Mini 1990: Terror in the City (Game Over)

[Almost50]

Yeah, I have read NOTHING, but I have reads

Nero is DAYVIG (that's a given)
havingfitz is the SERILA KILLER (would've said "or Vig" except we already have a dayvig, don't we?)
Kokichi Oma is the

opposite alignment

of whatever I end up reading him.
Kop is 1-shot Cop/Traker/Gunsmith or whatever.
Dunn will post once or twice every cycle.
Fuzzy will live up to his name (at least he's being honest)
The Powerpuff Girls will eventually win the game if Scum, and if Town will be shot N1.
Assemblerotws will appear scummy regardless of his true alignment.
Chickadee is TOWN (again, regardless of her true alignment)
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Lynch pool: yurkin/Momrangal/Hopkirk
Reason: I don't know any of them, so better safe than sorry.

Oh and I claim Jester!

Off to read now

[Almost50]

I hope flavour isn't important. It's hard to read.
Given 'your mind' counts as a weapon, TPG's four minds are OP.

VOTE: TNE

VOTE: Hopkirk

Voting someone not in the game (also OMGUS, also also RVS)

VOTE: Kokichi Oma

Usually SK!fitz votes main scum, which means Koki is scum, which means he's town (see my previous post)

Spoiler:

Sill town despite the RED role.

vote TFL

I just can't trust someone whose name is FuzzyLogic

also I'm claiming....
I am the town x shot potato.....on odd days I can pour sour cream on myself. On even days I can turn myself into French Fries.

Hello everybody.

I LOVE YOU, man!

P.S. This time I come fully prepared so I won't complain about anything you say or do.

[Almost50]

I forgot my umbrella, can I borrow yours?
VOTE: chickadee

Scumclaim! Voting conf.Town


Rest of page 1:

[Almost50]

MY EYES!!!!!

Someone's missing a vowel. Are your O's and U's ok though?

VOTE: FTL

Who's FTL?

Faster Than Light!

@Havingfitz: You've only made one other naked RVS vote in your last 20ish games. Do you feel like that's alignment indicative?

No.

What was my alignment in the other game?

3P killer.. like always!

Does anyone else think it's weird a 4 headed hydra hasn't posted yet?

[/vote] The powerpuff girls [/vote]

[/vote] Hopkirk [/vote]

Only a scumster will mess up the vote tags.

[Almost50]

VOTE: TFL

Self voting in RVS is just as scum as doing RQS

Already needs to die

^Scum posting^ trying too hard.

Wait! What? NVM. I meant it was CLEARLY town-motivated.

I think if I wanted to make life changes I wouldn't start with a fake murder game. :/

I KNEW you weren't faking, You ARE the dayvig, aren't you?

sup

sorta forgot about the game. did I missed something interesting? XD

^Scum posting^

I can't find proper reasoning because I wouldn't expect scum to say they forgot about the game, so I'm going to say LYING SCUM (I'm BRILLIANT and there's NO STOPPING ME).

@Fuzzy:

I'm legit starting to get worried. You're talking too much compared to what I'm used to get from you.

[Almost50]

@Brassherald: were you aware there were 4 votes on TFL already?

Really??

VOTE: TFL

-bubbles

Like I need to be more confused about which head is posting! Who's bubbles?

-Professor

WRONG. It was PROTECtOR

PEDIT ~ Buttercup eff I can't remember which one lol

ROTFL

[Almost50]

Just ask and ye shall receive.

As soon as I get a...

^Scum posting^ trying to look busy

Also, I hate this A50 guy already. Can definitely lynch there.

[Almost50]

@Almost50: I feel like you’ve caught the same thing I have. Do you think TPG is almost confirmed town right now?

Like I need to be more confused about which head is posting! Who's bubbles?

: Anyone dislike this? I kind of dislike this.
Since you've given a fake reads list can we have a real one?

1- Tell you the truth; I'd automatically TR NSG/Cheeky until proven otherwise, but I'd never trust my buddy RC even if I had access to his inbox and saw he received a green PM with my own eyes. KC I think I can get a read on, which brings me to the next point..

2-Why would you dislike me asking which head is signing under what name? If i don't know who's posting I can't meta the poster, and if I can't meta the poster I can't get a read on them based on tone or playstyle.

Cheeky has a way of obv!towning when she's Town. NSG is serious and straightforward. KC is a bit more complicated than that, but still manageable. RC is crazier than I am and can play the most convoluted of tricks as either alignment (depending on what he wants to achieve from it).

So, if -say- KC was posting and I thought it was Cheeky I'd be SRing the slot for the wrong reason, bc KC doesn't obv!Town as Cheeky does, and if RC was posting and I thought it was NSG I'd also be SRing the slot for the wrong reason, because he plays tricks and she's straightforward, so...??

3- A read list? This early?? Like, the only thing I can tell you with any degree of confidence is this isn't Nero's scum game, and -maybe- that you look like you're scum hunting for real. I have no other reads that I can share at this time.

[Almost50]

Do you have any thoughts on Fuzzy, or interactions going on around Fuzzy?

I did mention he was talking more than usual, but I can't tell if it's AI or just a change of playstyle, because I don't remember Fuzzy being Scum in a game with me.

[Almost50]

I need to get this further refined

Reminder: Use sieve #200 to separate sand from silt/clay

[Almost50]

Why is it ok for A50 to be nervous but I was scummy for it?

Because I'm the eldest. Duh!

[Almost50]

@A50, shouldn't that make you the wisest? Duh!

Yes, of course.. but even the wisest monkey is still... a monkey!! Duh!

[Almost50]

Hopkirk still town, very worth listening to.

No sure I understand. Are you saying Hopkirk has a single titled "Still Town" hat you think is worth listening to?

[Almost50]

Where is the meta on me (Keychain) coming from in 312? I think our only completed game together is Donner Party, where I was scum and we both died N1.

You're probably right about "completed" games

[Almost50]

sup

sorta forgot about the game. did I missed something interesting? XD

I'm totaly gonna catch up tonight

!

in a 10hours or so after work

>.>'

vote me if I don't

!!

Started reading XD kinda dissapointed Hoprik is using so much meta, and with quite specific details to it.

I'm here I'm here
Got prodded.

Yes, Sir'ree

VOTE: yurkin

This slot needs some serious wagon. More fresh grass to those who sheep me.

[Almost50]

Well, to say the least: Hop is currently my top TR for the effort he's putting into the game.

I also don't think anyone else would notice you asked them questions in that spoiler because you only addressed me outside of it.

@Chickadee/@Asseble/@Kokichi/@Nero

you all need to read inside that spoiler Kop put in his post #334

[Almost50]

Anything new?

[Almost50]

@Almost50: Why Yurkin over Brass/Assemble?

Assemble replaced in and brass hasn't posted in 6 days so probably will be replaced.

Yurkin has 4 posts. He posts roughly once every 48 hours and says he "will" do stuff but never does, plus he asked to voted if he doesn't deliver.

[Almost50]

Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:48 pm

sup

sorta forgot about the game. did I missed something interesting? XD

Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:11 am

I'm totaly gonna catch up tonight!

in a 10hours or so after work

>.>' vote me if I don't!!

Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:01 pm

Started reading XD kinda dissapointed Hoprik is using so much meta, and with quite specific details to it.

Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:25 pm

I'm here I'm here
Got prodded.

P.S. Timestamps are adjusted to GMT+2, so may appear different to you but the same time gaps between them.

[Almost50]

ROTFL... I didn't realize Assenmble replaced brass! I opened the activity overview and looked for the least posters, and these were Cheeky (ego post. Part of the hydra); Assemble (replaced in) and yurkin (4 posts ISO), so I ISO'd yurkin and voted him.

Koki is one player I won't be trying to read on D1. No matter how I try he is always a hard read for me, so I'm probably going to rely on night action to sort him for me.

[Almost50]

My problem here is that Assemble/Kokichi look like your most likely partners. It's a little worrying you aren't good at reading one, and voted Yurkin instead of the other (for doing the same thing).

I see!

Well, you can make a case on whichever if them you want to lynch and we can all evaluate it.

Also, how do you get Assemble/Koki to be my "most likely partners"?
And who do you think he 4th would be?
How do you explain two scums replacing out so early?
Does the fact I slipped no knowing Assemble replaced brass affect your reads at all, or do you think I faked ignorance?

P-edit: I also played him in a [ulr=viewtopic.php?f=23&t=73987]3rd game[/url] (actually was the 1st because I was a replacement in Magical Girls), and I never actually managed to peg him correctly on D1.

That said, you also seem to not be able to read him at all. You even keep referring to him as a she, while I -at least- remember his declared pronoun.

[Almost50]

3rd game

Fixed.

[Almost50]

@Hop: Assemble IS a replace in himself. That's why I'm giving him some slack. I didn't even ISO him before you said he was "doing the same thing" bc -in my mind- he posted 3 times since he came into the game.

As for him "doing the same thing" though, I don't see it. He posted twice in a row, took a dive then posted once and disappeared. The difference:
1- It's not as "steady" as yurkin (who has roughly a 48 hrs interval between each post and the next one)
2- Assemble never promised to do something then failed to deliver (the "I'll catch up today"+no show afterwards is a scumtell in my book)
3- Assemble is a known lurker. Yurkin I don't even know from before.

So, when I had to pick one to pressure it had to be yurkin unless someone else pointed out he was a known lurker as either alignment like Assemble is.

Btw, I sometimes do what you did (list all possible combinations, I even start with the whole players list and start working my way through it all, like "X is not scum with Y so delete all combinations combining them together", or "X is unlikely scum with Y, so move this one down the list", or simply "X is TOWN, so delete all combinations they appear in".

The problem with this approach (in addition to it requiring much work on my .doc file) is one mistake will destroy the whole thing. Like, if I misinterpret a post to be a crumb of a town role and get convinced must be town and that turns out to be false I'm already wandering way out off the right path.

Last, but not least: You may dash out all combinations containing my name at will. It may not feel right now but it will serve you the best on the long run, because I received a green role pm. *Shrug*

[Almost50]

Am I wrong to assume that Yurkin is being policy lynched for being a lurker> Am I missing something???

Policy? No. Scummy Lurking. Promising to catch up and not delivering, posting on steady intervals.. someone who has it PLANNED to play that way in a bid to avoid being put under the microscope is what I see.

[Almost50]

Why aren’t you cutting Yurkin slack given he’s got 99 total posts on site?

Because it appears more systematic than random. It looks like a calculated move/play rather than random posting/lurking. Now even if that is his play style, I don't know that (yet), so I'm to go after him for it anyway. Maybe when I've played with him for another game or two and if I see that this is his usual I'd be more inclined to give him slack THEN based on my knowledge that it's NAI. Right now I'm more leaning it AI than not.

[Almost50]

Rc head is out.

Quitter!

[Almost50]

They are prod dodging? What is there to look into?

So? Does the prodging give you scum vibes or town vibes?

[Almost50]

It's NAI, someone give me something to work with.

And assuming it's NAI, what do you think should be done? Pressure the player for more activity on order to sort them? Or just let them be and look elsewhere and pretend they're not in the game?

[Almost50]

If they are still dodging after votes, then what's the point?

Good to know exactly what I should be doing when I'm scum in a game with you.

[Almost50]

Why are we lynching the prod dodger again?

Because he's your scum buddy and your defense here is REALLY annoying.

[Almost50]

yurkin is scum (confirmed)
Koki is scum (confirmed)
third one is in Momrangal/havingfitz >> Dunnstral/Assemblerotws

[Almost50]

@Hop: Kop is Town. If he was Scum Yurkin's lynch

would

have gone through. The way it got dismantled points to scum trying to save their buddy and replacing him with a Kop lynch as a scapegoat.

[Almost50]

fitz is more likely scum with yurkin who saw for to bus, but jumped off the wagon at the most appropriate time. If not, then that was a really ugly unvote.

P-edit: That was EXACTKLY what I expected you to do, fitz. Vote the counterwagon of your scum p. Thanks for proving my point.

[Almost50]

Check THIS out/ In this game Jay did the exact same thing as fitz did here. I pointed it out. Nobody listened. I was NK'd on N1 (by the OTHER scum team). Jay went on to win the game for the WWs.

[Almost50]

Mom- Odd Kop scumreads both Kokichi/Dunn for the Kokichi/Dunn interaction. Neither him nor Mom engage the other on this point.

Mom was park-voting on a vanity wagon before he joined the yurkin wagon, ehich looks more like a buddy who had given up and decided to bus for town cred. firz jumped off the wagon immediately after so if Koki is just bad town (wouldn't be the first time I misread him) then it's yurkin+mom+fitz

[Almost50]

Hell, even if yurkin is TOWN, that hop off the wagon by fitz would still look scummy!!

VOTE: fitz

yurkin/mom/Koki are also acceptable lynched to me. Kop is not.

[Almost50]

A50...explain you Kop tr. Please.

I just did. The shear resistance to yurkin's wagon makes Kop the designated counterwagon, and you only need to see who is voting which at what times. Kop is Town, yurkin is most likely not.

[Almost50]

Counterwagons do not necessarily get formed by scum votes. Mos of the time the scum team manipulates the game status to let TOWN form the CC and join in later so as not to appear "driving" the mislynch. Let's lynch Kop.. and when he flips Town both you and me will be the next MISlynch targets. You for pushing on Kop and me for defending him (thus allegedly knowing he will flip town, thus I'm scum who was defending Kop for Town cred.. etc).

I've seen it dome multiple times in multiple ways. Like, scum could push scum in a scummy way to dissuade the town from joining that wagon and making hem more likely to join the designated counterwagon. (that's what mom did, btw). Or they could bus their p and jump off the wagon pretending it was because someone else said something (fitz did this) so it creates a global (mis)conception the argument was good against the scum wagon and it is better to join the wagon on the town player.

When said player flips green, nobody remembers who switched their votes, but rather the one who went strongly for/against those lynches. CHECK THAT GAME. Jay was Beefster's p, and he jumped off the wagon when it reached L-1, then Beef hammered himself when all others on his wagon were TOWN. The funny thing is both Jay and the two Mafia players were on the counterwagon 9even I didn't see that one coming), and if it wasn't for Mathdino playing one of his best games we would not have lynched Mafia. But still, Mafia shooting me on N1 only served JAY the most and he went on to win the game.

[Almost50]

^@Hop, btw

[Almost50]

@Hop:

Here's a TOWN game I recently played with Kop. ISO him and see if his play is much different here.

[Almost50]

Fitz was the SK in hat game, btw. (check my opening post in here and you'd get some of what I said regarding some players, like fitz is SK and Koki is always the opposite of how I peg him.. etc)

[Almost50]

@A50...why doesn't Koki's hop on kop and then hop off at L-2 twist your knickers? Isn't that what you're accusing me of?

Koki IS still in my lynchpool, just not an immediate target.

[Almost50]

@Hop: Suffice it to say I would be pissed at my own SCUM BUDDY the most of I was scum with yurkin. His play is not only hurting the team in the sense he is drawing much attention to himself by not being in the game at all, but it's stopping me from hard pushing other lurkers (whom I'd know are town). I'd push him first and if he is lynched so be it. I'd earn some town cred and will be free to push on the other lurkers without being suspected for it.

However, when/if a chance introduces itself for me to switch to someone else I'd gladly take it. It'd be even better to lynch a townie forst then switch back to bussing my scum p, then push the person(s) who pushed against my scum p lynch on D1 resulting in a mislynch. That is (hypothetically assuming I'm scum with yurkin):

I'd lynch Kop and he will flip Town. Then I would lynch yurkin and he will flip scum. Then I would lynch you because you defended yurkin and pushed Kop instead. then I'd shade A50 who knew yurkin was scum and Kop was town. That's FOUR lynches I'd be working on and planning to achieve. Coupled with 4 NKs and we're down to 3T vs 2S on D5 << LyLo. And that's assuming no other deaths (no reason for me to assume a Vig exists or even a PGO).

[Almost50]

And taking off your brown stained blinders...forget the counterwagon bs you are pushing...how does Kop look to you strictly on the merit of his posts?

YOU should know better, Mr Serial Killer in that game I linked. You KNOW Kop is hard to town!case even hen he IS a Town PR, and -assuming you never played with him is any other games- that one should be reason enough for you to -at least- think twice before you try to lynch him on D1.

Granted, Kop could still be scum and I could be 100% wrong on all my reads, but there's no evidence to support I'm wrong either, so why should I just submit to your will?

[Almost50]

@Hop: I'll accept he flaked when he does actually get replaced. Meanwhile, I'm still opposed to the Kop lynch until you show me what you see different here than his play in the game I linked of him with both myself and fitz.

[Almost50]

Also, I'm not lynching a fellow Liverpool FC fan

[Almost50]

koki, get back on Kop

Yeah, you probably are a Toffees fan because Tim Howard used to play for Everton, so NO!

[Almost50]

@Nero: Take a wild guess at my top 3.. no top 5 musical bands of all time. You only need to guess ONE band correctly, and you have 3 guesses. If you guess right I will vote Kop. If not then I know you haven't been paying attention to anything I say or do in any game we've ever played together. (Just trying to have fun while you guys settle on the correct lynch. My preferred lynch is still fitz over Kop)

[Almost50]

meatloaf
the eagles
the Beatles

Depeche Mode
UB40
Culture Club
Kool & The Gang
Duran Duran

[Almost50]

You know what? I'm starting to fall into apathy myself.

So, here's the deal:

I declare intent

on yurkin/Kop if either gets to L-1. As soon as either is @L-1 they should claim at once or they'd be hammered. (I don't want to spend the next 3 and a half months waiting for someone to come make a post, and if either is town and doesn't care then why should I? I'd rather lose the game and move on than be stuck in here forever).

And you may add Assemble to the list, although I very much doubt there'll be a significant wagon there.

For a 16 players game (counting the 4-headed hydra as 4 players) that already had 2 replacements the activity level sure is disappointing, and while I know some maybe PRs trying to avoid being NK'd I'm also sure there is scum in the lurkers (and it's not TFL)

[Almost50]

Basically I won't lynch: Hop/Nero/TFL/TPG/Chicka

Anyone else can go.

[Almost50]

Koki is the least of the lynch pool that I actually want to lynch today. The read on him is circumstantial and I need a red flip in order to be able to categorize him, so you may add Koki o the "not lynching today" list

[Almost50]

What changed your mind on Kop? Just desire for a lynch?

Yes. If he is Town he still isn't doing us any favours, so whatever. Hell, I've posted 5 times as many already and >I< am a replacement!

[Almost50]

@Chicka: How about fitz? Or yurkin, maybe?

[Almost50]

Might aswell claim, because every ****** has a hard on for me. If I was scum, I'd be sure to be consistent in my play rather than play loosely.

Town Jailkeeper.

I tried to hint he might be a PR cuz that's how he plays it. but I wasn't 100% myself. *Sigh*

[Almost50]

Waiting for a VC + Hop thoughts

[Almost50]

Still waiting for a VC. but I see Assemble is gaining momentum, so

intent to hammer

within 20 hours of the next VC

[Almost50]

What made you think he's a pr?

I know this is your usual play, but I just hate it when you ask such silly questions.

Nero, my friend.. I LINKED A RECENT GAME of Kop where he was a TPR and playing like this. I opened my game with a "joke post" stating Kop will be a 1-shot one thing or another. (Don't take that literally. He's not a 1-shot something, but it was a hint that he was more likely than not a PR).

Could I have been wrong? SURE. I just said I wasn't sure before he claimed. However, I'm inclined to believe the claim because THIS IS THE WAY KOP PLAYS AS A PR TO AVOID BEING NK'D EARLY.

@Kop: Btw, you need to change that because if I was Mafia/SK in a game with you and you played it like this I would be shooting you on N1 just to be safe.

[Almost50]

a50, in the game you linked he seems more proactive and not nearly as lurky and useless as he seems here.

He had 50 posts in 25 days! Also, there has been much to comment on there, while here we hardly have anything to talk about.

[Almost50]

OK.. Dunn, mom or Assemble. Anybody has a case? Or would you rather I draw from a deck of cards and vote whomever lands a couple of deuces????

P-edit: OK, scratch out Assemble. mom it is.

VOTE: mom

[Almost50]

This was in response to my posts (614/5), right?

First part was. The p-edit was after I saw 617

[Almost50]

@Gamma: FTR, I

would

lynch Assemble, bur here's the answer to your last question:

This couldn't wait like one more day to fill up?

I don't want to miss it, so I am hardcore lurking while I take care of the personal issue I dropped out of all my games for.

[Almost50]

Btw, this is from a SIGN UP thread to a game that HAS NOT STARTED YET, so it doesn't break any rules.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Gamma

Partially for voting a claimed PR, and partially bc I don't like his catching up, but

most of all

just to piss him off.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Momrangal

This game could do without your shitty reads.

[Almost50]

when I get lynched

or killed

the next day immediately begins

What does the bolded mean? Can you elaborate on it?

[Almost50]

UNVOTE:

Just in case, although I can see it more beneficial to TOWN if we skipped a night (yes, N3/N4 would be better, but still N1/N2 isn't bad because we would have a flip from the lynch and scum won't be able to kill, so we are in a better situation than we are now)

[Almost50]

But whatever we do, we do NOT want to NO LYNCH today. In fact I was going to put Assemble @L-1, but I'm not sure I like the wagon composition. I TR everyone on mom's wagon to various degrees, but I don't have a TR on either Dunn or fitz on the Assemble wagon.

[Almost50]

I have no idea how you're planning on putting Assemble on L-1 when he only now has three votes.

Either way what are both thoughts on chick?

I've had a Town lean on her for that is now deteriorating as time goes by bc of her low activity. I'd say she's at the positive side of my nulls for now. Would rather lynch in Gamma/fitz tbh, but I have nothing against lynching in Assemble/Dunn either.

[Almost50]

Btw, I welcome any investigative/informative role to be on me, but I would rather not be protected by any means tonight. Take that as you will.

And..

VOTE: Gamma

[Almost50]

Don't what? We're running out of time and we're running out of options.

Give me a fitz/Dunn wagon and I'll gladly switch my vote.

Or -if you like, we can both put Assemble @L-1 and force a claim, bc I'm not even sure he softed anything with that.

[Almost50]

VOTE: fitz

[Almost50]

@Nero: Talk to me, bro. I kinda feel weird about your lynching preferences. Is there anything you want to tell me?

[Almost50]

Why do you feel weird about it?

What do you mean "why"? Because you seem to be opposed to all wagons but two. You are fighting this and that, and given a 3rd option you turn it down in favour of a 4th, and you want to lynch a claimed role over a NON-CLAIMED one. Assemble didn't bloody soft anything. I would definitely try to -at least- force an explicit claim from Assemble to see if he was legit softing a PR at all, and IF so then evaluate how genuine his claim might be.

I'm weirded out by the fact neither TOWN nor SCUM are trying to push there. Does the WHOLE TOWN really think Assemble softed an "important" role with "you can lynch me but I'd rather not"??

Do Scum want to keep an "unknown" PR around, in addition to the two who already hard claimed?

I thus legit don't get how Assemble is being given a pass by everyone regardless of his true alignment.

[Almost50]

You're bad b/c you are voting town, you are annoying b/c you are tunneling town.

So, fitz is Town too? fitz, Assemble & Gamma are all town????? You must want to lynch Titus then. The only thing stopping you is she's not in this game!!

[Almost50]

Then VOTE ASSEMBLE and I will join you on him and then he will be @L-1 and we will see about this alleged "softing a PR"

[Almost50]

@Nero:

VOTE: Assemble

How about now, please? We need to see that claim and have time to evaluate.

[Almost50]

15 hours

[Almost50]

Just vote him and it'll be like you rubbed the lamp

[Almost50]

Nice try, Scum!Gamma

VOTE: Gamma

Got a guilty, yo!

I also suspect Fuzzy fir his entrance of D2, but let's lynch the guilty first.

[Almost50]

I don't believe he's actually claiming a legit guilty on me, he's just saying it cos

he thinks I'm scum

Wouldn't this by default make me TOWN?? And here I was thinking you were pushing me for Scum. My bad!

And.. a VT with a night action?? Come on, dude!

@Fuzzy: Can you clear how you picked your username? And if you picked it yourself, why did you choose this avatar over the other 458781129884558 animated GIFs available online?

[Almost50]

Notice how he toned it down when I claimed that guilty and he thought he was had, and as soon as I hinted it wasn't conclusive he is back to pushing me?

Well, I don't care if I'm lynched, my friend. I will just take you down with me with much confidence.

VOTE: A50

[Almost50]

Because I want to get lynched and venge kill Gamma today. Ain't that obvious?

[Almost50]

If you guys won't lynch scum I'm going to kill them myself

[Almost50]

You claim tracker/watcher, and vengeful? which is it?

And Ascetic PGO Vigilante on top of that. You're just going to test it to find out.

[Almost50]

the venge is so fake.

Shut up and vote me. Lynch Fuzzy next.

[Almost50]

how !50 knew Gamma made the kill and not that Gamma took another action that is trackable....... as I said Im prob being dense

VOTE: Fuzzy

WHO THE HELL said "Gamma made the kill"? I only claimed I had a guilty and that Gamma has a "night action" pr more to it: Gamma ACTED last night.

Fuzzy+Gamma CONFIRMED SCUM.

[Almost50]

wait I thought you claimed tracker/watcher......... how can you get a guilty then

Do Trackers/Watchers get guilties?

inb4 you say I saw him visiting the NK.. I'll rephrase the question:

When you are modding a game; do you tell your Tracker "Your target is guilty"? Or do you tell then "Your target visited X"? Do you tell the Watcher "Your target has been visited by MAFIA!X"? Or just "Your target has been visited by X"?

You want it in yet another form? Here: Are Trackers/Watchers called "investigative roles" or "informative roles"?

If you thought about it; a townie would never assume Tracker/Watcher when they see the word "GUILTY". If anything they would thing "some kind of COP", and

if in doubt

they would do as Chicka did and ask if it's conclusive (she was actually asking if I'm a COP or some other role like Tracker/Watcher/Gunsmith ..etc)

You, sir, assumed automatically assumed Tracker/Watcher (as did Gamma) which leads me to believe you know more than the rest of us. Maybe Gamma is a GF so a direct guilty is impossible? I say "maybe" because I cannot be sure before I actually see the flip.

Suffice it to say if you were Town in this situation, the word "guilty" would lead you to believe I'm an alignment cop, a Role Cop, or maybe even a Follower, but certainly not Tracker/Watcher as you claim to have perceived it.

[Almost50]

On another note, mom brings up a very good point about Kop. Why would Mafia shoot anyone else when they had a claimed JK? JK = no Doctor in play, and the sooner they get rid of the JK the better.

[Almost50]

Frankly, I was going to answer if only you had stopped with the first half of that question, but when you add a threat to it then I refuse to answer your question. You should know by now how stubborn I am, This isn't your first, second or third game with me.

I will just roll to the very end of your #971 and ask you this: Have you EVER seen me joking about a guilty before? Have I ever claimed a guilty and taken it back in your experience with me?

[Almost50]

A50 is town. FoS fuzzy logic.

A50 why are Fuzzy/Gamma conf scum? Sorry if you've said already.

~ Buttercup

The way they went about the claimed guilty and the way the collaborated with each other's thoughts.

Gamma slipped when he said it was a

Town

gambit, admitting he knows I'm town while actively claiming to SR me before and after that point.

Fuzzy is dancing around it and the assumption I was a Tracker/Watcher coupled by "how did A50 know Gamma made the kill" gives me the impression Gamma did actually shoot Koki and Fuzzy knew it.

However, I'm willing to accept Fuzzy is being Fuzzy. This guy always has the wrong assumptions and deductions based on some weird interpretations of his own. Gamma though is a competent player and the slip doesn't come from town!him ever.

[Almost50]

Almost50 can we get a clear answer whether there's a guilty or not

~ Prof

No, it was not, RC. It was a gambit to see how Gamma and others reacted. Your slot's reaction was townie. Chicka's reaction was townie. Hopkirk's and Nero's also were townie, but mom's reaction was the towniest.

Dunn, having and Kop didn't weigh in, but while the latter 2 didn't even post yet, Dunn did post after the claim and ignored the discussion, which is something to ponder on.

My lynch pool is in Gamma/Fuzzy/Dunn/Kop

[Almost50]

I can just be as stubborn .......

yeah, maybe I lost my patience but you been jerking me along........ I know your not the cop. Its pretty obvious by your actions. Cops would never acted the way you have, Its obvious some fake claim. My real questions was if you playing some crazy gambit, if you were reaction testing or you just scum making a fake claim. When you said your wernt a watcher than i know it is a fake claim and I did not mis understand something, I highly doubt you are a cop. If you are than I owe you a huge apology at the end of the game.

Can you get your act together and make a post that doesn't contradict itself?? "I know you're not the cop" followed by "I highly doubt you are the cop". Which is it? Do you

know

it or just suspect it?

Also, explain to the class how cops would never say "nice try, but I've got a guilty on you".

And you say is "obvious" some fake claim? If it was so obvious, how come you asked if I was an informative role, and stated that you were willing to vote Gamma after you got the answer?

And you have the guts to accuse

me

of not making sense?

[Almost50]

Honestly I think that Fuzzy's reaction makes far, far more sense as a reaction to a guilty claimed on Town!Gamma

Hypothetically speaking, let's assume that Gamma is indeed Town (for the sake of the argument). How would Town!Fuzzy know that?

[Almost50]

A LOT of people didn't sheep the guilty: I think that strongly suggests that he's town

I wasn't/am not talking about Fuzzy not sheeping it. Chicka didn't sheep the guilty either, but she asked a sensible question in a Townie manner. She didn't assume stuff and claim details that weren't even mentioned.

"How did A50 know Gamma made the kill" especially strikes me as a very odd assumption. I could've been a Gunsmith, or a Follower, or even a Loyal Neigbourizer or a Loyal Friendly Neighbour, all of which would have returned a "guilty" in some way. I could think of more roles that could/would return guilties without necessarily confirming "Gamma made the kill".

What's more is Fuzzy's assumption came after Gamma had already claimed VT, so Watcher/Tracker would still be in contradiction of the situation. Fuzzy

knows

Gamma's not a VT, but doesn't understand how he was caught.

[Almost50]

Also Momrangal's reaction is not towny at all if we assume that Gamma is town

mom can only be scum if >I< am scum, which is a 100% false assumption/condition. Look at the way she defended me AFTER it was outed that it was a gambit. I was very much a low hanging fruit.. a sitting dick waiting to get lynched.

[Almost50]

Actually, if we assume Gamma to be Town then NERO's reaction would be the scummiest, but I wasn't considering Gamma as a townie.

[Almost50]

does scum really claim a role that gives town a double day lol she's gonna get policy lynched the day before lylo

I totally forgot about the "skip the nxt night when I'm lynched" claim!

That is also a Town claim, because -as you pointed out- we would be auto-lynching her whenever we want to stop the scum NK.

[Almost50]

Spicy read: Nero cain is scum, probably with Gamma

The way the two successively voting mom looked suspicious, yes. Bur would Scum actually vote in such quick succession at the start of the wagon?

[Almost50]

Well, let me put it this way: I won't be fighting a wagon on Nero if enough players are interested. I prefer Gamma still (and Fuzzy to an extent). However, I'm not at all interested in lynching mom.

Also, I hope Kop will show up sometime before the end of Trump's second term ( ) to explain how he is still alive and claim whom he jailed .. etc.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Gamma Not sure where my vote is, but this is now the best lynch. If this flips Scum (and I sure expect it to) that would clear Kop permanently in my eyes.

If it flips Town though, then we will know by tomorrow if we do have a SK or if that was the Mafia kill flavour and work from there.

[Almost50]

I'm also wondering why no one is looking into a kill that was the furthest from what someone would expect

It is for this particular reason that I'm accepting Kop's theory of the SK. Mafia make more logical kills, but the Serial Killer would kills just about anyone, and preferably someone they know won't be protected because nobody thinks highly of them (in terms of TRs).

[Almost50]

A50 what are your reads on Dunnstral and Mom?

~ Buttercup

I dunno about Dunn, but mom is 100% Town.

Now that I have had time to think about it, I believe the correct lynch to be Gamma regardless. If he flips Mafia then Kop is confirmed a JK. If he flips Town then Kop is confirmed scum and faking, because why would Mafia kill someone else but the claimed JK?

Anything else can be worked out tomorrow.

[Almost50]

On other words, the way I see it is we 100% have one scum in Kop/Gamma

[Almost50]

IDK, though I think there's a good chance scum has an invest. 2 of my 3 topscumreads have claimed guilties on you, with one of them possibly backtracking. Also, you don't seem to be your normal OMGUSy self. I also think Kops "guilty" is a bit of a leap in logic.

GDI! This is as townie as you can get from Nero.

Tell me, "Nerostein".. if I'm scum with Kop, why would I fake a guilty on Gamma knowing my p (who had already claimed JK) will come in with a guilty claim on Gamma?? By what "Fuzzy" logic are you going? (Cheap shot, I know. Sorry, Fuzzy.. I couldn't resist)

[Almost50]

VOTE: Dunnstral

I can't call this a bad vote, but bit's not the optimal choice.

[Almost50]

I also didn't like Hop hopping odd the Gamma wagon when it got to 4. Just saying.

[Almost50]

Kop, Mom and a50

Kop: You're probably wrong
mom: You're very likely wrong
A50: You're definitely wrong

Best of luck, my friend.

[Almost50]

This is where my head is at:


~ Buttercup

Oh! OK. GLWT

[Almost50]

Actually I'm going to try to convince my hydra buddies to support me CFDing Hopkirk because I'm not letting him live as scum in a town leader position.

And I'm nor stopping that one because I really really hated the vote switch from Gamma to mom.

[Almost50]

The second reason here is not a good reason for a lynch. We'd probably find out if it was a mafia kill after another night anyway, so this amounts to wanting to lynch him to find out information at the end of the day rather than the end of the night.
If Gamma is mafia, lynching him doesn't stop there being two kills.

My argument was actually made to avoid saying "If Gamma flips Town then Kop is lying", because -obviously- if there IS a 2nd kill then Kop would have stopped a kil ON Gamma still.

[Almost50]

a role that gets policy lynched in mylo

If this is inevitable it does it really matter if she's lynched today or not?

You seem quite confident we WILL get to a LyLo situation though!

[Almost50]

Let me restate the obvious:

- Kop claims to have jailed Gamma.

- We had one NK that has a different flavour than the "standard" Mafia NK, this hinting (with no certainty) that it might have been a SJ kill.

- If we lynch Gamma and he flips Mafia it confirms Kop as the JK, and confirms we have 2 different killers (actually, it doesn't theoretically confirm the latter, because it could be that Gamma is a Mafioso who didn't perform the kill and another member did, but..)

- If Gamma flips Town Kop isn't really caught scum, as he could also have been telling the truth and (a) We only have a Mafia that jills with knives, or (b) the Mafia kill actually was on Gamma (very unlikely, but still...)

- The other alternative is Gamma flips Town because Kop is actually scum and is setting Gamma up, This one is astronomically unlikely because Kop would be setting himself for a lynch next, but let's say he's counting on getting a mislynch today and is alright with being lynched tomorrow after Mafia does kill again taking us down to 6 vs 2 going into N3, or 5 vs 2 at the start of D4.

- We have to note Kop is unCC'd. There's apparently no other protective in the game which give his claim a higher chance of being legit.

- We have an alternative in No Lynching and waiting for the night to reveal if we do have 2 kills. The problem is if we do then we are doomed because we likely start D3 as 5 vs 3 vs 1 and we need to rely on cross killing AND we have no room for any additional mislynches.

So, LYNCHING GAMMA IS THE BEST OPTION.

If we have 2 killers we must have at least 1 more PR in the game and they will not have to check Gamma (dead) or Kop (will be sorted automatically) so it gives them a better chance to actually catch scum.

If we have only Mafia then we either have a confirmed Townie or a confirmed Mafioso in Kop (and if the latter then we still do have at least one PR bc we can't be all VTs in a Coney Island game).

[Almost50]

Can we please advance this game somehow?

[Almost50]

-We lynch Gamma and he flips mafia.
-We find out whether mafia exist the following night based on how many kills there are, and the flavour.
-Kop definitely dies at night for being obviously not a scumpartner for Gamma.

Let me address this case first. If that's the case Mafia already know Kop is a JK and they will kill him tonight regardless. So, what we actually gain is we lynch a Mafioso today.

[Almost50]

-We lynch Gamma and he flips town.
-We find out whether mafia exist the following night based on how many kills there are, and the flavour. This is the same as above.
-The Kop situation isn't resolved in any way.

But the Kop situation does resolve either way. Assuming Gamma is Town then either Kop prevented a kill on Gamma or Kop is faking and this can be deduced from the number of kills AND the target(s). I mean one kill not on Kop would be pretty damning. 2 kills -regardless of the targets- prove he indeed blocked a kill on Gamma. One kill on Kop himself resolves the whole problem.

[Almost50]

@Almost: So what's the value in doing it today? I can understand doing it because you think Gamma's scum, but not the setup theory based reasons.

Exactly! I want to lynch a scumster in exchange of the JK being NK'd tonight. That also gives said JK less targets to guess are going to do the NK.

[Almost50]

The other stuff are "added value" from where I stand. Gamma flipping Scum helps me reread the game at night phase and refine my reads. Him flipping Town should also help me reconsider some of my reads. It's the most informative lynch on the scummiest slot.

[Almost50]

My personal preferred top 3 lynches:

1- Gamma
2- Emerald
3- Gamma Emerald

[Almost50]

Im the town cop...... I can only investigate on odd days though. I investigated Mom night one as she was getting alot of heat,,, She came up as town.
BTW thats why I acted so weird when A50 claimed a guilty...... I knew he couldn't be the cop if I was.... A tracker or a light powered investigator made sense given my role......

You should learn to trust me more. As Scum, I would NEVER fake a guilty. It's as suicidal as it gets.
As Town, I would never do it either unless I'm 95% confident or higher, and I'm seeing the culprit getting away with their guilt if I don't.

I do realize how risky.bad that may look from your own PoV, but I have faith in my ability to read Gamma, and then his reaction to the gambit gave him away so I retracted my guilty.

@Town: If Fuzzy is telling the truth and even if we mislynch today he will self resolve at night.

[Almost50]

I'm happy to go first once everyone, or even just most people, have okayed it.

GO!

Make sure Chicka's next, please.

[Almost50]

like if we assume that each one of my shots corresponds to a scummer and my WW shot was meant for Fuzzy who claimed WW. The SK shot was meant for Dunn. The psn detection was meant for Yurkin/Gamma.

I have a GS and a mafia check left.

Wouldn't that make then

5

shots???

[Almost50]

What is a "GS"?

Gunsmith. He sniffs for fire guns.

[Almost50]

Uh did Nero just stuff up a fake claim or?

~ C

I think so, and he doesn't bother explaining either.

[Almost50]

It was badly phrased but I think Nero was claiming more of a JOAT role with all investigative abilities. Which does not sound BS.


Waiting for clarification on the possible slip though.

He said 4 shots but he counted 5. I exclaimed and he palm-faced.

[Almost50]

I'm an unCC'd investigation role.

So Fuzzy's Odd Night Cop is what? A protective?????

[Almost50]

Actually, Nero's responses are pretty bad. He's not addressing my point although I did ask TWICE.

VOTE: Nero Cain

[Almost50]

I'm an unCC'd investigation role.

So Fuzzy's Odd Night Cop is what? A protective?????

A tow WW. You think he's town?

So you think Fuzzy is scum, but you want us to lynch Chicka and the hydra??

I mean, having 2 lynches lined up is suspicious enough considering we only have one scum to lynch, but accusing someone of being anti-town yet lining up the other 2 lynches is pretty damning, dude.

We lynch Nero, and if he flips Mafia the game ends. If he flips WW then Fuzzy is obviously his partner.

[Almost50]

The claims are all messed up. Nero can't be looking specifically for each Mafia member separately based on their flavour. That would be ridiculous.

If Nero flips WW, then having a Cop who claimed WW himself and can only look for Mafia is pretty damning too. If we have a Cop we should've had a Seer, and the WWs probably tried to kill Gamma on N1

[Almost50]

Well, Fuzzy is claimed WW, seems like I didn't need to talk about that.

So, you think his claiming Cop wasn't enough, so he decided by his own will to out he was also a WW?? Is that what you're suggesting? Because I didn't even see the need for him to go on record that he's the one who killed Dunn at that precise time.

As for why your fake claim doesn't make sense: It gives you exactly one chance to catch exactly one role, yet it gives you 5 actions. I mean, giving someone a 1-shot FBI Agent is silly enough, but giving them a 1-shot FBI Agent + 1-shot Seer + 1-shot Cop is even more ridiculous.

And don't you talk to me about JOAT. A JOAT gets single shot of DIFFERENT TYPES of actions (investigative + Killing + Protective for example).

You're also a very bad liar and it doesn't help you at all. How would Gamma have shot anyone when we now know DUNN did the kill on N1? They're both on the same team, you know.

What I'm thinking here is each of the 3 Mafia has a different killing flavour, and Fuzzy has a 4thkilling flavour. He is a Cop/Vig (which is something I had always thought of putting in my games when I get to actually run my own tailored setups, but I'm just too lazy to actually do all the work).

P-editL So you used up your WW and your Poisoner shots, and still have a Gunsmith and a regular Cop shot? What about the SK shot????

[Almost50]

Am I the only one unclaimed? I'm VT.

[Almost50]

Lynch Fuzzy then mom

Was it not Chicka and the hydra??

[Almost50]

I will hammer whomever. I just want this game over.

[Almost50]

I will hammer whomever. I just want this game over.

Why? I feel like this has been an enjoyable game thus far.

I don't really like this sentiment.

1- Because I'm over-gamed
2- Because even when I'm 100% clear someone would come up with something stupid that involves lynching me as a last resort (i.e. never am cleared until I'm dead).

Now go back and check TFL's suggestion. In what world would I be scum (albeit unlikely)??

If I am active I'm trying to deceive the town.
If I'm not active I'm floating by.
If I lynch scum I'm bussing.
If I lynch Town I'm clearly misleading the town.
If I don't lynch I'm trying to avoid associating myself with the flip.
Even when I claim a TPR .. in AN OPEN SETUP .. and I'm unCC'd .. people would go "I don't trust/believe that claim".

[Almost50]

Reread what I said. I didn't say THIS was an open setup. I said regardless of what I do in any given game and no matter what the setup/circumstances someone will just toss in my name in their lynch pool in some order.

[Almost50]

Hop was n2 with a WW shot.

He's referring to this, which is in NO WAY a clear as it only tells us he's not a WW. Considering TFL claimed WW and is the one who killed Dunn (Mafia) I don't see the relevance of this result AT ALL.

Nero had 4 Checks, one for each killing flavour, so the remaining Mafioso OBVIOUSLY uses a gun (also proven by the flavour of NK).

In fact;

VOTE: Hopkirk

This should be it. Otherwise it's Chicka, but she being on the Gamma wagon and not Assemble's I'm willing to give her the benefit of doubt.

fitz is clear by wagon analysis (in addition to TFL's investigation). He was the second to vote Assembler next to flipped Scum Dunn + his vote on Gamma is what got the wagon going after it had seemingly been stalled.

Mom is cleared by TFL, and by her role. We can just lynch her right now to get that done with, or we can wait for that to be the case tomorrow (which can only happen if Hop flips Town and "Scum" don't kill mom, which is a ridiculous proposition because we would be in a 4-persons MyLo, so lynching mom then gives us a second lynch on the same day).

TFL of course is clear by the kill flavour (that was the Miller for Nero's investigative shots).

Notes: Nero's role is too weak to have been the Town's main investigative role. We could've only got a guilty by mere chance, and there was a chance we got a fake guilty on TFL. That is why we had a Tracker, just in case the Cop got guiltied on N1.

Put another way; Hopkirk is a self-confessed scumster.

While trying to prevent the Gamma lynch he said he would be TRing the whole wagon if Gamma flipped Scum. Myself, fitz & Chicka were on it. TFL & mom + Hop himself were off it. Do the math. Either Hop is the scum who actually implicated himself with that statement, or he is a liability to Town (as proven by his resistance to the Gamma lynch) and Chicka is the last Scum (whom we can lynch tomorrow anyway).

[Almost50]

Hmm let me go check the kill flavours once more

[Almost50]

Gamma kills with Poison. Nobody dies of Poison.

Kokichi was killed by knives. Dunn kills with Knives.

Tracker clears Chicka

Dunn killed by a WW. TFL claimed that.

Kop was shot.

Tracker clears Hopkirk

Also Townsville shot.

So the Tracker on Chicka means nothing, actually, but the one on Hopkirk clears him.

VOTE: Chickadee

I honestly totally missed the Tracker results and was mostly concerned with TFL & Neri results. My bad.

[Almost50]

EVEN if this fails, we obviously win.

TFL (

kills ME

). He probably gets shot too, but whatever. Next day lynch mom based on TFL results.

P.S. The last Mafioso can choose to concede now and save us the trouble if they would be so kind to consider it?

Wait! Why don't we try this: Test Mom's claim --> Scum flip = we win. If Town we get to lynch Chicka. I mean, that would be ignoring TFL's clear on mom, but he himself brought up the GF possibility.

And just in case both flip Town today we go into the night as me, fitz, TFL & Hop, and -obviously- TFL kills me still (and the Town loses, but I can't help it).

Note: In the second scenario it doesn't help if TFL didn't kill, because he will be killed and in a 3-player LyLo between Hop/fitz/A50 I'm the only one with no clear on them.