Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[nancy]

My fullclaim is:

Spiffeh didn't try to build a wonder and didn't no build D1 (no priority)
Ditto by me D2 (no priority)
I tried for parity cop D3
I tried for neighborhood wonder D4

[nancy]

Vote: nancy

Just saw there was another niehgborhood wonder last night. That's 2 she "passed" up on.

Makes me think she already has one, and that it is not beneficial to town.

? Have you even read my posts?

[nancy]

Vote: nancy

Just saw there was another niehgborhood wonder last night. That's 2 she "passed" up on.

Makes me think she already has one, and that it is not beneficial to town.

If she had a neighborhood wonder she would be CC'd from her VT claim.

no, she claimed to have day2 tried to get Masoleum, "blowing her wad", so to speak, and then nothing since.

Put that way, you try to get the next 'hood wonder. Or the next.

She indicated she did not.

Clearly not

[nancy]

That Red Fort theory is kind of weird but it kind of something I see nancy building.

I would've taken it in 0/10 worlds, your understanding of me is lacking.

[nancy]

not claiming.

Yes you are.

[nancy]

Spoiler:

And yes, I think Gorkington is very likely scum,

as I have already stated since

.

since when??

In like my third post today.

I am running into the same problem as in backstabbers

The lies are so ridiculous I just can't believe them.

I had proof RC wasn't PGO and on other sites that is a guilty.
I have proof you are asking insane questions and very likely have a shitfest wonder.

The likely answer is you are scum Vecna especially combined with play and VCA.

YOU LOST THAT GAME FOR TOWN WITH YOUR SHIT PLAY THIS IS WHY SCUM WOULD NEVER KILL YOU BECAUSE YOU ENDGAME TOWN FOR THEM THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO DO ANYTHING YOU DO ALL THE WORK FOR THEM

Notice is scumreading you actually.

People won't cooperate *shrug* they think I'm scum

By people you mean Jae.

Last post by Jae says Jae scumreads you.

They've interacted with me since. Their SR was OMGUS.

Like come the fuck on guys there's so much locktown in this game that it's gross that we're still having issues

I am beating my head against a wall.

nancy is a liar. Again.

zzzz how am I a liar?

nancy is an outed liar lynch nancy.

She said she went for broke for neighborhood wonder and is now saying she never tried to build it.

smh

What if nancy was reaction testing? Or trying to WIFOM scum?

Neither. I said I went for neighborhood wonder aka Great Zimbabwe and didn't get it. They somehow interpreted that as I went for Mausoleum or something.

To me, those posts say the say thing?

The neighborhood wonder is Alisae's she never went for broke on it. She could have tried for the D4 wonder but it isn't possible to go for broke. She did other things. She lied.

lolololol you're so fucking conf!biased holy shit. I wish there was a size 500 facepalm smiley.

nancy is trying to out who got the neighborhood wonder.

Holy shit Math. YOU ARE ADVOCATING A MASSCLAIM.

why are you scumreading me
why did you imply that you were scumreading me before when your ISO indicates the contrary

i have good reasons for not wanting to claim here.
why would i imply otherwise when it clearly draws attention to myself?

I'm not necessarily scumreading you. I'm considering you one of the likeliest scums by PoE. We are massclaiming because it is either MyLo or 1 ML from MyLo.

jfc this thread

VOTE: Gorkington

[nancy]

We're not lynching anyone without claims.

[nancy]

do you really think youre going to lynch me with that?

With what? Are you trying to goad me or something? Lol.

[nancy]

Nancy why aren't you voting me and what do you think of all the players that are piggybacking on the "RC is bussing Nero so lets lynch Nero!"

Because I'm not convinced you're scum, whereas 15396 is an obvscum reaction. My vote stays on Gorkington idgaf.

[nancy]

theres nothing about nancy's engagement with today thats town.

Careful dude, your obvscum is showing.

[nancy]

Gork if you'd actually read my posts you'd know you were my only TR who wasn't locktown. Not hard to see the connection between 'scum in my Towns' and 'Gork scum'.

[nancy]

if anyone reads your ISO, youre literally fucked because theres literally nothing in there that makes how you started this push look okay.

Curses! I voted someone I think is scum! I am undone! Your OMGUS was pretty special, btw.

[nancy]

hey when i get worried about my reads being wrong, i usually drop my lowest townread to my strongest scumread too.
thats definitely a real thing that people do.

So am I not reevaluating or am I actually meaningfully changing my reads? You should probably make up your mind here dude because it sorta seems like you're posturing.

[nancy]

Nancy can I persuade you to take the rolestopper and target me?

Uh to what purpose? And no, I don't have priority so whatever I went for I wouldn't get it.

[nancy]

You're right, it's gg, because Town is going to win and I am going to be standing over the corpses of every goddamn scum here by Day 8.

Gork if you are somehow Town and you actually somehow feel good about your SR on me then you need to rethink this game. Tell me why scum!me would come in and WK the fuck out of you at like L-2 when your ML would've ended the day extremely early and given Town zero information. The only possible way for me to be scum is with you.

Nero I'm sorry but there is no way you are not getting lynched today after saying you are going for the vig because with your reads I guarantee you will lose Town the game regardless of your alignment.

[nancy]

Dunno but if anyone gets vig they should shoot me.

No one is shooting you or any Town at this point.

[nancy]

Nero I'm sorry but there is no way you are not getting lynched today after saying you are going for the vig because with your reads I guarantee you will lose Town the game regardless of your alignment.

So....whats the story now? I mean at the end of yesterday and today I was being pushed as scum that was getting bussed by RC but now you guys (Ali, you, Leon) don't want me to shoot him? Now my READ on him is bad? What made you start to town read RC?

Where did I say I townread RC? I don't know who you're going to shoot, but your scumpool consists almost entirely of my locktowns.

[nancy]

Haven't had time to grok stuff yet, and I don't yet have the info I need from people. I'm also disturbed by something that I can't mention without influencing it.

[nancy]

My read on you is that you're trying to lynch scum.

[nancy]

Today's wonders are not awesome, they completely suck. Neighborhood wonder was awesome. Away from MS access for 12ish hrs starting now.

[nancy]

TMI: I lied about being no access because here I am on the toilet with my fone. New meaning to shitposting.

RC I'm scum so I already know your alignment.

Kid lynch pretty much solved it for me.

This is kind of funny to read knowing that you think I'm scum, but yes KidAmn was an information-rich lynch and I have no regrets in pushing it through. I'm nearing 30 pages of VCA and reads analysis in my mod PT, it's kind of hilarious. Everything feels very close together, now. Few missing pieces.

[nancy]

were going into mylo/lylo and youre saying wonders that can save townies SUCK? youre saying wonders that can check people their wonder SUCK?

Are you fucking kidding me?

Youre getting one of them Nancy, dont argue this shit.

Town is going to win. I'm not making a rash decision just because we're on the brink. We're lynching scum today, we're lynching scum tomorrow, and we're scum every goddamn day after until this place is clean.

[nancy]

me/luv taking vig, nancy/leon taking big ben, and caesar going for rolestopper, sure

This, except I go for priority. Keep in mind if there is more than 1 Town in the vig pool we basically autolose.

[nancy]

lol scum are going for me hard

[nancy]

Still catching up but looks like everyone claimed soo

VOTE: Nero

The complete absence of a Leonshade wagon today is hilarious. Notice didn't even vote him despite casing.

[nancy]

LUV is scum btw RC. Go back and look at who has been pushing every ML this game almost. Check out the Vecna powerwagon that there were no whispers of the next day. Ditto with Leonshade. Leon is 100% Town.

[nancy]

LUV's progression on me from yesterday to today is also scum central.

[nancy]

No, LUV. You went from scumlean nancy to pushing my ml. There's no way you SR me here after 1875.

[nancy]

No, LUV. You went from scumlean nancy to pushing my ml. There's no way you SR me here after 1875.

Noooo stop this now nancy

You realize I was scum before I was forced replaced out? I wasn't trying to read your alignment, I was reading how you were reacting to me because I know you're a good player and it showed that game.

You're taking to me as if you know I'm town, my dude.

[nancy]

Hey I was the one who pulled that ML off mbg!!

[nancy]

nancy is scum because
1) botched claim

You misinterpreted my claim. There is nothing "botched" about it.

2) replace out was NAI if anything scum aligned because he hated how he was scumread. Multiple scum have replaced out when I've pressured them.

If you honestly believe that SPIFFEH replaced out because you pressured him (I have no idea if that is even what happened) then you are delusional.

3) VCA

Faulty.

4) Lack of consistency multiple times when discussing reads

Indicates that I've been trying to figure my shit out, not that I'm scum.

5) Case on Yuri.

What case on Yuri and how does this mean that I'm scum? You were scumreading the slot.

6) Vecna D1 wagon (only applies if Vecna scum)

How does a Vecna wagon make me scum exactly?

You've got nothing on me Math. This Town is bad but it's not bad enough to lynch me.

[nancy]

Math, just talk to me. Stop for a second and pull yourself out of your narrative and talk to me.

[nancy]

me/luv taking vig, nancy/leon taking big ben, and caesar going for rolestopper, sure

This, except I go for priority. Keep in mind if there is more than 1 Town in the vig pool we basically autolose.

When we can prove scum took neighborizer there is a 0% chance of you not being lynched because then we know scum don't have the first vig as I know suspect they don't.

Stop being survivalistic.

Name the scum team.

I'm still catching up btw, not totally up to date on thread. If you want me to guess at the scumteam, I can.


{Aslan, Caesar, Cowbells, Leonshade, MathBlade, Notice, PV} - locktown
{Creature, Vecna}
{}
{} - null
{Gorkington}
{}
{CK, davesaz, LUV, Nero} - lockscum

One of my Towns might be scum. Creature would be the likeliest candidate, if I had to pick one.

My best guess at a team: {CK, davesaz, Gorkington, LUV, Nero}

[nancy]

Math, just talk to me. Stop for a second and pull yourself out of your narrative and talk to me.

About?

About the game. About your read on me. Whatever you need to help you see what you're missing here.

[nancy]

Why would that team give two conf towns in Creature and Maxous nancy?

I don't know, and that's why I had davesaz as locktown before. But Creature is so far from his scum meta here that I don't know who else to put in there. I'm working off my locktowns and I'm finding it really hard to see scum!Vecna.

[nancy]

Whats your scum case on me now? Like at the end of the day it was "RC is scum and bussing Nero" so what is it now?

The Maxous kill made me realize I was wrong in several places. RC's play today also makes absolute zero sense as scum. If there's one read I would bank this entire game on, it's town!RC. I was wrong about LUV being Town, I was wrong about your AtE flipout, and that's the only reason I was TRing you.

[nancy]

Gork if you are somehow Town and you actually somehow feel good about your SR on me then you need to rethink this game. Tell me why scum!me would come in and WK the fuck out of you at like L-2 when your ML would've ended the day extremely early and given Town zero information. The only possible way for me to be scum is with you.

talk at me about this nancy.
like.

im really trying to think about how your play and your claim can reconcile with you being town here.
and i can kind of see a way for the latter,
but not really the former.

like, talk at me about what about my play made you think that i was snowing you?
specifics would be ideal.
help me understand where that read was coming from.

You feel like coasting scum, and your comment about me lynching you just felt like scum who thinks it's on the verge of winning the game. And unless I'm wrong on one or more of my Towns, I don't know where else to fit you except as scum. Does that answer your question?

[nancy]

Whats your scum case on me now? Like at the end of the day it was "RC is scum and bussing Nero" so what is it now?

The Maxous kill made me realize I was wrong in several places. RC's play today also makes absolute zero sense as scum. If there's one read I would bank this entire game on, it's town!RC. I was wrong about LUV being Town, I was wrong about your AtE flipout, and that's the only reason I was TRing you.

<3

But if you're scum pocketing me I will never trust you ever

You know better than anyone that this can't be my scumgame.

[nancy]

I've played more games with RC than any other player. I've played marathon games with him where I was scum and he saw through it instantly because I just suck, I cannot fake emotion, I cannot fake scumhunting, I just suck.

[nancy]

Any scumteams with me and Dave and Creature are complete shit.

I agree with this and it was a consensus yesterday.

Maybe I'm wrong on dave. It's mostly PoE that puts him there. I really have nowhere else to look with so many locktowns. But I'm not wrong on Nero.

[nancy]

@rc

,
i looked over nancy's ISO in 1875 to get a general sense of her tone,
but im not really sure im gonna get much from it without comparing it to her play early on in the game and thats just not happening tonight.

i will say that i can buy that townNancy wifoms her reads based on you/her faking scumreads on each other, just
would she not be able to do those kinds of things as scum too?
i think i remember her saying that she has no scumgames onsite, so im just kind of weirded out that youre so absolutely confident this is her towngame when her scumgame could be just as good.
she really does strike me as the kind of player that would be able to dig down and fake things that normal scum cant, if that makes sense.

how can you be so confident that this isnt scumNancy without having played with scumNancy before?

i know youre just going to say tone to me
and it probably means i should sit down and read more
zzzzz

See posts like this make me want to sort you as Town. But you're literally fighting with hard TRs and locktowns here in my PoE, and I don't know what to do about that.

[nancy]

Who is your "logically Town" nancy?

@nancy

@nero

What do you mean by logically?

[nancy]

Why would that team give two conf towns in Creature and Maxous nancy?

I don't know, and that's why I had davesaz as locktown before. But Creature is so far from his scum meta here that I don't know who else to put in there. I'm working off my locktowns and I'm finding it really hard to see scum!Vecna.

If you are putting a logically Town read as scum then would you think you are wrong somewhere?

Ignore for a second interactions.

Write out your logically Town.

Put down who is left.

RC cannot be scum because scum!RC simply does not ever whiteknight me like this when lynching me very likely wins the game for scum. Scum!RC also doesn't replace in and tunnel one slot and only one slot. So RC is Town. Aslan is Town because I believe that I can read their game. Caesar is Town depending on whether LUV is Town because he has been pushing LUV and if LUV is scum then Caesar cannot be scum given Caesar's anti-bus stance. You are Town because of what happened with the hydra and Titus's replace out. PV is Town because it's the simplest answer in a game where scum haven't been bussing at all it doesn't make sense that they would kill one of their own, even though if PV hadn't been killed I would be SRing the slot by it's content.

Notice is Town because every single time I have tested them by scumreading them, they have OMGUS SRed me and I haven't felt that their emotion in that was faked. They pulled off a Leonshade lynch simply due to OMGUS. I don't believe that scum!Notice makes that play. Leonshade is Town because of the way that there has been no pressure on Leonshade at all today. Scum have been picking mislynches and they picked Leonshade yesterday. Same as they picked ABR/Vecna. Same as they've picked me today.

As far as Vecna goes, there's so much stuff he's done this game that is really really bizarre but there are just things about his play that I really struggle to reconcile coming from scum. The way he was pushing so hard for a Leonshade lynch near EoD yesterday, for instance. For Vecna to be scum he has to basically believe that he is completely invincible this game and has to be a complete show-off and braggart. He also just seems so confused a lot of the time, even if there are glimmers occasionally to the contrary.

I don't have a reason to TR Creature except the meta I've been given and the parity result. If davesaz is Town, then unless Vecna is scum then Creature is Town. But I'm not convinced that davesaz is Town. He hasn't been around. He hasn't done anything to help Town. I have no reason at all to TR him except just believing his claim.

Logically speaking if davesaz is scum then Creature would also be scum. If that were the case, I would pull Gorkington out of the scumteam and put Creature in there. CK I know wouldn't be voting me right now, he knows what my scumgame looks like better than nearly anyone here and he also knows my Town game pretty well. I have no way to reconcile that with town!CK. LUV, as I've stated, has behaved towards me as if he knows I'm Town despite claiming to scumread me. He's also voted yae to resolutions that would clearly favor scum.

[nancy]

Gotta get into class be back later.

[nancy]

davesaz is logically the same alignment as Creature. I don't know which. I think the NK on Maxous makes sense from scum!davesaz. He's the only one except RC and Caesar who makes that NK imo.

[nancy]

LUV you were trying to convince an SR that you are trying to lynch that you are Town. That is not explainable Town behavior. You also do not SR me in this game after seeing me firsthand in 1875.

[nancy]

i feel like its kind of an exaggeration to say that im coasting?
like
my early play sure, but i dont feel like that makes sense at this point?

i guess it makes sense in context of you having a lot of townreads, im just really confused why i dropped to your lowest read
when youre establishing now that you have stronger reads now?
zzzzz

Maybe an exaggeration. You aren't coasting at the moment, you seemed to be before. Like, I pulled that deathwagon off you and then it just felt like you kinda disappeared for most of the rest of the day.

[nancy]

Like nancy this was my notes on you in Death Trap

nancy subs in
Oh this is the player so and so told me about
I should hard town read them and attempt to buddy

--

That was it. I wasn't trying to read you.

I don't think that means you don't know what my Town game looks like? You knew that I was Town and therefore could recognize every little behavior pattern right from the start as coming from Town. You should've been pretty familiar with it by the time you replaced out.

[nancy]

Yes I know what it's like but you have done some scummy things. Those outweigh meta and as you said, meta is unreliable!

What have I done that's scummy? Actually, forget scummy, Town can be scummy just like they can be anti-town. What have I done that's scum indicative? There is no case on me except conf!bias. Meta is not reliable, but to ignore it entirely is foolish and not in the spirit of the quote in my sig.

[nancy]

Who is your scum team BaeReed?

Not entirely sure. I don't do so well at doing associations (when I do pre-flips I almost always end up lynching town or causing town to be lynched) than I do individual scumreads then I work from there with VCA after a scum flip to find who to look at next. Then I look at their behaviour around the scumfirm. I'm missing that puzzle piece here. Individual scumreads are Vecna, Leonshade (maybe, but not paired with Nero), Nero (maybe but I have reservations for certain reasons I can't describe so we'll call those reservations gut for now), nancy (I always misread her though so I'm not sure, and I don't think she's partnered with Leon).

So I guess more likely there is Vecna/Nero/nancy/x/x? With the x's most likely being in my not lock towns somewhere?

You're scumreading me? Please reset and go through your reasoning again here, Notice. There is no possible chance of me being scum with Nero, for starters.

[nancy]

Then link me to the posts in your ISO?

[nancy]

You're scumreading me? Please reset and go through your reasoning again here, Notice. There is no possible chance of me being scum with Nero, for starters.

There's actually no way that I can be scum with Leonshade or Vecna, either.

[nancy]

I said at the start of the day that we're lynching Nero today, and I reaffirmed it when he said he was going for vig. I'm currently voting for him.

pedit because I was pushing Vecna's lynch Day 2 when he was at like L-2 before I switched to ABR. I wouldn't even push a lynch on a scumbud if I were scum. I think I'm even more anti-bus than you?

[nancy]

I'm also half suspecting Gork may have done the kill if he's scum just by the way people piled onto that wagon.

Gorkington (7): Leonshade, Vecna, MathBlade, Lil Uzi Vert, davesaz, Nero Cain, CloudKicker

I'm scumreading all of the back half of that wagon, with LUV and davesaz as the only two with any real chance of being Town.

If he did do the kill, it means he was probably VT at that point, which means he'd likely have picked up a wonder yesterday. That in turn means that his "joke" Leaning Tower claim actually makes sense if you believe that davesaz and Creature are Town, that Nero doesn't have Great Wall.

[nancy]

If davesaz and Creature are Town that points towards scum!Caesar, which completely makes sense given that scum have not been bussing all game.

{Caesar, CK, Gorkington, LUV, Nero}

[nancy]

I might be conf!biasing on that, I don't know. It would certain make a lot of pieces fit, though.

[nancy]

How does Dave+Creature town mean Caesar scum?

It doesn't mean it definitively but it points towards it. Mostly by PoE. Caesar has looked bad in VCA to me for a long time too but I've just been ignoring it because of Aslan's insistence that he's Town.

{Aslan, Cowbells, Leonshade, MathBlade, Notice}

Those are my locktowns. What we have left is {Caesar, Creature, davesaz, PV, Vecna}. If we assume Creature and davesaz are Town, we're left with {Caesar, PV, Vecna}. Occam's razor suggests that PV isn't scum, and there is far more Town in Vecna's play than Caesar's, so Caesar is it. Everything that's happened in thread so far also makes sense with scum!Caesar more than anyone else.

[nancy]

If you want to town read Ali and Notice off silly things then last scum by your PoV would be Leon.

If you knew Notice you'd know that their fullclaim makes them practically conftown. It does in my eyes, at least. If you call reading Aslan based on their entire ISO silly, then I don't know what to say to you. And if Leonshade is scum, tell me why scum randomly decided to hardbus him yesterday and make him the major wagon for the vast majority of the day.

[nancy]

Vecna how have I been buddying Nero.... I don't know where you've come up with this SR on me but if you knew anything about my meta you'd know that I am thoroughly anti-bus and explicitly cannot be on a team with Caesar, CK or Leon as I have hard pushed each of those slots.

[nancy]

Vecna's gone off the deep end.

[nancy]

nancy -- Vecna scum do you see it now?

I can see a world where Vecna is scum but it's still a very far-away one. Need to do more work in PT to see if I can make sense of it, there was a point in this game where I was scumreading him so I have to go back and look at what that was I suppose and reason out the read all over again. He's not locktown, but I'm still TRing him. I have no idea what is going on with his progression right now.

[nancy]

The point I'm making to you Math is that you have to question everything and run through every scenario.

The point I'm making to nancy that is I'm literally not scum and that from her PoV it has to be PV.

Fixed. Doesn't make you Town.

[nancy]

Why is ceasar lock-town in this? And how can you be so certain about Davesaz?

The simplest solution is often the best one. Aslan has seen Caesar sans flavorposting, and I trust Aslan with near complete confidence to read Pine correctly. The only thing that makes me hesitate there is that Aslan said Pine hadn't posted much and was talking about IRL stuff. davesaz is explained in future posts as you will no doubt find.

[nancy]

Math would you please mind not using words like "insane" or "crazy" in games with me? It's a little triggering for me, sorry. Thanks.

[nancy]

I don't see why you and nancy are talking as if they are current ones?

I don't think he's read up.

[nancy]

Math would you please mind not using words like "insane" or "crazy" in games with me? It's a little triggering for me, sorry. Thanks.

Sure my apologies. Would ridiculous work?

Apology accepted, not a big deal. Anything not related to mental health works. Ridiculous, absurd, nonsense, whack, etc.

[nancy]

Nancy talk to me about the following; What happened to the great zimbabwe? Im only here scumreading you because of that inconsistency. Like, did scum just go all in just to frame you? It doesnt make sense.....I can totally see the great wall being on Nero. ugh.

I cannot see a scenario where they have a plausible way to get both vigs, and can dedicate everything to frame you for a mislynch today.

What inconsistency? How is me not getting Zimbabwe a frame? I wouldn't be surprised if scum went for it, that wonder was fucking imbalanced as hell.

[nancy]

I think the latter but I also think someone with low prio needs to attempt to build Forbidden Palace. nancy if you don't want anything else that would be a huge help.

You don't think scum got it? Like I've been assuming that they have it and that's why we have to be so careful about naming who is getting what and doubling up on build attempts.

[nancy]

My issue at this point is that I'm running out of potential scum slots.

I honestly am starting to think it's not impossible that Peregrine is actually scum

Same.

[nancy]

Peregrine is hard defending Nero atm by the way. I don't think it's implausible that scum saw how widely townread Drixx was for it and thought they could WIFOM hard enough to keep town alive?

It's been working at any rate given the lack of scum lynches

Except that PV has basically been a non-presence in this game.

[nancy]

RC unless you insist I'm not going to risk attempting to build the IC wonder and losing prio on tomorrow when scum almost assuredly already have it. Caesar doesn't fakeclaim as Town.

[nancy]

I can't be on a scum team with Cloud for obvious reasons, for the record.

What obvious reasons?

[nancy]

What are our claims so far? Who didn't claim besides scumslots?

[nancy]

I can't be on a scum team with Cloud for obvious reasons, for the record.

What obvious reasons?

Cloud would not be interacting with me the way he has been doing if we were scum together. Period.

Elaborate..?

[nancy]

I will not. Just trust me here.

Took you a while to bring it up. I have no reason to trust you.

[nancy]

LUV if you want to prove that you're Town you should get Big Ben and cop someone for a guilty.

[nancy]

OK. But to be frank I'd rather follow RC's plans.

[nancy]

This game is absolutely amazing and a total abomination at the same time.

Yes.

[nancy]

Gorkington didn't claim btw. Nor did CK.

[nancy]

I think scum are just picking off the docs so they can kill dave.

No need when they can just roleblock him.

[nancy]

What are our claims so far? Who didn't claim besides scumslots?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

That is fucking beautiful.

[nancy]

What are our claims so far? Who didn't claim besides scumslots?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

That is fucking beautiful.

I has sads how you think google drive is beautiful but I build bbcode program in excel and nope

I never saw your excel!

[nancy]

What did I tell you guys. What did I fucking say when LUV says it's gg. Town is going to win this goddamn game. There is no fucking way we can lose with this many locktowns.

[nancy]

Big Ben can cop RC.

Waste of a night action. Big Ben should be leashed onto a scumslot or Caesar.

[nancy]

Caesar could take Big Ben then? I don't think any scum slot is going to want Big Ben so low priority shouldn't matter there.

[nancy]

I was preferring to no build to wait for priority tomorrow. RC & LUV go for vig, Leonshade goes for rolestop. Scum are either going for the strongarm or Bolshoi I imagine.

[nancy]

Sounds great.

[nancy]

Caesar: Big Ben leashed to me
LUV & RC: Ruhr leashed to Vecna's planned target
Leonshade: Brandenburg leashed to Vecna's planned target

That confirms that neither Caesar nor I are lying scum and prevents scum from blocking us from the strongarm.

[nancy]

Well the point of Caesar specifically with Big Ben is that it townfirms him. Scum have to choose between blocking him and blocking whomever goes for the rolestop. They either allow a townfirm or they allow a doc.

[nancy]

Furthermore this plan doesn't actually do that if both of you are scum. Plans should be people agnostic right now except to listen.

Not possible for us to be scum together after I pushed the Caesar team a couple days ago, but as you wish.

[nancy]

If he's leashed to me it kinda does townfirm him, because it means that he legitimately didn't get the IC wonder, and I don't think Pine makes that dumb of a gambit as scum.

pedit well it's just about my and Caesar's philosophy about the game. We're both extremely anti-bus. It's not even just meta, it goes beyond that.

[nancy]

Am not arguing either way ftr, just explaining my thought process while I wait for Vecna's plan.

[nancy]

Well I look forward to backing up my anti-bus philosophy with a long MS career of never bussing ala Thor (:

[nancy]

I'm like 90% sure Gorkington is just Leaning Tower.

[nancy]

OK that's an exaggeration but if he's scum he 100% took Leaning Tower.

[nancy]

Vecna, town!Caesar would not claim to go for the IC wonder then not go for it, and I very much doubt scum!Caesar would not claim to go for the IC wonder and get it, the only conclusion to be made here is that Caesar is Town and scum have the IC wonder. Besides, there are better ways to check Caesar than for me to go for the IC wonder. I'd really prefer to no build as per my agreement with Math and wait for a better set of wonders next era.

[nancy]

OK, rest well Vecna!! <3 <3

[nancy]

We're not going to lose.

[nancy]

I think for the game as a whole - having a guarantee that scum have the wonder will be so usefull, since then they cannot lie and claim they were blocked by Forbidden palace while we cannot even be sure if they have it.

That's why I think it's good to give Caesar a confirmable role! But go rest, go rest!

[nancy]

But nero aint gonna flip town ~ (I hope )

Scum already overplayed their hand by trying to strongarm my lynch. Except that I just

don't. get. mislynched

. Nero ain't ever flipping Town.

[nancy]

....no comment.

I ain't ever been mislynched babe. Newbies don't count.

[nancy]

Math where is the vig shot being leashed?

[nancy]

OK but he's flipping scum.

[nancy]

I think like 2 people said that you were getting bussed Nero?

Anyway waiting to see Math's plan.

[nancy]

CK replacing out is kind of obvscum :/

[nancy]

Yuri (9): Lil Uzi Vert, Akane and Nebby, Vecna, Spiffeh, beeboy, Fro99er, The DEO, Nero Cain, Leonshade
beeboy (4): ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Yuri, Albert B. Rampage
Vecna (2): Caesar Wills It, NoticeMeSenpai
davesaz (1): Creature
Sondam (1): Drixx
ssbm_Kyouko (1): Maxous
NoticeMeSenpai (1): Elbirn

Not Voting (2): davesaz, Sondam

That's the Day 1 wagon, Math. LUV leading it as usual. Nero taking up the rear as usual. Same mislynch wagon we've seen all game. Most scum stay off the mislynches and shade the Town that were on them.

[nancy]

The SSBM wagon has at most two scum on it (assuming Nero is scum). This makes the Cloudkicker replacement likely town.

Please don't make conclusive assessments like this Math. VCA isn't foolproof and shouldn't be used as if it is.

[nancy]

The SSBM wagon has at most two scum on it (assuming Nero is scum). This makes the Cloudkicker replacement likely town.

Please don't make conclusive assessments like this Math. VCA isn't foolproof and shouldn't be used as if it is.

ssbm_Kyouko (6): Yuri, Maxous, Creature, Nero Cain, Albert B. Rampage, PeregrineV

This is based on facts though.

Yuri is confirmed town.
Maxous is confirmed town.
ABR is confirmed town.

This means Creature, Nero, or PV are the only potential scum on that wagon. These are facts. Why are you arguing with facts?

I'm not arguing with facts. I don't think your conclusion from them that CK is Town is correct.

[nancy]

Oh I forgot I did get mislynched that once when I kinda gamethrew.

[nancy]

Yea that doesn't count.

[nancy]

Vecna doesn't look terrific in VCA, that's for sure. Neither does Caesar. But I think they're both more likely to be Town than not. I've seen scum!LUV voting with a Town slot before like this and it made me suspicious of a slot who turned out to be Town.

[nancy]

I don't draw anything conclusive from VCA. I use it to supplement. Things may point this way or that but I'm not going to switch a read just for VCA.

[nancy]

@BaeReed what do you make of this majority likely town wagon on KidAmn and RC, LUV, and nancy on the speed end.

Don't want to be rude by butting in but what you're missing here is that I organized that KidAmn wagon almost from start to finish. I was trying to push off it to CK before deadline but it wasn't happening so we just lynched KidAmn. Looking at it like RC, LUV, and me on the speed end is just taking it out of context.

What do you think nancy about why Vecna wasn't killed?

Because Vecna's wonder is useless on Town and Maxous was optimal.

@nancy why did you not shift a lot when Maxous was killed?

I shifted very drastically.

pedit yes

[nancy]

Please don't shade me for pushing the KidAmn wagon, Math. You were pushing it as well as you thought it was flipping scum just like I did.

[nancy]

There just wasn't any other wagon happening at that point. People were locked in to their wagons and weren't budging. I tried to get things moving on strong SRs of mine but it was futile.

[nancy]

There just wasn't any other wagon happening at that point. People were locked in to their wagons and weren't budging. I tried to get things moving on strong SRs of mine but it was futile.

I agree with the thought but why not announce intent?

Didn't think it mattered. I'd already orchestrated a fake hammer on him and went through a fake twilight without anything happening so it just seemed pointless. You think I should have?

[nancy]

viewtopic.php?t=70532&f=51&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

My first scum game just completed, Math. Anyone who reads that ISO and legitimately thinks there is any fucking possible world where I am scum in this game needs to reevaluate their brain.

[nancy]

Who cares where the votes fall it's about the why and what said person was doing at the time

you say that but you don't care that half the people (the whole scum team) don't have a reason for why I'm scum. lol

I just want this game to be over lol

So bus your scumbuds and let's end it.

[nancy]

Leonshade is V/LA and has already sent in a build request for Brandenburg I believe.

I'd rather not go for vig?

[nancy]

Why is the vig leashed on Gork and not you?

[nancy]

Dave >> Parity cop LUV and myself.

Why this?

[nancy]

So then we dayvig you? They can't block the results if you're dayvigged.

[nancy]

Actually it makes no sense for them to block you. They have to block davesaz.

[nancy]

They have to choose between one townfirm from you or double guilty/townfirm from davesaz.

[nancy]

I highly doubt they're going to block you over davesaz. Vig should be leashed to you with a scumflip.

[nancy]

It's impossible for you and davesaz to both get blocked. If you both got blocked Creature would have to be scum, which would make davesaz scum, ergo davesaz wouldn't have been blocked unless Town had the Leaning Tower, which we don't.

[nancy]

There's no world in which scum block you over davesaz tonight. Blocking you would out davesaz and Creature as scum.

[nancy]

Alisae - neighborhood
Nero Cain - VT
MathBlade - oracle
Leonshade - VT
Gorkington - ?
Creature - rb
RadiantCowbells - VT
Caesar Wills It - VT
Lil Uzi Vert - VT
Vecna - redirector
CloudKicker - ?
davesaz - parity
NoticeMeSenpai - doc
nancy - VT

[nancy]

Oracle is the name I know the role by.

[nancy]

I don't have the time to dedicate to doing VCA right now, I want to spend time with my girlfriend after catching up here.

Are you caught up yet?? :/

[nancy]

Hi davesaz. I know RC's meta better than nearly anyone except Postie. He's not scum. Bye.

[nancy]

If we're not going with Vecna's plan, I'll just pick the wonder RC wants me on.

Vig leashed to Math.

-RC

[nancy]

I know RC's meta better than nearly anyone except Postie. He's not scum.

See earlier you were calling this his scum meta. Kinda giving off conflicting stories there.

That's the thing about people you know how to read. Even if you get it wrong at first, enough content and you'll read them correctly.

[nancy]

I stated he shoots NANCY if he gets it. If nero flips town, NANCY is confirmed scum.

Um.. no?

[nancy]

shush

[nancy]

RC pls tell Leonshade to get the vig and leash him correctly.

[nancy]

We need a backup for the vig also.

[nancy]

LUV's going for Big Ben apparently.

[nancy]

lol

[nancy]

So Vecna how am I confscum if Nero is Town?

[nancy]

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[nancy]

Can we just fucking lynch Nero already

[nancy]

it would be much easier if LUV just agreed to play ball.

LUV doesn't give a damn.

[nancy]

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[nancy]

Honestly anyone who is actually considering that I may be scum this game just needs to forfeit the right to have any reads.

[nancy]

Except your Town and scum meta are objectively similar.

[nancy]

I'm honestly just going to start assuming that anyone who tries to push a scumread on me is scum because the only other alternative is that they are completely daft and not fit to play mafia.

[nancy]

Except your Town and scum meta are objectively similar.

Nahhhhhhhhh

Yehhhhhhhhhhhhh

[nancy]

Then tell me why I read your scum games and your Town games and don't see a significant difference

[nancy]

I'm honestly so fucking sick of this game I just want to replace out

[nancy]

If Nero flips town, we are fucked.

He's not flipping Town. If he were Town the Day would be over already. Scum are refusing to bus and Town refuses to lynch him because ~reasons~.

[nancy]

Scum are probably hoping and praying for a no lynch, yes.

[nancy]

Yes, it's very very strange, because it's not the case.

[nancy]

Even if we all wagon Nero that puts him at 7

There are only 5 scum.

[nancy]

Nancy, if Nero flips town - do you think RC pocketed you?

No.

[nancy]

Listen. This is how attuned I am to his scum game. I can read ONE SENTENCE and get an instant lockscum read on him. The only time I get a wrong read is thinking he's scum when he's Town. I have never read his scum game as Town.

[nancy]

Nancy, if Nero flips town - do you think RC pocketed you?

No.

Then who is scum if Nero and RC are town? Alisae/Notice?

Aslan and Notice are locktown.

[nancy]

Ceasar/luv/creature/davesaz/CK?

LUV and Caesar are very very very very unlikely to be scum together. I'm also leaning away from scum!LUV atm.

[nancy]

The only way for Aslan to be scum is for Caesar to be scum. They both have soulreads on each other and would have tried to kill each other by now if only one of them were scum. They're both Town.

[nancy]

I don't think Gorkington is Town, and yes I think PV is likely to be scum at this point.

pedit Caesar is locktown.

[nancy]

You probably saw them before their soulreads on each other had matured.

pedit I don't know Cloud well enough to say

[nancy]

Leonshade ain't scum.

[nancy]

It's not game-related. He's V/LA indefinitely.

[nancy]

It's not game-related. He's V/LA indefinitely.

Weren't you the one originally floating it as AI?

Also I don't think I can watch anything tonight sorry q.q

Yeah before I realized it was OOG. Also bleh T_T it's okay.

[nancy]

Which still comes down to the problem her and Math are having, they're wrong somewhere.

Math's problem, not mine.

[nancy]

If Town gets the vig wonder then this game is solved. We shoot Math, they target presumably davesaz, and suddenly everything is crystal clear.

pedit it's not based on solely Aslan's actions. scum!Caesar proclaiming going for the IC wonder like that doesn't make sense. That's not a gambit that I see coming from Pine.

[nancy]

Maybe, I just don't see Pine going for cheap tricks like that. If he had someone with priority to take the wonder he would've just taken it, not made a hoo-ha about taking it himself and risking the negative attention of failing when he didn't get it.

[nancy]

The actual foundation of my TR though is proxy through Aslan, and Aslan is locktown for me. I've seen first-hand how instant their read on each other is.

[nancy]

Not to mention I do like to think I have a decent read on Pine myself, and I think there's enough non-flavor in his ISO to read.

[nancy]

I think Leonshade is getting the cop check and I don't think he's dumb enough to waste it on you.

[nancy]

Oh nvm LUV is.

[nancy]

Anyway copcheck is leashed to me afaik. At least that's what Math wanted. Certainly leashed in the VT claims.

[nancy]

Notice.

I am here to confirm your alignment.

You are Town.

[nancy]

Sorry fam

I think either Freedom or Order? I dunno what the courier stuff means.

If Mausoleum topics don't get locked that'd be amazing.

[nancy]

Creature is town.
Math is town.
JaeReed is town.
RC is town.
PV is probs town.

RC isn't Town.

[nancy]

RC is town.

Guess who's going to be the first to vote RC today?

Me.

[nancy]

You're in a hood with Caesar?

[nancy]

Ugh I can't believe Caesar was scumreading me.

[nancy]

Yes, unless scum stole it. When did he go for Zimbambwe?

[nancy]

I don't think there's any way scum get this far without a scum lynch without someone who knows what the fuck they're doing at the helm.

[nancy]

Yes, unless scum stole it. When did he go for Zimbambwe?

I don't remember him going for Ximbabwe

What makes you say thatV

Creature said he went for it.

[nancy]

Btw, I confused Zimbabwe with Forbidden Palace.

By Zimbabwe, I mean't Forbidden Palace.

Oh OK.

[nancy]

Let's not make up our minds so fast and let's please not make today a 1v1. Look where that got us yesterday.

[nancy]

Let's not make up our minds so fast and let's please not make today a 1v1. Look where that got us yesterday.

Who would you lynch if you could?

I want to hear from people first.

[nancy]

I want to see what you think if a Vecna/LUV/Gorkington group exists. nancy is a weaker scumread but has more weight.

No I don't think that's likely at all.

[nancy]

I don't think Vecna or LUV are scum atm. LUV might be scum for the way he's attacked Aslan and Notice but I'm not sure on that and I think he's more likely Town.

[nancy]

The only problem I'm having with a Caesar scum team is that I think Leonshade is scum and Leonshade can't be scum with Caesar.

pedit my lynchpool is RC, Gorkington, Leonshade, CK, Caesar just this second

[nancy]

If Leonshade is Town then I would be very confident in Caesar and RC being scum.

[nancy]

But it's all a mess right now, we need to hear from people.

[nancy]

Can we not focus on any one slot please and try and look at the bigger picture.

[nancy]

Claim, Gorkington.

[nancy]

Can we not focus on any one slot please and try and look at the bigger picture.

Unless you describe what you think that picture is: Namely your scumreads I am going with a no.

@Gorkington Hi! what did you request to build last night? And did you get it?

I'm not talking about /reads/ I am talking about the game. The whole goddamn game.

[nancy]

K. We wait for Leonshade and LUV to claim then.

[nancy]

700 pages is a bit much. You either need to describe the picture that is different from the narrative I proposed or you need to narrow the scope. That is too broad a question.

I don't have any answers. I am saying that tunnelvision will get us nowhere right now. Just like it has gotten us nowhere all game. Yesterday was a horrible example of that.

[nancy]

Depends on what they claim.

[nancy]

I'm not saying you're tunneled right now. But saying stuff like "nancy or Gorkington" today is not helpful. Focusing on specific slots and shutting out everything else is not helpful.

[nancy]

Where I stand is that RC is scum, and once we get claims we can work from there.

[nancy]

Aslan as good as Mausoleum is I think we choose order here. Scum have had daytalk all game and if we take that away from them suddenly that might give us our best chance at lynching scum. And as awesome as these hood wonders are today I don't think anyone has any free slots for them.

VOTE: Order

[nancy]

We know scum has three wonders.

They /probably/ have both vigs, and Leaning Tower, and daytalk, and IC wonder, so I think they are full up on slots. If they somehow didn't take Leaning Tower then they probably took Bolshoi or a different wonder yesterday. I don't think it's likely they have any free slots at this point.

[nancy]

There is also no way they have both vigs from your POV nancy unless PV is scum or it would be GG here.

Cmon nancy.

Unless you scumread PV and believe scum have GZ your world makes no sense.

Why would it be gg?