Team Mafia 2018: White Flag — Day Six

[LicketyQuickety]

UNVOTE:

Nope, not ready to end the day just yet.

If tchill is a scum read, what more exactly do you want?

I ask this partially in game and partially out of game, because honestly I see stuff like this all the time where people are like "welp, we have 5 days left so we can't hammer." which I think is silly. I've already gotten about as much reading done as I can without flips imo, and I really would just prefer to get some and then go from there.

The only thing I really want before day end is for davsto and ranmaru to finish reading the thread and go from there.

If that's what you meant than carry on.

OK, I think you are saying this about Llama but I am not sure.

I'd like you to explain what exact depth you are seeing. Like explain it like I am 5. What is so deep about this post by Llama?

[LicketyQuickety]

UNVOTE:

Nope, not ready to end the day just yet.

If tchill is a scum read, what more exactly do you want?

I ask this partially in game and partially out of game, because honestly I see stuff like this all the time where people are like "welp, we have 5 days left so we can't hammer." which I think is silly. I've already gotten about as much reading done as I can without flips imo, and I really would just prefer to get some and then go from there.

The only thing I really want before day end is for davsto and ranmaru to finish reading the thread and go from there.

If that's what you meant than carry on.

OK, I think you are saying this about Llama but I am not sure.

I'd like you to explain what exact depth you are seeing. Like explain it like I am 5. What is so deep about this post by Llama?

I meant to quote this posts, not the one I did:

Anyone interested in a last-minute actually good wagon on GE for that gross case in #702?

Unvote, vote: Gamma Emerald

It was pretty dubious, wasn't it. Definitely made me doubt my townread on him and remove him from the upper tier townies.
I'm not as ready to welcome Davsto to the towny pile as TSQ, I think he would be about as good a competing wagon as GE.
Also I think really I was intending to discourage Eddie from just randomly hammering, as if he's town and does that, that sends town down a bad path.
If he's scum I doubt he'll get far anyway.

I like how that post of his picks down a deeper level into things that had already been discussed. He's not looking surface level at all imo.

You say you like Llama's depth here. Describe how this post by Llama is so deep.

[Thestatusquo]

no, that post is responding to llama, and is talking about davsto's catchup post.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hello Shea, Gamma, Postie, Action Dan, LQ, CES, nice to see you all again. Nice to meet everyone else. I will catch up tonight after work. I am glad to be a part of this.

Great seeing you.
This should be fun, Ranmaru and LQ have discussed playing together in MD and I think this is their first time

[Gamma Emerald]

btw what is the issue with my ISO of TChill?

[Llamarble]

CES is defending Tchill
There are only 3 scum in a 15 player game; scum influence over the lynch will be pretty low D1.
No matter what lynch happens, it will inevitably be town-driven.

[MathBlade]

Votecount 1.25

Tchill13(6)

~ Thestatusquo, northsidegal, Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald, Lycanfire, Llamarble

Gamma Emerald(2)

~ ActionDan, Cogito Ergo Sum

northsidegal(1)

~ Marquis

Llamarble(1)

~ Ranmaru

EddieFenix(1)

~ Postie

Davsto(1)

~ Tchill13


Not Voting (3): Davsto, EddieFenix, LicketyQuickety

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-02-05 21:00:00)

MOD NOTES

Prodding TChill13. He has 24 hours to make a content post or be force replaced.

[Llamarble]

Specifically, CES is now on a wagon that TSQ (most universally townread player in game) previously approved of.
He said Tchill isn't any better than a random lynch, but it's hard to go as far as townreading TChill's ISO.
Tchill's scumbuddies need Tchill to come out and defend himself really well; their job is to make sure the lynch falls on a townie after.

[Llamarble]

Anyone interested in a last-minute actually good wagon on GE for that gross case in #702?

Unvote, vote: Gamma Emerald

On second thought, 702 isn't really a case.
He reads Tchill, sees some stuff he doesn't like but mostly eh, and is alright with voting him.
Then he goes back to his own pet project which is LQ.
That's actually pretty townie of him.
And Davsto's post is fine too.
Davsto it's your job to make sure town stays a little paranoid of Postie after I'm gone <3

I'm seeing both of those posts as more "We're lynching TChill? *reads Tchill posts* Okay, this is not a terrible plan."

[Postie]

Outside of my first scum game, the only one I've really enjoyed, I have never not been lynched as scum on this site.

To be fair that's like, 90% because everyone's been very, very wary of you since you absolutely smashed your first scum game. This is bad self-meta.

Just because people were wary in the game you were in - the one

immediately

following my first scum game - doesn't mean you know the reason why I was lynched in

all

of my other scum games, because that absolutely wasn't why I was lynched in all of my other scum games.

[Dunnstral]

Outside of my first scum game, the only one I've really enjoyed, I have never not been lynched as scum on this site.

To be fair that's like, 90% because everyone's been very, very wary of you since you absolutely smashed your first scum game. This is bad self-meta.

Just because people were wary in the game you were in - the one

immediately

following my first scum game - doesn't mean you know the reason why I was lynched in

all

of my other scum games, because that absolutely wasn't why I was lynched in all of my other scum games.

How is this relevant to this game?
How does it tie in

[Llamarble]

Also didn't Davsto say he looked at the others and he agrees that it wasn't the reason in the other games? I think he did.

[Llamarble]

On the other hand, upon skimming the games it does appear her losses are to do with not playing well rather than being under scrutiny due to previous performances.

Yeah this

[Postie]

Idk I guess it doesn't I was just annoyed that Davsto decided to generalise his experience in a sinlge one of my scum games to all of my other games.
Even if what he's saying is true I wouldn't see how it would change anything though, since not being lynched is ultimately what matters as scum, so -shrug-

[Postie]

I have Tchill as null and the wagon seems to be driven by town so I'm okay with it. There are scummier people but it's not awful.
Definitely not voting Gamma.

[Postie]

MOD NOTES

Prodding TChill13. He has 24 hours to make a content post or be force replaced.

Also no hammers before we know if he's being replaced or not

[Llamarble]

Heh I just ISOed you wondering what you thought of the Tchill wagon since it's probably gonna lynch.
Actually can you just do a readslist (More to see another angle on the gamesolve than to help me read you, actually)

[Dunnstral]

MOD NOTES

Prodding TChill13. He has 24 hours to make a content post or be force replaced.

Also no hammers before we know if he's being replaced or not

Why ?

[Llamarble]

There's usually good stuff to be had in the interactions with the player who's about to be lynched.
Agree Tchill should at least be around for his own death.

[Postie]

I have a readlist but I'd rather not share it for now because if I get nightkilled I don't want there to be ambiguity about why it happened. I don't want to give Eddie an out.
Alternatively, I'd be happy to share my reads once I've placed all my nulls because then I can die having done my job. Not that I'm saying my reads are likely to be super duper amazingly accurate or anything, but dying before having made a guess for the scumteam I can be happy with just sucks.

[Thestatusquo]

I have a readlist but I'd rather not share it for now because if I get nightkilled I don't want there to be ambiguity about why it happened.

this is at minimum very anti-town.

[Postie]

Why ?

Because I can't read Tchill but if he's replaced there's a chance I can read the replacement.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why ?

Because I can't read Tchill but if he's replaced there's a chance I can read the replacement.

What is unreadable about TChill?

[Postie]

I have a readlist but I'd rather not share it for now because if I get nightkilled I don't want there to be ambiguity about why it happened.

this is at minimum very anti-town.

???

I want to be alive to push EddieFenix, becaue no one else is doing it. If I'm dead I at least want it to incriminate EddieFenix.

[Thestatusquo]

The baseline of town play is saying what you think of other players. If you're not doing that you're not playing a town game. If you die tonight after not giving us reads we get nothing. That hurts the town a lot.

I don't see a lot of difference between you posting a read list that has eddie at the top and just saying "eddie is scum" in terms of kill likelihood, so from where I'm sitting your reasoning makes no sense and it makes it seem like you don't want to post a reads list because you don't have one.