Open 708: Pick Your Poison - Game Over

[Errantparabola]

Oh, one more thing, I haven't read 50% of this game so caveats etc etc but I think RC is scum

[CultOfAthena]

Anyone else find it interesting that Transcend was shot first over RC? Suggests that scum were actually in the pool of people he considered shooting.

VOTE: Klick

Voting here for now, doing some reviewing.

[Beefster]

I agree that Beef's read list has some reads based on little substance, but then again... it's early. It's certainly a bit iffy. The COA vote is pretty wtf given that there's no explanation at all.

One thing that worried me about Beef is that he was the first to "jump" on Thor after the latter brought up the timing argument which Thor then later said was to get out of RVS.

Some early reads for now.

Max - townlean, for reasons mentioned earlier

COA - townlean, hasn't posted much but 4 of her 5 posts are rich in content, and the other is an RVS vote which caused major discussion.

Moza - townlean, although there are a lot of 1-line posts he's questioning a lot ( = discussion). Not afraid to flip votes, seems to be keeping his mind open, and seems to be scumhunting too (by the PoE he mentioned earlier and this Beef stuff)

Moneybags - town, putting forward a lot of content and questions. Stronger townlean than the three above.

Flub - scumlean, for reasons mentioned earlier.

Beef - scumlean, see the beginning of this post and moz's arguments (although I don't agree with all of them)

Bella - scumlean, as some of her posts are "empty content" to me. 185 bothers me a little bit. I thought I made my opinion on Maxous pretty clear and expressed I wasn't liking the Bella wagon. I feel like 185 could be Bella trying to side a "swing vote" in me, with her. Any thoughts? It's not something I'm pretty set on right now... but it's still there, y'know.

Penguin - bit of a scumlean, as I said the argument COA made earlier holds up.

Leaves at null: ErrantP, texcat, Klick, and Thor, but apparently we need to read Thor as... Thor.

The townreads/leans are the people I really don't want to lynch today. I can live with the null ones except Thor probably. We have a lot of time left though.

Quick 5-tier read post, I feel like my previous explanations + what I've addressed since should be enough for now.

T: Mozamis, Moneybags
TL: Thor665, Beefster, COA, Max
N: Klick, texcat, EP
SL: (Transcend), Bellaphant, Flubbernugget
S: -

Transcend read is obviously mostly based on Penguin hence the brackets.

It's interesting how he SL'd on all the (now) confirmed town. I wish I had noticed this in D1 because it's pretty damning in retrospect.

Conftown Transcend, RC

Town

Townlean Thor, Moneybags, Klick?, Beef

Null Mozamis, tex, COA, Max?

Scumlean Flubber, EP

Scum

If people want me voting then VOTE: Flubbernugget but as said, I'm just barely 100% confident.

I mean

TL on Beefy and he's talking which is good.

SL on Tex who's... not talking.

There could easily be one scum between those and if so I'd say it's tex every time, 90% of the time.

Interesting that he never had any hard scum reads.

Based just on HWS's townleans, it looks like Thor, COA, moz, and Max are reasonable candidates for one scum partner. EP and myself look like a decent candidates for the other based on HWS readlist patterns (EP starts null and gradually becomes a SL).

EP ISO pending.

[Klick]

Anyone else find it interesting that Transcend was shot first over RC? Suggests that scum were actually in the pool of people he considered shooting.

VOTE: Klick

Voting here for now, doing some reviewing.

Transcend makes much more sense as a kill than RC because Transcend's PR is much more powerful than RC's, and we now have an even number of players which is worse than odd.

Anyone in a scum slot would be able to see this. You don't appear to have seen it at all, further cementing my townread on you.

[Beefster]

EP ISO analysis

General:

• EP pretty much just ignored HWS the entire game up to this point.
  
• Opportunistic on #252 vote on Max
  
• Admits to not reading on #1175. Could be an attempt at looking more town.

Assuming EP/

COA

/HWS:

• EP #312 appears to be distancing, followed by backing off in #499.

Plausible.

If EP/

moz

/HWS:

• EP #178 reads moz as town and then never speaks of him again.
  
• I would expect
  some
  degree of interaction with scum partners - or at least one of them.

Somewhat less likely.

If EP/

Max

/HWS:

• #252 vote is opportunistic and could be distancing. It's not well explained and seems like a common move made on a scum partner.

Somewhat more likely if EP is scum.

If EP/

Thor

/HWS:

• Odd how he criticizes Thor going after Max and then jumps on the wagon later.

Probably not the scumteam.

anyway...
VOTE: Errantparabola
I noticed some things in his ISO that I didn't the first time. They are quite damning.

[Beefster]

moz/EP/HWS seems more likely looking at moz's ISO than from EP's. I only skimmed over it for votes though.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm confirmed town so you can kindly screw off

[RadiantCowbells]

Just kidding I love you. But uhh no.

[RadiantCowbells]

It occurs to me that it was fuck off my apologies

[Beefster]

If you were scum, someone would have cc'd you by now.

[Thor665]

see what if I think that there are alignment indicative reactions to be garnered from repeatedly requesting people to vote transcend

I would sadly roll my eyes and ask you to let me know what you learn once you learn something, well aware it will never come up again in the thread, like most ridiculous claims of 'it's scumhunting' I hear.
Feel free to prove me wrong this time.
I'll wait.

Smurf me, I was really banking on dying last night

I wish Transcend had done us that favor, frankly.
Dramatically improve your play or get lynched.

[TesXX]

Official Vote Count 2.1

Errantparabola

(3): Maxous, Thor665, Beefster

Thor665

(1): mozamis

Klick

(1): CultOfAthena

texcat

(1): Klick

Not Voting

(4): Errantparabola, texcat, Flubbernugget, RadiantCowbells

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-02-08 18:26:35)

[TesXX]

VOTE: Transcend

policy lynch

I know this is a joke, but refrain from voting people not in the game as it'll trick the auto vote counter. It thought you were voting Maxous.

[RadiantCowbells]

This wasn't a fucking joke

[Flubbernugget]

VOTE: thor

[Flubbernugget]

On top of

still

trying to stay away from tex with a ten foot pole, Thor comes out of the gates D2 begging for town cred off the hws lynch.

Not buying it

[Flubbernugget]

Klick has had issues formulating scum reads, danced around whether or not I was scum, and had hws in their null pile as of recent.

I like klick for scum.

[Flubbernugget]

I think lynching through Thor, tex, and klick wins us the game

[Flubbernugget]

Oh, I forgot Beefster was sketchy too.

I don't think we can lynch through four?

[Errantparabola]

I know I'm being awful to all of you right now but please be understanding-- I dealt with an unexpected event this weekend, barely had access to a computer at all for 3 days, and that set me back a long way in regards to work/school/etc.

I do fully intend on catching up and am working on it. I don't think I'm playing poorly or like scum. I don't think RC/Thor/whoever is doing it has a justification for calling me obvscum, at least prior to where I stopped reading.

I do admit that I haven't been here. If you want to lynch me now and then blacklist me later, feel free, I deserve both. I'll replace out if I can't catch up fully by tomorrow. Other than that, I'm catching up on my own time and energy as best I can but please understand that my real life is whirlwind status and I have a very limited amount of both right now. Thanks.

[RadiantCowbells]

I totally get it EP. There's 14 days, we're not going to lynch you or anything. Take the time you need to catch up.

[Beefster]

UNVOTE:

#1194 looks super town to me tbh. That is probably one of the most (surprisingly) genuine out-of-game defenses I have ever seen. Maybe my scumdar is just broken. I dunno. It seemed to be malfunctioning big time on HWS.

[Beefster]

@EP: While I can get behind your sentiment that RC is scum based on his playstyle, unless you're going to counterclaim (you could have softclaimed), RC is pretty much as conftown as it gets.

[mozamis]

I mean

TL on Beefy and he's talking which is good.

SL on Tex who's... not talking.

There could easily be one scum between those and if so I'd say it's tex every time, 90% of the time.

makes me think i could be wrong about tex?

[Thor665]

On top of

still

trying to stay away from tex with a ten foot pole, Thor comes out of the gates D2 begging for town cred off the hws lynch.

Not buying it

Yeah, I'm asking for town cred off that lynch - because it's daft not to notice how town my vote was.
Why do you think Moz is scum reading it without addressing my question to him about it?