Mini Normal 1989: A Perfectly Normal Day -- Game Over

[Havo]

Nero come out and play with us.

[Chickadee]

You really dont want to do that.

I don't respond well to pressure as either alignment. It's pretty damning for me either way.

Do you get too defensive? What are we talking here?

It's not really my job to give you all my tells, but in the interest of cooperation here:
I get too defensive, I repeat myself a lot, and then out of frustration, I usually shut down. I'm more likely to claim early as town if there's any pressure.

Pedit: Also I happen to know Nero has the flu, just FYI - because he cancelled our lunch plans, not because we scum buds.

[sheepsaysmeep]

chumba is town
profii is town

[Havo]

You really dont want to do that.

I don't respond well to pressure as either alignment. It's pretty damning for me either way.

Do you get too defensive? What are we talking here?

It's not really my job to give you all my tells, but in the interest of cooperation here:
I get too defensive, I repeat myself a lot, and then out of frustration, I usually shut down. I'm more likely to claim early as town if there's any pressure.

Pedit: Also I happen to know Nero has the flu, just FYI - because he cancelled our lunch plans, not because we scum buds.

I don’t see it as a tell if you preface it with, “I don’t respond well to pressure as either alignment.”

Thanks for the answer tho and the Nero update.

The Flu sucks.

[HeWhoSwims]

VOTE: TChill13

Hm, why this vote out of all the people on the wagon? (Also rereading I found out I wasn't at L-1 when profi said so, I was at L-2). I've seen townie Tchill put town to actual L-1 earlier.

I'm not sure if scum!havo would quickhammer a town wagon just because of the attention it will bring. I'd see a townie do it sooner if that makes sense.

Surely as Profii says in 101 if you're gonna mislynch on D1 it'd be better to lynch VT than a power role, but that is IF we mislynch. We have 2 weeks ahead of us and although we don't have to use all of that time... getting the game to flow might just increase the likelihood of catching scum D1 although it's a long shot. Also Eth0s' post was indeed a bit opportunistic (perhaps not the right word??) although I'm not too worried about it for now, it was page 1 and early RVS ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Also yeah no I wouldn't play against my wincon/not participate with any alignment. I still don't see how the f I was supposed to have reads in my last post if there's next to nothing to talk about except a wagon on myself and some RVS votes.

was a fake interpretation of the posts of Havo

Is it fake because you're scumreading me?

All I have for now. Chumba, Profii leaning town.

[profii]

VOTE: TChill13

Hm, why this vote out of all the people on the wagon? (Also rereading I found out I wasn't at L-1 when profi said so, I was at L-2). I've seen townie Tchill put town to actual L-1 earlier.

I'm not sure if scum!havo would quickhammer a town wagon just because of the attention it will bring. I'd see a townie do it sooner if that makes sense.

Surely as Profii says in 101 if you're gonna mislynch on D1 it'd be better to lynch VT than a power role, but that is IF we mislynch. We have 2 weeks ahead of us and although we don't have to use all of that time... getting the game to flow might just increase the likelihood of catching scum D1 although it's a long shot. Also Eth0s' post was indeed a bit opportunistic (perhaps not the right word??) although I'm not too worried about it for now, it was page 1 and early RVS ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Also yeah no I wouldn't play against my wincon/not participate with any alignment. I still don't see how the f I was supposed to have reads in my last post if there's next to nothing to talk about except a wagon on myself and some RVS votes.

was a fake interpretation of the posts of Havo

Is it fake because you're scumreading me?

All I have for now. Chumba, Profii leaning town.

im sure you’ve read the rest of the thread and spotted why but just in case

I don’t like to repeat myself usually as it’s a good way to catch people who aren’t paying attention but I’ll highlight something that you might not be aware of

A majority of players in this game have just completed a game together where havo quick hammered 3x on the bounce as VT and got next to no pressure for it. He also quoted the disclaimer from that game in this thread so I suspect most of the gang from that game believe he will do it again

So my vote was on TChill because he was in the aforementioned game, therefore by L-1 voting, he knows a lynch is probable, if he is scum, he knows a mislynch is probable and defensible.

Interesting that you queried that principle - Not Known 15 was not in that game, so he is interpreting the havo warnings differently to you, yet encouraging a lynch anyway for obviously different reasons. Worth noting

[HeWhoSwims]

I didn't know about that game, thanks for explaining. Explains your vote obviously but as I already mentioned I personally don't quite hold it against him now although D1 quickhammering is bad. Might've helped that you thought it was L-1 but it wasn't. I played a game with Tchill and Havo both town and they still were quite anti-D1 if that matters.

[osuka]

So I disagree with NK15's point that town should be angry about lynch pressure at this stage - if you are claiming VT.

Exactly. VTs don’t care if they are lynched.

He’s either actually a Vt or he’s scum claiming one and we have nothing so far to say which is which.

So I disagree with NK15's point that town should be angry about lynch pressure at this stage - if you are claiming VT.

Yes, it is reasonable to assume that vanilla townies are not angry about people wanting to bring someone at L-1.
But that is not all what happened. Someone told everyone of us that they would

quickhammer

them. Worse, they told us that they were fully content with quicklynching them based on zero actual scumreads. That should normally gain a stronger reaction than what happened.
But what is more damning is the total lack of useful partipiciation by HWS. All what we have is defense, fluff, RVS... but no case on anyone else, except Havo, right after I called them on not producing reads, and that one

was a fake interpretation of the posts of Havo

.

First off can you stop bolding your posts? They look like they’re supposed to be a buzzfeed “article”

And secondly can you stop posting stupid shit like this? “VTs don’t care if they’re lynched” has to be the dumbest thing anyone has said in this thread so far

Your push has no reason to exist anymore and you trying to convince people otherwise is sad
VOTE: not known 15

[Chumba]

And secondly can you stop posting stupid shit like this? “VTs don’t care if they’re lynched” has to be the dumbest thing anyone has said in this thread so far

To be fair I was the one who said VTs don’t care if they are lynched not him.

[osuka]

I'm just saying nk15 looks like he's trying to look really towny

Over aggressive very early. Yes.

You really dont want to do that.

I don't respond well to pressure as either alignment. It's pretty damning for me either way.

Do you get too defensive? What are we talking here?

For someone who’s playing the game like you are, you sure post a lot of truths

[osuka]

And secondly can you stop posting stupid shit like this? “VTs don’t care if they’re lynched” has to be the dumbest thing anyone has said in this thread so far

To be fair I was the one who said VTs don’t care if they are lynched not him.

Well pardon my hangover then. My head is pounding and I still haven’t managed to get out of bed

[osuka]

You really dont want to do that.

I don't respond well to pressure as either alignment. It's pretty damning for me either way.

Do you get too defensive? What are we talking here?

It's not really my job to give you all my tells, but in the interest of cooperation here:
I get too defensive, I repeat myself a lot, and then out of frustration, I usually shut down. I'm more likely to claim early as town if there's any pressure.

Pedit: Also I happen to know Nero has the flu, just FYI - because he cancelled our lunch plans, not because we scum buds.

thats a shit reason for anything

The fact that you don’t deal well with [something] makes me want to expose you to it; people give away the most tells when they’re uncomfortable. Call me an asshole or whatever but I’m tempted to tunnel your slot for that reason alone

If you break down under pressure then maybe you shouldn’t be playing this game

[osuka]

profii can be town

[Chickadee]

You really dont want to do that.

I don't respond well to pressure as either alignment. It's pretty damning for me either way.

Do you get too defensive? What are we talking here?

It's not really my job to give you all my tells, but in the interest of cooperation here:
I get too defensive, I repeat myself a lot, and then out of frustration, I usually shut down. I'm more likely to claim early as town if there's any pressure.

Pedit: Also I happen to know Nero has the flu, just FYI - because he cancelled our lunch plans, not because we scum buds.

thats a shit reason for anything

The fact that you don’t deal well with [something] makes me want to expose you to it; people give away the most tells when they’re uncomfortable. Call me an asshole or whatever but I’m tempted to tunnel your slot for that reason alone

If you break down under pressure then maybe you shouldn’t be playing this game

First off, fuck you for that. That's a shitty conclusion to what I wrote.

Schadd suggested, with no reason, that we put my slot at L-1. I simply said it's not gonna get you anywhere. If you have real reasons to find me scummy then by all means push me. But if there's no reason to find me scummy, running me up isn't going to do anything, because I have nothing to respond to.

[osuka]

You really dont want to do that.

I don't respond well to pressure as either alignment. It's pretty damning for me either way.

Do you get too defensive? What are we talking here?

It's not really my job to give you all my tells, but in the interest of cooperation here:
I get too defensive, I repeat myself a lot, and then out of frustration, I usually shut down. I'm more likely to claim early as town if there's any pressure.

Pedit: Also I happen to know Nero has the flu, just FYI - because he cancelled our lunch plans, not because we scum buds.

thats a shit reason for anything

The fact that you don’t deal well with [something] makes me want to expose you to it; people give away the most tells when they’re uncomfortable. Call me an asshole or whatever but I’m tempted to tunnel your slot for that reason alone

If you break down under pressure then maybe you shouldn’t be playing this game

First off, fuck you for that. That's a shitty conclusion to what I wrote.

Schadd suggested, with no reason, that we put my slot at L-1. I simply said it's not gonna get you anywhere. If you have real reasons to find me scummy then by all means push me. But if there's no reason to find me scummy, running me up isn't going to do anything, because I have nothing to respond to.

It’s not my conclusion that’s shitty, it’s that you were incapable of clearly conveying what you actually meant, twice.

I don't respond well to pressure as either alignment. It's pretty damning for me either way.

I get too defensive, I repeat myself a lot, and then out of frustration, I usually shut down. I'm more likely to claim early as town if there's any pressure.

Now, if this pseudo-breakdown you just had was what you meant when you said you don’t like pressure then I guess you have a point

[Not Known 15]

So I disagree with NK15's point that town should be angry about lynch pressure at this stage - if you are claiming VT.

Exactly. VTs don’t care if they are lynched.

He’s either actually a Vt or he’s scum claiming one and we have nothing so far to say which is which.

So I disagree with NK15's point that town should be angry about lynch pressure at this stage - if you are claiming VT.

Yes, it is reasonable to assume that vanilla townies are not angry about people wanting to bring someone at L-1.
But that is not all what happened. Someone told everyone of us that they would

quickhammer

them. Worse, they told us that they were fully content with quicklynching them based on zero actual scumreads. That should normally gain a stronger reaction than what happened.
But what is more damning is the total lack of useful partipiciation by HWS. All what we have is defense, fluff, RVS... but no case on anyone else, except Havo, right after I called them on not producing reads, and that one

was a fake interpretation of the posts of Havo

.

First off can you stop bolding your posts? They look like they’re supposed to be a buzzfeed “article”

And secondly can you stop posting stupid shit like this? “VTs don’t care if they’re lynched” has to be the dumbest thing anyone has said in this thread so far

Your push has no reason to exist anymore and you trying to convince people otherwise is sad
VOTE: not known 15

Can you explain this a bit further?
You are actually reinforcing my point that the calmness of the posts of HWS is strange.
And I have no idea why you think that my push has no reason to exist anymore. Just because some people disagree with me that does not mean that I should back off.
Sheep did not move their vote from HWS yet. Tchill did not move the vote from HWS either despite having concerns about my play.
Nero isnt here again.
That's still 4 votes. I am still confident in my reasonings. I have no good reason to move my vote.

[Havo]

Well this game hasn’t been as active as I had hoped.

Maybe it will pick up soon.

[profii]

Havo are you scum?

[insanity018]

Votecount 1.3

HeWhoSwims

(4): sheepsaysmeep, Nero Cain, Tchill13, Not Known 15

Not Known 15

(3): Chumba, profii, osuka

sheepsaysmeep

(2): Jodaxq, eth0s

eth0s

(1): Havo

Havo

(1): HeWhoSwims

Not Voting

(2): Chickadee, schadd_

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-02-15 17:30:00)

[Havo]

Havo are you scum?

No

[profii]

Aw man, thought I had ya then

[Nero Cain]

Nero isnt here again.

Whats the point of this after chick told ya'll I had the flu?

[Not Known 15]

Nero isnt here again.

Whats the point of this after chick told ya'll I had the flu?

I was merely outlining that you werent here again, so there was no information if you wanted to change your vote or not; unlike the other two

[Jodaxq]

who thinks NK15 is town after that flip on his stance?

me

I think you are the only one so far who has a town read on Not Known. Could you expand on it for me?

[Jodaxq]

Town is supposed to:
bring reads on someone else
be angry to be threatened with the hammer this early
try to partipiciate positively in general

Nothing of that applies to HWS.

all of this is false. I literally just completed a game where the town doctor was threatened with a lynch and was lynched and he didn't do any of those things.

what people have told me over and over again on my other accounts and I never really listened applies here.

Not everyone is going to play the way you expect them to. Just because somebody plays different to your expectations doesn't make them scum.

nothing hws is alignment indicative and if you say it is you are lying.

I said town is supposed to.
If HWS is someone like Not Mafia(the player that didnt claim 2-shot doc in your last game, not cooperative, badly readable, and otherwise anti-town(and also not really interested into winning and partipiciating positively))

then I see no reason not to lynch them Day 1. After all, you don't want to have such players in LYLO anyways, and they wont catch the nightkill unless they are a power role, and HWS claimed vanilla

. So yes, they could be:
scum that tried to fake calmness
A Vanilla Townie with an anti-town playstyle
Scum with an anti-town playstyle.
That's a good reason to lynch them Day 1.

This is just so weird. I've never got even a whiff of a Not_Mafia playstyle from HWS. I really don't understand your progression in this push.