But they don't get informed if their recruit succeeded until the play phase has ended. They wouldn't know if they did gain a member or not before the immunization hammer is in place.
I’m confused.
Do they recruit during play phase or pause phase?
Is the immune like a RB? Stops from being recruited and stops from recruiting?
They submit the action during the play phase, but it only resolves during the pause phase. Think of it as the inverse of a night action, which would only resolve at the end of the night, so you won't learn of the result until the night has ended and the day is ongoing.
As for immunization, I understand that it makes you unrecruitable, but ONLY IF the hammer occurs before being targeted fro recruitment. Since actions cannot be changed once submitted, the hammer will either be on someone already targeted, a virgin (available for both recruitment & immunization, whichever comes first), or someone already culted or is immune-Town.
In the former case, the immunization will fail and the target will be recruited because the targeting occurred first. In the latter, the immunization will still fail because hat person in ineligible for the immunization process to begin with.
In the case of a Virgin who was NOT targeted for recruitment, the immunization will go through.
on the chance that 2 actions are submitted that have the same timestamp, I will queue them in the order that they appear in my INBOX (first received first, of course)
Do we get any flavour (may be pure fluff) what happened while we paused?
Also:
vote Almost50
- we know he didn't change alignment during the pause. Let's keep it that way for now.
Mate, I'm already IMMUNE, so I'm permanently a Townie. (Or am I missing something???)
So what is the point to immunize then?
If they target someone within the first minutes of play then immunity can’t save them?
Or does it work the other way.
We have to guess who the targeted to block the action with immunity?
"A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde
You should stop doing this. If you're going to make a game where time stamps matter, you need to have a set time when you'll accept the submission of actions, known long in advance, rather than just having action submission become allowable whenever you show up.
If I told you all that I could guarantee someone wouldn't be able to be recruited during a phase, would you vote for them in order to extend their immunity and make it permanent?
If I told you all that I could guarantee someone wouldn't be able to be recruited during a phase, would you vote for them in order to extend their immunity and make it permanent?
In post 853, Srceenplay wrote:So what is the point to immunize then?
If they target someone within the first minutes of play then immunity can’t save them?
Or does it work the other way.
We have to guess who the targeted to block the action with immunity?
mate, once immunized they canNOT recruit the player EVER. That is, I am now UNrecruitable. I'm stuck by the Neutrals side.
Had I been targeted BEFORE I was hammered, I would have been recruited instead, and immunization on me would have failed. Since that didn't happen, then I'm now 100% Neutral for the rest of the game, but 2 others got culted, and
CERB WAS ONE OF THEM.
So, we now likely have 11 recruitable slots (24-(2 CLs+2 recruits+6 TPRs at the start of the game+Dunker & Creature+me))
In post 853, Srceenplay wrote:So what is the point to immunize then?
If they target someone within the first minutes of play then immunity can’t save them?
Or does it work the other way.
We have to guess who the targeted to block the action with immunity?
mate, once immunized they canNOT recruit the player EVER. That is, I am now UNrecruitable. I'm stuck by the Neutrals side.
Had I been targeted BEFORE I was hammered, I would have been recruited instead, and immunization on me would have failed. Since that didn't happen, then I'm now 100% Neutral for the rest of the game, but 2 others got culted, and
CERB WAS ONE OF THEM.
So, we now likely have 11 recruitable slots (24-(2 CLs+2 recruits+6 TPRs at the start of the game+Dunker & Creature+me))
A50....how would we know whether or not the immunization on you failed?
on the chance that 2 actions are submitted that have the same timestamp, I will queue them in the order that they appear in my INBOX (first received first, of course)
Do we get any flavour (may be pure fluff) what happened while we paused?
Also:
vote Almost50
- we know he didn't change alignment during the pause. Let's keep it that way for now.
wut
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In post 1, drealmerz7 wrote:PLAY - players may submit actions and vote
PAUSE - players may not submit actions or vote,
actions are resolved in order they were submitted during the PLAY state
@Varsoon: How ON EARTH would they know if their action was successful during PLAY when it only resolves IN PAUSE???????? They do submit the action during play, but it only resolves during pause, so they cannot be notified of something that didn't actually resolve yet!! Duh!
With all due respect, you are an AWESOME, MAGNIFICENT, MARVELOUS, WONDERFUL mod. But you suck as a player, dude!
In post 853, Srceenplay wrote:So what is the point to immunize then?
If they target someone within the first minutes of play then immunity can’t save them?
Or does it work the other way.
We have to guess who the targeted to block the action with immunity?
mate, once immunized they canNOT recruit the player EVER. That is, I am now UNrecruitable. I'm stuck by the Neutrals side.
Had I been targeted BEFORE I was hammered, I would have been recruited instead, and immunization on me would have failed. Since that didn't happen, then I'm now 100% Neutral for the rest of the game, but 2 others got culted, and
CERB WAS ONE OF THEM.
So, we now likely have 11 recruitable slots (24-(2 CLs+2 recruits+6 TPRs at the start of the game+Dunker & Creature+me))
A50....how would we know whether or not the immunization on you failed?
In post 853, Srceenplay wrote:So what is the point to immunize then?
If they target someone within the first minutes of play then immunity can’t save them?
Or does it work the other way.
We have to guess who the targeted to block the action with immunity?
mate, once immunized they canNOT recruit the player EVER. That is, I am now UNrecruitable. I'm stuck by the Neutrals side.
Had I been targeted BEFORE I was hammered, I would have been recruited instead, and immunization on me would have failed. Since that didn't happen, then I'm now 100% Neutral for the rest of the game, but 2 others got culted, and
CERB WAS ONE OF THEM.
So, we now likely have 11 recruitable slots (24-(2 CLs+2 recruits+6 TPRs at the start of the game+Dunker & Creature+me))
A50....how would we know whether or not the immunization on you failed?
You shading me is enough evidence.
You've seen me as scum. I'm not so straightforward, you know that. Stop using silly arguments that you know aren't true. Did you receive a message from the moderator informing you that you had been made immune? I want to know where your belief that you were immunized came from. Is it simply the vote, or did you receive independent confirmation?
You know, given that all the non cult are NS I don't think there is a vig because that sucks if you get vigged as NS, and that could happen to pretty much anyone
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Would you do this thing to me in the next 3 minutes?
You might not like it.
Chickadee: How to crumb Vig 101.
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Would you do this thing to me in the next 3 minutes?
You might not like it.
Interesting. What about my other questions?
I prefer not to answer the first.
I'm not opposed, but I feel there are probably better targets for immunization. I don't know if I'm recruitable or not.
Pedit: @inferno, I was not at all implying I would kill Cerb. I can do something else.
Guys, I'm not even sure if I'm making the right move. I was hoping to use one cult to suppress the other, but I'm not sure everybody's seeing what I'm seeing (or rather "those who do matter), so I'm going to do something that might be dumb and expose one cult while I'm still unsure about the other.
Jay IS a CULT LEADER, and he recruited CERB
Spoiler: Case for Jay Cult Leader:
In post 39, JaydragonKing wrote:Well if they BOTH have the same idea to recruit him, that just means neither will do it!
In post 189, JaydragonKing wrote:I'm just going to casually vote myself up and my friends/followers may do the same
VOTE: Jay
The most obvious crumb of all (and I don't even know why he crumbs, tbh): my "followers" may do the same.
In post 802, Almost50 wrote:So, what happens if a CL is Vig'ed? According to the wiki the common variant is that the cult will stop spreading but will still try to survive to attain majority (which I guess is nigh to impossible, considering there is no lynch).
A common variation is for cultists all to commit suicide if their leader dies, while a third uncommon variation is for the members to be able to recruit if the leader dies (I imagine that could be done either by an internal vote in their PT on the target, or maybe a new leader would get elected .. something like when a Mafia GF dies and someone else is promoted to be their successor).
So, anyway, WHICH of these variations is the case here? Anyone??
In post 804, JaydragonKing wrote:Honestly I think that team is fucked and can't get converted while the neutrals and the other cult Duke it out for members.
AGAIN, volueering to give a precise idea of he kind of cult we're dealing with. I don't care of the knowledge is true (i.e. he slipped) or false (i.e. he's lying), because either way it shows he knows the amswer to my question.
And if that still doesn't do it for you, this one should:
In post 734, Cerberus v666 wrote:99% chance that voting here guarantees we will both not hit someone who is already immune/not a virgin, and that they will not be recruited this phase.
Only chance of failure is if they were recruited yearerday.
100% serious, this is a guaranteed thing, we can carry on with everything else but this is the mechanically optimal choice to make.
VOTE: Jaydragonking
This, ladies and gentlemen was the first vote Cerb casted during "Pause 1" when he thought it was "Play 2", and THAT is what I was talking about regarding this particular AWESOME player. See how smooth he promoted for the totally lethal idea of his? (Btw, @Cerb: Did you misspell "yesterday" or was this intentional??
You may also add the following quote as further evidence:
You should stop doing this. If you're going to make a game where time stamps matter, you need to have a set time when you'll accept the submission of actions, known long in advance, rather than just having action submission become allowable whenever you show up.
If I told you all that I could guarantee someone wouldn't be able to be recruited during a phase, would you vote for them in order to extend their immunity and make it permanent?
Cerb is complaining tha they submitted an action previously when they thought the pause was over, and it didn't count. Then the game got resumed and they didn't manage to submit the action a the very start of the phase.
Remember when Cerb said this:
In post 618, Cerberus v666 wrote:A50, you're certainly overestimating my reputation with this playerlist. Perhaps if there were other people here it wold be likely, but I've played with less than half of the people here, and not necessarily in games where I was impressive.
I do agree that any competent cult would have made their recruits as soon as the game started though
, making all this discussion likely pointless.
And now he's complaining about it????
Like I said, when specifically targeted Cerb with my suspicion I was literally sacrificing my queen to earn the chance to CHECKMATE.
Jay doesn't know Cerb, but the way I went about him convinced Jay he was the best recruitment option, and it served ME to know exactly whom he recruited. Once Jay is gone the cult would stop growing (mod refuses to confirm if a CL could be killed and thus is not telling me what happens IF they do, but Jay was graceful enough to provide me with the answer).
The other CL "might" be Gamma, or it still could be Varsoon, or maybe it's something I've overlooked. THAT was why I wanted to wait before I exposed Jay.
In post 871, Almost50 wrote:The other CL "might" be Gamma, or it still could be Varsoon, or maybe it's something I've overlooked. THAT was why I wanted to wait before I exposed Jay.
What makes you think it's me?
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