our last 3 games together at least I think? And quickly flipped me to town in all of them (correctly). Referring to Beneath the Mask, the large I subbed into, and that mini idr if was recent or not. But, I'm more concerned with Mulch. You go first because I have the most important thing to say: Mulch, fuck you. You know EXACTLY what I think you're scumreading me for, and while I don't know for sure if its true you have no history reading me correctly whatsoever. If it is true, I never want to play with you again. If it isn't, please vocalize your issues with me even though I know I don't reciprocate that.
Bulbazak: If you're town, /please/ have Mastina and Thor give their updated thoughts on me before you lynch me. I will legitimately be in awe if both of them are able to incorrectly scumread me, they have both seen firsthand examples of me combined with toxicity, should understand why I've played like this, and Thor especially I trust to not misread me here. That isn't based on "meta" btw meta-haters: its based on me having confidence in Thor's analytical skills and seeing why this whole push on me is garbage. Bulba, I know you aren't bad, despite how insulting I may end up getting later on. You really need to get your head out of your ass and reevaluate though. Transcend townreads you, so I'll sheep it for now and unvoted above. I am sorry, guess I'm pocketing you and thor... lol. Apparently that's the level of play you think I'm at - blindly complimenting to pocket. Maybe if I say it here its not pocketing anymore? Or maybe its even scummier o.o
LLD: Actually, nothing to call you out on. I have confidence you personally will unvote me at some point soon.
T-Bone: The biggest issue here. I really, really take issue with your iso. You haven't "called me shit" as you said but you've all but said that. The thing is, you're the only of these 4 myself and my only teammates who read the thread collectively scumread. You ahven't done anything but be a prick. 469 is gross, not in a scummy way but in an as a person way. Again, I'll end up insulting you at some point, you strike me as the kind of person to not be easily offended so I won't coddle you. I want you to know I'm legitimately angry at your play. Thank you. I am not going to tell you to ask your teammates to analyze me, nor ask you to reevaluate, because I think we collectively just think you're a scum at best or a person I'm never going to get along with or enjoy playing with at worst. And hey, like bulba, nothing against your mafia skills, I've heard you're a decent player. I just think you're geriatric and aren't giving a genuine effort into this game. Your iso barely addresses most of it. This isn't gonna turn into a T-Bone case, you haven't posted denough nor are we far enough in the game to warrant that.
In post 179, Bulbazak wrote:Caught up, and Keychain is still kinda nebulous. I'm going to keep an eye there, but not interested in pushing that yet. I thought Elena might be panicking scum trying to squash Math's team analysis (which is actually relevant to Team Mafia). That seems like something I feel scum would do if events were turning against them. But then she did that reversal on LLD after much discussion, and I really can't see Elena-scum doing that, especially when keeping a vote on LLD would be so easy to do at this point in the game, and I really don't think LLD could apply enough pressure to turn the tides on Elena. At best, she'd get a LLD lynch, and at worse, she'd just look like hard headed town. There's really nothing to lose, so her changing her read is a town sign.
As for Skirt, he called me town before I even started posting, and then preceded to buddy up to me in subsequent posts. LLD has already pointed out how his entrance sounds fake, and Math has picked up on the discrepancy as well. He's tryharding, but in all the worst ways.
Vote Skirt skirt
I literally never said that. Calling you a good player implies you're more likely to take scum if anything though even that's a stretch. in fact, a page 1 quote from me;
UCV... I guess.
No clue for bulba.
LLD, A50, Smoke, definitely realistic for scum. I haven't actually seen A50s scum game I don't think, but iirc Chara said A50 is their scummer?
Did not happen. Did also not buddy up to you in subsequent posts or whatever bullshit you're on.
I hadn't posted as of this point in the game, and I don't have any recollection of ever having played with you. This felt like you trying to preemptively get on my good side. Looking back on it, probably not a townread per se, but I don't think it was meant to come across as a scum read.
I didn't disagree with Math saying you were inclined to pick scum, just said I didn't know, because we haven't played.... This isn't that big of a community and I spectate a lot of games I don't play at least loosely to practice reads, sorry for recognizing your name?
Math pushes you on the last post and says that I'm good as scum. There is a slight backpedal here, I think, but you definitely didn't want to let go of that potential townread and buddying opportunity on my slot.
Or. And I know this may be hard to believe. I have no clue on bulba because
I don't have any recollection of ever having played with you
Fucking moron. I apologize complimenting you, will not happen again wouldn't want to keep buddying and outing how obvscum I am.
And this is essentially what Skirt did when LLD started pushing him. He attacked her immediately as scum, and when she kept up the push and others were coming around, he changed his tune. I almost wonder if the same thing is going to happen to me, or whether he'll feel the need this time to put all his eggs in this one lynch, especially since Math is backing his play this time.
I "changed my tune", in like, 2 posts. You are reaching hard as fuck. Or sure, maybe I was intimidated by the onslaught of others... what others again? Oh yea... literally
ZERO players aside LLD and Mathdino posted between me voting LLD and me declaring them town
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I actually have a problem with this if you are saying that you somehow are scumreading both of us.
BTW, scumreading two people that are somewhat unlikely to be partners is not an issue d1, rofl. You are not new, c'mon.
Is there a reason KMD thinks LLD would be intimidated by Skirt? I could see you, but Skirt suggests a level of town play I'm just not seeing.
If you aren't going to read my other games that's fine, don't insult me peasant. Your level of town play exclusively from this game would suggest you belong in the newbie queue.
Generally, your opinion of the players has a lot to do with how you prioritize them as scum. For instance, if I was scum, I couldn't care less about Skirt in that situation, given that I have zero experience with him and don't have a high regard of his play just given what I've seen. So the accusation of "He was trying to drive a wedge between these 2 pro-town forces." would be wildly inaccurate given my evaluation of Skirt as a player. Now, take that example and put LLD in the same place. If she doesn't hold Skirt in any sort of regard, why would she even care about putting a wedge between you two?
But onto the more relevant stuff, you don't need to hold me in a regard to want to drive a wedge into something. I don't believe that was remotely what LLD was doing, but this is a stupid as fuck train of thought regardless because recognizing A) that math is a player to hold in a high regard and b) skirt is an unknown but likely at least not completely new due to it being team mafia, you don't need to hold me in a high regard to do that wifom nonexistent bullshit you're harping about anyways.
Can anyone spot the mindset problem?
i'm sorry, i thought i was a spamposter? now its a mindset problem to want to reserve posting until i actually had something to say at once rather than creature style? make up your minds when you're using retarded reasons to scumread me.
In post 42, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: In post 40, Mathdino wrote:I'm trying to understand what you're saying but I'm seriously not getting it, so I'll just tell you what I've been thinking and you explain in full instead of leading me.
The amount of convergence that skirt and I are having is unreal, and the fact that he locked an immediate townread on me for doing Mathdino-y things was highly concerning.
Then the fact that he sheeps me and is generally super friendly with me and my logic to the point of my pointing out one detail influencing his opinion?
I think skirt skirt is scum. Wasn't gonna say anything yet. I like my vote where it is given that I have more confidence in my ability to read A50 than skirt skirt.
If you think I left something out, lemme know, but otherwise it's your turn.
Edit: GOTTEMMMMMMMM
I don't think the convergence that you and Skirt ended up with is that uncommon because of team group think. There are players in this game who are far higher probability to choose scum than others. (fuck, more meta bullshit talk).
No, my problem with skirt's post is tone. When you post your list, you're speaking in what feels like an affirmative tone. These percentages don't guarantee anyting, and yet you speak with authority and
CONVICTION
behind your statements.
Skirt mimics your answers, sure, and that's not nearly as big of an issue as his lack of CONVICTION in doing so. I would expect a town player to either hard agree or hard disagree when you take a stance like you did, but he kind of.... sat the fence, tonally and content wise.
Does that make sense?
you haven't posted much, but I address you in the next spoiler I think.
In post 297, UC Voyager wrote: In post 276, UC Voyager wrote:mulch is 100% sure skirt skirt is scum. like. he is screaming at me
VOTE: skirt
ok the rest of my team also thinks he i scum for the most part.
like
mulch 100%
creature 99%
sheep 80%
me and quick dont know
Nothing to say to you except what I've said to Mulch below. You aren't voting me, Mulch is and it isn't because I'm "scummy".
Vote: Shirt Skirt
Let's just get that out of the way.
Great start.
b. You want to see things from my perspective. Here is my perspective. When I took a look at the game for the first time, I groaned that we had made it to 10 pages. The first thing I did was check the activity, to see why we've gotten to that point. Maybe one player posted 100 times. You and Skirt each had 47 posts. Why did I do this? Because I know this format, Team Mafia, is especially ripe for spamposter type scum players. It is part of the reason (part, not entire, see LLD for a good estimate of what Skirt is) I put my vote there.
As either alignment, I'm at the top nearly always. The exception is when I'm nightkilled early, Mulch/Mathblade/Transcend have sometimes outposted me, and... that's about it. You said yourself I'm not posting over the top, so...
Basically, what you're doing (and what Skirt is doing on a 10x worse level) is creating interactions that are easily faked. I understand why you might do these as town, as you might legitimately grasp for these things...but...knowing this, you can easily fake this as scum. And I know meta-players like to use the 'but I wouldn't do this as scum defense'...and I'm not interested in would/wouldn't of someone's playstyle. You did initially sort me because I would probably take a town role, for example.
This is a whole lotta crap. When did I ever say "I wouldn't do this as scum"? Or you aren't referring to me, so what am I doing on a 10x worse level? What exactly is "easily faked" vs not so? That's rhetorical, because its buzzwording bullshit.
I haven't decided yet whether I feel his tone is hollow or not. I'm leaning towards genuine, because Skirt is trying to do a lot of the same things, and he is way more hollow in his convictions. So, I don't know if that is comparison bias or what.
But like, you're feeling off about Dino. Does it bother you that Skirt is mimicking his approach in a lot of ways? Let's back up...do you see that at all?
Giga pointed this out, and I'll get to that later but I agree, that you are talking about me, talking to math, and that's your iso. More hollow and conviction talk, I address that later.
This makes no sense. Full stop. Skirt, I don't mean to offend....but who sits up at night worried about Skirt? He doesn't have a reputation for being a quality player, and his playstyle is going to make people not want to listen to him initially. Of all the strong personalities in this game...
Of course you mean to offend, that's you being an asshat. I don't have a reputation for being a quality player... is that from a mod perspective or a player one? You should know what I'm getting at. I also adamantly disagree with my playstyle making people not want to listen to me, my lynch is chosen a lotttt more than random would suggest, and I'm generally good at shoving them through. And as I said to bulba, this doesn't even matter. It is irrelevant to the initial awful point about LLD driving a wedge etc.
I can't describe what I want to say at the moment, other than not good things. KMD's thoughts tank your slots' credibility...because A) this is a lazy read through by him or B) a lazy readthrough by him to try and give the appearance you and your team are scumhunting in earnest.
Listening to your teammates when they have experience with a player tanks their credibility? Stfu. Or, reply that I'm pocketing KMD now. Your choice.
The problem with what KMD posted is that is contrary to what he should know as a player. I can't imagine people having an impression of Skirt being a strong player, and having the impression that LLD would regard Skirt as a strong player. Like, your contributions I haven't questioned in terms of content (just in tone). But, it is like KMD thoughts are MadLibs. Like, those thoughts came preloaded without regards as to the characters who would later occupy those thoughts.
lol%%
If he does think highly of skirt, okay, no big deal. Like, I'm not here to fight you. If you're town I genuinely want you to play your best. It's just if you're scum, then I want you to get dead.
I'm not sure you can read Skirt in this game and have the impression that he is a reputable player. I'm not saying this to slight him or put him down. I always assume everyone is playing to the best of their abilities. But, he posts like that category of player who doesn't have much an ability to influence a game with his force of will, and thus, would not be treated as such by another player.
You really haven't ever read any of my games have you? Fine, as I've said, whatever. But why in the fuck do you imply you've heard I'm a subpar player, or even that I'm not. You're using words like you're not trying to offend, then you continue to be a cock. I'm sorry I beat you up for your lunch money timmy, and I'm sorry I did it yesterday, and I'm sorry I'll do it tomorrow.
I'm making an assumption about his playstyle, and his ability to influence the game. He entered the game and established himself to be a spam poster. Low content, high volume poster...the type of poster people don't really follow, because spamposters are usually not charismatic enough to lead a town in the early stages of a game, and that's how I felt he was in this game. I then assumed, that's how he is every game. At the very least that's how he was in this game.
lol
And I find it odd, because at that point in the game YOU were the charismatic leader Math. Now, you may or may not feel this way, but in the gamestate we are talking about (like the first 12 hours), you were the charismatic leader and Skirt was the lynchbait. His entrance was not strong, he was spam-posty, and then he mimicked you in some ways. If anything, wouldn't you be the more logical pocket for a scumplay in that situation?
Lynchbait? Math was the charismatic leader? Wanna talk about buddying... I was spam-posty? My entrance wasn't strong? I was triyng to do something rather than place an empty RVS vote and actually progress the game, excuse me. Maybe you're the problem if this is the second slowest game (was slowest at the time iirc) and you are having issues with the activity.
As thrilling as that post might be. Let me save everyone the trouble.
Skirt: boohoo T-Bone calling me a shit player, you're the shit player
T-Bone: Wow, at no point did I call you a shit player, but thanks for playing. Called you a spamposter, and that was my only commentary on you as a player.
I'm not interested in this conversation otherwise.
A) That wasn't your only commentary on me as a player
B) You said "No, I am very pleased with both of your posting levels since I have entered the game." I'm a spamposter? What of my posts are useless? Theres's a couple... as with any player, including you.
C) This is you trying to be a prick, trying to pseudovictimize me with boohoo and staging an argument to act smart. I never called you a shit player, I'm pretty sure I've never said anything negative about your skill as a player. I'll insult your mindset for days, cause it goes beyond you prossibly being scum.
) prob town, lean scum on tbone, cdb's posts are empty and lack conviction (LMAO), voyager probs town, one post from bins pinged but overall solid town bins, and said to be wary of bins because she's sneaky. doggo interject: bulbashit isnt a storng tr, just a lean, new update: bins scummish cause a50 exchng is flaily, the pingy post was aero lynch, when shes scum she doesnt like to get her hands dirty, elena/ tbone/channenl solid srs, a50 solidly town, 
