Valentine's Dance - [GAME OVER]

[Antihero]

fuck



me

[Antihero]

haven't read anything yet so i'll do that and comment in a few hours

predance should focus on getting the most all town pairings as possible

one thing i think we should agree to do is NOT USE THE SUICIDE MECHANIC. all town pairs getting paranoid and suiciding is why i think scum win these setups so frequently. once we start dancing i think it's best if lynching is the only way ppl die

[Antihero]

I care that you're spamming and being obnoxious about it.

I’ve heard stories of you being a spam fuck back in the day.
Did someone lie to me or u a hypocrite?

"spam fuck" back then =/ "spam fuck" now

[Antihero]

I care that you're spamming and being obnoxious about it.

I’ve heard stories of you being a spam fuck back in the day.
Did someone lie to me or u a hypocrite?

"spam fuck" back then =/ "spam fuck" now

*i also have never thought of reck as a chronic shitposter so if you're trying to ding him on hypocrisy that's p weak

why is beeboy town?

[Antihero]

Dunn is town for going after Ali where he did.

:/

i would hardly call that "going after"

[Antihero]

the scum kill is not in my control. not even going to try.

still haven't made a real attempt at reading ladies, ven and ko still need to post on gentleman side

[Antihero]

either spoil or pare long quotes plz tia

[Antihero]

Anti do you mind if me and Joey get together?

is joey the towniest of the unpaired gentlemen?

[Antihero]

with VERY few exceptions i think "i can read [certain person]" assertions are mostly bullshit

pairing w someone w some vague notion of a SOOPERDOOPER ACCURATE read magically forming later in the game doesn't seem plausible to me

[Antihero]

1) I feel like I can read him 2) I think me and him could work really well together if we're able to put our minds together as town

you can do both these things wo being in a pair w him

have you already decided joey is not the scummiest gentleman?

[Antihero]

with VERY few exceptions i think "i can read [certain person]" assertions are mostly bullshit

pairing w someone w some vague notion of a SOOPERDOOPER ACCURATE read magically forming later in the game doesn't seem plausible to me

I'm working on the assumption that Elli and CK will accurately sort each other out.

have either of them loudly professed a perfect ability to read the other

[Antihero]

On a regular basis. More importantly, I'm think they're irl friends.

ok whatever they're already a done deal so not going to get sidetracked on that

[Antihero]

with VERY few exceptions i think "i can read [certain person]" assertions are mostly bullshit

pairing w someone w some vague notion of a SOOPERDOOPER ACCURATE read magically forming later in the game doesn't seem plausible to me

I'm working on the assumption that Elli and CK will accurately sort each other out.

have either of them loudly professed a perfect ability to read the other

lol

i just tend to think the louder ppl are about their MAGIC POWER SOULREADS the less accurate they actually are

i'm also a jaded bastard that thinks true friendship and unconditional love are cruel myths so... take my grouchiness w a grain of salt i guess

[Antihero]

alisae's attack on reck felt weak and opportunistic, and their prompt, spineless backpedal and backdown to reck's refutation reveals how poorly founded and weak their attack was on reck. giving this anime weeb +10 poop points

Villagery

jeez, rly?

i feel rusty

[Antihero]

I want anti to pair up with that monkey

err... who?

[Antihero]

how familiar are you w reck, venmar?

[Antihero]

nah beeboy, fire's gonna have to do a little better than that if he wants to leave pre-dance

i'll take a quick proposal from Shiro as a scumbuddy claim

[Antihero]

ok fire can dance

[Antihero]

who are the unpaired ladies left?

[Antihero]

ok fire can dance

Ur not my real dad

ok i set you up perfectly for a safety dance joke and you go w "not my real dad"?

get ur head in the game

[Antihero]

No?

^this

kagami is getting a townier partner than ven

[Antihero]

kagami is getting a townier partner than ven

why are you trying to doom a townier person

bc i'm a bitch

[Antihero]

For what it's worth, Anti you should 100% be trying to be with your scumread.

...why...?

i'm not going to kite scum into killing themselves, it's just not happening

[Antihero]

Head to head
Kokichi
Harambey

Who do you guys take?

This is a great example of a false dichotomy as there are plenty of other options.

Do you really think that Reckoner ever takes Kokichi over Venmar?

i mean....

i kinda would if i were him

[Antihero]

Does the size of my page 25 townlist make you uncomfortable?

Wait until you see the size of my PENIS

kinda wondering why dunn's on there

other than that, prob good

[Antihero]

you wanted me to say something to this?.....

haven't read anything yet so i'll do that and comment in a few hours

predance should focus on getting the most all town pairings as possible

one thing i think we should agree to do is NOT USE THE SUICIDE MECHANIC. all town pairs getting paranoid and suiciding is why i think scum win these setups so frequently. once we start dancing i think it's best if lynching is the only way ppl die

From my experience playing in this setup, you should try to lead the town

I've seen ic's purposely not contribute because they don't want to be nightkilled, or they don't want to influence people's decisions, it's better to just town lead while you're alive

[Antihero]

what are you bellyaching about now?

[Antihero]

Dunn's scumgame is ass

errr...

i've only seen it once but i thought it was average (neither remarkably good or bad)

maybe i'm just ass?

[Antihero]

you wanted me to say something to this?.....

haven't read anything yet so i'll do that and comment in a few hours

predance should focus on getting the most all town pairings as possible

one thing i think we should agree to do is NOT USE THE SUICIDE MECHANIC. all town pairs getting paranoid and suiciding is why i think scum win these setups so frequently. once we start dancing i think it's best if lynching is the only way ppl die

From my experience playing in this setup, you should try to lead the town

I've seen ic's purposely not contribute because they don't want to be nightkilled, or they don't want to influence people's decisions, it's better to just town lead while you're alive

Do you disagree with what I'm saying here?

uh... no?

[Antihero]

i think.... i want to take reck

unless someone can explain why taking someone scummy is optimal

even then i don't think any of the remaining unpaired ladies are particularly scummy. i guess if i had to pick i'd say ali is probably the least town out of them...?

[Antihero]

kagami, who do you think i should take? have any opinions on what strategy i should be employing here?

[Antihero]

gdi

who's unpaired still?

[Antihero]

You probably shouldn't do that. Beeboy's a scumlord

more than ven?

i'm pretty sure i want ven left out

i feel like the ali case was oversold to buddy up to unpaired reck Post 312

and i think the kokichi case is oversold now Post 428

i also feel like the "reck or bust" thing is kinda posturey

[Antihero]

Antihero, if you're with scum, then they are forced to kill you or keep a clear alive for the rest of us. Since you're clear, we are all going to be looking for your reads regardless. If you're with town, mafia can just kill you.

well if they pair w me they're keeping me alive. that's not even a question (unless they're gamethrowing). and if that's the case then i HAVE to suicide in order for town to win anyway so idk what the "keep confirmed town alive" is good for

they... could also keep me alive w town if they thought i'd suicide

idg what the net gain is here for me to pair w scum

i'm just going to pair w someone who i'd like to share a PT with (which... tbh is rly any of them; so far i like where reck's head is at and maybe kagami)

[Antihero]

So you rather anti just go with someone towny who dies at intermission?

yeah...

the alternative is i'm stuck WIFOMing with a question mark (is my partner scum or are scum just hoping i suicide)

[Antihero]

you think venmar is town, reck?

[Antihero]

oh fire.......

you were starting to do well

[Antihero]

i mean at least that way we still have a conftown on the board and can piece it out from there as opposed to just losing conftown

elli/chess are good but they're way overconfident that their presence is more powerful than a literal mod confirmed town

individually my life rly isn't worth more than any other townie

it's not individual townies that matter, it's all-town PAIRS. i'm thinking pairing me w someone null or scummy makes my conftown a wash

am i wrong?

[Antihero]

ALI

glad you're here

i will read your case on maki later. task at hand rn is leaving someone out. who do you think it should be?

[Antihero]

/sigh

...

i kinda want to let reck-venmar happen

kagami, dance?

[Antihero]

Spoiler:

Here's why I fos Venmar

I want you to tell me how that's opportunistic.

i think most weak pushes are inherently also a tadbit opportunistic; you see something to throw shit at, and you see what sticks. people aren't opportunistic against people they can make strong cases for.

will not accept "i was weeding out his alignment with a weak attack" as a valid answer. +3 poopy points

pairing with me just so you have a killswitch on me is also flawed town play at best i think. happy to refuse a proposal from you at this stage.

Pedit: can you stop posting anime pictures of yourself thanks

I actually kind of feel like its really easy for him to take this stance against me.
Like, I don't believe its a read that had thought put behind it, it kinda feels agenda based.

--

shortlist of people to leave behind:

kokichi
harambay

this has been venny thank you very much for your attention

Here these reads are just opportunistic and garbage. Harmabey is new and is really obvious town.
Kokichi is extremely lynchable and is an easy push.

--

ftr kokichi is scum because he's had #32+ posts already and i think

they're all either defensive, questions aimed at looking like he's contributing, or fluff. there seems to be a heavy emphasis on beetlejuicing and defending himself, clarifying meta, and asking people questions rather than instigating contribution himself. he's made a couple contributions, but his reactions to scrutiny and criticism, primarily, is what twists my poop the most right now and i'm not convinced this is town play as of right now.

also #293, #332, #342, 404 (!!) are scumposts

I hate this post a lot.
Venmar is using a lot of things like the bolded. I don't feel like Venmar is trying to have a right read here. I feel like he's trying to present a read that is ironclad in reasoning.
Let's talk about the posts he pointed out.
293 - Somewhat valid question that is easy to attack.
332 - I fail to understand why the post is bad.
342 - Not alignment indicative.
404 - The only thing that's wrong about this post is that he thinks he's a 7 when he's actually a 1 and that he has correct reads. Besides that, and for the most part, the post seems truthful. And at worst, the post is NAI.

dammit now i want venmar to get left out again. ali articulated what i was thinking a lot better than i could

[Antihero]

reck

would you be mad if i accepted your offer and venmar ended up getting left out?

[Antihero]

OH

FUCK

ME

[Antihero]

Kokichi shouldn’t get paired

i.... can't say i disagree

[Antihero]

i don't have much hope for any of the unpaired gentlemen being scum

[Antihero]

What is the benefit from Anti pairing with a townread?

to have an all-town couple

[Antihero]

What is the benefit from Anti pairing with a townread?

to have an all-town couple

That dies N1? Great.

an all-town couple's going to die n1 regardless of who i pair with

what are you complaining about?

[Antihero]

Like, are you scared of being alive and just want to die? I don't understand. Someone explain what the point of out only clear dying early is?

because individual townies

don't matter

. town PAIRS matter. if i'm with a scumbag it doesn't matter if i'm confirmed or not, i have to die.

i see you gamma, thinking....

[Antihero]

gamma, your posting is alright but i still don't have a great read on you mostly bc i don't rly get where your reads (like on beeboy) are coming from

a few scattered things are vaguely town tho...?

[Antihero]

I CAN READ

MY GLASSES ARE ALSO JUST FINE I DON'T NEED AN EYE EXAM

YES, I AM AMENABLE TO KAGAMI

GAMMA MIGHT ALSO BE OK

YOU I DON'T HAVE A READ ON SINCE YOU JUST HAVE NAKED READS THAT ARE SOMEWHAT QUESTIONABLE

[Antihero]

ASK WHO YOU WANT, SHEEP

I

LOVE

SHOUTING

[Antihero]

Antihero am I scum yet for u

not rly. only thing that concerns me about you so far is you "not knowing" i'm IC bc i could see you pulling that shit as scum.

your reads are good enough tho rn

[Antihero]

gamma, your posting is alright but i still don't have a great read on you mostly bc i don't rly get where your reads (like on beeboy) are coming from

a few scattered things are vaguely town tho...?

Can you list the reads you don't get
As for beeboy it was because his post about possible pairing showed a bit to much concern about pairings, but his main concern was actually not being bombed out of the gate and he wanted to pair with a townread, so I was able to see the thought process and how it resulted in him choosing sheep

why would scum be more concerned about pairings than town? idgi

aaaaand, now that i'm looking i think your only hard reads are beeboy being scum and chess being town neither of which i really sympathize with. so ... those. along with any others you haven't mentioned at this point.

[Antihero]

@anti, best strat, imo, is to pair with the weakest but transparently town player.

so.... you or gamma?

i'd take either

[Antihero]

gosh anti is such a trash person to have to have as your IC

why? because i'm scumreading you?

[Antihero]

-____-

I'm neither weak nor transparently town, that was more of an answer to the theoretical question you had asked a while back.

I still think it's a fun pairing, and has the side benefit of continuing my streak~

wasn't rly implying you were weak. i was refocusing you to current task. X_X

[Antihero]

just goes to show how anti as the IC is sitting on his hands.

cool discredit

you and reck can go first

[Antihero]

accept kagami

ok

[Antihero]

ali you better not make an ass out of me and end up being scum

[Antihero]

cool discredit

you and reck can go first

i think someone is upset that he isn't being taken for granted. not trying to discredit you i just want you to be more useful

pedit: lots of stuff w/e my stuff stands

elaborate

[Antihero]

ehhhh I would preferred Gamma oh well.

WHATEVER

everyone's a critic and no one's ever happy

[Antihero]

ehhhh I would preferred Gamma oh well.

WHATEVER

everyone's a critic and no one's ever happy

besides, if you think hamarabi and gamma are both town, that's a town-town pair. what are you complaining about?

[Antihero]

your apathy with pairings was frustrating

screw.

you.

beyond my control. i said i wanted you out and reck popped in and asked you anyway and you accepted ALL COMPLETELY AGAINST MY INPUT

SCREW

SCREW

SCREW

YOU

[Antihero]

also if you think this is me attacking/discrediting an ic, and that that is worth for me to pursue for any reason other than to allow me to work better with you by opening dialogue, then im sorry you view it that way.

the pairs kind of are what they are. i was mostly trying to leave out scum predance but that was impossible bc ppl didn't care what i had to say anyway (want proof of that? go see what joey said in response when i said "no suiciding")

gamma, plz take hamarabi. on the upside, you're probably an all town pair. unless he's getting coached in the scum PT i think he's oozing town and it makes the other guy is a better leave-out choice.

once the dance starts and the bullets start flying i think i'll get a better feel of kagami.

again

NO IMPULSIVE SUICIDES THAT'S HOW SCUM WIN THIS SETUP

[Antihero]

you fucking useless trash.

yeah i don't like you either

feelings mutual

[Antihero]

Anti do you really think varner is scum or are you bias

we'll see in a few hours

[Antihero]

Anti is someone you can do that to easily as scum and get away with it tbh

this. scum escalating a fight to get it written off as TvT is a thing. see: kuroi in accounting mafia

townread ven, fine. just don't townread him for that.

[Antihero]

Every time Harambe opens his mouth he needs to die but no chesskid restrain yourself others need death more

Hey bee are you scared of getting machined all over.

i thought the flow of his early to mid-early game was a little awkward. other than that i have no notable feelings for beeboy

what's wrong w beeboy?

[Antihero]

just goes to show how anti as the IC is sitting on his hands.

cool discredit

you and reck can go first

babe dont hurt me like this

Some people can't tell if they're bias but ay worth a shot

i think ven going out of his way to be an enormous prick to me when i haven't done anything to him up to that point but scumread him could very well be a scum tactic (and... honestly, at this point i HOPE it is)

BUT OK, for the sake of avoiding the "bias" discussion (which... i don't think is applicable since i didn't have an opinion on the guy up until this morning while i've had a scumread on him for longer), i'll throw that all out and call it null

initially my problem w venmar was from:

>taking reck's "side" in the initial ali-reck exchange in the early page 10s. i don't see any reason to think ali's engagement in reck's readslist was in bad faith and it seems like ven is just slapping a WEAK ATTACK label on it to push ali being scummy when that narrative doesn't really fit. (why would scum!ven do that? to buddy up to reck and get him to pair. KEEPING IN MIND, it all comes AFTER reck shows he wants to pair with me or him - also in post 240)
at the time, i thought it was kinda weird to hand reck a townread like that bc while 240 shows reck is competent, i think it's pretty well within his scum range to make all the observations that post contains.

>392 and 428:
the everything-but-the-kitchen-sink press on kokichi [with 1 maybe bad looking post and 3 shrugworthy posts thrown in] feels like overkill and the aggression behind it didn't feel justified given the strength of the case

RECK

word noises from you on why venmar is town would help

i'm now going to go read ali's case on maki

[Antihero]

Scum use there factional with less info?

what the fuck does that even mean?

[Antihero]

it's ok beeboy i have plenty of bad ideas

had 5 of them today. pretty slow day overall

[Antihero]

It's like Venmar has terrible reads and only pushed town.
Wow
What a surprise.

Lol

tell your phone that "Lol" is not a complete sentence so you don't have to capitalize the first letter

also, let's gossip about the juicy things shiro tells you in your PT sometime

[Antihero]

when did you start thinking maki is town...?

[Antihero]

There's also some posts in her interactions that I like.

i never thought any of maki's posts were problematic except maybe these:

Like we can agree suiciding is bad unless it comes down to deadline timer like it did last time
but that's not how scum is gonna win this set up
Anti do you really think varner is scum or are you bias

Some people can't tell if they're bias but ay worth a shot

i really don't care for the way she's trying to discredit the older scumread off of the interpersonal problem that JUST appeared. i would only go back and worry about that if venmar actually did flip scum tho

you seemed pretty adamant about her being scum not that long ago, i just read your case

[Antihero]

will point out: people hard voting and pushing me atm are people i've criticised or scumread. *SHOCKER*

i scumread you before you insulted me

not gonna fly

[Antihero]

i scumread you before you insulted me

not gonna fly

i did say i didn't like you as an ic, but i wouldn't call that as an attack and I do recall you insulted me yourself before i told you you were "trash". i don't snap at people for no reason

no don't pull that thread

you didn't make any good faith effort to try to get anything out of me as an IC you just launched into "sitting on hands" and "gosh anti is such a trash person to have to have as your IC"

act like a dick all you want but own it. don't insult my intelligence by saying you weren't really poking me in the eye with that

[Antihero]

His emotion would need to be fake for that to be the case and it doesn't feel fake to me.

his emotion would not need to be fake he can genuinely not like me as either alignment

i am looking forward to the chess thunderdome

[Antihero]

Dunn is prob scum btw
just thought everyone should know

why do you say that?

i kind of sort of thought so earlier but i went lukewarm on it

[Antihero]

hm..... how long is your PT, maki?

if dunn is posting a lot in your PT and not posting here that is a little disconcerting

[Antihero]

hm..... how long is your PT, maki?

if dunn is posting a lot in your PT and not posting here that is a little disconcerting

Dunn was mostly in the PT last round of this
He was Town then

well i guess i'll go back to not thinking about him then

chesskid, i hope you know i'm getting my hopes up sky high for your beeboy case. i'm brewing a pot of coffee and baking a lemon cake in anticipation

[Antihero]

so elli just informed me that beeboy isn't in this to play mafia and is nust here to meme?

which explains his ignoring of other slots which is why im scumreading him.

so ill move that dank vote later and ignore him but I'm ofc down for a PL

missed that...

anticipation moves from "beeboy case" to "dank vote"

[Antihero]

gdi ali what did i say about impulsive suicides?

[Antihero]

I haven't seen any scum motivation in any action varner is done this game. He's like my 2nd top tr after Joey I really don't get it. If he was scum going for anti hero the emotion has to be fake cause he shouldn't care if anti sr's him cause it's correct and the emotion feels genuine
varner vs Alisae doesn't feel scum v scum either and Alisae is scum so. Like I don't want varner lynched and I will fight you on that.

the emotion can very much be real regardless of ven's alignment

you've never seen scum frustrated at getting caught before?

not putting any stock in it

[Antihero]

I haven't seen any scum motivation in any action varner is done this game. He's like my 2nd top tr after Joey I really don't get it. If he was scum going for anti hero the emotion has to be fake cause he shouldn't care if anti sr's him cause it's correct and the emotion feels genuine
varner vs Alisae doesn't feel scum v scum either and Alisae is scum so. Like I don't want varner lynched and I will fight you on that.

also

how is joey a top town read?

[Antihero]

Ech anyone getting LAMIST vibes from this?

NO SIR

HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT LOOK LAMIST AT ALL SIR

because the guy who ven has been insisting was scum just left the game

how is that bad for mental health, idgi?

[Antihero]

i kind of want everyone to calm down and step away and let these people weigh in:

reck
chesskid
kagami

can we do that or no? (i understand if spammers still want to go at it)

[Antihero]

Chesskid let's say we are TvT who do you want to die?

Firebringer - Shiro [0] -
Venmar - xRECKONERx [0] -

cool! i think i might agree

why?

[Antihero]

oh also, how's the elli read coming? is he town, scum, need more data...?

pedit: @chesskid

[Antihero]

why?

they're shit and others aren't shit?

PoE, ok

chesskid3 - Ellibereth
[you just said you think elli is town - meta]
Dunnstral - Maki Harukawa
[you think maki's town? i'm unconvinced if you wanna take a shot at talking me into a maki townread]
beeboy - sheepsaysmeep
[beeboy is ok but sheep's kinda giving me bad vibes lately]
Antihero - Kagami
[will get back w you on kagami, cautiously optimistic]
Harambey180 - Gamma Emerald
[proooobably town-town...? if i had to bet the game RIGHT NOW on an all-town couple this would be it]

[Antihero]

[proooobably town-town...? if i had to bet the game RIGHT NOW on an all-town couple this would be it]

this is bad they're my 3rd choice lynch with outside shot of [redacted]

oooh a secret scumread...

i do agree w you on the top two couples to lynch so there's that

[Antihero]

fire, do you have any reason for townreading shiro bc this:

let's gossip about the juicy things shiro tells you in your PT sometime

Ah, scandalous, private matter are private.

As for an update I still haven't managed to find the time to read the game and there is a chance I won't find the time tomorrow because after work I have a DnD session and the day after that I have to go to a birthday party.
I will attempt to read most if not everything during work though, just...no promises.

is not good

[Antihero]

I also think your kneejerk desire to leave him out is probably bad and due in part to you sippin' that haterade.

/sigh

ok so fine you don't agree w me, i can deal with that but i wasn't sipping any haterade when i initially formed the read (honestly, i'm not even sipping that much haterade now... i'm already pretty much over it, i don't hold grudges)

can people please stop acting like i have a vendetta coloring my read because i really don't

[Antihero]

Antihero stop townreading me because u love me

i have a mild scumread on shiro...

does that make you feel better?

[Antihero]

I also think your kneejerk desire to leave him out is probably bad and due in part to you sippin' that haterade.

/sigh

ok so fine you don't agree w me, i can deal with that but i wasn't sipping any haterade when i initially formed the read (honestly, i'm not even sipping that much haterade now... i'm already pretty much over it, i don't hold grudges)

can people please stop acting like i have a vendetta coloring my read because i really don't

If you can, mind showing me/telling me what about Venmar's early posts made you read him as scum

lost in the noise, don't blame ya:

viewtopic.php?p=9940093#p9940093

[Antihero]

@anti: i dont see where venmar "took my side" so much as he questioned ali's genuine-ness in the questioning/reads?
i do think his beetlejuice tell on koki was bad. hm.
but his 428 about kokichi being scum bc of empty defensiveness fluff posting rings semi-coherent to me, i dont see anything scummy w/ that

alright... well now that his top push is dead let's see what he does now

[Antihero]

harambe cut the semantics crap w chesskid. he's right that the AtE is why you didn't get left out and after that performance i'm eagerly awaiting the delivery on reads too

any other scumreads besides chesskid?

[Antihero]

So is Shiro's followup

yep

one half assed townread on maki and piling on a popular scumread

not a good start

[Antihero]

harambe cut the semantics crap w chesskid. he's right that the AtE is why you didn't get left out and after that performance i'm eagerly awaiting the delivery on reads too

any other scumreads besides chesskid?

In case chess is scum, scumpartner has been found. I already explained my thought process on chess. As how he seems to pick the side of chess, in this subtle way it should be obvious. Won't explain or go into more detail cuz by doing just that on chesskid, I already did.

i'm on phone

someone go find an appropriate reaction gif for this plz

[Antihero]

did harambe just try to call antihero my scumbuddy?

it would appear so...

i desperately want to just call him loltown and not try to parse if he's doing this on purpose

[Antihero]

I'm discussing it now, but if he is okay with it I'm just going to leave this game. This for example just shows that I am not fully concentrated on this game and that's gonna backfire.

DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT

we have a week we're lynching someone

[Antihero]

Sets the majority think are likely town

Sets containing people that aren't posting readable content
beeboy - sheepsaysmeep
Antihero - Kagami

Sets people want to Lynch
chesskid3 - Ellibereth
Dunnstral - Maki Harukawa
Venmar - xRECKONERx

Sets people want to Policy Lynch
Firebringer - Shiro
Harambey180 - Gamma Emerald

Sets that are dead
Joey_ - Alisae

This read distribution always leads to a town win c:

holy shit this is annoying plz cut it out beeboy

game winning readslist is only 3 town-town

[Antihero]

where i am currently

persist to endgame:
chesskid3 - Ellibereth
Antihero - Kagami
Harambey180 - Gamma Emerald

alternates in order:
Dunnstral - Maki Harukawa
beeboy - ActionDan

blood for the blood god:
Firebringer - Shiro
Venmar - xRECKONERx

[Antihero]

math is wrong actually need 4 town-town

revised

persist to endgame:
chesskid3 - Ellibereth
Antihero - Kagami
Harambey180 - Gamma Emerald
Dunnstral - Maki Harukawa

alternate:
beeboy - ActionDan

blood for the blood god:
Firebringer - Shiro
Venmar - xRECKONERx

[Antihero]

if i fucked up in my top tier it's probably on kagami

i had a bad feeling about sheep but i'm hopeful dan will be a LOT more readable

[Antihero]

Wait why do you need 4 town-town pairs?
I think you need 2? 3 if scum pair up and you mess up identifying that.

erk, i was right before

it is 2. 3 accounting for the scum kill

[Antihero]

who's horrible? gamma or harambe?

@shiro

[Antihero]

you still have doubts about gamma and harambe, beeboy?

which one?

[Antihero]

viewtopic.php?p=9883080&user_select%5B% ... 1#p9883080

This is Harambey's only completed game.

He was actually providing reads in that game.

really?

i'm not seeing a stark difference

[Antihero]

blood for the blood god:
Firebringer - Shiro

I don't think anyone suspects you in that pair tbh

well... you're not being honest because i do

[Antihero]

btw i don't get why maki/kaito are in the top category

i also don't get why the middle category is called alternate but i'd put them there

"alternate" is "in case i fucked up on a top tier" and yeah maki-dunn are there for me

i like dunn but i don't like maki's persistent insistence on venreck being all town

[Antihero]

I think there is a lack of AtE and he is trying harder to solve the game.
Kinda just don't want to call him town more then I think he is scum.

circumstances themselves might be different tho. you don't AtE in games where you're never under pressure

[Antihero]

is kags active in your pt

activity in there is equal to game thread

[Antihero]

Anti is probably scumreading me because of me having the same activity and burst reaction to the org 13 games he modded which is a meh reason if I am correct.

that... actually didn't occur to me but now that you bring that up

yeah that's a good point

[Antihero]

dan obvtowning (or obvscumming) would indeed save the day

[Antihero]

>can he reasonably win as scum
No
>does this by any means help his team removd Elli/Chess
No


Not sure how ballsy you 2009 peeps are though.

"go after town leader in hopes of being written off as too-ballsy-to-be-scum" is not an exotic trick

i'm not saying that's what reck is doing here but like... rly beeboy this isn't amateur hour

[Antihero]

Not sure what scum Reck gains by doing this.
Pushing Shiro then killing Anti at night makes this push a fuck ton easier.

i mean....

not if he's scum WITH shiro

[Antihero]

Not sure what scum Reck gains by doing this.
Pushing Shiro then killing Anti at night makes this push a fuck ton easier.

i mean....

not if he's scum WITH shiro

Scum dont need to survive they need to lynch every single toan/town pairing excluding thete night kill.
I dont see scum defending low survivability slots?

>bc there's no regular nightkill every scum lynch adds another mislynch they need to get to win. not bussing means shorter game, which is generally better for scum for obvious reasons
>shiro lynch is far from a done deal. fire's already looking unwilling to suicide and last i counted there are........ two votes on fireshiro. takes 8
>idk why you're even trying to second guess this. if you're town you're not going to be able to

[Antihero]

VOTE: fireshiro

reck, come on back over here

[Antihero]

Shiro's one post was icky. The one where Shiro returned the game. I can't be assed to find it right now, Anti commented on it too

there's that

then when shiro does come in for comment it doesn't get any better

[Antihero]

Antihero fite me

i didn't make you pair w scum

[Antihero]

@Anti: Why FB

starting here: viewtopic.php?p=9941993#p9941993

reads are:
bland, boring townread on someone who's prob not getting lynched anyway
pile on to the harambe hate with a buzzword salad --> "AtE and self meta with AtE induced into it when he was responding ot Dunn was really awful"

blah
blah

annnnnnnd
blah

no character to the catchup that makes me think town thought went into it

[Antihero]

i'll settle for "mildly townread"

[Antihero]

wtf I love Shiro now

yeah ok and ali was scum

thanks for the tip

[Antihero]

ok

keep us posted when shiro tickles your funny bone

[Antihero]

No passing notes in class

read in front of class or get detention

toothless threat since we're not leaving before intermission regardless

[Antihero]

we're not leaving before intermission regardless

^

also, i knew you were skeptical of kagami since the whole "[redacted]" scumread thing so.... ok not a secret

[Antihero]

waiting on dan

no interesting in lynching outside fireshiro or venreck rn

[Antihero]

still waiting on reasons to lynch fireshiro

i gave them

if you don't like them, then fine that's a separate issue but i already talked about this

[Antihero]

Sheep was townie

i cannot say i agree w that

[Antihero]

ya I am patient
Dan could still just be trying to dodge the mafia NK

kagami can do this because i'm conftown

dan has no reason to. cut it out.

[Antihero]

look i will just suicide if we all still think venmar is scum later on but can we clear out some of the other trash first

woof

[Antihero]

Going after aman innocent damsel in distress such as I, is a classic villain move.

I am currently the easiest target to pursue and him coming suddenly to the epiphany is not good.

mhm.........

so what SHOULD you be getting townread for?

[Antihero]

who's the scum resisting the chesskid wagon?

[Antihero]

Still not seeing the shiro scum read

that's bc you have your head up your ass

[Antihero]

it's the weekend, not that surprising

[Antihero]

In other news though is anyone else excited about KH 3? Any hype around here

[Antihero]

I don't even know why I'm going to try to explain life to you but here you go

I fully expect Elli and I die tonight. I also have 0 faith in Reckmar being lynched dance 2.

FireShiro has 0% chance of endgaming based on the # of scumreads on Fire.

Thanks.

if you rly think you're getting shot, i can assure you i have no intention of letting reckmar endgame

[Antihero]

i'm a dog. it's what we do

also, i'm pretty sure maki is the only person outside venreck that says they think it's town-town

[Antihero]

also, i'm pretty sure maki is the only person

outside

venreck that says they think it's town-town

thats rough reading comprehension

[Antihero]

venmar, reck, fire, shiro

^^^
unless you're one of these ppl DO NOT LEAVE

[Antihero]

VOTE: venreck

[Antihero]

i think reck is the scum in the pair now btw but that hardly matters now

[Antihero]

I’m not leaving but I think Kagami is scum and you should leave after we lynch a scum pair

if reck ends up flipping scum i may agree w you but not even considering leaving before you and venreck are gone

[Antihero]

tell her to get put here and start towning, then

@fire

[Antihero]

He did it yesterday.
Did you not see it with his push on harambe?

that wasn't town

[Antihero]

no

3 scum can't endgame 5 townies

pedit, yeah me

[Antihero]

That was such a Town shiro push. And scum shiro can’t even fake that

i don't believe that for a second

[Antihero]

maki's doing a bad towning job but i still think she's town

[Antihero]

that's bc dunn is the scum there hello

mmmmmmmmm......

nah

[Antihero]

Lynch Order

Venmar - xRECKONERx
Firebringer - Shiro
Dunnstral - Maki Harukawa
Antihero - Kagami
beeboy - ActionDan

if this lynch order was anything but game winning i think chesskid would still be here

[Antihero]

I FUCKING TOLD YOU DUNN
I TOLD YOUUUUUUU

ugh I don't like this post.
You had like 48 hours to do this in your hood
It makes me feel kinda iffy?

But I've read scum motivation in like every single post thus far not going to lie.

pedit: STOP POSTING MY REAL THOUGHTS IRONICALLY

oh I did it in the pt
but I'm also doing it here to rub it in all your faces

....whose....?

most ppl were townreading that pair

[Antihero]

I don't want to vote varner/reck at all there t/t to me

how is this?

their opponents in fights keep flipping town

[Antihero]

like...youre not even questioning?

that's odd to me

[Antihero]

I don't want to vote varner/reck at all there t/t to me

how is this?

their opponents in fights keep flipping town

exactly

oh also, you're adament your pair is town, you're not in real damger of getting lynched, and you're still alive

does that indicate good reads or bad reads?

[Antihero]

dan needs to show up

poke him, bee

[Antihero]

Firebringer - Shiro
Venmar - xRECKONERx
beeboy - ActionDan
Antihero - Kagami

Fire-Shrio dies flips scum
then kagami dies and flips scum

leaves us with
Venmar - xRECKONERx
beeboy - ActionDan
Dunnstral - Maki Harukawa

Recks posting feels towny on the last page even if I disagree with it
so lynch bee slot and we win?
Pedit: Your "I would do ___ as scum" and "I sr everything" is really really bad and I feel like you're doing that tryhard scum thing again trying to be lamist
or it's dan
eh

if that was the answer you and dunn would be in a ditch rn

[Antihero]

Like Chesskid and Elli don't die saying me, Dan and Kagami are all town then we put the bottom 3 of us all in our auto pilot kill section.

that's what i'm saying

[Antihero]

NKA is trash

no it's not

[Antihero]

elaborate?

in the event chesskid has game losing reads list, scum kills lowest t/t pair and lets chesskid loose

it just makes sense

beeboy is also right that chesskid wasn't exactly invulnerable himself, esp in an endgame setting where his credibility is shot

[Antihero]

I don't even know why I'm going to try to explain life to you but here you go

I fully expect Elli and I die tonight. I also have 0 faith in Reckmar being lynched dance 2.

FireShiro has 0% chance of endgaming based on the # of scumreads on Fire.

Thanks.

if you rly think you're getting shot, i can assure you i have no intention of letting reckmar endgame

hey here you go, anti

this is exactly why elli/chess were shot

you literally announced who you would mislynch in the event of their kill

i haven't been able to wrangle a lynch up to this point

what would make anyone think i could now?

[Antihero]

and the fact you're even engaging in this right now gives a reason for scum in dan/beeb to make that kill

so.... you're saying scum could see into the future and know i would do this?

given current site meta of ignoring dead ppl i find that very unlikely

[Antihero]

did we EVER have a site meta where we didn't ignore dead ppl, reck?

i don't recall one

[Antihero]

there's basically a 0% chance that team venmar shoots chess/elli over kagami/anti UNLESS kagami is scum with venmar

also, a distinct possibility

while not disagreeing w my ven scumread at the beginning, kagami has been talking you up in the PT as a reason for not voting your pair so i could totally see that

[Antihero]

beeboy to be blunt

if I was scum I don't think I'd have to 1v1 you I feel like I could easily pocket you but meh self meta

to be blunt

that's not how this setup works

[Antihero]

need 3 more venreck votes

[Antihero]

well idk why

on either count

[Antihero]

I still think the pushing the IC thing comes from town in all honesty even if you hate that as a line of reasoning in regards to Venmar.
Like if Venmar is scum he is making it is primary goal to just piss everyone off and I think wanting all that attention comes from town 9/10 times?
I also just town read his Alisae read in all honesty.

he hasn't pissed anyone off besides me as far as i know... he spat venom at ME (and i think chesskid and harambe?) but he hasn't gone out of the way to alienate himself to the game in general sooooooo i really don't know what you're talking about. and all the ppl he's lashed out at were voting/suspecting him anyway so it's not like he's gone out of his way to make enemies this game.

and yeah you're right i don't think discrediting the IC is town

idk what all the "town POV" stuff is or how you're gathering it. neither reck nor ven have pushed anything good all game. the KO, ali, and harambe pushes from ven were all bull (and the dunn push is bull now) and the chesskid OMGUS from reck was bull. [aaaaand THEY WERE ALL TOWN. predictably.]

which push was from a town POV? quote it.

[Antihero]

2 more, let's get it done folks

[Antihero]

Scum are less likely to hard push lynches early then town are in a nightless setup

what is this based on?

[Antihero]

idk what maki has to do with venreck

[Antihero]

the easy win was in the garbage when harambe suicided. we're past that

ok we'll just let a few days off the clock before we do anything sounds good to me

[Antihero]

if u think both are scum why didn't u hammer?

[Antihero]

VOTE: maki

[Antihero]

if that wasn't hammer someone do it

[Antihero]

alright

[Antihero]

thinking last one is either kagami or firebringer

leaning fire

[Antihero]

Me - Dan
Reck - Venmar


Both lock town
Anti I think you should just suicide but I can talk about it.

agreed

[Antihero]

i do not envy that lylo if me and shiro leaving doesn't end this

shiro, you down?

[Antihero]

She was scum-scum
She doesn't throw the game by hard defending her buddy she just lets Reckmar die.

does she think she-dunn can carry by themselves tho...?

[Antihero]

it DOES seem really white-knighty to me tho...

let me think

[Antihero]

There's also some posts in her interactions that I like.

i never thought any of maki's posts were problematic except maybe these:

Like we can agree suiciding is bad unless it comes down to deadline timer like it did last time
but that's not how scum is gonna win this set up
Anti do you really think varner is scum or are you bias

Some people can't tell if they're bias but ay worth a shot

i really don't care for the way she's trying to discredit the older scumread off of the interpersonal problem that JUST appeared. i would only go back and worry about that if venmar actually did flip scum tho

you seemed pretty adamant about her being scum not that long ago, i just read your case

yeesh that doesn't look good for ven

[Antihero]

5 couples

with the partner alive she needs 2 mislynches
w partner dead she also needs 2 mislynches

ok i see what ur saying

[Antihero]

fakegod i am taking kagami to show her the sad pathetic red velvet cake i made

bye

[Antihero]

alright we won,

no thanks to me. lol