Team Mafia 2018: Inventions Mafia Day 4

[Smocaine]

I can't doc myself tho

[singersigner]

elect: BigYoshiFan
vote: Ghostlin

I feel very strongly that if all of Aneninen, Ghostlin, GuiltyLion, and Errant die, we will win.

[Creature]

also we should win on today's lynch

If we lynch scum, and it's not what we're doing rn.

[Creature]

Leaning on Aneninen being scum.

[Aneninen]

vote: GL

. This has passed the second round of focus testing. Make it so.

What's your case? Why do you think he's scummier than Ghostlin?

Guessing the nightkills weren't because they were correct, but rather just scum getting rid of the loudmouths.

Erm, getting rid of the active players is not essentially good for the scum. An active one constantly misreading others can help the scum a lot, for example.

I don't see the doc getting nk'd, at least the odds seem the same as any other townie. they obviously use it tonight, right?

That's why we should elect someone who's

in

our lynch-pool. I mean, the scum can Nightkill the Doc but remove a possible mislynch at the same time. (Assuming we don't give the Doc to the scum.)

elect: BigYoshiFan
vote: Ghostlin

I feel very strongly that if all of Aneninen, Ghostlin, GuiltyLion, and Errant die, we will win.

And if not, it's LyLo. We might have a chance for a MyLo with 4 players if we elect someone on that list (but not Ghostlin). Either the scum shoot a lynchable player or the Doc could have a chance for stopping a Nightkill. The question is (for which I don't know the answer), will it hurt us if we give the Doc to the scum him/herself? If not (which my guess is), ErrantParabola's a better idea. (Or GuiltyLion, or me.)

also we should win on today's lynch

If we lynch scum, and it's not what we're doing rn.

How do you know that?

Leaning on Aneninen being scum.

Could you summarize your case?

[Aneninen]

Mod

, as far as I know I'm allowed to create a post like this. According to this, I'm not violating anything.

Since the game's stalled, I've examined the general activity of other players.

Spoiler:

Creature – relatively active elsewhere, post-gap here.
Singersinger – not a single post anywhere else.
Smocaine – not a single post anywhere else.
Vonflare – active all-around, but not as passive here as well.
Something_Smart – similar amount of posts elswhere as here.
Ghostlin – active elsewhere, almost nothing here.
BigYoshiFan – general inactivity.
ErrantParabola – active elsewhere, almost nothing here.
GuiltyLion – active elsewhere, almost nothing here.

Unfortunately, the same names have some activity anomaly as the ones are in my lynch-pool (with the possible exception of Creature, but he shows smaller anomaly).

[Something_Smart]

Mod: Does Ghostlin's vengeful last until he dies, or does it need to be used today?

Probably the former but it said somewhere that inventions had to be used the next night...

[beeboy]

Mod: Does Ghostlin's vengeful last until he dies, or does it need to be used today?

Probably the former but it said somewhere that inventions had to be used the next night...

The former is correct, inventions do not need to be used the next night.

[GuiltyLion]

will get to this in 4 hours!

[GuiltyLion]

been prioritizing my IC game with my limited mafia time this weekend

[BigYoshiFan]

Hi. Are we electing me because you trust me or because you don't?

Elect BigYoshiFan

VOTE: Ghostlin

[Something_Smart]

Both.

[BigYoshiFan]

Sick.

[singersigner]

@Aneninen...apathy is also very good for scum if they're not wishing to stand out for lack of activity. It means they have to expend less energy and are less likely to get caught by not being pressured to post.

[Errantparabola]

Elect: BigYoshiFan

no mental energy. i've a midterm this evening. see you after it.

[GuiltyLion]

why these 2?

which one in particular?

I think they're both pretty obvtown. I'd probably prefer Smocaine as I think he's a harder mislynch for scum to push

[GuiltyLion]

The difference is huge. You actually made suggestions whom the Doctor should protect. If the Doctor reveals his target in advance, that helps the scum in choosing the Nightkill.

I think scum is pretty screwed at this point and we might as well just agree on who's most important to keep someone alive with the doc protect. If scum don't kill the elected doc tonight then that limits them even further. And the point of having a named target is that if scum gets elected the doc, then they can't NK that target without incriminating themselves. If the doctor's protection is ambiguous, then if scum gets the doc they can kill anybody and lie and say they protected somebody else

What specifically does scum!GL gain out of advocating to protect Smocaine or Creature?

[GuiltyLion]

I feel very strongly that if all of Aneninen

, Ghostlin, GuiltyLion, and Errant

die, we will win.

basically same, but this

VOTE: Aneninen

BYF who would you doc here if you receive it? or are you of the "let's not decide publicly on doc protect" camp?

[BigYoshiFan]

I'd probably protect Smocaine.

I'm particularly against protecting Ghostlin (duh), Vonflare, Aneninen, and GL. I think everyone else is pretty town.

[GuiltyLion]

good enough for me

elect BYF

[Something_Smart]

I'd rather you protect Creature than Smocaine, if you're going to announce it.

[singersigner]

I feel very strongly that if all of Aneninen

, Ghostlin, GuiltyLion, and Errant

die, we will win.

basically same, but this

VOTE: Aneninen

BYF who would you doc here if you receive it? or are you of the "let's not decide publicly on doc protect" camp?

1. Did I miss where you went down the Aneninen-scum rabbit hole somewhere?
2. Why do you make not publicly announcing it sound like a bad thing?

[singersigner]

@Ghostlin

- who do you currently want to venge?

Since the doctor can't self-target, I think we should elect a scummier player and make them promise to protect Smocaine or Creature.

I'm actually thinking now that Anenien is the last scum. The way he formulaically stuck to his "scum didn't bus Mastina" gamestate view on D2 and shaded my slot throughout while still pushing Ghostlin - essentially putting us on the same tier - feels like scum that needs a bunch of mislynches. Add in the repeated "I shouldn't live until LYLO" mantra for WIFOM, his reluctance to conftown the Smocaine slot (also saying that the slot shouldn't be alive in LYLO?), and his general "lynchpool" approach and it doesn't feel to me like genuine sorting, more like trying to establish a favorable chain of lynches and encourage town infighting.

@Anen - can you break down why you keep saying Smocaine shouldn't be alive in LYLO? what difference does it make lynching him earlier rather than later, and isn't that dependent on his alignment? What is gained by lynching him at 5p rather than 3p?

Found it.

Obviously om confbiasing it but it's kinda meh?

[Aneninen]

Hi. Are we electing me because you trust me or because you don't?

Elect BigYoshiFan

VOTE: Ghostlin

Both.

Explain, please.

I think scum is pretty screwed at this point and we might as well just agree on who's most important to keep someone alive with the doc protect. If scum don't kill the elected doc tonight then that limits them even further. And the point of having a named target is that if scum gets elected the doc, then they can't NK that target without incriminating themselves. If the doctor's protection is ambiguous, then if scum gets the doc they can kill anybody and lie and say they protected somebody else

That doesn't make much sense to me.
My logic is the following:
if we elect a scummy-looking player as the Doc who does not tell us their target, the scum has two choices. Either he/she Nightkills the Doc, which means (from their point of view) a lynchable player is out of the game. If he/she targets anyone else, there's a chance that the Doc's protection stops the Nightkill and the scum end up not performing the kill. (That's a kind of counter-WIFOM: if the scum targets the most townish player the chance for the Doc targetting the same person is high. So the scum could Nightkill the

second

most townish one to avoid the Doc... unless the Doc does the same, in which case...)
If we "manage" to elect the scum as the Doc, there will be a non-informative Nightkill, I guess. Which is worse, but I don't consider it a tragedy.

If we follow your logic, there

will

be a Nightkill, and whoever the Doc protects, the scum can go after them next Night. (Unless they get lynched.) If we elect a town-looking player as the Doc, the scum will simply Nightkill him. (If not, there will be a WIFOM, I think.)

What specifically does scum!GL gain out of advocating to protect Smocaine or Creature?

Having the piece of information whom you must not try to Nightkill.

I'd probably protect Smocaine.
I'm particularly against protecting Ghostlin (duh), Vonflare, Aneninen, and GL. I think everyone else is pretty town.

good enough for me

elect BYF

And this is another thing from GuiltyLion which makes no sence from the town point of view. See above; he wanted to know whom the Doc will protect – and got it.

I'd rather you protect Creature than Smocaine, if you're going to announce it.

Alternatively, toss a coin at Night.
But I still don't think it's a good idea to elect BigYoshiFan. We should go fore a scummier player; see above.

[Something_Smart]

I don't think BYF is scum, but I also don't think he's likely to die at night.