Team Mafia 2018: Inventions Mafia Day 4

[CheekyTeeky]

i mean yes it's

bad

but by relevant i think him doing it as town is plausible which is what's relevant to me

like i like the way he broke me down in an iso an interacted with me - it felt like a weird thing to fake for the sake of scum pocketing me. him calling the ss/me interaction artificial feeling was kind of an interesting call out. his breakdown on hinduragi was also strong to me

pedit: i think it's just a natural weakness of the playstyle that there will be good pushes and shitty pushes if you mostly read the game through ISOs. do you at least see the merit of what I think are the good aspects of his reads? because i do see why you feel your way but i think the positives outweigh the negatives

Initially I did assume the intent was town until I saw how shallow and low level his analysis was (2073), that's why I started responding to his points to draw him out into a discussion (2168)about what his read, that real time interaction only reinforced my concern that his ISO digs are very much agenda driven. He was unwilling to be open and discuss how his push was bad, instead he pulled more redundant posts shading meas scum and even voted me with a threat that "when he flips town" (2175, 2185) (bear in mind he didn't have a single vote on him) which was disgustingly scummy and was obviously intended to shut our conversation down/make me back off. Even worse was his backtracking on his conviction of me and his unbelievable reasoning for the unprovoked threat. RC did have a part to play in his unvote of me, but honestly it felt like Ane was relieved to move off me. (2306-2317)

Sure he may have some good points, but overall the negatives far outweigh the positives.

Updated with post numbers for Singer.

[Katyusha]

i mean yes it's

bad

but by relevant i think him doing it as town is plausible which is what's relevant to me

like i like the way he broke me down in an iso an interacted with me - it felt like a weird thing to fake for the sake of scum pocketing me. him calling the ss/me interaction artificial feeling was kind of an interesting call out. his breakdown on hinduragi was also strong to me

pedit: i think it's just a natural weakness of the playstyle that there will be good pushes and shitty pushes if you mostly read the game through ISOs. do you at least see the merit of what I think are the good aspects of his reads? because i do see why you feel your way but i think the positives outweigh the negatives

Initially I did assume the intent was town until I saw how shallow and low level his analysis was, that's why I started responding to his points to draw him out into a discussion about what his read, that real time interaction only reinforced my concern that his ISO digs are very much agenda driven. He was unwilling to be open and discuss how his push was bad, instead he pulled more redundant posts shading me as scum and even voted me with a threat that "when he flips town" (bear in mind he didn't have a single vote on him) which was disgustingly scummy and was obviously intended to shut our conversation down/make me back off. Even worse was his backtracking on his conviction of me and his unbelievable reasoning for the unprovoked threat. RC did have a part to play in his unvote of me, but honestly it felt like Ane was relieved to move off me.

Sure he may have some good points, but overall the negatives far outweigh the positives.

I’ll probably take a second look then with this in mind, multitasking rn

[singersigner]

I'm on page "you have 23 pages' worth of posts and between you and chesskid, are actively preventing the game from being reasonably flushed out by town trying to find scum."

My team just feels more strongly that chesskid is town than you are so I'm starting there.

Here's why what you are doing is very distinctly anti-town and needs to be stopped:
1. you are town: you're allowing scum to lurk and hide in your massive waves of posts
2. you are scum: you're drowning out your scummier posts and scum buddies in your massive wave of posts
3. other town: cannot realistically keep up with the information being thrown at them
4. other scum: don't have to keep up with the information being provided

Don't think I haven't noticed chesskid being equally (re: more of) a spammer, but as we're only allowed one lynch today...

Preview Edit:
@Cheeky, thanks! <3

[singersigner]

Oh! Just got clarity on this invention thing (thought it was like first four days irl of each game day but it's just first four game days until a hammer is reached).

invention vote: singersigner

(or however that works)

Reason: Reck, ily, but if you're scum can be manipulative as shit and that can be dangerous until flushed out, so I am just playing it safe.

[chesskid3]

Singer have you read posts 1669, 2347, 2377, 2503?

[xRECKONERx]

2727 reads exactly like something i posted like 10 times earlier

also hi singer, primate was very obvtown according to shea, who has played with him a ton
so from our point of view you're gonna inherit that townieness unless you do some egregious!

p.edit: Singer, please don't introduce another variable into the hider equation on page fucking 110
i believe you're town but my god i want the chance to die overnight bc scum won't shoot me

[CheekyTeeky]

@everyone: how did hindu's flip read on me make sense

He was suspicious of your read flip on him using the "oh he's in my blind spot" reason, it escalated when you pushed on him for reasons he thought were untrue, which I believe was genuine as was his emotion and frustration regarding you.

2537 to 2562.

[BigYoshiFan]

(thought it was like first four days irl of each game day but it's just first four game days until a hammer is reached)

SEE?

[CheekyTeeky]

Hinduragi's exit bled town. I'm yet to be convinced he's scum in spite of all the claims.

[xRECKONERx]

@everyone: how did hindu's flip read on me make sense

He was suspicious of your read flip on him using the "oh he's in my blind spot" reason, it escalated when you pushed on him for reasons he thought were untrue, which I believe was genuine as was his emotion and frustration regarding you.

2537 to 2562.

It's just WAY WAY WAY too quick of a flip. Those two posts flipped him from his rhetoric on me earlier where he HARD DEFENDED ME.

IMO, it should look more like his attempts to pocket me went awry and he overreacted.

Still, Hindu knows how to have me wrapped around his finger, and his replace out posts were pure AtE...but like, it melted my heart and now I can't help but think he was town bc it played with my heartstrings

My team is having to keep me from being mushy by pointing out how artificial his flip on me looked and how he still hasn't done any proactive scumhunting and how his stance on "reck and rc and chesskid are all town and also i wont vote mastina" sucked

[BigYoshiFan]

Hinduragi's exit bled town. I'm yet to be convinced he's scum in spite of all the claims.

Why couldn't it come from scum?

[Creature]

Mulch's reads are:
chesskid town
mastina scum
RC no idea
BYF town

[CheekyTeeky]

Hinduragi's exit bled town. I'm yet to be convinced he's scum in spite of all the claims.

Why couldn't it come from scum?

It felt 100% genuine to me. It could have come from scum but I don't think it would've rung true as it did.

Hey yoshi - can you please explain your SR on Hindu's slot and on myself?

I don't think you've ever really explained it, I waved it off because I thought you felt town when digging your iso (tone and flow seem town, conclusions are scummy lol but prob just bad)

[RadiantCowbells]

Mulch's reads are:
chesskid town
mastina scum
RC no idea
BYF town

Do you still think GuiltyLion is scum?

[CheekyTeeky]

elect: CheekyTeeky

[xRECKONERx]

@singer: Can you ask CDB to give his thoughts on my slot? Curious.

[BigYoshiFan]

Hindu made no attempt to make any reads nor push whom he was essentially told to scumread. His push on me was awful. He seems more occupied with being on everyone's good side rather than advancing the gamestate. His exit is true whether he is town or not. He makes no indication of his alignment, just that he's fed up with his team leaving.

Your push on me was horrible (pings with Hinduragi's). It was never felt genuine to begin with, and if so, only after you found you couldn't fake a scumread on me, you stopped pursuing me. Aside from that, if I recall, you don't have many original reads with reasoning of your own. Your progression on mastina made no sense, like you were just going with the flow, same with GL. At the same time you did a 180 on me, you did so on mastina too. That didn't sit quite well with me, and if I read some context I might be able to pursue that further. I don't buy you townread Hinduragi just based on his exit, and if I recall, you scumread him earlier (or at least voted him). I don't see anything to townread you for, and much to scumread you for.

[xRECKONERx]

My main thing with Hindu is I'm not sure if those behaviors are due to being scum or due to the toxic and awful gamestate.

[RadiantCowbells]

My main thing with Hindu is I'm not sure if those behaviors are due to being scum or due to the toxic and awful gamestate.

bingo, basically. I want to read the replacement, especially given that Cheeky has them as a top townread.

[BigYoshiFan]

Wait what?

Yah buddy, I'm sorry. I'd like to stick around and see if we would've gone 1v1 but most of my team dropped out due to things. I started reading and found out immediately after a few of my first posts. I only put up with this game for their sake so, when I heard they were gone, I dipped out too. That's why I gave my final thoughts and stuff for all you guys. That's everything I've been thinking on the table in my last posts from today.

P-edit: It's alright, my dude, we had fun at least.

Like, can this not be mostly true whether he is town or scum?

[xRECKONERx]

I'm thinking scumteam is like

mastina/katyu/{one of CT/hindu}

[RadiantCowbells]

one of CT

Where did this one come from again?

[xRECKONERx]

literally CT's posts on the last...5-10 pages?

My team's been saying CT sorta non-committally for a bit but have been bouncing between "why is CT so dumb omg" and "wait maybe CT is actually scum"

i can compile some reasons and stuff if you'd like, i just think the CT/hindu interactions are realweird and that's the reason im vocalizing it now

[RadiantCowbells]

Actually especially given that Singer's voting me for spamming so much I'm going to stop phoneposting and respond to everything when I get to a computer.

[chesskid3]

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