Open 544: Tit for Tat (Game Over)

[Lucky2u]

Wait sorry, Neil isn't claiming vig.

[Lucky2u]

It's all a little confusing...

[neil1113]

You really didn't get my soft-claim? Sigh... I was claiming Vig. I just didn't want scum to get a heads up and when I realized how obvious I made it, I had to retrace my steps. Now that you keep talking about it, I felt forced to out myself. Thanks a lot.

Even if scum try to kill me tonight, at least I'll get a kill off, I think. I'm thinking either targeting Jon, MTD, or Ank tonight... Whoever would give us the most information for tomorrow if I die as well.

[Titus]

So you are or aren't vig. Final answer please?

[Lucky2u]

Oh... Sorry. I'll just shut up now until tomorrow.

[Lucky2u]

So you are or aren't vig. Final answer please?

Uh... No. This is not a good town question. Why are you asking this? There are no town protective roles that benefit from him answering that for certain.

[jon_h61]

A quick question for Titus. When I started having my back and forth with neil, you mentioned in a vague sort of way that you were changing your opinion of me. The way it was worded didn't sit well with my scumdar. I'd go quote it, but I'm being lazy. Why didn't you (who until then professed that you thought I was Town) question me or try to show me that I was off base? Why didn't you do any digging into finding out if my intentions weren't Town aligned?

@Neil/Ank/MTD/Loran I am feeling a little uncertain about Jon and his unvote then revote. Now he's promising not to talk about his scumread. Was I wrong to townread Jon?

Even though you answered and even asked a few questions, you never pursued them. I'm trying to figure out why you didn't press this question you asked Neil/Ank/MTD/Loran.

[Titus]

The silence was more telling than pushing Jon. I would have expected more fleshed out responses from town, but my recollection has only MTD and Neil answering.

@Lucky, I absolutely do. Best explaimed after Neil answers.

[Titus]

It's not a PR benefit question, it is a scumhunting one.

[Lucky2u]

No. It's vig fishing. Stop it.

[Titus]

No. It's vig fishing. Stop it.

Sort of. If Neil hinted a vig to save himself, but isn't the vig, then he's obvscum. It's pretty clear that is his claim. I don't want weaseling.

[Sakura Hana]

As the sky darkens a single man was brought to the nose, he goes by the name of Loranthaceae who as much as he screamed and yelled it was in vain...
"You are a killer! and you must die!" were the last words Loran heard from the town, from his lifeless corpse nothing was found but just a book on finances... unless you can kill with money, that wasn't much of a threat

Final Vote Count Day 2

Loranthaceae (5) - Titus, Lucky2u, Saki, MTD, neil1113 [LYNCH!]

neil1113 (1) – job_h61
Lucky2u (1) - Ankamius
Ankamius (1) - dopog


Not Voting (1) – Loranthaceae

Loranthaceae

Vanilla Townie

has been lynched Day 2

Deadline for all Night actions is (expired on 2014-02-22 14:42:00)

[Sakura Hana]

Sorry for the delay, for some reason i thought the night ended 2 hours later.

A new dawn appears, and with it again 2 bodies... piled on the town center... you recognize the faces, as you were clearly talking together yesterday... today they are gone, and with them their life, the bodies of neil1113 and MTD lie down on the floor.

neil1113

Vanilla Townie

has been killed Night 2

MTD

Town Backup Rolecop

has been killed Night 2

Day 3 Begins and it will end on (expired on 2014-03-08 16:17:00)

Vote Count 3.0

Not Voting (6) - Saki, Titus, Ankamius, Lucky2u, dopog, jon_h61

With 6 alive it's 4 to lynch.

[Ankamius]

Spoiler:

Vote Count 1.02

Flames of Disaster

(3) -

Tlachta C

,

Captain Picard

, Hopkirk

Captain Picard

(3) - Lincolm,

Flames of Disaster

, No Stone Unturned

Not Voting (6) -

Malakittens

, Celebloki, Saki,

Loranthaceae

, Ibarra,

MTD

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Vote Count 1.04

Flames of Disaster

(5) -

Tlachta C

,

Captain Picard

, Hopkirk, Ibarra,

MTD

[L-2]

Celebloki (2) -

Loranthaceae

, Lincolm

Captain Picard

(1) - No Stone Unturned

Tlachta C

(1) -

Flames of Disaster

Not Voting (3) -

Malakittens

, Celebloki, Saki

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Vote Count 1.05

Flames of Disaster

(5) -

Tlachta C

,

Captain Picard

, Hopkirk, Ibarra,

MTD

[L-2]

Celebloki (3) -

Loranthaceae

, Lincolm, No Stone Unturned

Tlachta C

(2) -

Flames of Disaster

, Celebloki

Malakittens

(1) - Saki

Not Voting (1) –

Malakittens

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Vote Count 1.06

Flames of Disaster

(4) -

Captain Picard

, Hopkirk, Ibarra,

MTD

Celebloki (2) -

Loranthaceae

, No Stone Unturned

Tlachta C

(2) -

Flames of Disaster

, Celebloki

Malakittens

(1) - Saki
Hopkirk (1) - Lincolm

MTD

(1) - Tllachta C

Not Voting (1) –

Malakittens

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Vote Count 1.08

Flames of Disaster

(4) - Hopkirk, Ibarra,

MTD

,

Loranthaceae

Celebloki (2) - No Stone Unturned,

Tlachta C

Tlachta C

(2) -

Flames of Disaster

, Celebloki

Loranthaceae

(1) - Saki
Hopkirk (1) - Lincolm

Not Voting (2) -

Malakittens

,

Captain Picard

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Vote Count 1.09

Flames of Disaster

(5) - Hopkirk, Ibarra,

MTD

,

Tlachta C

, thenewearth [L-2]

Celebloki (2) - No Stone Unturned,

Loranthaceae

Tlachta C

(2) -

Flames of Disaster

, Celebloki

Loranthaceae

(1) - Saki

Not Voting (2) -

Malakittens

,

Captain Picard

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Vote Count 1.14

Flames of Disaster

(2) -

Tlachta C

, thenewearth
Ankamius (2) - No Stone Unturned,

Loranthaceae

Tlachta C

(2) -

Flames of Disaster

, Ankamius

Loranthaceae

(1) - Saki
Hopkirk (1) - Ibarra
Saki (1) -

MTD

Not Voting (3) -

Malakittens

,

Captain Picard

, Hopkirk

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Vote Count 1.19

Flames of Disaster

(4) -

Tlachta C

, thenewearth, Ibarra, Ankamius

Captain Picard

(2) - No Stone Unturned, Hopkirk
Ankamius (1) -

Loranthaceae

Tlachta C

(1) -

Flames of Disaster

Saki (1) -

MTD

Not Voting (3) -

Malakittens

,

Captain Picard

, Saki

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Vote Count 1.19

Zekrom25

(3) -

Tlachta C

, thenewearth, Ibarra

Captain Picard

(3) - No Stone Unturned, Hopkirk, Ankamius
Ankamius (1) -

Loranthaceae

Tlachta C

(1) -

Zekrom25

Saki (1) -

MTD

Not Voting (3) -

Malakittens

,

Captain Picard

, Saki

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Vote Count 1.23

Zekrom25

(4) - thenewearth, Ibarra, Titus,

MTD

Ankamius (3) -

Loranthaceae

, Thalcta C,

Captain Picard

Captain Picard

(2) - Hopkirk, Ankamius

Tlachta C

(1) -

Zekrom25

Not Voting (3) -

Malakittens

, Saki

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch

Vote Count 1.25

Zekrom25

(6) - thenewearth, Ibarra, Titus,

MTD

, Ankamius, Hopkirk [L-1]

Ankamius (3) -

Loranthaceae

, Thalcta C,

Captain Picard

Tlachta C

(1) -

Zekrom25

Not Voting (2) -

Malakittens

, Saki

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Vote Count 1.Final

Zekrom25

(7) - thenewearth, Ibarra, Titus,

MTD

, Ankamius, Hopkirk,

Tlachta C

[LYNCH!]

Ankamius (3) -

Loranthaceae

,

Captain Picard

Titus (1) -

Zekrom25

Not Voting (2) -

Malakittens

, Saki

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Vote Count 2.02

Ankamius (2) -

MTD

, Tlachta C

Tlachta C

(1) -

Loranthaceae

Saki (1) - Titus

Not Voting (5) - Ankamius, Saki, Ibarra, thenewearth, Hopkirk

With 9 Alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count 2.05

Ankamius (3) -

MTD

, Tlachta C, Titus [L-2]

Tlachta C

(2) -

Loranthaceae

. thenewearth

Not Voting (4) - Ankamius, Saki, Ibarra, Hopkirk

With 9 Alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count 2.09

thenewearth (3) -

Tlachta C

, Hopkirk, Titus [L-2]

Tlachta C

(2) -

Loranthaceae

. thenewearth
Ankamius (1) -

MTD

Loranthaceae

(1) - Ankamius

Not Voting (2) - Saki, Ibarra

With 9 Alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count 2.13

Tlachta C

(2) -

Loranthaceae

. thenewearth
Ankamius (2) -

MTD

,

Tlachta C

Loranthaceae

(2) - Ankamius, Titus
thenewearth (1) - Hopkirk

Not Voting (2) - Saki, jon_h61

With 9 Alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count 2.17

Loranthaceae

(3) - Titus, jon_h61,

MTD

neil1113

(2) -

Loranthaceae

. Hayate Yagami
jon_h61 (2) - Ankamius,

neil1113

Hayate Yagami (1) - Hopkirk

Not Voting (2) - Saki

With 9 Alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count 2.18b

neil1113

(4) –

Loranthaceae

, Hayate Yagami,

MTD

, jon_h61

Loranthaceae

(1) - Titus
Hayate Yagami (1) - Hopkirk

MTD

(1) - Ankamius

Not Voting (2) - Saki,

neil1113

With 9 Alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count 2.22

Hayate Yagami (3) -

neil1113

, Ankamius, Saki

neil1113

(3) –Hayate Yagami,

MTD

, jon_h61

Loranthaceae

(1) – Titus
Ankamius (1) dopog


Not Voting (1) –

Loranthaceae

With 9 Alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count 2.23

Hayate Yagami (4) -

neil1113

, Ankamius, Titus, jon_h61

neil1113

(2) –Hayate Yagami,

MTD

Ankamius (1) dopog

Not Voting (1) –

Loranthaceae

, Saki

With 9 Alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count 2.25

Lucky2u (3) - Ankamius, Titus,

neil1113

[L-2]

neil1113

(3) – Lucky2u,

MTD

, jon_h61 [L-2]

Ankamius (1) - dopog

Not Voting (2) –

Loranthaceae

, Saki

With 9 Alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count 2.27

Loranthaceae

(4) - Titus, Lucky2u, Saki,

MTD

[L-1]

neil1113

(1) – job_h61
Lucky2u (1) - Ankamius
Ankamius (1) - dopog

Not Voting (2) –

Loranthaceae

,

neil1113

With 9 Alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Final Vote Count Day 2

Loranthaceae

(5) - Titus, Lucky2u, Saki,

MTD

,

neil1113

[LYNCH!]

neil1113

(1) – job_h61
Lucky2u (1) - Ankamius
Ankamius (1) - dopog


Not Voting (1) –

Loranthaceae

Vote counts with confirmed alignments filled in.

I'll do a thorough analysis soonish. Just wanted this out of the way so I wouldn't have to do it later. Jon_h61 is looking really bad with the quick glance I've seen, though.

@Mod: Spell check the future vote counts please

[jon_h61]

^ I'd say you're putting the conclusion first, then seeing what you can find to try to make the case. I won't go as far as calling it confbias because I'm still unsure of your motives. My gut is telling me you

may

be Town.

Don't even go "boy, I got scum running scared now!". Show us your data and your conclusions and let Town work out what's real and what's not. I refuse to get into another heated debate like yesterday. I see where that got me.

I'm going to go over Ank's entrance into the game, and where I entered to see if I can get a better read on his slot. I'm not going to make any fast and hard reads this early in the Day.

[Lucky2u]

Ah... Nicely done niel! Made it look heavily like you were the vig so you'd get the NK. Thanks for that.

[Titus]

VOTE: No lynch

Out of the weekend.

We are in mylo.

[Saki]

VOTE: No lynch

Out of the weekend.

We are in mylo.

That's assuming that the vig will shoot.

[Saki]

will not shoot*/shoot scum

[Titus]

Yes, Saki. I don't do well with trusting others to make the call. Hence why I am headstrong and yell at everyone to give me what I want. I am working on it.

[Saki]

Yes, Saki. I don't do well with trusting others to make the call. Hence why I am headstrong and yell at everyone to give me what I want. I am working on it.

your "no-lynch to get to lylo" plan only works if the vig doesn't shoot

you aren't making any sense here titus

if you were headstrong and wouldn't trust others to make the call you would push through a lynch for your #1 scumread right here and now because that's the only way to prevent loss by vigderp

[Titus]

Saki, you're seriously questioning whether I am headstrong???

I do also suppose the vig would use common fucking sense and not shoot in mylo if the group agreed to no lynch.

In mylo, the best move is nobody shoots and we force the scums hands.

Out of the group, I don't see any universal townreads. Forcing the scums to tell us who the biggest threat to them is gives us a great angle in scumhunting.

Logic says MTD was one scumkill (I can't see scum shooting the vig implier and the vig shooting the backup rolecop as a fluke). We combine that with who the scum kill today, we should get an idea as to who the scums are.

[Lucky2u]

It seems like that plan could go rather wrong. Especially if the vig is impatient enough to just shoot anyway.

[dopog]

Hi just a quick phone post

Still mulling over whether the no lynch is where I wanna sit.

At this stage I think it's ank and titus

[Lucky2u]

My two strongest scum reads are dead. Clearly I had a terrible grip on this game coming into it. So I'll start with everyone being null to me and try again...

@dopog why those two?