Team Mafia 2018: Inventions Mafia Day 4
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If we lynch scum, and it's not what we're doing rn.In post 3623, Smocaine wrote:also we should win on today's lynchSigh-
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What's your case? Why do you think he's scummier than Ghostlin?In post 3616, Smocaine wrote:vote: GL. This has passed the second round of focus testing. Make it so.
Erm, getting rid of the active players is not essentially good for the scum. An active one constantly misreading others can help the scum a lot, for example.In post 3619, Creature wrote:Guessing the nightkills weren't because they were correct, but rather just scum getting rid of the loudmouths.
That's why we should elect someone who'sIn post 3624, vonflare wrote:I don't see the doc getting nk'd, at least the odds seem the same as any other townie. they obviously use it tonight, right?inour lynch-pool. I mean, the scum can Nightkill the Doc but remove a possible mislynch at the same time. (Assuming we don't give the Doc to the scum.)
And if not, it's LyLo. We might have a chance for a MyLo with 4 players if we elect someone on that list (but not Ghostlin). Either the scum shoot a lynchable player or the Doc could have a chance for stopping a Nightkill. The question is (for which I don't know the answer), will it hurt us if we give the Doc to the scum him/herself? If not (which my guess is), ErrantParabola's a better idea. (Or GuiltyLion, or me.)In post 3626, singersigner wrote:elect: BigYoshiFan
vote: Ghostlin
I feel very strongly that if all of Aneninen, Ghostlin, GuiltyLion, and Errant die, we will win.
How do you know that?In post 3627, Creature wrote:
If we lynch scum, and it's not what we're doing rn.In post 3623, Smocaine wrote:also we should win on today's lynch
Could you summarize your case?In post 3628, Creature wrote:Leaning on Aneninen being scum.-
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Mod, as far as I know I'm allowed to create a post like this. According to this, I'm not violating anything.
Since the game's stalled, I've examined the general activity of other players.
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In post 3631, Something_Smart wrote:Mod: Does Ghostlin's vengeful last until he dies, or does it need to be used today?
Probably the former but it said somewhere that inventions had to be used the next night...
The former is correct, inventions do not need to be used the next night.ah yes, beeboy style reads;
if this person flips town, then i'll townread them. - Nahdia-
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been prioritizing my IC game with my limited mafia time this weekend"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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Elect: BigYoshiFan
no mental energy. i've a midterm this evening. see you after it.did another ms user do something lovely? recognize their achievements here!
Today's modern mafia consumer demands dozens, nay, hundreds of roles that are vanilla cops.--implosion
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I think they're both pretty obvtown. I'd probably prefer Smocaine as I think he's a harder mislynch for scum to push
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I think scum is pretty screwed at this point and we might as well just agree on who's most important to keep someone alive with the doc protect. If scum don't kill the elected doc tonight then that limits them even further. And the point of having a named target is that if scum gets elected the doc, then they can't NK that target without incriminating themselves. If the doctor's protection is ambiguous, then if scum gets the doc they can kill anybody and lie and say they protected somebody elseIn post 3600, Aneninen wrote:The difference is huge. You actually made suggestions whom the Doctor should protect. If the Doctor reveals his target in advance, that helps the scum in choosing the Nightkill.
What specifically does scum!GL gain out of advocating to protect Smocaine or Creature?"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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basically same, but thisIn post 3626, singersigner wrote:I feel very strongly that if all of Aneninen, Ghostlin, GuiltyLion, and Errantdie, we will win.
VOTE: Aneninen
BYF who would you doc here if you receive it? or are you of the "let's not decide publicly on doc protect" camp?"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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1. Did I miss where you went down the Aneninen-scum rabbit hole somewhere?In post 3642, GuiltyLion wrote:
basically same, but thisIn post 3626, singersigner wrote:I feel very strongly that if all of Aneninen, Ghostlin, GuiltyLion, and Errantdie, we will win.
VOTE: Aneninen
BYF who would you doc here if you receive it? or are you of the "let's not decide publicly on doc protect" camp?
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Found it.In post 3590, GuiltyLion wrote:@Ghostlin- who do you currently want to venge?
Since the doctor can't self-target, I think we should elect a scummier player and make them promise to protect Smocaine or Creature.
I'm actually thinking now that Anenien is the last scum. The way he formulaically stuck to his "scum didn't bus Mastina" gamestate view on D2 and shaded my slot throughout while still pushing Ghostlin - essentially putting us on the same tier - feels like scum that needs a bunch of mislynches. Add in the repeated "I shouldn't live until LYLO" mantra for WIFOM, his reluctance to conftown the Smocaine slot (also saying that the slot shouldn't be alive in LYLO?), and his general "lynchpool" approach and it doesn't feel to me like genuine sorting, more like trying to establish a favorable chain of lynches and encourage town infighting.
@Anen - can you break down why you keep saying Smocaine shouldn't be alive in LYLO? what difference does it make lynching him earlier rather than later, and isn't that dependent on his alignment? What is gained by lynching him at 5p rather than 3p?
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In post 3635, BigYoshiFan wrote:Hi. Are we electing me because you trust me or because you don't?
Elect BigYoshiFan
VOTE: Ghostlin
Explain, please.In post 3636, Something_Smart wrote:Both.
That doesn't make much sense to me.In post 3641, GuiltyLion wrote:I think scum is pretty screwed at this point and we might as well just agree on who's most important to keep someone alive with the doc protect. If scum don't kill the elected doc tonight then that limits them even further. And the point of having a named target is that if scum gets elected the doc, then they can't NK that target without incriminating themselves. If the doctor's protection is ambiguous, then if scum gets the doc they can kill anybody and lie and say they protected somebody else
My logic is the following:
if we elect a scummy-looking player as the Doc who does not tell us their target, the scum has two choices. Either he/she Nightkills the Doc, which means (from their point of view) a lynchable player is out of the game. If he/she targets anyone else, there's a chance that the Doc's protection stops the Nightkill and the scum end up not performing the kill. (That's a kind of counter-WIFOM: if the scum targets the most townish player the chance for the Doc targetting the same person is high. So the scum could Nightkill thesecondmost townish one to avoid the Doc... unless the Doc does the same, in which case...)
If we "manage" to elect the scum as the Doc, there will be a non-informative Nightkill, I guess. Which is worse, but I don't consider it a tragedy.
If we follow your logic, therewillbe a Nightkill, and whoever the Doc protects, the scum can go after them next Night. (Unless they get lynched.) If we elect a town-looking player as the Doc, the scum will simply Nightkill him. (If not, there will be a WIFOM, I think.)
Having the piece of information whom you must not try to Nightkill.In post 3641, GuiltyLion wrote: What specifically does scum!GL gain out of advocating to protect Smocaine or Creature?
In post 3643, BigYoshiFan wrote:I'd probably protect Smocaine.
I'm particularly against protecting Ghostlin (duh), Vonflare, Aneninen, and GL. I think everyone else is pretty town.And this is another thing from GuiltyLion which makes no sence from the town point of view. See above; he wanted to know whom the Doc will protect – and got it.
Alternatively, toss a coin at Night.In post 3645, Something_Smart wrote:I'd rather you protect Creature than Smocaine, if you're going to announce it.
But I still don't think it's a good idea to elect BigYoshiFan. We should go fore a scummier player; see above.-
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