♥ ♠ Open 711: Stack The Deck - Game Over ♣ ♦

[Not_Mafia]

Oh wow, the other scum is here to discredit too, you're really betting the whole house on today huh

[Montosh]

Sorry, it makes perfect sense for scum!lego to pre-empt a sky cop claim in a MyLo situation. Not to mention you've been on the sky slot basically all game. What, did you see a cop crumb from them early on and try your hand at lynching them?

[Not_Mafia]

lol

[Montosh]

Not Mafia here continuing his streak of contributing absolutely nothing.

[northsidegal]

Sorry, it makes perfect sense for scum!lego to pre-empt a sky cop claim in a MyLo situation. Not to mention you've been on the sky slot basically all game. What, did you see a cop crumb from them early on and try your hand at lynching them?

why does scum lego preemt a cop claim when sky paladin hadn't even hardclaimed cop and especially when none of the results that sky purported to have were on lego himself?

[Not_Mafia]

Not Mafia here continuing his streak of contributing absolutely nothing.

Except naming and calling out the scum team

[legoboyvdlp]

Answer me this then... When you read about him softclaiming Goon Cop, did you in fact notice that he'd be on V\LA from the 9th to the 12th?

I did. He essentially posted intent to claim on the 12th.

@Montosh

I don't want to rock the boat this game, so I'm not going to vote.

No waves from me, captain. Just a good lil tax-paying townie.

Baaaad

Where we going to get our information but from RVS?

Have to arrest you, maybe you are tax evading

!

@Everyone: I want mutant lynched today. If he flips Mafia it is proof enough for me that Mafia actually DID recruit their Traitor already, so the RC can actually catch the "Goon" they are assigned to catch.

So... if he flips town, what then? Do we blindly follow you to our doom? That is a serious question btw.

I'm

a little busy, but I'm monitoring the thread. Maybe I will be a bit freer after tomorrow. After the people I have staying with me leave

G

ood grief, I nearly forgot... On Sunday I'll be away all day, mostly... V/LA. On the other hand I do promise to post more after the weekend.

C

ount me out for the night, it's late.

[JaydragonKing]

... I hate weird crumbs like that.

[Not_Mafia]

I hate it when my scumbud's fake claim goes wrong too

[JaydragonKing]

Getting real tired of your Shenanigans, Not_Mafia.

[Montosh]

Uh huh. That first quote from lego is maybe a crumb, maybe not, not really definitive. So all that leaves is the second, which is sketchy. I mean, all he had to do was get two sentences to start with G and then C after the word I'm. Wouldn't be hard to crumb like that for a potential fakeclaim, or even just get lucky and have the right letter line up. You only needed three.

[northsidegal]

Uh huh. That first quote from lego is maybe a crumb, maybe not, not really definitive. So all that leaves is the second, which is sketchy. I mean, all he had to do was get two sentences to start with G and then C after the word I'm. Wouldn't be hard to crumb like that for a potential fakeclaim, or even just get lucky and have the right letter line up. You only needed three.

what reason do you have to believe sky over lego?

[JaydragonKing]

I am going V/LA for the next 72 hours. When I will return I may or may not claim cop with a guilty on NSG as crumbed here and followed up here. I may or may not also have visited Not Mafia last night.

if we're no-lynching, it is the strategically correct play to not discuss your reads.

We are not no-lynching. I will make it a 1v1 if I have to, but we are lynching today.

So please out your reads <3

And why should we trust you, North, when we have him claiming to have a guilty on you?

[Not_Mafia]

Sky's crumbs are awful and these two are making no effort to analyse Sky's crumbs, they aren't actually trying to gamesolve, they're pushing an agenda

[northsidegal]

And why should we trust you, North, when we have him claiming to have a guilty on you?

well for one he hasn't claimed a guilty on me yet – for two his claim is obviously false, and i'm waiting to see if he sticks to the fakeclaim first before dismantling it.

[Montosh]

Uh huh. That first quote from lego is maybe a crumb, maybe not, not really definitive. So all that leaves is the second, which is sketchy. I mean, all he had to do was get two sentences to start with G and then C after the word I'm. Wouldn't be hard to crumb like that for a potential fakeclaim, or even just get lucky and have the right letter line up. You only needed three.

what reason do you have to believe sky over lego?

I don't believe Sky over lego. I think the way in which Sky softclaimed before going V/LA was... weird to say the least. But it doesn't necessarily strike me as scummy.

But Lego's claim seems like an opportunistic attempt to take advantage of Sky being kinda weird. It strikes me as more suspicious.

[skitter30]

OK, the way Lego claimed was like ridiculously, blatantly obvtown. Scum just don't claim like that; they don't leave the credibility of the claim to running out of free wifi at the miami airport lol.

I do want to credit sky for having planned this since like the end of day 1 though, because his posts from day 2 really do look like they come from someone with a guilty imo.

@nsg, 1514 - you say that Sky's claim is fake because he voted TW over you. If you look at his posting history in day 2, he voted you first thing and never left you throughout day2, so I'm not sure what you mean by this. That's partly why I believed him at first because his posts kinda match a guilty.

skitter, i don't understand how you're hard townreading jay now even though your opinion back on day one when i was pushing there was that you thought he was scummy but didn't want to vote there because it would resolve itself. well, here we are in mylo and it hasn't resolved itself. we can

very, very easily

no lynch, and the situation

will

resolve itself. that's what i recognized at the start of the day and it gives me a lot of pause that you didn't think the same thing.

by the way, has jay claimed who he blocked last night?

Jay, you wanna share your results?

Honestly, I just didn't put it together until NM posted the following, at which point I realized that I had been an idiot for missing the transparently obvious. I think that scum fake-claiming in this setup seems like such ridiculously awful idea (the chance of getting cc'd is soooo high, as we see here) to me that I just didn't seriously consider the possibility, and so I didn't really think about it from that POV. And now we have at least one scum fake-claiming, possibly two.

lynching today transparently benefited scum Jay.

Sky isn't artful enough to execute a plan like this. skitter, I admittedly don't know him well.

(she)

lololol, this is something I could/would do on my homesite, but wouldn't really try to pull on this site tbh. And if I was directing lego to fake-claim ... it would be rather more meticulously planned and the credibility wouldn't depend on the miami airport's lack of free wifi.

Either scum kill me and Sky leads you to your doom or scum don't kill me and I am mislynched. So I guess either you trust me and lynch Sky or else do what is probably the right thing to do, since I am usually idiotic.

You aren't an idiot <3

Seriously, your vacation is much more important than this lol, and what's done is done; don't feel too bad about it.

So your one result is the guy we know flipped town and then you got nothing the rest of the nights? And you made a CC to a softclaim? Why? Looks like trying to pre-empt sky so you look more town.

You say you've got crumbs you can point out? By all means show what you've got.

This is really, really :/ cuz the tone just feels wrong.

Sorry, it makes perfect sense for scum!lego to pre-empt a sky cop claim in a MyLo situation. Not to mention you've been on the sky slot basically all game. What, did you see a cop crumb from them early on and try your hand at lynching them?

OK, and why are you assuming that it isn't scum!sky trying to pre-empt a PR claim in MYLO in an attempt to discredit them?

Yeah I'm not going to pick apart the rest of montosh's posts; they're really bad.

Is it bad that I kinda want to lynch montosh to force scum to shoot within the PRs or no-kill or risk making them (ie jay) look even worse?

[Montosh]

OK,

the way Lego claimed was like ridiculously, blatantly obvtown. Scum just don't claim like that

; they don't leave the credibility of the claim to running out of free wifi at the miami airport lol.

They do if they think it'll look obvtown. That's the whole point. If scum think people will interpret it the same way as you then they will claim like that.

Jay, you wanna share your results?

Honestly, I just didn't put it together until NM posted the following, at which point I realized that I had been an idiot for missing the transparently obvious. I think that scum fake-claiming in this setup seems like such ridiculously awful idea (the chance of getting cc'd is soooo high, as we see here) to me that I just didn't seriously consider the possibility, and so I didn't really think about it from that POV. And now we have at least one scum fake-claiming, possibly two.

lynching today transparently benefited scum Jay.

Sky isn't artful enough to execute a plan like this. skitter, I admittedly don't know him well.

(she)

lololol, this is something I could/would do on my homesite, but wouldn't really try to pull on this site tbh. And if I was directing lego to fake-claim ... it would be rather more meticulously planned and the credibility wouldn't depend on the miami airport's lack of free wifi.

Or maybe not. Meticulously planned can be good, but if it seems too polished and planned people can get suspicious. If it seems more natural and spur of the moment then it can reduce suspicion, which scum would want to do. Like yeah, there's a lot of WIFOM here but I don't see Lego's manner of claiming as being all that town AI.

Sorry, it makes perfect sense for scum!lego to pre-empt a sky cop claim in a MyLo situation. Not to mention you've been on the sky slot basically all game. What, did you see a cop crumb from them early on and try your hand at lynching them?

OK, and why are you assuming that it isn't scum!sky trying to pre-empt a PR claim in MYLO in an attempt to discredit them?

Yeah I'm not going to pick apart the rest of montosh's posts; they're really bad.

Is it bad that I kinda want to lynch montosh to force scum to shoot within the PRs or no-kill or risk making them (ie jay) look even worse?

I never assumed anything about Sky. We need to wait for em to come back and give some explanation for their weird softclaim post. Thing is, I can see a reason why Sky might do that as town:

They're the GC, and they're trying to get scum to make a CC and out themselves since they'd be worried sky has a guilty on them (and maybe they really do, but are trying to get associations going). Risky but I could see it happening, we didn't have very good info going into the day.

There's reasons I can see for town sky to do this, even if I wouldn't really go that route myself. But I don't see why town Lego would CC a softclaim without a guilty result, or any results on living players for that matter. But I can see panicking scum doing it.

I don't think lego is town, given that.

[Montosh]

Sky's crumbs are awful and these two are making no effort to analyse Sky's crumbs, they aren't actually trying to gamesolve, they're pushing an agenda

The crumbs they posted are pretty bad yeah. That's something I definitely need to hear from Sky on.

And for real, what agenda exactly am I trying to push? That the weird and possibly scum AI claims are... well weird and possibly scum AI?

[skitter30]

OK,

the way Lego claimed was like ridiculously, blatantly obvtown. Scum just don't claim like that

; they don't leave the credibility of the claim to running out of free wifi at the miami airport lol.

They do if they think it'll look obvtown. That's the whole point. If scum think people will interpret it the same way as you then they will claim like that.

But doing that would make it calculated. I'm townreading it *because* it was so carefree/uncalculated/spur-of-the-moment. I fundamentally don't believe that was planned, and I don't believe scum!lego pulls that unplanned.

Or maybe not. Meticulously planned can be good, but if it seems too polished and planned people can get suspicious. If it seems more natural and spur of the moment then it can reduce suspicion, which scum would want to do. Like yeah, there's a lot of WIFOM here but I don't see Lego's manner of claiming as being all that town AI.

^^^^ what I said above

I never assumed anything about Sky. We need to wait for em to come back and give some explanation for their weird softclaim post.

I mean you're shading lego's claim more than sky's 'weird' claim so unless you're positing they're both fake-claiming it seems to me like you believe sky more than lego.

Thing is, I can see a reason why Sky might do that as town:

They're the GC, and they're trying to get scum to make a CC and out themselves since they'd be worried sky has a guilty on them (and maybe they really do, but are trying to get associations going). Risky but I could see it happening, we didn't have very good info going into the day.

There's reasons I can see for town sky to do this, even if I wouldn't really go that route myself. But I don't see why town Lego would CC a softclaim without a guilty result, or any results on living players for that matter. But I can see panicking scum doing it.

I don't think lego is town, given that.

a) I don't understand the second paragraph. (ie who's 'they'?)

b) Cuz from town!lego's POV there's someone clearly angling to claim and cc him? Why wouldn't he cc? It's quite apparent that sky was planning to claim.

c) Why would scum!lego be panicking here? Sky isn't claiming a guilty on him? I don't really see the motivation for scum!lego to fake-claim here at all tbh, and definitely not like *that*

d) your post feels kinda wrong -> I just posited that I think we should lynch you and your response is to try to convince me to believe sky over lego? It feels weird.

Sky's crumbs are awful and these two are making no effort to analyse Sky's crumbs, they aren't actually trying to gamesolve, they're pushing an agenda

The crumbs they posted are pretty bad yeah. That's something I definitely need to hear from Sky on.

And for real, what agenda exactly am I trying to push? That the weird and possibly scum AI claims are... well weird and possibly scum AI?

You're pushing the agenda that lego is scum fake-claiming and you're blatantly trying to discredit him, all without solidly backing sky and just saying that his posts are 'weird'.

[JaydragonKing]

One more day before Sky appears and shit hits the fan.

And six more days till the deadline and we're all screwed.

[skitter30]

Jay, you wanna share your results?

At this point I kinda feel like you're coasting on your claim and the fact that you haven't even shared your results despite being asked several times is weird.

Also I realized that no-lynching doesn't necessarily resolve scum!Jay because they have an easy and obvious solution to the no-kill problem.

[JaydragonKing]

Who I roleblocked doesn't really matter in this situation, so I haven't brought it up. But fine.

I roleblocked Not_Mafia because of that weird hammer.

[JaydragonKing]

Jay, you wanna share your results?

At this point I kinda feel like you're coasting on your claim and the fact that you haven't even shared your results despite being asked several times is weird.

Also I realized that no-lynching doesn't necessarily resolve scum!Jay because they have an easy and obvious solution to the no-kill problem.

By the bottom line I assume you me scum!Me could literally claim I roleblocked someone for them to be lynched, right?

[skitter30]

OK, if you're town, NM didn't kill last night, but I'm kinda doubting that you're town or that the claim is real at this point tbh. What I'm having trouble with is that this would imply that scum fake-claimed twice ..... and I think that fake-claiming once in this setup is a bad idea, and fake-claiming twice is an *incredibly* bad idea, so it's honestly kind of mind-boggling to me that scum decided to do that.