TM 2021 - Black Flag Nightless

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Lilith doesn't have to vote if she doesn't want to and you guys bullying her into taking a stance when she very clearly has been busy with work isn't productive at all

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VOTE: Dkkoba

controversial vote hehe

gonna leave it here while I read a scumgame of yours Koby

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Lilith doesn't have to vote if she doesn't want to and you guys bullying her into taking a stance when she very clearly has been busy with work isn't productive at all

do u think it is towny that lilith refuses to take any sort of stance at all here?

it's not a tell at all lmao, heck I don't vote until I have solid reads and really think someone is scum

maybe you're reaction testing Lilith here idk what you're doing but I think you scumreading that is just a terrible take

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gaslighting you? lol

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it's not a tell at all lmao, heck I don't vote until I have solid reads and really think someone is scum

Super, imagine a game where

no one

votes until they have solid reads and really think someone is scum.
What do you think would happen?

I vote when forming a wagon or pushing someone to get a read every game

BUT

I can understand why Lilith doesn't want to vote anyone right now and I don't think you can read into that here and her continued refusal is towny to me cos I feel like scum would be wanting to please more than not

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amazing how someone who says im their top townread manages to convert into a vote after i vote someone i think has been genuinely scummy btw , no agenda guys btw

hehe I like pissing you off, maybe I should have voted you sooner :3

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Koba why would I come in here defending Lilly and then voting you as scum knowing you'd react in this way? wouldn't it be better for me to just go to sleep and ignore your terrible read on someone instead of drawing attention onto myself?

I'm not gonna lie I really do think you aren't very good at scumhunting lmao

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Gira literally told me Lilith is town this game based on her intro and posting - she has explained why she hasn't been active because of work and you're just being annoying and ignoring that from her. people have lives Koba

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I do think you're town but I think your pushes and reads are God awful and you deserve to be told that; at least for the threads sanity

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because to me it's hilarious

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My being thrown off with Fire's play has cleared now, I am back to no paranoia

what made your read change here?

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also super is my soul mate. her trolling koba stole my heart

I'm glad someone is appreciating it

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even if im busy as fuck i can take 5 minutes to skim, and make a conclusion on something.

its not difficult if ur town and uninformed. when ur informed ppl are town ur afraid of making a stance that will make ur team look worse its literally fucking mafia 101

holy fuck this gives me de ja vu to something you said in tinyhunt, hang on let me find it

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[quote=DkKoba]im alive in 3 games and also work 2 jobs while im not asking for participation at my level i still at least expect basic stance taking. excuses for lack of effort are often from scum who cannot find a reason to post or are afraid to spew[/quote]

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super before i pushed on lilith: koba is my top townread
super after i pushed lilith: *starts looking for reasons to scumread me*

hehe I can say anything I like cos I know I'm town and know you'll never get my elimmed so keep trying muwhahahHAHAHAHAHHAHAH >:)

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Koba link me your town games thanks

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lmao

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I'll just ask peta in the morning then if you're going to continuously be difficult in this game

honestly if you continue being this way in the game I'm probably going to end up getting a liability wagon on you just for being anti-town and frustrating, and you know I will always win against you so you should start being cooperative with me sweet-pie

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last time i 1v1d you you just ragequit so i won there, and i was actually scum there, so there's 0 chance of that here especially on my home turf <3

I ragequit for other reasons and things going on so you shouldn't be so confident

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reads list super?

nope

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yeah I know

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why should I give you my reads when you just push them aside and kinda don't deserve them?

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I really like Firebringer

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no super just doesnt like losing

you're literally a child, you know that right? I'm town. so when someone I think is also town continues to push and discredit townreads on me I'm going to be pissed and I'm going to end up just being like: "you know what fuck you I'm liability elimming you so you don't fuck it up for town later on."

I even outed paranoia to my teammates earlier about you maybe being scum because your push on me feels slightly similar to TinyHunt but they all just think you're bad town and we have been loling about you in our chat a lot - you can continue the dumb push all game and look dumb post-game for all I care but stop making up dumb crap about me that isn't true and also maybe don't play with me again either cos it feels like your read is literally a coinflip/paranoia read because I'm a good scum player? OR you're just scum deciding to tunnel me all game for the fun of it, idk.

that's actually a good question though
Koba if you were scum how would you be reacting to me this game?

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yeah because you deserve nice!super comments :S

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do you ever read my posts and think I might be town Koba or are you too far gone this game?

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nah because I know what you're trying to get from me and I'm not showing it

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lol

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this song is calming me

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I love how you think I rely on meta btw when your reads this game seem to be very meta-reliant (on me in particular, even when you obviously know nothing of my meta)

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I'm going to let you go to sleep Koby-Bear and I'm gonna go too... I promise

idk why FB stayed when they said they had to go to the airport in 6 hours... like 2 hours ago? or something

FIRBY GO TO SLEEP xx

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I love how you think I rely on meta btw when your reads this game seem to be very meta-reliant (on me in particular, even when you obviously know nothing of my meta)

i dont rely on meta tf?
i only use meta to determine someone's scumrange and what is or isnt NAI for someone.

do you see any instance where I'm NOT doing what i mentioned?

your only reason to think I *could* be town is because of a meta read you have on shady and how you think he'd want me to play as scum

your meta on me means I can never be town because my scumrange is so impossibly good that I can't do anything that will make you townread me - when IMO I'm one of the easiest players to read when I'm town and you're missing very obvious posts of mine that should have told you my alignment literally on page one

what do you mean by any instances where you're not doing what you mentioned? me tired

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lol you can't read me

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on one hand I love that you're paranoid of me cos it means my scumgame must seriously scare you but on the other it bugs me cos I'd rather you just townread me so we can find scum together and you stop trying to discredit perfectly sound townreads on me

but I'll live, shady even told me to stop stressing about it cos there is no world i get elimmed as town

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hehehehehe i avoided being eliminated!!!

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that was actually so funny

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also I don't even remember you being in that game? and I was confirmed mafia so.... your vote there means nothing

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k im going, bye

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Actually i just thought of something- super what do YOU expect i would do as scum?

I may as well just out my read on your slot before I go to bed and answer this question of yours. I have no idea how you'd be acting as scum this game, I have only played 2 games with you and I only really remember the TinyHunt one (I'm just going to ignore Forbidden Actions cos it was such a fuck around setup). I was considering ISOing you again in TinyHunt and evaluating your scumgame there because there have been moments of paranoia where I think your push on me isn't logical and has no proper backing which kinda reminds me of that game - especially the aggressive way in which you pushed me there. I will say that you were wayyyy more aggressive in that game and your push happened a lot earlier than this one - but I do think your push in this game could definitely be delayed because of my first post calling you out on potentially tunneling me (which you have been) but honestly I really don't know if you'd be treating my slot like this as scum. There are moments I think you're genuinely trying to maybe get a read on me... but then your read never actually changes and it feels like you aren't actually reading me in good faith, especially when I think I've towntold a great deal more... than almost every slot in the game. Shady and I were on vc the other day and he said that he didn't think you would have voted me after my post on you as scum and that it felt like you were town for that - he did go deeper into how he thought you'd be as scum (I think he said you would tunnel me? and try and get me elimmed as scum?) OH I remember, he said that he remembers you told Alexa/Anne to push me in the chosen mafia game because that's how you make Super crack and not get any reads so he thinks the fact you had an early TR on me meant you probably were town because you likely would have been pushing me A LOT harder if you were scum to make me "crack" and I do agree with his assessment on you there tbh - however you're saying you'd just TR me and disappear? Idk if I believe that after you have told Alexa/Anne to tunnel me :S

I still think you're town for a lot of reasons - I think your pushes have felt genuine, I've liked a lot of your questioning, there have been moments when players disappear or don't answer you and you keep pressing them/express annoyance which feels genuine. some of the call-outs you've done on players hasn't been terrible and feels like you have been trying to figure them out - even if I think some of your reads haven't been the best (your push on Lilith before was dumb imo but that's my own opinion) and your read on me obviously isn't right so I'm always going to not really trust in your pushes because of this

I have way more reasons to TR you but I've forgotten and I'm tired and I might actually properly ISO you in the morning to actually re-confirm my TR on you so I'm not just letting you get away with a TR from me when it'd be kinda embarrassing if you were pushing me as scum this entire game and I just TR you for it

goodnight sweet peas

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good morning! sorry for the amount of pages Johnny lmao

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why is leafy posting on two accounts..

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so I woke up and had a discussion with shady and gira this morning about Koba and me wanting them to ISO them because I'm worried they could be scum refusing to change their read on me and it felt weird to me that they honestly don't TR me by now - shady made a good point in saying that a townblock of 4 town and 1 scum is game-winning for town. he said anyone inciting fear into a towncore is probably coming from a scum!mindset because scum literally have it harder than town this setup as they have to miselim 4 townies to win - meaning scum will NOT want there to be a townblock. having 1 deepwolf isn't a worry for us and Koba being hyper paranoid of me/inciting fear into my slot when they know good and well as town I'm very fucking towny is a worry because it DOES NOT MATTER to them if I'm scum if they're town because the townblock only needs 4 townies in it to win.

I don't think Koba is scum at this point and I want this to be known because I know this post is going to bug them

- shady is actually sending me his read on Koba's ISO as I'm typing this and he is saying he still townreads them but that they shouldn't be so wary of me when even if I am scum it doesn't matter cos you'd need two deepwolves this game to lose as town.

this makes me actually wary of Chen because they have been the one who has been inciting the most fear into the towncore which is something scum would be wanting to do since it is nightless - gira made a good point in saying that as scum you cannot allow an uncontested townbloc to form and pushing against people who would otherwise be universal townreads is >rand scum

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@Koba, you said if you were scum you'd just town-bin me and not engage. why would you let me be a townblock in a game where you can't nightkill me?

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also you saying you'd just town-bin me as scum literally goes against what you said pre-game where you were going to use your site clout to get me mis-elimmed

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basically I don't know if I actually believe the fact you'd townread me as scum at all because that'd be bad for you to do if you were scum, so you scumreading me makes sense since you'd HAVE to incite fear in my slot if you were scum - always - since you know as town I'm going to be townread and scum need to make the townbloc fail

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what are you talking about? so you're saying you lied?

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I wasn't even in the GY chat at the time and you said it as though it was genuine so I don't know if I actually believe you, you also said it more than once

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yeah Jess is the only player I ever really get fucked over by as town but yeah I definitely can mis-clear people based on tone

how do you think I'm positioning myself this game? shady also pointed out that you of all people should know my meta of bussing and struggling at pushing on town since I have TMI and always bus because I always find my teammates so scummy, how do you think I'd be playing this game as scum?

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although to be fair I was scum last game and Jess and I both had each other pocketed lmao

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i dont like how u have townread so many ppl -> im afraid ur gonna setup a townblock that is going to be too far too gone to reeval. if u flip scum i will 100% clear u tho tbh

you know this is very much my town meta though right? I know you're going to think I'm just replicating that meta or something but genuinely here - I townread players too easily as town and this happens for me a lot, I actually never have scumreads as town unless I'm 100% sure and always have scumreads when I'm scum - which are on my partners mostly lol

but it's fine, you can figure out I'm town later cos I'm back to just being confident you are town

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like even if TinyHunt when you were scum you pushed me for having too many townreads

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in** anyways I will provide a list of how I'm feeling on players without properly rereading or ISoing cos I feel like it

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oh I just remembered I'm going on a camp for work starting tomorrow until Friday (so two nights away) - I won't really be around as much as I have been but will bring my laptop and try and post at night time after everyone has gone to sleep

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what year is it

AMY WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN

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what year is it

AMY WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN

i have played 35 hours of One Step From Eden since last wednesday

were you sad about flipping scum so you wanted to play video games instead? :3

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what year is it

AMY WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN

i have played 35 hours of One Step From Eden since last wednesday

were you sad about flipping scum so you wanted to play video games instead? :3

why would i not want to rand scum this game? nightless takes all the joy out of being town (read: getting nightkilled)

ANYWAYS i have read nothing and remember nothing so i'm gonna be spending the next however the fuck long catching up

I just assume everyone likes being town

I will let you catch up

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why did you unvote Koba? did you like Amy's entrance?

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UNVOTE:

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I kinda hate that Koba is using cat faces at Amy and being so nice whereas with me it's a stern condescending tone lmao I just want cat faces and nice-ness

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here is my little reads list for today before others come back and post and add some content:

Town: Koba, Firebringer
Leaning town: Lilith,
Need to see more from: Amy, Johnny
On the fence: Auro, Flopz
Lower-tier/Null: Autumn/Chen

I don't exactly have any scumreads and I've downgraded a lot of people since my big ISO-bin because I think I'm townreading people too easily and I only want to focus on having REALLY strong townreads to be deserved to be 100% in my town pool - for example I read some stuff Autumn said as tonally good but it wasn't as strong as a read I have on others - same as Chen-Chen, the only reason they dropped is because their defensiveness to me weird ~strange~ and I don't like them inciting paranoia to a townbloc which imo is something scum would be doing this game - I do agree that we should be wary of a townbloc forming if it has two scum in it, it's always good to be careful but being continuously paranoid about it d1 is a strange thing for me to understand - we have 3 MLs we can use

Koba is just Town. I think their responses to me have been good and their wariness of me makes sense, I could go into a deep analysis of why they're town but meh I don't feel like it right now unless someone presses it.


Firebringer has felt Town to me most of the game because of their attitude/interactions with others, I started townreading them even more when they spouted a random thought of me potentially pocketing them but them just being OK with it. it'd be kinda lame to find out they are scum this game and I got pocketed by someone who hasn't really been producing the greatest reads ever but idk I just vibe with this slot a lot and if later on they ping me maybe I will re-evaluate this read.

Lilith I had a pretty early TR on for a post which gave off good tone but it dropped when I ISOd their slot and realised a lot of their effort was focused on Auro but they never came to any conclusions on that slot until now - I think their anger at me and read on me feels genuine and this points to them being town because of how much they fucking cared about my townread dissipating, idk if scum would be hyper focused on that and then go and say it was scummy of me - idk felt town indicative to be that annoyed about it. peta says her drop in content is worrying and the excuses are fakeable but he still town-leans her but says she needs to do more

Flops is a funny one because I had been townreading their approach and vibing with the way they were playing but my teammates have a different idea of this slot and kinda scumread them, hence why I'm on the fence and probably need to interact with them 1 v 1 more. they seem like a good player and someone who could very much sneak into a townbloc of some kind, peta thinks the extent in which he is citing teammates is excessive

Auro I had a early tr on for their read on me - idk why they'd try and pocket me so early on (literally in their first post) but yeah. peta thinks they feel a bit scummy and thinks they wander off into theotricals without taking any stances - plus 876 feels fencesitty to peta. another slot I'm on the fence about and need to 1 v 1

Amy I need to see more from and will probably try meta read her through the MU game we played - I have a feeling her lack of being here and playing a game is kinda towny tbh lol

Johnny I also need more from but peta says he is known to be very lurky as town and an easy miselim for scum, peta also thinks he doesn't sound like he is forcing content and liked their take on koba but not enough to town read him yet

Chen I had reasons to tr in my ISO and I probably need to look back over that - I kinda explained earlier why they dropped down for me and it's going to take a lot more for me to just TR a player, I'm gonna try being harder on myself anyways. peta said they have no idea what they think of chen but kinda townlean from their recent posts(?)

Autumn another slot I tonally tr a bit but yeah again, as I said, I don't know if that's enough for me to tr them fully - they did incite some paranoia on me but yeah idk what they means for them. peta says could be town but didn't really like 606.

peta told me not to say his reads cos they were just super vague and impressionistic but I posted some of them anyways cos they kinda help me since he knows you guys more than me

I basically TR koba/fb/lilith and everyone else needs to impress me with their towniness

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Chen what townbloc was I making exactly? I don't think I've tried making one except saying I thought FB and Koba were my strongest TRs? I'm not trying to create anything?

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okay do you think Koba and I deserve to be in this said townbloc then? the thing is I don't have those people in the block... I just posted my feelings and I'm just as wary as you about who I place in it for obvious reasons.

what are your thoughts on Lilith? and what's your read on FB now? do you get why I tr them?

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Super do you still think you would be bussing in this setup where scum lose if they get down to 1 member?

if I had one strong partner and one scummy one I'd bus the scummy one always cos I'm very bad with TMI - if both partners were strong and towny then nah

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I'd probably bus the the sense that I'd have my partners low in my PoE but never get them lynched tbh lmao, I've defs done that with partners before, I really do struggle with TMI and it's a weak aspect of my scumgame

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okay do you think Koba and I deserve to be in this said townbloc then? the thing is I don't have those people in the block... I just posted my feelings and I'm just as wary as you about who I place in it for obvious reasons.

what are your thoughts on Lilith? and what's your read on FB now? do you get why I tr them?

I would say the two of you (Super/Koba) are the only slots I'm comfortable enough to write off for now.

do you townread us or do you just not want to bother with us right now?

what are you strongest townreads?

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hi okapoka!

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I didn’t select to be in this game lol.

what alignment do you like being the most? :3

Scum how about u

town.

would you be happier if you flipped scum?

@super where did you think this line of questioning was going? did you think fire's answer would be AI, and if so, how?

well they said they would prefer to be scum so I was curious if they flipped scum maybe they'd enter the game more cheerful - it was early on so in a sense it was me creating content but also trying to get a read on FB based on their entrance and their negativity towards black flag

peta told me it was NAI though cos they were complaining about black flag pregame

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I'm peacing out for now and will be back later tonight to catch up with the thread and all the content I hope Lilith/Amy/Johnny/Flopz/Auro produce while I am gone

don't bicker too much, kids

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I'm on shift but lurked a bit

@Leafy, why am I mafia other than being a...deepwolf? huh? do you have any reason to scumread me?

@Lilith, acknowledge my posts or respond to my ISO instead of shading me about a change in my read which was barely a change cos I legit still town leant you. kinda bothering me that you ignored everything I said about it and yet you keep bringing it up

ok bye again

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Leafy you don't wanna make enemies with town!super 0;)

but it's fine I'll converse with you later, I actually have to go lol

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I just finished work and reread the thing Lilith said and I definitely read it wrong and now feel bad for my attack

I'll be home in a few hours xx

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I'm home, where's your post Lilly!!!!!

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amy subbed?????

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I do but I'm on the toilet

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Menalque replaces Ampharos on the Mana Crypt team

^ in the main thread for team mafia

anyways lets treat that as a scum claim

we can't talk about this can we

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imma eat and rest a bit then come back and add my thoughts

will you be around much longer oreo?

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what's the time for u?

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oh wow it's almost 5pm here

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k I'm here, thanks for that Lilly imma just make a big post on something I need to address first then I will properly go through all your stuff and respond

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VOTE: Autumn Leaves

I'm incredibly suspicious of Infinity after today and I finally feel like I have a push I am confident enough on to attack since I was fairly stuck on my reads the last few days.

1304 is where they announce their top townreads (which they probably should explain in detail for me too) - let's remember, this is black flag - so if these townreads Autumn has are correct they win the game.

1315 Autumn brings up that something is wrong and therefore I'm scum because I'm the most likely deepwolf - this means that NO ONE else from Autumn's POV is a deepwolf (they have no actual reason to scumread me, they literally just think I'm a deepwolf because no one else can be(?) and vague intuition crap?)

[post]1331[/post] again saying I'm the only possible deepwolf and then says they would definitely join a wagon on me which is where alarm bells for me are ringing fucking heavily

WHY would you want to go for a deepwolf on d1 fucking one in black flag when you're saying there could be no other deepwolves MEANING even if I am scum this is so fucking bizarre of you to do since you can literally still lynch in your PoE and you'd win??????? the fact you're even saying you'd join a wagon on me is scummy considering you don't even have a reason to actually scumread me except that no one else could be a deepwolf and vague intuition??? LIKE are you claiming scum right now? is this Autumn open-wolfing and trying to target the towncore? lol like the way they scumread FB as well and then low shading me as a deepwolf is really fucking bad and scummy

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https://voca.ro/1hU5jMYA20Ge

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I don't really disagree with the vote itself but super and infinity are both townreading flopz and I'm just like ?????????????????

none of my teammates townread flopz at all so I probably have to scumread them, I am easily swayed by tone and people tring me and I'm probably going to ISO them again

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sorry my vocaroo was fucking all over the place and kinda laggy

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super ngl that looks a lot like omgus

haha yeah I know right? I literally questioned whether or not i'd persue it but it honestly triggered me a lot and I really don't see how a town!mindset would be to assume someone is a deepwolf without actually trying to read my slot or engage with me to figure my slot out - like where has this conclusion come from? having a vague intuition read is complete bullshit to me

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super why did u just now decide to post a vocaroo?

https://voca.ro/1aLtprx18hPY

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alright Koba let's lynch mafia and we can talk tomorrow

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clearly super is reading from a script.

SCUMMY AS SHIT

it's true I only wanted to post them so people would compliment my cute aussie accent

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Koba why am I scum?

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he did say that but then said if there was a wagon he'd vote me even though he has no real strong read on me - why would you vote someone purely for an intuition? how is that town? would you seriously vote someone purely based on paranoia/thinking they are a deepwolf d1?

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I wish Koba's tunnel vision would just fuck off for d1, like Koba just fucking turn it off today and we can talk about your dumbass paranoia read on me tomorrow and if you still think I'm scum then lynch me then

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I wish Koba's tunnel vision would just fuck off for d1, like Koba just fucking turn it off today and we can talk about your dumbass paranoia read on me tomorrow and if you still think I'm scum then lynch me then

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I tried cancelling sending that cos I feel a little bad but I'm really not in the mood to have my strongest TR tunnel me all game

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I got spf to ISO flopz earlier but I never told you guys her take, i may as well post it and ignore koba cos I'm genuinely getting really upset and don't wanna have to deal with it anymore today - the fact that this fuckiong day goes for 10 real life days also makes me incredibly annoyed because that's literall;y 10 days of dealing with a townread tunneling me and making the game more scumsided cos mafia would literally be loving koba's "boner" for me

jess said flopz had nervous energy in post...viewtopic.php?p=12514518#p12514518
viewtopic.php?p=12516403#p12516403 this she said was sorta towny and same with his work with his partners but his tone feels off
viewtopic.php?p=12516628#p12516628 she thinks this was "soooooo scummy" and thinks he is over explanatory and overly self-conscious abnout how they are being perceived
jess doesn't tr them at all

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I got spf to ISO flopz earlier but I never told you guys her take, i may as well post it and ignore koba cos I'm genuinely getting really upset and don't wanna have to deal with it anymore today - the fact that this fuckiong day goes for 10 real life days also makes me incredibly annoyed because that's literall;y 10 days of dealing with a townread tunneling me and making the game more scumsided cos mafia would literally be loving koba's "boner" for me

jess said flopz had nervous energy in post...viewtopic.php?p=12514518#p12514518
viewtopic.php?p=12516403#p12516403 this she said was sorta towny and same with his work with his partners but his tone feels off
viewtopic.php?p=12516628#p12516628 she thinks this was "soooooo scummy" and thinks he is over explanatory and overly self-conscious abnout how they are being perceived
jess doesn't tr them at all

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koba it;s NAI i use vocaroos in ALL OF MY FUCKING GAMES

so just go away

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Koba I genuinely don't like you

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if I was scum I'd vote you and tunnel you back until one of us was lynched

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I'm not talking or engaging with you for the rest of d1, goodbye

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he did say that but then said if there was a wagon he'd vote me even though he has no real strong read on me - why would you vote someone purely for an intuition? how is that town? would you seriously vote someone purely based on paranoia/thinking they are a deepwolf d1?

It's important to note that he didn't just feel paranoia, he seemed to think that you being a deepwolf fit accurately with his perception of the game.
Have you never seen people voting with their intuition?
I think it's a pretty dumb take

for scum

in his position especially in TM, "yeah let me make a gut scumread on one of the most townread players and say I'd join a wagon on her, but offer no other reasoning", what do you think was the scum intent behind it?

I don't understand his perception of the game then - like I'd understand if he has really strong townreads elsewhere to then think I could be scum but are his townreads really that strong? I need him to delve into them more because I'm completely unsure where his read on me being a deepwolf came from especially when he townread me early game and only his teammate was outing weird paranoia on my slot. I do think from a scum perspective it is weird to out such a shitty read on someone like "gut" or "intuition" and yeah, maybe he is just dumb town and I'm missing something from his perspective but to me it feels like he's trying to shake up this supposed towncore which I clearly am not even part of at the moment it feels like idek

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FB I really don't want to ever lynch Koba this game and I don't ever want there to be a 1 v 1 between us - they are obnoxious and awful and we definitely lose if we are in lylo together and we haven't lynched scum yet because Koba will always vote me and mafia will just blitz

but I'd rather we at least hit scum today or tomorrow so Koba can properly sort me

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I apologise to everyone in the game about Koba and this shit, I should have blacklisted them and I'm reallly not have an enjoyable time at all this game and idk what to do about it, can a mod actually do anything ?

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and guess what Koba: I was town. so are you just scum doing the same fucking thing to get me to quit?

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Leafy you don't wanna make enemies with town!super 0;)

progresses to:

I'm incredibly suspicious of Infinity after today and I finally feel like I have a push I am confident enough on to attack since I was fairly stuck on my reads the last few days.

You were aiming threats at people for antagonizing you, and looking back, the progression from 1337 -> 1443 feels weird: Leafy had already stated his intuitive suspicion of you just before 1337... and you wanted to converse with him more then but then disproportionately respond in 1443? How come your reaction in 1443 wasn't immediate?

VOTE: Super

because I was on the phone with Shady (one of my teammates who is also my boyfriend) and I told him about Autumn's push on me and asked if it was weird - Shady being Shady went on a huge fucking rant about why Autumn was confirmed scum to me and how fucking blatant they were for the deepwolf stuff that when he went to bed I immediately made that post and wanted to push Autumn for it - SHady definitely skewed a lot of my read on Autumn between that time so I can see why it looks inconsistent since I wasn't ebven the one fully confident on it - my bf was

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This is going to be the last post I have directed at Koba and I’m not going to be engaging with them or responding to their jabs or posts anymore unless it is 100% needed. Koba I ask you out of respect not to directly talk to me in the game anymore unless it is in a way that is respectful/you genuinely want to talk to me sensibly like a fucking adult – if you want to discuss reads with me or try and solve the game together then sure, ask nicely and talk to me nicely or else I aint fucking responding. If you think I’m mafia that’s fine, fucking scumread me for all I care and lose, I really, really, really don’t care anymore, you can call this AtE – you can call this whatever the fuck you want but I’m so done with you in this game – as soon as I saw you were in my fucking game I knew I’d have to deal with you tunneling me all game and I was right. You literally have no reason to think I’m scum, you are pushing me because you literally have 0 fucking ways to townread me so you just want to antagonise and push me because you fucking know it’s going to make me react in this way and fuck me over all game – you might have this dumb as shit gut read on me that I’m scum that you’ve conf-biased yourself into thinking, like “omg Super posted a vocaroo she did this as scum once!” or “omg Super is using AtE she does this as scum too!” it’s all literally fucking NAI and you KNOW this. Find actual reasons to scumread me and I will entertain them but honestly I’m so done with your shitty meta crap and your shitty assumptions about the way I am/the way I play. I know exactly how you will respond but this is the last thing I'm saying until tomorrow unless you guys get me lynched today then honestly I would be happy to be out of this game which you made so awful for me Koba.

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VOTE: Mena

why the vote when you said you wouldn't change from Koba?

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I'm taking a break from the thread probably... but I feel like I should respond to Lillith but I'm really shitty

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because I was on the phone with Shady (one of my teammates who is also my boyfriend) and I told him about Autumn's push on me and asked if it was weird - Shady being Shady went on a huge fucking rant about why Autumn was confirmed scum to me and how fucking blatant they were for the deepwolf stuff that when he went to bed I immediately made that post and wanted to push Autumn for it - SHady definitely skewed a lot of my read on Autumn between that time so I can see why it looks inconsistent since I wasn't ebven the one fully confident on it - my bf was

I wish you'd stated that then because presenting it as completely your take like "Autumn WTF, Autumn open-wolfing, really smurfing bad and scummy" I have a hard time believing you actually changed your viewpoint to this versus your team just asking you to do it...

believe it or not at this point i don't care auro

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@Lilly

1) Me asking FB which alignment they prefer probably just comes down to my own meta of myself. I personally hate being mafia and love being town so I normally would enter a thread pretty happy as town and I think my general demeanour is a lot happier as town so I was asking FB that question because I found their entry into the thread to be quite negative (continuously saying that they didn’t like black flag etc) so I asked them what alignment they preferred since I was like “maybe they flipped scum and were unhappy” lmao – I guess to me it can be AI for some players, I’ve obviously never played with FB before so I had no meta on how they’d be at all, I was just using what I knew about myself to try and maybe get a read on someone else which may or may not have been a good way to read someone but it was definitely something
2) Your entry into the thread was a lot happier than FB’s entry – I found FB to tone and entry chill but a lot different to yours – you seemed excited, whereas FB was just like “fuck black flag” – very different reads on both of you early on IMO even if they came from a similar tonal category
3) I’m cool with the discrediting response ty for answering that
4) So you’re saying FB is completely unreadable then? Is it bad that I disagree and think every player plays differently as town and scum so there would be ways to read them? I get that they may be like this as scum and town so it’s NAI but I guess I just really do TR them this game and maybe I’m crazy and maybe my read is wrong but I really do feel as though they are town – and perhaps they do play this way as both alignments but I’ve never played with them you have to remember so I’m always going to have a different perspective as you. It’s not just a tonal read I have on FB – there have been posts that I read as super fucking towny. For example their entire reaction to me asking if they were town and their response to that and then them wondering how they should actually respond was sooo towny to me (I could quote the posts if you need reference to where I TR them for you to understand my vibe) – they also brought up a good point about me having them pocketed which I think a thought only town would come up with (it felt incredibly genuine imo) again, I can quote if you need to understand my FB read better
5) I think the reason I lessened my TR on you was because you never outed any actual reads after all the conversing you had done with Auro and so I was like huh? Lily did all that and left? I still thought you could be town (and do think you’re very likely town now btw) but I just wanted to hear what your reads were/thoughts were on people. I think all of your explanations are really good – and it’s fine that you had to go to work and couldn’t go deeper in what you were saying – I definitely don’t just throw a read away like that so easily and am always willing to talk it out later with you
6) The re-evaluation was because it was my first ISO of you and that’s why I was reading deeper into your slot – before that it wasn’t a read where I had fully read all your posts and analysed you properly. Your drop in activity and my read on you makes sense btw considering peta literally told me if you were lurky you were scum so of couse I’mma be wary when you disappear and my partner has mentioned you being a lurky scum to me three times, but it wasn’t the sole reason for my drop in read (I think it was the way to me it didn’t feel like you were genuinely trying to read into AUro and it felt like a pointless back and fourth where you never ended up with a conclusion on it)
7) As I have said my read on FB is very different to my read on you and you shouldn’t be comparing it honestly – their lack of content is different since I can tell they aren’t the type of player top continuously drop reads or ISOs whereas my team said you’d be a lot more active and competent than a player like FB – but anyways I feel like this convo could keep going around in circles about the read dropping lol
8) I wanted to reaction test AL at that point because I had read an earlier post from them which was quite emotional and read to me like they were sick of being scumread (I think I pointed it out in my ISO of them and said I tr them for it cos I defs read into tone/whether someone is being genuine or not too much sometimes) – I had no reason to SR them at that point but I thought I could get a better read on them if I voted them and pushed them a little even if my reasoning was obviously a reaction test which AL kinda noticed anyways – I honestly backed off cos I wasn’t really sure how their reaction was, it wasn’t bad or anything… I did kinda like their explanation of being nervous kinda/? But idk, I still think there is a good chance AL could maybe be scum this game
9) I haven’t really thought about the resistance? Idk it’s d1 and it’s a really long d1 and I honestly just want to see a flip at this point. I don’t think people have been that in unision I just think people haven’t been here lmao – the most active people are like me, koba, FB, autumn, auro, chen and sometimes you now so idk I can see why the game has felt super in unison cos some players haven’t really been here to be pushed on or read into (I have no idea what Johnny’s slot remotely is, every time Flopz is here I can’t properly 1 on 1 engage cos I am busy and Amy has barely said a thing and you haven’t had the time either) – I would be making more pushes if I felt like I had a proper reason to be pushing is what I’m saying and now I’m pushing someone and getting flack for it so fucking yolo

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I'm not going to post anything else tonight and I don't wanna become toxic or rude or anything like that again, I'm going to try and push emotional stuff aside and just play as logically as possible (as hard as that can be for me), it's definitely hard coming to a new site and people not knowing you or the way you play and then having another player who pretends they can read you push and tunnel you and treat you as though everything you do has some sort of agenda/is scummy when it's just the way I am and they know it's the way I play as either alignment.

I still think Koba is town even though they really want to tunnel me and 1 v 1 me this game even though they did a similar thing in a game we once played and I did rage-quit from (and they flipped scum) - the way Koba is playing this game is very different and they have had reads/pushes I don't think scum!Koba could honestly fake. I think Lilith's posts and energy is just Town as well and I townread her response to me and pretty much everything she said - I also think her reads are quite good and in depth even if she is paranoid(?) of me but I can see where her read kinda comes from I guess (I personally still think I'm an easy read but if people want to be paranoid of me this game then honestly it's whatever at this point, I can't do anything about that). FB is also still a really strong townread of mine for explained reasons. I don't know what to think of Auro, I mean, I think if Autumn is scum then Auro is likely not their partner - I think I'm a bit triggered by Auro's vote on me but I see why they would think my push on AL came from no where and it looked very OMGUSy and maybe I didn't execute it the best, so yeah I can definitely see where Auro's read on me there came from but it sucks since I was their top TR I think and my push flipped their entire opinion/read on me? I kinda want to know who people would honestly think my partners would be cos I feel like I've had a tiff or awkward moment with every player in the game lol. I think people also don't really know how I play in the sense that my reads are very very messy as town and constantly changing/are inconsistent - whereas as scum they make a lot more sense and are straightforward and my thinking is more clear.

here is my most town to least:
firebringer
lilith
koba
chen
auro
johnny
flopz
amy
autumn leaves

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Super - townie she is a paranoid one who hyperfocuses and worries about her town status and thinks anyone pushing her is suspicious. She will probably filter everyone by how she thinks she will play the game rather than figuring out personality and finding deviations that would be out of ordinry

Super, do you agree with this assessment of yourself (the first part)?
You should meet Nancy Drew 39

I am very paranoid, probably the most paranoid player from my home site lol I will constantly be paranoid of my reads and doubt myself constantly if you read any of my games. I definitely get suspicious of people who push me when I'm town and know I'm towntelling all over the fucking place, especially if it is never-ending and feels ingenuine after a while or feels like they really will never reconsider their read. town should always be flexible with their reads an re-evaluating them whereas I don't think Koba has given me the time of day to ever consider me town

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and yes I hyperfocus on being townread

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it's a major flaw of my playstyle and people hate me for it, but I think being townread is important for me because it makes the game easier for me and everyone when everyone knows I'm town

idk if that makes sense and maybe I shouldn't care so much and it probably gets me into more trouble than not

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https://epicmafia.com/topic/96118?username=super if you read the first two pages of my ISO in this game you can see all I care about is being townread

"honestly I was in the bath last night thinking about this game and how I'm town and kinda wanted everyone to know straight away so I can just f/ucking lead us all to victory (jokes I'm terrible don't let me lead) and decided to write a post and thought about a good way to also discuss my LOVE for bridges which is totally relevant and a fun like of mine to discuss"

"I had the fear that everyone would read my intro post as scummy cos I was kinda forcing to be towny at the same time lmao but I still wanted to do it cos yolo fu/cking swag"

"yeah that's fair enough, I mean. I don't think I act like this as mafia because... I'm not mafia. but I do see what you mean about demanding to be tr? I honestly don't even think I demand to be tr as mafia - normally I make excuses about how I don't want to be too frustrated at people for not townreading me so I don't really care (when I'm mafia) and that this means I'm probably scummier LOL like I am so aware of when I'm being scummy as mafia I throw around excuses for how I'm playing, do you get me? like this game I have no excuses... cos I'm town baby!!

like last game I kept trying to be ANGRY at people about not townreading me but then saying how I am trying to focus on not doing that but it was a blatant lie lmao.

anyways... the only reason I pushed on Bobert was gut reasons for his activity and excitement about the game - I actually don't even scumread him but knew if I pushed on him I could figure out his alignment pretty easily, also I kinda like that he didn't immediately townread me because I doubt he'd do that as mafia tbh - mafia would probably try pocket me or completely discredit me being towny (but tbf mafia will struggle this game with me because of how towny I am and will likely be the top tr by the end of the day)"

this is literally how annoying I am about being townread as town and it's obnoxious and a pain in the ass for people playing with me and I shouldn't be so fixated on it but it's just how I play lmao. I recognise it's a flaw and recognise that people will likely read me as scummy for even maybe bringing this up (I know Koba will) but yeah this is what I'm like as town and this is what people sometimes have to deal with - I'm going to stop bringing it up now and move along but I'm just letting you know how I am as a player (especially as town) and sometimes it can backfire on me and people think I'm focusing too much on "being towny" but I care A LOT MORE when I am town cos it just makes the entire experience better for me

I was actually talking to shady about my problem about not being townread when I'm town and how it affects and triggers me so much in a similar way I am when people don't like me - lmao I'm a massive people pleaser in real life and if someone doesn't like me I GO FUCKING CRAZY and try to figure out why. when someone doesn't townread me I have almost the same reaction and question it and fixate on it as though they don't like me??? it's honestly so bad and I understand how annoying it would be to play with someone like that but it's genuinely a personality flaw

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I'm going to sleep now and have a work camp from tomorrow morning (9am Australian time Wednesday) until Friday night (6pm), so I won't really be here for two nights. I will bring my laptop and post some stuff but I think it's probably better if I leave for a while anyways, I need a bit of a breather/get rid of some of the investment I have for this game and clear my head a bit

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also #Flopz I didn't answer you earlier but sure I will read some of your games you linked at some point, idk when I can though but I will try and make time to re-ISO you and read through your games

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Auro in that game I linked I hard push Honey for scumreading me, if you ISO her you can probably find it. gn x

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hi mena nice to meet you

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Spoiler: super’s 1526

@Lilly

1) Me asking FB which alignment they prefer probably just comes down to my own meta of myself. I personally hate being mafia and love being town so I normally would enter a thread pretty happy as town and I think my general demeanour is a lot happier as town so I was asking FB that question because I found their entry into the thread to be quite negative (continuously saying that they didn’t like black flag etc) so I asked them what alignment they preferred since I was like “maybe they flipped scum and were unhappy” lmao – I guess to me it can be AI for some players, I’ve obviously never played with FB before so I had no meta on how they’d be at all, I was just using what I knew about myself to try and maybe get a read on someone else which may or may not have been a good way to read someone but it was definitely something
2) Your entry into the thread was a lot happier than FB’s entry – I found FB to tone and entry chill but a lot different to yours – you seemed excited, whereas FB was just like “fuck black flag” – very different reads on both of you early on IMO even if they came from a similar tonal category
3) I’m cool with the discrediting response ty for answering that
4) So you’re saying FB is completely unreadable then? Is it bad that I disagree and think every player plays differently as town and scum so there would be ways to read them? I get that they may be like this as scum and town so it’s NAI but I guess I just really do TR them this game and maybe I’m crazy and maybe my read is wrong but I really do feel as though they are town – and perhaps they do play this way as both alignments but I’ve never played with them you have to remember so I’m always going to have a different perspective as you. It’s not just a tonal read I have on FB – there have been posts that I read as super fucking towny. For example their entire reaction to me asking if they were town and their response to that and then them wondering how they should actually respond was sooo towny to me (I could quote the posts if you need reference to where I TR them for you to understand my vibe) – they also brought up a good point about me having them pocketed which I think a thought only town would come up with (it felt incredibly genuine imo) again, I can quote if you need to understand my FB read better
5) I think the reason I lessened my TR on you was because you never outed any actual reads after all the conversing you had done with Auro and so I was like huh? Lily did all that and left? I still thought you could be town (and do think you’re very likely town now btw) but I just wanted to hear what your reads were/thoughts were on people. I think all of your explanations are really good – and it’s fine that you had to go to work and couldn’t go deeper in what you were saying – I definitely don’t just throw a read away like that so easily and am always willing to talk it out later with you
6) The re-evaluation was because it was my first ISO of you and that’s why I was reading deeper into your slot – before that it wasn’t a read where I had fully read all your posts and analysed you properly. Your drop in activity and my read on you makes sense btw considering peta literally told me if you were lurky you were scum so of couse I’mma be wary when you disappear and my partner has mentioned you being a lurky scum to me three times, but it wasn’t the sole reason for my drop in read (I think it was the way to me it didn’t feel like you were genuinely trying to read into AUro and it felt like a pointless back and fourth where you never ended up with a conclusion on it)
7) As I have said my read on FB is very different to my read on you and you shouldn’t be comparing it honestly – their lack of content is different since I can tell they aren’t the type of player top continuously drop reads or ISOs whereas my team said you’d be a lot more active and competent than a player like FB – but anyways I feel like this convo could keep going around in circles about the read dropping lol
8) I wanted to reaction test AL at that point because I had read an earlier post from them which was quite emotional and read to me like they were sick of being scumread (I think I pointed it out in my ISO of them and said I tr them for it cos I defs read into tone/whether someone is being genuine or not too much sometimes) – I had no reason to SR them at that point but I thought I could get a better read on them if I voted them and pushed them a little even if my reasoning was obviously a reaction test which AL kinda noticed anyways – I honestly backed off cos I wasn’t really sure how their reaction was, it wasn’t bad or anything… I did kinda like their explanation of being nervous kinda/? But idk, I still think there is a good chance AL could maybe be scum this game
9) I haven’t really thought about the resistance? Idk it’s d1 and it’s a really long d1 and I honestly just want to see a flip at this point. I don’t think people have been that in unision I just think people haven’t been here lmao – the most active people are like me, koba, FB, autumn, auro, chen and sometimes you now so idk I can see why the game has felt super in unison cos some players haven’t really been here to be pushed on or read into (I have no idea what Johnny’s slot remotely is, every time Flopz is here I can’t properly 1 on 1 engage cos I am busy and Amy has barely said a thing and you haven’t had the time either) – I would be making more pushes if I felt like I had a proper reason to be pushing is what I’m saying and now I’m pushing someone and getting flack for it so fucking yolo

Here are the issues I have with your approach to fb / me:
- peta’s never played with town!me, in fact I think he’s only played with me once, and I haven’t played any games with the rest of your team, so who or what is giving you the idea that I’m “supposed” to be active/competent?
———sidenote I really dislike that I’m being BoPed here because like, I should be able to have a towngame where I can’t be as active as I typically am and not get immediately scumread for it. And I did mention being really busy with work in early posts. Come

on

. I don’t think peta even knows me well enough to know what my typical towngame is like anyway, so this line of reasoning just feels gross
- when peta lists meta on me you listen (if I lurk I’m scum) but when he lists meta on fb you don’t (the tone in fb’s posts is NAI)? “I’ve never played with these people so I will closely follow the reads given to me by my team on one person but don’t care that they’re saying the other person’s posts are NAI, I’m going to read them however I want!” How does this make sense? in fact I’d venture to guess that peta is, if anything,

more

familiar with fire’s meta than he is with mine, yet you chose not to take his word for fire but have listened to him on me
- in essence I feel like you’re basically picking and choosing your reads here, and it

just so happened

to coincide with a point in the game where I would have looked more achievable of a miselim than before

1) it was literally his few comments about you being lurky as scum and either way it didn't matter cos he said your intro was good/you drop in content made him anxious and to just keep an eye on how active you are (you must have really been a lurker as scum and he is just hyper-aware of it) - if he's never played a town game with you then idk unless he has read your games, I can ask him but I also cbf and wanna move on from this tbh
2) and yeah I agree, from my homesite I am REALLY active but this means it's in my meta now to be active as town or else I'm scum and I really hate it because I also have a life and don't want activity to affect reads on me (please don't worry about me scumreading you because you are working, I literally defended you from Koba/Auro about you not voting anyone because of your activity and the fact you hadn't read anything, like I seriously do not care if you lurk the game but come and produce stuff) like your atcivity was never the sole issue anyways so it's just a silly rounabout convo now
3) he told me he has 0 meta on fire and can't read him at all and that 95% of their posts are shitposts and I guess because I've liked fire's posts and maybe I'm pocketed by them I've just been like "ok well maybe peta just can't read them" - maybe it's an ego thing on my part? I still have my own read on you Lilith it's not solely based on Peta's meta at all, if anything when I did my ISO Peta was the one who tr yiou the most and I am the one who dropped it for the reasons I stated in my ISO (I hated your sole focus on Auro and the lack of outing reads, not the activity drop) I think you honestly misinterpreted my read on you
4) I defs don't pick and choose my reads I'm just a mess like that

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ATTENTION: EVERYONE READ THIS POST – THIS IS MY CASE ON AUTUMN AND NEED EVERYONE TO READ THIS IF ANYTHING OF MINE SO YOU UNDERSTAND MY PERSPECTIVE ON WHY I THINK THEY’RE SCUM AND WHY THEIR REASONING ON ME IS GOD-AWFUL AND THEY SHOULDN’T GET AWAY WITH IT
your progression on your read on me makes little sense to me here so you need to quote where I started going downhill for you since you've clearly stated where I've been towny but haven't pointed out why it started to dissipate. like you quoting where you started thinking I was a deepwolf isn't a progression in a read ... it's literally you just having doubts that feel like they came from no where? can you tell me where I started being scummy to you?

you need to explain to me how your process when from
1) there is a deepwolf
to
2) It's not Chen/Koba/Lilith/Flopz
3) It must be Super (especially when you've never played a game with me in your life)

Intuition isn't going to cut it for me, and if that's an acceptable way to read someone on MS then I really don't know if I wanna be playing on this website - cos how is that a proper read at all? you really need to explain your reasoning for me or else I'm always going to think it is coming from scum.

If you're scum it feels like you're just fanning this paranoia onto me while also pushing on LHF like Mena who actually entered the thread in a towny way (in my opinion and my teammates) and I think scum are always going to push on a sub because that tends to be an easy target for mafia to latch onto straight away.

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SO you have this intuition on me being a deepwolf specifically and then, despite knowing there is no good reasoning for this, you cherry-pick a reason to back it up from one of my town games I linked saying that was your FIRST reason for sring me? a vague ass meta read to back up an overly specific gut read? can anyone else just read this and see that Autumn is pulling a read on me from out of their ass?

cite examples from that game that I'm "all over the place" but not the same as here that you're scumreading cos it's just bad - I'm literally going crazy in this thread so don't you fucking tell me I'm not all over the place in this game, if you were reading my posts you'd see that mate

This is Shady's analysis of the events that happened yesterday:

1) scum!Autumn sees that there is a towncore developing with less than 2 wolves in it - or that scum aren't apart of, so they say something is off
2) scum!Autumn (and their mates) decide that I'm the best slot to incite paranoia on, wanting to shift townreads away from me and include a partner instead (shady is thinking Chen at the moment)
3) scum!Autumn says they would vote me despite it making 0 sense from a town perspective because they would feel it would be scummy to properly fos me but not actually vote me
4) scum!Autumn, not expecting my reaction, decides they have to actually "double-down" and have a legit reason to fos me - and make up a cherry-picked reason to SR from the game I linked to prevent me from squeezing back into the towncore - and yeeting him from it.

this is how shady views the events but can see himself being very confbiased cos he's incredibly annoyed by Autumn and Koba (he also has told me to tell Koba that they're being horrible and making the game toxic for me, and that every little thing I do they say is scummy and mocking me for it and he is over it)

here is Shady's other alternative:

1) town!Autumn feels something is off
2) town!Autumn "achieves nirvana" (lol) until the deepwolf (Super) materialises in front of him
3) town!Autumn sees super omgus him! and despite being upset about being fosd earlier for no reason and sees super herself dislike being fosd for no reason, says "ah yeah. let me read her town game real quick, yep i'm validated on this read now"
It’s honestly so goddamn terrible that Autumn when from “there’s a deepwolf” to “the deepwolf can’t be anyone but Super” and their only explanation is “intuition” and then they conveniently cherry-pick a reason to SR me which isn’t even a reason that is backed up by anything lmao just they HAVE to be mafia or they are just fucking bad

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I think infinity is town, and I'm kind of looking at him more from a logic/content approach and less tonally. Just because I don't think trying to toneread him the same way I toneread other people would work anyways. And I kind of like what he's been saying even if it's not safe or consensus

HOW is Autumn being logical? LOL, what is his logic? his logic is fucking intuition? where is this so called logic you speak of?

are you Autumn's partner Chen because it feels like you haven't really read deeply into Autumn's "logical" read on me

if you are town read my case, thanks. cause there is literally 0 logic to Autumn's train of thought

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VOTE: autumn

did you read my post?

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I'm off to camp today and won't be here much at all but I think that's good enough to show that Autumn's read on me isn't logical at all and just outright scummy as fuck, if you're town Autumn you need to fix yourself here cos I really cannot be bothered dealing with a towny who makes up reads through "intuition" and then a random as fuck sr from a game I doubt you even read cos you backed none of it up

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Super literally there were no other UTRs other than koba, lilith wasn't UTR at the time, neither was flopz or chenn. Koba I have experience with and know that this isn't how they play as scum, I considered chenn too but I really don't think chenn is scum because he's not playing with an agenda, and he felt the same way about the game and he expressed certain things that I really vibed with (ex. auro scumread) before I did

Also you're not all over the place in the same way in this game at all, your emotions have been smooth and sensible

The idea that mena is an easy target is absurd.

Calling me bad is pretty uncalled for, I'm making an honest effort to play based on what's been effective for me in the past and you don't have to like it but don't insult me for it thanks

you need to cite three examples from me being "all over the places" from the game I linked and cite three contrasting examples from this game that show me being the opposite of that and so I can see where you "SR" on me even came from

this is the only way you can salvage the communication between us and the only way I will ever consider you town

what does UTR even mean in the context of the game? I understand it means "under the radar" or whatever but explain what the context of it was - give us your definition of what UTR is and how they don't fit that definition but I do???? why do I fit this definition? explain all of this shit to me

if you think my emotions have been smooth and sensible this game you clearly have not been reading my posts or clearly are making up some bullshit read

i will say it again, CUTE THOSE THREE EXAMPLES AND THREE CONTRASTING OR WE ARE DONE HERE

btw I'm sorry for calling you bad but I really don't see town ever coming up with such a shit read on a player and I don't think I've ever seen it done before and get taken as "logical" so you can see why I'm being like "wtf" here or not cos you think intuition is a good reason for a read as town and that's hilarious to me

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What sort of camp r u going to

I'm a disability support worker so I'm taking a group of adults on a camp up to the beach for two nights - we run activity stuff like this all the time for my job

p.s. peta says hi

p.p.s I will re-evaluate my read on FB of course but today isn't the day and I want scum (aka Autumn) dead rn

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Can you link said "intuition"/meta reasoning because I dont remember seeing that

ISO Autumn and read their posts before you call them logical then

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Firebringer can i interest u in an autumn vote?

Pedit: oh shit that sounds really cool, have fun’ also say hi to peta from me back! Does he agree on infinity btw?

every person on my team agrees; shady VERY much thinks Autumn is scum probably partnered with Chen
SPF thinks Autumn's read was suspicious as fuck
Peta says Autumn has been voteparked since 607 and there was nothing even there to push because she wasn't posting - but basically had this weird agenda to push there even though they were clearly AFK for a significant amount of the game - and the way you (Mena) entered and Autumn reacted felt as though he was determined to continue to push you rather than actually genuinely re-evaluating your slot (this is Peta's thoughts on Autumn) - Peta also thinks Autumn's read on me isn't logical and needs to be yelled at for

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https://epicmafia.com/topic/96118?page= ... ht=3411997
https://epicmafia.com/topic/96118?page= ... ht=3412147 (this is the best example, nothing you've posted this game is this awkward)
https://epicmafia.com/topic/96118?page= ... ht=3412251

These are example of how you're more "all over the place" in the other game, I don't even know if other people will see the difference I'm talking about but it's a very different vibe from this game

PEdit: mena I think you're making up bullshit because I don't think you believe scum!me, with the position I'm in in this game, would think I can get you mislimmed before you start obvtowning

quote the constrasting posts of how I'm not like that please

[Super]

Autumn answer my stuff about UTR

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But if it gets repped into by someone you think can turn it around then you’d better see if you can elim the slot or permanently compromise it before it consolidates

do u actually think scum go into like a hidden pt and go "ohh shit menaa joined everyone hurry and ovte him thread to get rid of him" cause sometimes u post like if thats what u think is going on

Yes I think that’s exactly a thing that happens bc I’ve had that thought as scum myself when someone has repped in

U didn’t answer the question of whether u can be interested in an autumn vote

im trying to subtly white knight for him. So no.

also i think infinity having the most unpopular opinions means he is town. infinity wouldn't rock the boat this hard as scum

FB reminder that 4 towns townreading each other in this setup literally wins the game for town

why wouldn't scum rock the boat?

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mafia NEED to rock the boat and have unpopular opinions in this setup to win - they HAVE to make sure no towncores form or else they fucking lose, of course mafia are going to be inciting paranoia on slots and oushing obv!town slots to try and win the game

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it might not be in their scum nature but can you see why it';s such a bullshit read from my point of view right?????

they think i'm scum and a deepwolf because koba and I were the ONLY universal townreads? HOW IS THAT EVEN A FUCKING READ??? SOMEONE EXPLAIN THIS "LOGIC" TO ME???????/

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HOW
AM
I
A
SCUMREAD
BECAUSE
KOBA
AND
I
WERE
THE
ONLY
UNIVERSAL
TOWNREADS

HOW
IS
THIS
A
READ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I THOUGHT IT MEANT UNDER THE RADAR BUT UNIVERSAL TR MAKES IT EVEN WORSE

AFHU;LDkGKNM,

[Super]

FIRE DON';T MAKE ME LOWER MY TR ON YOU FOR YOUR DEFENCE ON AUTUMN

[Super]

Autumn answer my stuff about UTR

Oh sorry UTR means universal townread

Also, it's like your whole ISO that feels different to me? Like 488 is one example, I thought it was genuine at the time, but it's like what I expect you to be feeling in response to koba if that makes sense. Whereas in the other game your emotions were different from anything I was expecting.

Kanna tells me she feels the same vibes as me on mena and he feels like one night stand where he was scum.

lol i know this is a blatant lie because i';ve been fucking emotional and angrier than normal this game compared to HPM (although i was fucking mad at honey that game) my reaction to koba this game would never happen if i was scum and i think it's a pretty obvoous comparison to all of my towngames x infinity

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Super I get that you clearly don't understand my reasons for SRing you, in some ways I don't really understand them either. I rely on them because gut is my best tool to find who scum is. But it can change. I feel like if you're town, you should try to understand my reasons for SRing you instead of getting upset and calling me scum for it.

Also ydrasse says mena is scumclaiming lol

I'm never going to townread you for a made up bullshit gutread on me

have actual reasons to scumread me or I'm never considering you town mate

@Firebringer, does Autumn's progression on me make sense to you? in your game of mafia do you think it's ok to just let this fly? point blank tell me that this is a valid reason. tell me - is it a valid reason for someone to say "oooh I have this gut feeling" "ok yeah, my gutfeeling is that there is a deepwolf, yup" "ohhhhh koba and super are universal townreads" "OH this means super HAS to be the deepwolf"

TELL ME FB, is this a legitimate read and shouldnt be pushed on? like what constitutes to you being something that town should push on them if not this? how is this logical in any way? please admit this is valid to me

everyone can do the same: everyone fucking tell me if this is valid reasoning on MS

[Super]

I want to just nip this in the bud by saying if I get misguillotined this game then super is off limits and koba doesn’t get listened to again for the rest of the game

Koba shouldn't be listened to ever in any mafia game ever anyways so it doesn't matter lmao

[Super]

everyone fucking tell me if this is valid reasoning on MS

lmao THANK YOU

[Super]

game aside i think super and nancy drew 39 would really get along

Lol now this is reminding me of something which is making me doubt my read

Super I'm sorry if I'm wrong about you being scum but also I wasn't even pushing you so I feel like your reaction isn't really fair

Also it's valid reasoning for me I don't really give a fuck if other people agree with me, I will scumhunt in the way I think is most effective

your scumhunting sucks though dude? having an intuition gut read ISNT FUCKING SCUMHUNTING AND IF THIS CONSTITUTES AS SCUMHUNTING TO YOU THEN I'M SO DONE WITH YOU THIS GAME - cos if you are town how will we ever win with you not reading my posts and just having gut shit to go by?

you said you'd vote me if a wagon was formed so ofc it felt like a push

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sorry will chill*** didnt see posts

[Super]

hey yall 2 for 1 deal for voting super-> you reduce the toxicity in the game AND you get rid of a scum.

this is rich coming from someone who has been toxic towards me all game and mocking me all game so yeah, shove it

I won't be toxic to Autumn or anyone else anymore I just don't see how any of their read on me is logical and how people can be defending that, it's just mindboggling to me

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lol I think Mena is town

[Super]

lol I think Mena is town

give a reason that isnt tone.

don't you think I'm mafia mate? why care?

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I don’t think u have a reason for scumreading me beyond the fact you dislike me @koba

Koba dislikes me and you so they scumread us

that's literally koba's playstyle and we are going to have to deal with them all game - should we just liability lynch them out today so we can strongarm a town win tomorrow? lmao

[Super]

super why am i a liability?

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM I WONDER WHY.................................................................

[Super]

my read on mena btw: scum need four miselims to win and Amy's slot was already getting pressed for her inactivity by players (including myself, I wanted to get more from her and was suss of her absence because in the MU game I played with her she was hella active as town right off the bat) - the slot was replaced by Mena whose energy was immediately towny imo and a player who looks like scum would have a hard time elimming based on their activity and personality from what I've seen and heard. scum either have to find another target (not this slot) or push and kill this slot now while people still have a bias against them because of AMy's inactivity

the fact I already think Autumn is scum and they immediately voted Mena rings red alarm bells for me

also the comparison of the one night stand game is based on nothing - Mena's energy is completely different to this game in comparison

look at his sub in there:

viewtopic.php?t=85481&f=23&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go
One Night Stand [Game Over] • Mafiascum.net

its so low energy in comparison to this and is a bullshit comparison to have been made

[Super]

I'm going now, gotta go and get ready for camp

sorry if I crossed the line but I can't play in a game where someone tunnels and mocks me all game and makes me feel like shit. I won't be around for a while, going to take a much needed break from this hell hole.

nice meeting you mena thanks for defending me, i appreciate it and thanks FB for also being nice to me even though i went a big crazy and mad today bye

[Super]

just in my car about to drive but realised autumn has a player on their team that knows me

autumn what's ydrasse's read on me?

[Super]

hi. i arrived at camp and have glanced at the thread state and feel genuinely just ... idk. on one hand i really do think mena is town, idk if its because it is the only player properly reading me this game (i guess fb has too which is nice) and defending me and trying to save town from completely fucking itself over. but i just feel really negative in general and Auro's partner telling me that my emotions are fake or seem made up is kinda disheartening and rude to hear. I'll respond properly later but I'm just going to say I'm on shift and I don't think I want this game to be consuming how I feel while I'm working and think if you guys really can't figure out I'm town and mena is also town then lynch me and town can realise their mess and fix it later. I honestly believe if Koba is town this game we are likely never going to win - I think their push on me to antagonise me and mock me is anti-town and I'm starting to worry it's a scum tactic to try and push me away from being townread and make me collapse (which I know is something they have said to players before if scum because I'm highly emotional and get very very upset when pushed on like that)

i haven't read autumn's responses or anything so idk how i even feel about them but i still think their read on me was bad and i stand by that.

I'll respond to stuff properly before I sleep cos I brought my laptop, I wish I could just ignore the thread and not be here but I hate reading and lurking and seeing things that make me annoyed and I hate how much I care about something so dumb. idk. I'm sorry that my playstyle is emotional and like this, Auro you can tell your partner I express myself genuinely because that's how I am and I'm sorry they just don't really get me and probably don't suit my playstyle but meh. I can't change my emotions for people to like me.

this is probably a dumb post to make idk just felt like expressing how i am feeling and how this game is making me feel. ill be back with reads and responses to stuff but yeah... i dont really know how to make the game feel better for me.

[Super]

Super, I just want to know your thoughts on Mena's proposition that one of you could be elim'd, and if town the other decides the elims.

why would I want either of us gone when I know I'm town and hard TR Mena? if town literally can't get a read on us then sure but only if you listen to Mena for the rest of the game which I doubt is going to happen especially if Koba is town. town will not win this game if Koba is town and you lynch m because they will always still tunnel Mena and be a liability later on.

[Super]

FB why do you townread me?

[Super]

FB why do you townread me?

how much time do u have

not much about to order pizza but you can still explain why I'm town for me to read later

[Super]

I'm vegan... so.... probably some kind of boring vego thing pls still love and townread me

[Super]

I love pineapple on pizza :3

[Super]

I'm vegan... so.... probably some kind of boring vego thing pls still love and townread me

+townpoints in my book!

<3_<3 the way all i had to do was tell you this to avoid the sadness of today

[Super]

ill be back later tonight xx

[Super]

please actually tell me why you tr me though fb

[Super]

omg it's so cute

[Super]

i legit thought you were an anime gurl like me for so long..

[Super]

we got fish n chips instead of pizza btw so sorry to betray all of you. I'm also probably not going to be able to post my responses thoughts until everyone is asleep

[Super]

Subject: Micro 960: A Year of Miccros II - Game Over

i have rarely had such conviction that a person is lockscum to this point so perhaps see there is some merit fmpov. what u think is towny is NAI. DOING pro town things is not inherently towny. sorry.

Will you quit the game when I flip town? Will you stop playing on site? I’ll self vote rn if you agree to do that

I'll delete my account

Last time we played together koba spent the ENTIRE time yelling about how I was scum to the entire game and claimed they were so confident they’d delete their account if wrong

Whereas I (who was obviously town lol) spent the day correctly calling koba out as town regardless of how toxic they became

I bring this up to clarify that koba has probably got no idea how to read me and should really be ignored as their claims of confidence don’t have any correlation with their actual accuracy

I was going to ask you how confident you were on your read on Koba? I still think they're town (unfortunately) and I'm probably going to ISO them at some point soon to confirm that read I have but it gets to the point where they are antagonising you and mocking you in a way that it feels like they aren't genuinely trying to get a read on you and it almost *feels* scum motivated because of how bad it is. do you think they're playing the same way as that game? I spoke to one of my teammates about their push on me and they still think they're town and think that the game they were scum and pushed me felt different.

I think I'm always going to have a paranoia read on a player who literally has no chance of ever listening or trying to genuinely make an effort to hear my POV or see if I am actually town. I think Koba has this thing inside them that they are scared of ever being wrong on me because of how good my scumgame can be (to them) that they will ALWAYS scumread me no matter what because they don't want to be wrong if I am scum - but if I'm town they will just shrug and say I was toxic and playing badly so that's why they tunneled me - it's almost a losing battle with them and they're the sort of player who really, really needs to work on how they play, especially if they are town here.

p.s. I am on my laptop sneakily while everyone is watching La La Land

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Subject: Micro 960: A Year of Miccros II - Game Over

i have rarely had such conviction that a person is lockscum to this point so perhaps see there is some merit fmpov. what u think is towny is NAI. DOING pro town things is not inherently towny. sorry.

Will you quit the game when I flip town? Will you stop playing on site? I’ll self vote rn if you agree to do that

I'll delete my account

Last time we played together koba spent the ENTIRE time yelling about how I was scum to the entire game and claimed they were so confident they’d delete their account if wrong

Whereas I (who was obviously town lol) spent the day correctly calling koba out as town regardless of how toxic they became

I bring this up to clarify that koba has probably got no idea how to read me and should really be ignored as their claims of confidence don’t have any correlation with their actual accuracy

I was going to ask you how confident you were on your read on Koba? I still think they're town (unfortunately) and I'm probably going to ISO them at some point soon to confirm that read I have but it gets to the point where they are antagonising you and mocking you in a way that it feels like they aren't genuinely trying to get a read on you and it almost *feels* scum motivated because of how bad it is. do you think they're playing the same way as that game? I spoke to one of my teammates about their push on me and they still think they're town and think that the game they were scum and pushed me felt different.

I think I'm always going to have a paranoia read on a player who literally has no chance of ever listening or trying to genuinely make an effort to hear my POV or see if I am actually town. I think Koba has this thing inside them that they are scared of ever being wrong on me because of how good my scumgame can be (to them) that they will ALWAYS scumread me no matter what because they don't want to be wrong if I am scum - but if I'm town they will just shrug and say I was toxic and playing badly so that's why they tunneled me - it's almost a losing battle with them and they're the sort of player who really, really needs to work on how they play, especially if they are town here.

p.s. I am on my laptop sneakily while everyone is watching La La Land

[Super]

By the way I think the most important slot to sort right now is Auro, and I think in particular Auro-Super interactions are worth examining.

why are these interactions important to you Chen-Chen?

its so low energy in comparison to this and is a bullshit comparison to have been made

He was sick and V/LA for a large part of the game, and when he came back he had a lot of energy

can you quote where you think his high energy reflects similar to this game then?

I like Mena. I don't wanna lim there.

I'd be down for a chenny or super vote, or koba if you twisted my arm.

why do you like Mena? if you like Mena why aren't you agreeing on their TR on me btw (yeah, I'm stubborn)

also why don't you like Chen or Koba? also these reads are kinda strange... you would want me but also could go Koba? do you think we could ever be partners here lmao?

i feel mena energy is off because he is holding back from being toxic and i really appreciate him doing that btw.

Would like to concur with this.

By the way I think the most important slot to sort right now is Auro, and I think in particular Auro-Super interactions are worth examining.

Go on

So this is the thought process I had:

"Okay Auro feels really weird right now, the general vibe - or lack thereof I'm getting from him right now makes me think he's scum. I also have had reservations about Super and kind of Menalque based on the last N posts, so that's a good place to start looking. Yeah ok Auro might be scum here and I'm getting bad vibes from Super, let me see how he's been defending her recently-

"wait HUH auro is voting super???? ok NOW i really need to start paying attention to this game and rereading the two of them"

can you tell me why you didn't like my last posts or why you had bad vibes? is it my negativity and anger? I can see why people wouldn't like it but do you really think I'd go that far as scum here in a game where I know no one but Koba? do you really think I'd care that much?

what's your read on Mena?

also you thought Auro and I were partnered? explain?

For the record, Menalque, I don't even know if I have scum vibes on Auro anymore, mostly because I expected him to be defending super and not voting there. That kind of shook my view of both slots really hard and made me question if I was really paying enough attention to the game.

It's mostly based on the way you guys were interacting with Koba for the second part.

can you elaborate on what you didn't like about the way we were interacting with Koba? do you think them mocking me is healthy and going to make me react in a nice way? especially when I called them out in my first post and told everyone they would do this and they continued to actually do this to me :/

That kind of shook my view of both slots really hard and made me question if I was really paying enough attention to the game.

What does that mean for auro/super alignments?

No clue right now. But I think I should elaborate on the way I play mafia as town for those who havent played with me before (almost everyone), esp because it's really out of the ordinary:

I don't really try to sort people too confidently early on. I just think my early reads aren't reliable enough to deviate significantly from chance and I'd probably get a lot of exposure bias (and contribute to it!) if I actually had any form of confidence in my reads. Instead, what I try to do is I try to track the development of the game and identify what the "keystone slots" are: the ones that are most feasible to solve and end up having a large impact on the game if sorted correctly. Then I actually try to sort some non-empty subset of these slots, and when I do make progress I can look at the game from another perspective, all while updating based on new info that comes in (posts, flips, etc). In the end my "solve" ends up looking drastically different from the common opinion.

To put it more explicitly, I believe Super, Auro, and possibly Menalque are the keystone slots here. Hence why I'm going to be focusing on them so much.

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why are we the three keystone slots? wouldn't you also think Autumn is a keystone slot? also if you wanna sort me you should probably talk to me and question me because I haven't felt like you're talking to me to try and figure me out much people like to talk about me though

@flopz @lili @auro can i interest any of u three in a delicious autumn wagon?

Hmmmm, I’m feeling like atm it’s either a Chenn+AL scum-team or Men (+maybeee Super but I don’t want to vote there) is scum.

I was casing Auro but after all this stuff is happening I started looking more at Chenn and Infinity.

Aside from Chenn being a massive liar about his hyperposting, the only hyper part is the amount of times Chenn has called his posting hyperposting lmao. The whole Chenn V Fire thing was just so meh. Like Chenn didn’t do anything with that and it was a pretty -.- affair. Like Chenn's been talking a lot about how if he was scum his hyperposting would be off the chain and how he would take over the thread. I don’t know why they wouldn’t just do that as Town then and try to push in a Townie direction if they believe they can so easily take over the thread.

I feel that Chenn + Infinity just seem too together this game, especially looking back through the game. With both agreeing together quite often and from both sides.

Tho for Infinity, I do like how they were fair to me after my push against them and didn’t hold it to me after. They also felt a lot better after their first day. Now, their Super push out of nowhere is either really scummy or so out of left field it goes all the way back to town and I haven't finished deliberating over this. So I think rn I would put my vote on either Chenn or Men

I find this post really interesting. you're saying you think Chen/Infinity are potentially teamed and you go on about Chen's hyper posting thing (which imo isn't really a tell, them saying they hyper post and then not hyper post is like... NAI and I don't care for that read lmao). I was thinking the same about Autumn/Chen being teamed but something recent which I'm going to get into has pinged me more in the sense that Autumn is trying to pocket Chen more than anything else (I will elaborate). ANYWAYS, I find this post interesting because you say "maybeee super" in brackets and also are scum-leaning Mena yet you had me as a townread early on pretty sure and I wanna know where this progression ever happened? Also, you finished by saying you'd vote in Chen or Mena which imo is weird because you started off saying it was Chen/Infinity but then didn't say you'd vote Infinity - which makes me worry you're actually Infinity's partner potentially trying to get a Chen wagon instead (especially when I think Autumn was trying to pocket Chen earlier and makes me think Chen could very much be town)

would you vote Infinity today, Flopz?

Mena, is there a reason you think I'm scum besides that I have a strong SR on you out of the gate? It doesn't feel like you're trying to accurately sort me, and it doesn't feel like you're exercising any caution wrt my slot despite talking about how you were wrong about me last time. Especially because you're upset at koba for not being cautious around you in the same way.

I'm not really sure why people are talking about a me/chenn team, like wouldn't that be too obvious? The reasons we have agreed on so much are in the thread, from the time we both SRed auro early on, to the time we both had paranoia and were re-evaluating lots of reads at the same time. I considered that he could be pocketing me, but I think it's more likely we're just both town and have come to similar conclusions about the game.

this is a funny post for you to make because I felt the same way about you when Mena entered the game and instead of sorting them/figuring them out you outright scumread them which to me felt odd - and as I said Amy was an easy push since she was already afk and so the sub coming into the game was definitely a push mafia would want to optimise on

can you explain your townread fully on Chen to me Autumn? I want to know where it comes from and if you can go deeper on it

just in my car about to drive but realised autumn has a player on their team that knows me

autumn what's ydrasse's read on me?

Last thing ydrasse said about you was that she was doubting her TR on you. I feel like my teammates don't really have enough time to keep up with the game properly so are trusting my reads to some extent, or are at least influenced by my reads a lot. But I will take into account her first instinct which was that you were town.

I don't really believe this, I feel like Ydrasse would know how to read me fairly well.. why were they doubting their read on me? get them to ISO me and get a read please.

@flopz what do you think the implication for others’ alignments is if infinity!scum? What about if infinity!town?

I feel if Infinity is scum, then it's more likely for Chenn to be scum due to associations. Tho if Infinity is Town I feel like at least one of you and Super are scum for your pushes towards them, this will also make Auro more townie as Auro's Super push was based on their reaction to Infinity. Also makes FB more townie as fire has been pretty accomodating to Infinity's "hot takes".

I don't like this post because it sets up the idea that if Autumn is town (which I'm still having a hard time believing) then one of us are scum when in reality that might not be the case at all and we could just be wrong. I kinda like your train of thought on Auro... maybe? but at the same time, Auro's push on me kinda felt a bit safe since there was already paranoia on my slot and getting rid of me > autumn would be the optimal move for scum to make here (if we are both town) because I'm quite a hard towny to miselim - although this might be the first game I'm even miselimmed as town but I am going to scratch it from my track record because Koba is in the game so I no longer consider this a real mafia game lmao

@Flopz I dont really think I agree/understand the last bit because scum can position themselves in multiple places and it's definitely possible fb/super scum would position themselves like that

if anyone is going to say i'm scum at least say i'm partnered with FB <3_<3 thank you chen, this is the team everyone wants to see and love

Hot take: Menalque and Super are easier lims than you might think

This is probably truer than it should be

it's only true because of the town we got randomed this game (well you chose to sub into this player list so.... idk what the fk you're doing here when you saw the thread and how bad it was)

here is this juicy LHF screaming for scum to get an easy miselim, oh yes, but instead they go for (mena??? super?????)

what is this gamestate

i don't see it. how is flopz low hanging fruit

low charisma, low aggressiveness, low thread presence, low content level -> easy miselim

the same could be said for Johnny though, right? what's your read on Johnny?

Flopz is in my PoE and honestly could see them partnered with Autumn but this is a hot take that has no backing and I'd need to ISO the slots interactions

I think I want to put Infinity at a Town-lean for me but I'm still fully working on wtf is going on with my reads becuase I'm kinda looking at things in two distinct bubbles atm

where did this read come from in the time you said that Infinity/Chen were scum together??????????????? huh? Flopz explain

infinity, what would you say your degree of confidence is on super vs mena? can you articulate any differences between the two reads?

I'm significantly more confident on mena. On super it's very vague, it's still a strong instinct which I feel like I should trust but I've been doubting it recently. Whereas mena it's like, he had fake reads upon replacing in, he usually obvtowns when he's pushed on and hasn't done that here, and he didn't really make efforts to sort me despite being unsure about me at first. So I feel like I have a lot more concrete on mena.

Infinity it's getting to the point where you can't just say things without backing your reads up lol - what were fake about Mena's reads? can you quote them? you scumread me based on instinct and vague? like???? how is that a thing? it feels like you know people know you do this weird gut shit as town so you're trying to do it this game to be TR (particularly by FB tbh with the gut shit) it's almost as though you're playing on your own meta yet are refusing to actually have real reads here or provide proper reasons for your reads without explaining them properly

can you show me a game where Mena is obvtown when pushed on that you can compare to here?

Can you describe what “him usually obvtowning when pushed on” looks like and how he’s different here?

mindmeld >:)

Can you describe what “him usually obvtowning when pushed on” looks like and how he’s different here?

Full disclosure, PyP is the only time I played with town!mena, but like

Do you remember when he almost got limmed because of your guilty and went into super solvy mode at the very end and everyone unvoted? Another time I remember him obvtowning is when hoopla pushed on him a bit d4 and he basically went ballistic, yelling that hoopla was scum and needed to die. Best way I can describe it is that he feels like he's playing his town game except in 480p. You can see the basic idea, but it's not as sharp/clear as usual.

Also what about his reads seemed fake to you?

1626 and 1640 talk about how I felt the chenn SR was fake, I'll talk about some other things later tonight

can you link that game for me?

I keep asking things and then seeing others have asked it and you've answered lol

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=85406 look at how I approach gimli here

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=84991 and how I approach isis/gloria here on d2


You know my reads are largely based on gut anyway, and you know I have reasons beyond the chenn read to SR your readslist, I just haven't given them because you're not interested. I also tried to engage scum!flavor head on in one night stand, so clearly my lack of confident wrt tryharding scum has changed since then, you just chose to ignore that evidence.

thanks for these games @_@ I'm gonna go through them both at some point

Last post to mena and then I'm done.

I have a problem with confidence. Specifically, how much confidence I should assign to my scumreads. I think my gut is a really strong tool for finding scum, but it's difficult to use properly. Obviously, it's not always right, and it's difficult to engage with the reasons why my gut pings when it does. What I haven't figured out yet is when I just need to trust my gut, and when I need to re-evaluate. When I'm wrong, and when I need to push scum until they die. For every wrong scumread I tunnel into the ground, I have at least one correct scumread that just sort of...dissipates (hoopla in PyP was a perfect example). The way I felt about mena when he replaced in was that he was absolutely 100% scum. It was a much closer feeling to my correct scumreads than to my incorrect scumreads, to the extent that I can tell the difference. It felt very different from the gimli and gloria scumreads that I linked above. I also happened to have a decent amount of evidence to support my point. But to be completely honest, me having evidence that I can cite for someone being scum doesn't correlate very highly with them having a red role pm. My gut does. In silent star 3 (linked above) I really felt that isis was scum, and she kept responding to my scumread with possible reasons why I could be wrongly scumreading her. Eventually, it got to the point where I gave up trying to explain the read and wrote a poem about it. Because to me, she was completely avoiding the core reason why she was scum, and that was my gut. And yes, gut is impossible to respond to, but at some point that's how it is. Sometimes, the best time to re-evaluate is in postgame.

Right now, I'm still debating whether to re-evaluate mena. To be perfectly honest, the last couple pages gave me doubt on my mena SR. He seemed to be using information that he knew about my playstyle to read me here, which is a towny thing to do. He also had a sort of fire in him that seems pretty difficult to fake. Then again, I do think mena would be very motivated here as scum, and I remember being impressed by the fire he had in him in One Night Stand where he was scum. Kanna, who has more experience with scum!mena than I do, is still convinced that he's scum here. I also have PyP!mena in the back of my head saying "don't townread me for that!". And given that I laid out a lot of what scum!mena had to do to get me to townread him here, I don't see why he isn't just scum.

More about mena's entrance reads later, for lilith.

I do think Autumn reconsidering Mena here is ... kinda towny but idk if he's doing it in a way because he knows Mena is being towny so it's probably better to move elsewhere and look towny in the process or if Autumn is genuinely trying to slot Mena :/ I agree with Autumn that Mena looking at those games and linking and comparing them was pretty fucking towny lol and I can see why Autumn thought this - I don't think people should completely go by gut unless you have other reasons backing them up though, like lol I can have a gut read but I'm always going to re-evaluate that and ISO a player if I'm really unsure

Mena what do u think of this from Autumn?

This game is going to be a pain in the ass because I think koba is gonna refuse to vote apart from on town and that means needing literally every other town to vote correctly in order to elim scum so long as scum refuse to bus

literally a mindmeld and literally why I think mena has to be town cos so many of his posts are literally my thoughts exactly (especially with Koba)

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ok that was probably a bit too long lol sorry i'm a nightmare with this forum

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Okie I’m gonna respond to Auro’s case now =)
I think a big part of your read on me is just… not understanding how I play. Me feeling “fence-sitty” is completely normal as town and if you go and read all the games I posted you will see this in my town (and scum games, however as scum I always bus so I don’t necessarily fencesit there lol) – I struggle at finding scum so my focus in games is always to find town, always. I use PoE as my sole way of finding mafia and maybe that way of hunting is ineffective but it’s how I play and probably why you were like “wow why isn’t Super pushing anyone”. I never realise I have to push anyone lol and I’m town so I was never thinking that way at all obviously, if I’m scum I don’t really ever push because I find it really fucking hard to scumread a townslot and push it because it always feels like digenuine and I end up just townreading them lmao whereas as town when I make a push it is very aggressive and comes across different (idk this is dumb explaining my meta unless you know me, but I want you to understand but also feel like me explaining will do nothing blegh). Like at that point in the game why would I make a push on AL of all people when they had just scumread me and outed a paranoia read on me? It looked like a literal fucking blatant OMGUS in that case and even when I was talking to my team about Autumn and how I thought their read on me was bad I was like “should I still push them even though people will legit think I’m OMGUSing them?” and shady was like who cares they’re scum. I was completely AWARE of it looking bad and it coming out of no where but because I felt so strongly about it I still did it and was genuine about it – if I was scum I would be WAYYYY more careful with my pushes, Koba even says I’m this S-tier scumplayer and yet yall think I’d be like this as scum? A fence-sitty mess who randomly jumps in with a strong push out of no where because I feel like “I need to push someone”? if I was scum in this game, trust me I’d be townread a lot more than this because I’d be a lot more careful with my posts/who I’m townreading/who I’m pushing/etc. I hponestly do think I personally would bus a teammember d1 but that’s just me and my confidence of end-gaming alone as scum (lmao, and I literally did this in my last wolf game if you want to see that). I have stances on every slot, Auro, I just trust Shady’s opinion and my mates opinions a lot because Peta has meta and because they are better town players than me and I tend to have paranoia and townread people too easily, I have asked them multiple times to help me and that I’m lost and worried about my reads so me “hiding” behind their reads is bs. I can tell you what I think at all times but I am trusting them to an extent because I think they’re good and they have been reading my game pretty closely (well shady has been but he’s my bf and knows I’ve been pretty upset with the game so he has been trying to help me out and calm me down, plus he also has been getting pissy about this game but yeah that’s another story).

Also I never unvoted Amph in that moment you think I did, I was unvoting Koba not Amph because my vote was on Koba at the time, I’ve seen you mention this several times but I didn’t correct you cos I didn’t think that had actually affected you that much but you keep saying it, I did not unvote Amph it was a Koba vote I had lmao

Xtoxm – how am I playing like scum? O_O also why is my FB read fake? I think I’ve explained that read fairly well? Especially early game? The way you think my emotional feel meh and made up really angers me and is kinda disrespectful but whatever. Like you think I could be town faking these emotions? Honestly such a shitty thing to say to me.
“Your current behavior isn't allowing you to get included in that group for me, personally. Please stop acting in scum-beneficial ways. Please cease the AtE, pockets, and the posts designed to just garner townreads. These are all things I scumread in isolation. Hunt down scum and just give us your *actual* reads and cut out the rest."”
Like unfortunately this is the way I play and I’m not going to change for you, if you can’t read me because of my emotion and how I play and my fluffy posts and being genuine in everything I fucking say then that’s on you. I don’t purposely use AtE, this is just how I express myself and mafia is a game where you are allowed to express yourself in any way you like, if you don’t like that and scumread that then that’s on you and your own fault for scumreading things like AtE or not being able to read into slots who are emotional. I will post my reads but I’m still going to express myself this way because that’s all I know and all I can do – I can’t play like an emotionless robot like some people. It’s just not who I am.

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and now I'm going to post my reads even though I want to do a full ISO on every slot at some point (maybe on the weekend, tbh I don't even know when this day fucking ends it feels like a lifetime; I'm so used to 48 hour days and this is just a nightmare). I also haven't read that deeply into every slot because I've been so focused on defending myself and explaining things (normally when I'm town people actually townread me and that means I have way more time focusing on ISOs and scumhunting but y'all have made this a lot harder for me - again, I'm typing as though this is my diary and Auro's teammate Xtoxm is going to hate me for it BUT THIS IS HOW I PLAY SO DEAL). OKAY DOING MY FKN READS NOW.

Town -

Mena -

I think their entry into the game was towny and energetic and I'm not sure why so many people jumped onto them so quickly (maybe it's a weird thing about Mena cos it seems like a lot of people know them and they have a reputation). The strongest reason I TR Mena is because they are literally in the same position as me it seems - Koba is hard tunneling them because Koba doesn't like them and Mena is saying things I'm literally thinking/have said and considering I know I'm town - Mena and I are mindmelding so hard. There has also been moments where Mena has had a string of posts where you can literally see them thinking and see their train of thought which to me makes sense and is genuine af. I really liked the way they have been questioning players; in particular their interactions with Autumn are really good, especially where Mena called Autumn out for a meta read which wasn't particularly true and they linked certain games (I don't know why Mena!scum would go to the effort of pursuing Autumn in such a way) - also their interactions with Lilly/Chen/Auro are decent, I don't really see who Mena's partners would be if they were scum at this point (definitely not Koba lol). I'm just completely vibing with this slot and hopefully I'm not just hard pocketed because they have been defending me so much and white-knighting my ass but it feels good to be seen and for there to be a competent town player in the game (no offence to everyone else but I think this town is a bit of a mess and needs to sort their shit out)

Koba -

Unfortunately Koba is still town. at this point I think if Koba was scum then their tactics to aggravate me and mock me and try make me quit a mafia game is completely uncalled for and I'd blacklist them for life for it (and yes, I'm still never joining a game with them again after this regardless of their alignment). I really do think they genuinely think I'm mafia and that they have "caught" me - there have been moments where I know what they're thinking/know what they're going to say because I know they are town conf-biased as fuck. I still get moments of paranoia from them because surely town can't be this bad but I really do think this is their town game and this probably means the game isn't winnable so I'm trying to not care as much since we were doomed from the start. I cbf actually explaining the deeper reasons for this read but will when I actually have the time (I'm on camp so I can't go as in depth as usual)

Firebringer -

I still think FB is town even though Mena is cautious of this slot - I do worry about their read on Autumn a bit but I think if Autumn does end up being town then FB will probably look a lot better (I think FB!scum here would follow me on my push on Autumn if Autumn were town). I've explained this read a lot before so I won't go deeper here.

Leaning town -

Lillith -

I think Lillith's wallpost and reads were good and them admitting they have 0 townreads now is also a fairly towny thing to say and I doubt scum would admit such a thing straight off the bat. I also think the fact they were so hyperfocused on me and my read change was towny and the way they were frustrated about it was also towny - I don't think they ever resolved this issue though which sucks cos I just want them to engage with me more so they can sort me out and solve the game with me instead of being lost in the thread - everytime I see Lilly post I feel like they just have no idea wat's going on and no real solid reads to stick with and I just wanna hold their hand and talk to them and help them but they seem busy so, yeah. I like Lilly's refusal to listen to anyone and vote people when someone tells them to; I do think they should start finding scum though and reading people's cases because it has been a few days now where it's like... surely you have an idea now... don't be THAT lost with us because town will just crumble that way. anyways I more or less just think lillith is town even though they have no reads and that kinda bothers me but also don't know why scum would do that lol

Chen -

Idk what it is about Chen but a lot of their posts feel towny to me. it's like this self-awareness thing they have where they say stuff about themselves and it comes across as kinda genuine (I will quote these tomorrow and show you what I mean). I also think Infinity was trying to pocket Chen in a way and I no longer think Chen/Autumn are partnered based on recent posts and the way in which Autumn was talking about them (felt more pockety than anything else). I also kinda like some of the emotion Chen has omitted but I don't wanna base my read solely on that either - I need Chen to explain some reads to me for me to understand their perspective more, I questioned them a bit in my wallpost so hopefully they answer that - I want them to engage with me more overall tbh lol cos they said I'm a slot they need to focus on yet they don't talk to me much

Basically this leaves Autumn/Flopz/Johnny/Auro - I think Autumn is mafia still. I think Flopz could be a potential Autumn partner - especially when Flopz said they thought Chen/Autumn were teamed but never said they'd vote Autumn but they'd happily vote Chen/Mena (???). Johnny is lurky and hasn't said much so I have them as null - like how can anyone place this slot? I have no idea what to think of them. Auro was towny to me and could still be town but I wish they'd be more fair on me - idk :/ Maybe I'm being bitter and putting them in my PoE because of that idk.

basically I think if I'm wrong about anyone it is probably FB or Chen or maybe Koba if they actually are just pushing me as scum and decided that was the best tactic this way to win the game and keep me out of the towncore, idk. it's only D1 so these reads could definitely change, I really, really need to see a flip honestly and think 10 days for a d1 is ridiculous

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also the reason i didn't go deeper into autumn/flopz/johnny/auro is because it's almost midnight and i should go to sleep since everyone else is and i have a big camp day tomorrow swimming

i can see people/scum being like 'omg super didn't explain her poe reads she cant do it she must be scum huehuehue'

i will do in 24 hours when i have time again cos me have camp and life to live and i'm tired after the fish n chips i devoured (aka just potato cos i'm vegan)

goodnight

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I just hopped in bed and skimmed your post and will say yeah I never got around to reading yours games and I WILL AND WANT TO but I'm literally away on a work camp - my teammate linked me that Mena game and I skimmed the intro and posted it

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LOL I'm sorry I'm the worst

I swear I used paragraphs but I copy from word and it fucks it

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like I even was aware that you asked me to read your games and i was like yeah i will but have been honestly lazy and haven't had time to.

it's hard for me to read three other games, this one, be tunneled by from koba, post reads, FIND READS AND MAFia and then also make coffee

my time management skills in general suck so im sorry i havent done it but im also a real life mess. i promise to read the games within the next 48 hours (i cant promise 24 im sorry lol cos im at work)

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I just hopped in bed and skimmed your post and will say yeah I never got around to reading yours games and I WILL AND WANT TO but I'm literally away on a work camp - my teammate linked me that Mena game and I skimmed the intro and posted it

That's fair, I didn't expect you to have done it by now or in the next couple of days lol as you're at your work camp but that's why I reacted hard to you checking out a Mena game. Just wanted to make that clear

yeah I can see why you would think that 100% and I literally read like the first 10 posts (and when I say read I mean skimmed) of the mena game and I was hard casing autumn at the time so it was my priority and felt important

if i was casing you/trying to read you sincerely and was focused on you I'd 100% read your games so i could properly read you better and make sure my read is right

if it helps you being annoyed/paranoid of me because of this does come across as towny

it's funny cos whenever i engage with u or read you i get townvibes but my team doesnt like you

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I should really sleep but I'm sad cos you are always here when I'm about to doze off and I do wanna talk more with you

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I think you wanting me to sort you/read your games was towny and general ~vibes~ I had of you early game was towny but you fell because my teammates all scumread you and because of my current PoE but I definitely am probably wrong somewhere

who would you say I'm misreading in my reads if I was misreading anyone?

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do you have any questions for me?

one thing I did notice was you wanting me to read you and you always have spoken to me as though I'm town from your pov which sometimes felt like a TMI thing? like you saying "hey super read my towngames and you should be able to slot me easier" or whatever but do you have any questions for ME? like I feel like sometimes your engagement with me is to convince me you're town instead of trying to read me?

does that make sense? lol

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I think you wanting me to sort you/read your games was towny and general ~vibes~ I had of you early game was towny but you fell because my teammates all scumread you and because of my current PoE but I definitely am probably wrong somewhere

who would you say I'm misreading in my reads if I was misreading anyone?

Fuck, I don't even know anymore, my brain's kinda just exploded. I agree with Koba being a solid TR and with Fire being high too. I also think Lilith is pretty towny with Johnny being pretty Null. Don't disagree with the moments of genuine stuff from Chenn which I talked about yesterday and my Infinity read is all over the place. I want to say Mena but I was going to go over that to see if I am the one whose messed up my reads there, this response is becoming a mess lol. I didn't read your Auro thing becuase it was too hard

you don't need to read my Auro thing lol it's for Auro and was me ranting mostly and the paragraph is ugly af lmao I kinda want it to burn for it's fucking ugliness

why has your brain exploded?

maybe ISO Mena for me and tell me what you come to?

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it's funny cos my teammates said a lot of your posts come across as self-conscious on how you are perceived

and when you said 'this response is becoming a mess lol.' it triggered me cos of what they said like you're hyper aware of your posts or something? I don't necessarily find it scummy cos I literally say the same shit about my own posts but I can kinda see where they're coming from with that

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yeah, that does make sense if you have a really strong or strong-ish TR on someone and so you speak to them as if you have TMI cos you just think they're town

I get that, but it definitely kinda felt that way in moments for me

anyways imma sleep now, I'll respond properly to that post tomorrow and hopefully you'll be around to talk more

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oh really? why the style change? you can probably tell i literally say everything I'm thinking in all my posts which leads me to trouble lol

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defs wanna read your games more now to see the difference, might make you harder to read though unless those games you linked was you also being more open ?

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ew, it's you

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goodnight Flopz =)

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I think Autumn and Mena HAS to be town vs mafia at this point because nl one is willing to vote Autumb
n and at this point I think mafia would be jumping on that

my team literally think this game is doomed and town are stuck up their own ass

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you guys are literally all setting up this dumb af mena lynch but won't reconsider tomorrow if you're wrong and Chen is saying as much

at this point I'm willing to say lynch Autumn now and if they flip town I'll fucking self-vote tomorrow

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Lilly are you mafia? cos for some reason I'd expect you to be more reasonable/better than this but

honestly, idek

this town is a nightmare to me to deal with.

why the fuck does no one wanna vote Infinity? I KNOW I'M TOWN, yet the only people wanting to vote them with me is Mena

I think Mena is town over Autumn, so where are the mafias coming to vote Infinity??? all I see are people now being suss of mena?? like yall either think Mena and me are partnered or Autumn is just scum

like this cannot be tvt at this point

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my partners are quite literally saying this town is cooked

Koba, listen to me; shady, jess and gira all think Autumn is scum - they are deadset on this read. if Autumn flips town just fucking lynch me tomorrow, since either way I'd want out of this game for dealing with a towny who bases an entire read on gut and a town unwilling to re-evaluate anything

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sorry I keep saying the L word, miselim****

its from my home site sorry

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No FB, I'm not chilling. everytime I come and read it I see bullshit and it triggers me

I also wake up to my teammates literally saying this game is doomed and they cannot believe what they read???..

so yeah it annoys me

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chennisden - Quick Attack
JohnnyFarrar - Mask Your Worries
Flopz - Team 'Team 'Team' Team' Team
Auro - Loyal Servants
Lilith2013 - Daylight Savings Time
Infinity 324 - The Four Seasons (Autumn Leaves)
Ampharos - Mana Crypt
Super - Onlyregfans
Firebringer - All your Scummies belong to us
DkKoba - Suicide Squad

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chennisden
DkKoba
Flopz
Firebringer
Infinity 324
JohnnyFarrar
Lilith2013
Super

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at this point anyone who votes Mena over Autumn to me is scumclaining

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lol i did that thing again ffs

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Super I know this is WIFOM but I could come up with some bullshit reasons to SR you if I wanted, it would make me look a lot better but gut is the reason I think you're scum. And I'm still not 100% sure on it but it's frustrating that you keep saying I'm scum because I can't explain the read, even though I kinda get it. There's actually nothing I can do though

the thing is you have come up with BS reasons to scumread me, you literally cherry-picked a towngame of mine and used that to justify a gut read????

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ah yes, the good old “if you don’t agree with me then you must be scum!!!1!1!1!1!1!”

I didn’t put in 8 hours and write 5k words because I was scum, lmao. I would have been happy to coast on “being busy”

If you want to hash things out then I’m more than happy to do that. I’m not voting mena. I want to discuss this read. don’t come at me with the attitude of “I’m not going to townread you unless you agree with me” and maybe like - interact with me instead. I’m so fed up with everyone having this attitude. It sucks.

pedit: you’re just proving my point

then talk to me

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Lily what do you think that says about my fucking alignment? like at this point surely you can see I'm town being annoyed as hell about the game state and the way I literally can't cooperate with anyone here?

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lets just say i think menalque is town but also id be surprised if he was

this is such a fence sitty post like wtf? you think mena is town but would be surprised if he was????
what
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Lily what do you think that says about my fucking alignment? like at this point surely you can see I'm town being annoyed as hell about the game state and the way I literally can't cooperate with anyone here?

ok and??? I’m not scumreading you. Regardless of your alignment, your attitude doesn’t help. This is not a discussion of whether you are town.

it isn't but it's funny how I bleed town and you guys seem to just get mad at me instead of trying to read me lol

wouldn't solving my slot when interacting with me be helpful for you in the game? unless you're the sort of player who looks for scum and not town?

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I'll respond to your read on Mena/Infinity later tonight Lilly, I'm on mobile atm and it's hard

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FB I get this worried feeling you just know I'm town from TMI and its why you just keep speaking to me as though you know I'm town but also know you can't be on my side cos you're scum and need to vote elsewhere

do u get what i mean i fe like if you were mafia you'd feel too bad for me to sr me

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I'll respond to your read on Mena/Infinity later tonight Lilly, I'm on mobile atm and it's hard

okay great. this would be lovely. I’d have appreciated if this was your initial response to me rather than what you actually posted.

sorry, I entered the thread angry because I woke up to like 10 messages in my discord about this game and how doomed it is and it made me disheartened. I'm sorry if my reaction upset you, I am a very open person and wear my heart on my sleeve and never think before I speak

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I don't remember where you said I was town Lillith? I think your conclusion on me was paranoia?

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I wanted to ask Auro this: who are my partners if I'm scum and who are your strongest townreads?

because at this point I have pissed almost half (if not all the table) off and you stated you doubt mena/I are teamed

I'm pushing on Autumn and you TR them so you obv don't think we are teamed
you TR Chen (I think?) i actually dont remember your reads Auro and mobile sucks lol

I just wanna know who he'd think my team is if he is so sure I'm scum

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bleh ill try find your reads actually.

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ok i have no idea who auro trs and need them to post that for me zzz

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FB I get this worried feeling you just know I'm town from TMI and its why you just keep speaking to me as though you know I'm town but also know you can't be on my side cos you're scum and need to vote elsewhere

do u get what i mean i fe like if you were mafia you'd feel too bad for me to sr me

I am on your side girl. What u talking about, me not voting autumn isn't me against u. It is me saying i don't agree with u on this point. If you don't think i am on ur side because im defending autumn i don't know what to tell u.

could i be with autumn/infinity and just decided to hard tr cause i feel bad for u? I guess in some world sure. Like i can't give u any magic words to throw away ur doubt. If u don't believe i townread u here than i guess don't believe it? I am not going to argue with u if u decide im just trying to pocket u or something.

my general philisophy is not to try to convince people who i townread that i am town because A) its unproductive B) its a waste of my time and both those are true because as soon as i try to "convince" ur just gonna think im manipulating.

so unless u have targetted questions for me on specific reasoning on why i think ur town. Like how did u come to this (insert reason) X? or what have you, i am pretty much done responding to ur paranoia lol

you're probably right. and it's probs why people think I'm trying to manipulate them when I genuinely just want people to townread me so the game is easier for town... I still tr you. I'm just paranoid about Autumn being mafia and if I'm wrong then it's whatever, how strongly do you think they're town? who do you think could be Mena's partners?

sorry for being annoying