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UCV and Mumble still no posts. Or maybe they thought that waiting until 2021 was actually a good idea...
Anyways I still stick with Bambi or sheep scum, and thus UCV or Mumble scum. I'm suspecting that scum team wouldn't be the two to open up this game, so Bambi+sheep seems already out of the question. At least for now.hi-
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I think they'd spread it out a bit as in one does the talking and the other stays quiet.
Though as long as until UCV and Mumble make a post, we don't know. These two could also just have been asleep.
However in about 5 hours from now the game will have lasted 24 hours so by then I can forget about that. You cannot possibly sleep for 24 hours.hi-
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Because in my eyes, the scum team wants to have influence on the way the game goes. They won't if they stay quiet, so at least one of them is likely to have a big role in the game.In post 25, Mumble wrote:
Ah, you explained a bit more. Why do you think they'd spread it out?In post 22, Harambey180 wrote:I think they'd spread it out a bit as in one does the talking and the other stays quiet.
Don't think that both of them would be active from the start, unless they're putting up a show so big that we're gonna think both are Town.hi-
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Although now that I'm on that part...
Why would they not both start the game's first interaction?
Well as you could tell from my response it's made at least one of them suspicious.
That's why I think only one of them is scum. Then it's 1v1 and if it swings in favor of scum then they're havin a good start.hi-
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So to sum that up:
Bambi and sheep are NOT both scum, because their 1v1 interaction in the game is very likely to make one of them suspicious.
Bambi and sheep are also NOT both Town, because assumably scum wants some sort of influence in the game. Having one person in that 1v1 is good for influence. Also if scum are lucky then the other one of the two (the Townie) is going to be suspected while the actual scum isn't.
@MumbleDoes this make sense to you or do you think it's differing from this?hi-
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What does w/w stand for? I know s/s and t/t but w/w is a new one for me so please say shortly what it stands for if you don't mind.
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Well grab your calculator. The chances of you two both being town is just 1/6, and if you'd leave me out that's still just 3/10. Purely statistically it's very unlikely actually.In post 30, sheepsaysmeep wrote:harambey, what do you find risky about thinking we could be t/t
i find it very likely
Also I explained that scum is expected to want to have input. There is a possibility that both of you are Town but it's unlikely. Given the reasoning I already gave you, it's almost a certainty that you and Bambi are SvT.hi-
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Why is it necessarily overaggressive.
Also why is it PoE here. Especially so early on in the game, and with UCV not having made a single post, I'm really wondering why you think it's PoE.hi-
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Well I'm kind of in a struggle with that. I've had two mafia games previously (won't go too much into detail). One of them taught me that activity is good for catching scum and the other game said that's invalid here.In post 46, Mumble wrote:
Did you miss this?In post 24, Mumble wrote:Do you think activity is alignment indicative? I'll give you active lurking can be, but do you think that overall activity is?
So I can't really give a good answer to that.
But then again I was just talking about lurking. Lurking usually is either scum or a PR but as there are no 'Power Roles' here I assumed that lurking is more likely to be scummy. Correct me if I'm wrong on this.hi-
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What's your reason to post this. It's game irrelevant and it should be so obvious what I meant with that post. It disturbs me a bit tbh.In post 42, Bambietta Basterbine wrote:That's who would win a match of rock-paper-scissors against each other?hi-
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Why is Bambi likely town in your opinion?In post 44, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
the confidence is just badIn post 40, Harambey180 wrote:Why is it necessarily overaggressive.
Also why is it PoE here. Especially so early on in the game, and with UCV not having made a single post, I'm really wondering why you think it's PoE.
then "probably the partner" is forced
you are either obvtown or almost as good at scum as i am. bambietta is likely town so it's sort of poehi-
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Aah, now I get what you mean by 'active lurking'. It's the 'making posts to look busy while you're not doing anything' concept, right?In post 50, Mumble wrote:
I think lurking/activity is NAI. Active lurking is usually scum, but can also be a PR.In post 48, Harambey180 wrote:But then again I was just talking about lurking. Lurking usually is either scum or a PR but as there are no 'Power Roles' here I assumed that lurking is more likely to be scummy. Correct me if I'm wrong on this.
This is active lurking.In post 49, Harambey180 wrote:
What's your reason to post this. It's game irrelevant and it should be so obvious what I meant with that post. It disturbs me a bit tbh.In post 42, Bambietta Basterbine wrote:That's who would win a match of rock-paper-scissors against each other?hi-
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In post 39, Harambey180 wrote:@sheepIf you have a different look at the situation, please tell us yours. You only said you found t/t likely but you stopped there. Also you had a reason to question me (you had differing opinions), if you are going to question another player's thought process you oughta explain your own too.@sheep
Responds to my post #37.
Responds to my post #40.
Does not respond to my post #39 while I specifically asked him a question here that's important enough for me to bold his name in the post.
Can you give a reply to that post now, sheep?hi-
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I'm not eliminating those chances by now.In post 46, Mumble wrote:
It makes sense, but I disagree. While their 1v1 ended up making one of them suspicious, I don't think that it necessarily had to have. Nor, do I think that it's a good reason to eliminate the possibility that both are scum (or town).In post 28, Harambey180 wrote:@Mumble Does this make sense to you or do you think it's differing from this?
However, just purely theoretically the odds of them being S+T is 4/6. Check this if you want.
I'm not eliminating either of those chances, but for now I think it's good to assume it's S+T. Most likely that it's like this, seems decent to follow this idea right?hi-
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Pretty much saying here: As long as you don't want to have information from me, I'm not going to give that information myself.In post 55, Bambietta Basterbine wrote:Well I made it to be funny, not to have a hidden agenda. Joking around can call the nerves before stuff, ya know?
And I knew what you meant. Your looking for the reasons why certain things are going on.
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I'm there for questions if you want to ask them.
Come on Bambi, you know better than this. You don't always have to and shouldn't wait for questions to be asked.
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Yeah you got a point here, regarding the beginning, I'd take it back.In post 59, Bambietta Basterbine wrote:I was literally the first person that wasn't the Moderator to post here. Saying I only speak when spoken too is kinda shitty for an expression.
Unless the FoS isn't "Finger of Suspicion" and it means "Full of Shit".
However regarding just that post alone, it does fall in 'only speaks when spoken to' when you're asking for questions. It's not that I said that this was true for your entire gameplay so far, just that post and what's assumably coming next.hi-
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First of all, that's so LAMIST.In post 60, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
i know im town, so me/bambi is t/t or t/wIn post 39, Harambey180 wrote:@sheepIf you have a different look at the situation, please tell us yours. You only said you found t/t likely but you stopped there. Also you had a reason to question me (you had differing opinions), if you are going to question another player's thought process you oughta explain your own too.
both are possible
i townread bambi so i find t/t more likely
Second of all, try to look at it from my perspective.
I don't know if you are Town or not, for my view saying you are, does not matter.
Can you understand that from my point of view, it's pretty hard to go with a t/t situation here?hi-
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In my eyes, it is LAMIST. Let me explain:In post 66, sheepsaysmeep wrote:i was talking fmpov. that's not lamist - lamist is hey im obvtown not hey im town from my perspective
It should be obvious that everyone is trying to come over as a Townie, Townies and scummies. You should assume we'd see you as Town.
However, apparently you felt you needed to mention it. You don't need to. Of course when you are explaining your view, we're supposed to believe you on your word as being a Townie.
Thus, mentioning you are Town is slight LAMIST to me. On the other hand it could just be to clarify the situation but I've found that excuse to be LAME-IST, to come up with a new term.hi-
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What's the problem with trying to lynch a mafia?In post 67, Bambietta Basterbine wrote:Well, let me point something out since I'm accused of waiting for questions toward me.
We have two choices here. Lynch one of the mafia, preferably the Godfather, and win easy peasy. OR, we could say who we absolutely trust as town be hung so they can venge kill mafia. And with that information, we get the their partner rather easily.
I mean, on the way to the lynch, we're going to have some good assumptions about possible scum in the end.
We should always try to lynch the scum. In case we actually lynch a Vengeful Townie, well then that person should be able to make a good decision if we put enough work into trying to catch the scum.hi-
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So I don't get why you bring this up. What's the point in trying to lynch a Vengeful Townie, assuming he will venge kill a scum? Imagine he won't, then we lost (if I'm correct). That's also a big risk tbh.
My plan is: Try to lynch the mafia and if we didn't succeed there, then still hopefully we've done enough to get a venge kill right after.hi-
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Also, I thought it's a good idea to ask each of you a question:
@BambiCan you tell us what your read on UCV is, and why?
@UCVYour only post so far was #58. It shows that you had enough time to catch up. Why are you not posting more?
@MumbleWhat is your opinion on me+Bambi? As in: T+T/S+S/T+S/S+T.
@sheepAssuming that you are indeed Town, can you give us your readslist?hi-
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Also here's a question to everyone. Please tell me honestly if you think this is a stupid question to ask:
Imagine that you were one of the two scum in this game (just imagine). Who of the other four players in this game, do you think would most likely be your scumpartner at this moment?
It could be game-irrelevant, I don't know. I just think it's an interesting question to ask.hi-
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Well let me word it differently then:In post 76, sheepsaysmeep wrote:In post 73, Harambey180 wrote:Imagine that you were one of the two scum in this game (just imagine). Who of the other four players in this game, do you think would most likely be your scumpartner at this moment?mathdinoim not familiar with any of your wolf play so tbh i wouldnt care
Based on how the others have been posting so far, who would most likely have been scum together with you, if you were scum yourself? Like, who do you think would be your most logical scumpartner?hi-
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Sorry but I'm just not going to follow your idea. This is a ridiculous idea.In post 79, Bambietta Basterbine wrote:
Because i know finding the mafia should be the part town should focus on, but the Vengeful kill is also the option we have to keep in mind. If we do hang someone who we read as SCUM but is a vengeful, they'll kill the leader of the wagon on them probably, which could be either a mafia leading the Lynch or a misguided townie. So hanging a Vengeful by accident has a huge chance of backfiring.In post 70, Harambey180 wrote:
What's the problem with trying to lynch a mafia?In post 67, Bambietta Basterbine wrote:Well, let me point something out since I'm accused of waiting for questions toward me.
We have two choices here. Lynch one of the mafia, preferably the Godfather, and win easy peasy. OR, we could say who we absolutely trust as town be hung so they can venge kill mafia. And with that information, we get the their partner rather easily.
I mean, on the way to the lynch, we're going to have some good assumptions about possible scum in the end.
We should always try to lynch the scum. In case we actually lynch a Vengeful Townie, well then that person should be able to make a good decision if we put enough work into trying to catch the scum.
But if we hang someone who is READ as townie, that works out for us either way. If they are the ones the town mainly read as townie, they can kill the mafia after thinking really hard about it. And if they're scum who got away with being town read? Well that solves itself too.
Yes we should figure out who the mafia are. If we have an idea of who the scummies are why on earth would we NOT lynch them?
The whole 'in case they aren't scum' thing... do you really think that a Vengeful Townie will get so furious of being lynched to do just like you described? As sheep said, people know better than this. They don't get time to think who they're going to vengekill for nothing, it's so they can take a look at what happened and make a good assumption of who to vengekill. An expertised Vengeful Townie in my eyes would almost never just shoot the leader of his wagon for purely that reason, and I hope we are all expertised players herehi-
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Like, how does it even make a difference when we lynch a Vengeful Townie, if we assumed he was scum or Town? I really, really do not understand how you think that the one being Town-read has a higher chance of succesfully vengekilling mafia, than a scum-readed one. Especially as you say 'after thinking really hard about it'. OMGUS, a scum-readed lynched VT would hopefully also think really hard about it right?
P-edit: If that's a setup, I never played nor watched it b4, I guess it's an exception to this rule of 'never lynch Town'?hi-
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Honestly, I can imagine it being a scumslip from Bambi.
Like, first she says that a Scum-readed VT who gets lynched, would NOT think before submitting his vengekill action and just shoot the person that leaded the wagon.
However, apparently a Town-readed VT that gets lynched, would INDEED think about who to vengekill, and thus he would have a better chance of shooting the mafia.
P-edit: So like an even more chaotic version of this? Oh my...hi-
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In post 72, Harambey180 wrote:Also, I thought it's a good idea to ask each of you a question:
@BambiCan you tell us what your read on UCV is, and why?hi-
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Yeah, look at his ISO.
Look at aaaaaaall those posts that show up there.
I sure hope that you can make some sort of read on that, or at least have an opinion on that.hi-
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Oh maybe I should have worded it otherwise:In post 91, Harambey180 wrote:Yeah, look at his ISO.
Look at aaaaaaall those posts that show up there.
I sure hope that you can make some sort of read on that, or at least have an opinion on that.
@BambiWhat do you think about UCV only having made one post?hi-
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I hope it's not still the 'overaggressive entrance' and 'PoE' anymore.
At least explain why voting Mumble is PoE. I can recall on that I asked you this b4, but not that you answered it. Unless I missed it, in that case please refer to that post, I'm working on Mumble now.hi-
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ISO on Mumble. If I won't forget I'll put a tl;dr at the end.
That's not gonna change my opinion on Bambi.
Again, that's not gonna impress me. Explain us why you think that I would be Bambi's scumpartner, in case Bambi is indeed scum.
Probably the partner.In post 18, Harambey180 wrote:Bambietta's posts have a clumsy appealing, sry Bambietta. Bit of a scumlean on you.
That's a weird thing to think. Explain?[/quote]In post 21, Harambey180 wrote:I'm suspecting that scum team wouldn't be the two to open up this game, so Bambi+sheep seems already out of the question.
Again your reasoning looks so weak. Yes, we shouldn't eliminate those possibilities. I'd like to hear why you'd think 'it necessarily had to have'.In post 46, Mumble wrote:
It makes sense, but I disagree. While their 1v1 ended up making one of them suspicious, I don't think that it necessarily had to have. Nor, do I think that it's a good reason to eliminate the possibility that both are scum (or town).In post 28, Harambey180 wrote:@Mumble Does this make sense to you or do you think it's differing from this?
I don't even get what you mean by that in the first way. That just shows that it's weak too.
This is too.In post 50, Mumble wrote:
I think lurking/activity is NAI. Active lurking is usually scum, but can also be a PR.In post 48, Harambey180 wrote:But then again I was just talking about lurking. Lurking usually is either scum or a PR but as there are no 'Power Roles' here I assumed that lurking is more likely to be scummy. Correct me if I'm wrong on this.
This is active lurking.In post 49, Harambey180 wrote:
What's your reason to post this. It's game irrelevant and it should be so obvious what I meant with that post. It disturbs me a bit tbh.In post 42, Bambietta Basterbine wrote:That's who would win a match of rock-paper-scissors against each other?
That's a rude way to say it I guess, but I do think it looks like it.
tl;dr: What I'm most concerned about for Mumble, is that his reasoning is weak or not there. Just says what he thinks but not why. He should try to convince us why he is right and why we should follow him, he's not doing that. A short argumentation has more scum motive in my eyes; there's less room for scumslips or other errors.
Mumble, if you want to convince me you are Town, I'd ask you to elaborate more on what you say. I kind of miss that now.hi-
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Aah, found it. You did explain.In post 44, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
the confidence is just badIn post 40, Harambey180 wrote:Why is it necessarily overaggressive.
Also why is it PoE here. Especially so early on in the game, and with UCV not having made a single post, I'm really wondering why you think it's PoE.
then "probably the partner" is forced
you are either obvtown or almost as good at scum as i am. bambietta is likely town so it's sort of poe
I guess the reason why I slightly forgot about it is bcuz it's not really convincing a lot.
Though you did keep it short and simple.
"The confidence is just bad" I wonder how you could tell that.
If the confidence is indeed bad then that would indeed be forced. We - or at least I - have already asked Mumble questions about this though so we'll be able to elaborate on it soon.hi-
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However why would that mean we should vote Mumble and not UCV? Because UCV has posted less?In post 102, Harambey180 wrote:Nothing seems wrong with your reasoning for why it's PoE. Fypov, you are Town, you have townlean on me and slight townlean on Bambi.
I mean in your world then UCV is also likely to be scum then right... then again you have a null on him.
Or in other words, either Bambi or UCV should be seen as scum but it's T+N right now.hi-
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I just realized I've made almost half of all the posts in the entire game so far.
I guess I should calm down a bit... I think it's not bad to give the others the word for a moment, right?
P-edit: @sheep why has he had 0 impact on the game so far? He at least told us his opinions, that has impact right.
@Bambi well that's bold to assume... like what would you get out of that? That he has lost interest in this game... he'll come back soon hopefully.hi-
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UCV, please become active right now or just replace out. If you're scum then it's not that awful to lurk but still it is putting me off, if you can't catch up then just replace out as soon as you get the chance please.In post 113, UC Voyager wrote:erg. i will cathc up laterhi-
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And if you are actually Town that'd be even worse.In post 118, Harambey180 wrote:
UCV, please become active right now or just replace out. If you're scum then it's not that awful to lurk but still it is putting me off, if you can't catch up then just replace out as soon as you get the chance please.In post 113, UC Voyager wrote:erg. i will cathc up laterhi-
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First I already told you that I ISO'd him, which you seemed to have skipped.In post 112, sheepsaysmeep wrote:look at his posts again with what i said in mind
Apparently you also missed the moment that I agreed on that he indeed hardly reasoned at all. Look again at my ISO, especially the tl;dr:
I had put focus on him that he has weak or no reasoning. I am already pushing him to do that better; you have no need to try and do that too apart from putting more pressure on him.In post 99, Harambey180 wrote:tl;dr: What I'm most concerned about for Mumble, is that his reasoning is weak or not there. Just says what he thinks but not why. He should try to convince us why he is right and why we should follow him, he's not doing that. A short argumentation has more scum motive in my eyes; there's less room for scumslips or other errors.
Mumble, if you want to convince me you are Town, I'd ask you to elaborate more on what you say. I kind of miss that now.hi-
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