Final Fantasy XIV - A Realm Reborn Mafia (Game Over)

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:00 am

I'll vote SC since that's a hard guilty, but I still think TC >rand scum specially with the way they claimed, and the same role I have no less. Like why should we believe town has 2 doctors and apparently his is ungated as well?
VOTE: SC

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:03 am

In post 2212, Elsa Jay wrote:So the raid is implying scum have a roleblocker? Sounds neat.

It's still possible a town interfered with me, i find it unlikely with how many ppl TR me day 1 tho.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:33 am

My flavor is Y'shtloa

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:41 am

Could do, but first this raid needs to succeed with 0 scum in it, so i cant be roleblocked and scum cant strongman.
Was originally planning on Healing Romance.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:45 am

In post 2234, Elsa Jay wrote:
In post 2232, Sakura Hana wrote:Could do, but first this raid needs to succeed with 0 scum in it, so i cant be roleblocked and scum cant strongman.
Was originally planning on Healing Romance.
Does strong heal beat strong kill tho? Or strong block? I don't know that interaction.

That's a good question, i'll ask the mod just in case.
But from my memory a strongman only prevents roleblocks and protections and a strongwilled prevents roleblocks and redirections, so im gonna guess no for now.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:36 am

Guys.
I just got info that... yes indeed this raid reward would make my heal succeed regardless of strongman.
Something about 2 strongarmed roles interacting as if neither was strongarmed.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:37 am

The implication is also that a strong roleblock would still affect me.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:55 am

In post 2249, Mandelbrot wrote:
In post 2199, Sakura Hana wrote:
I'm counter claiming if that wasnt obvious.
Side note for future reference:

When a guilty is on the table, optimal play is to hold counterclaims for the following day.

The reason why? To stay alive and act for one more night. Even if you die, the player you want to counter is outed.

- House

Noted. I thought about it a bit, but i figured it was better to CC early since i'm just a doc and it's not like I can get an extra result like a cop or something and at worst i draw a night kill and the fake claim is eliminated.
I'll keep it in mind in the future tho, thanks.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:33 am

In post 2244, Sakura Hana wrote:Guys.
I just got info that... yes indeed this raid reward would make my heal succeed regardless of strongman.
Something about 2 strongarmed roles interacting as if neither was strongarmed.

In post 2245, Sakura Hana wrote:The implication is also that a strong roleblock would still affect me.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:41 am

I encourage people to do it actually.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:51 am

In post 1, GuyInFreezer wrote:You may ask for clarification or information about roles and mechanics on thread or via PM, case by case. However, all "hypothetical situation" questions must be asked via PM only.

Hmm unsure, since it'd be an hypothetical (the mod cant reveal my role).
I think i might be able to ask this tho:

@Mod: Do 2 strongarm roles interacting with each other act as if they arent strongarm?

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:40 am

@H1/H2: Why is TC town?

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:43 am

In post 2284, unwnd wrote:
Raid
Raid Queue - Ifrit

Success bonus for raid completion:
Gains strongwilled/strongarm for one night

Queue:

Dwlee99

Mandelbrot

RealCheeks

Bell

Elsa Jay

SirCakez

Sakura Hana

Romance

Backup

tictac

Tomorrow Corporation

Realm Danger Level: 0

Hmm If what you say about tictac is true, then this raid composition is not too bad. Probably only thing is EJ being there.
I definitely dont want TC anywhere near the raid.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:44 am

Not too bad in the sense that Cakez is being eliminated anyway so the next one to get in would be tictac.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:46 am

I'm actually on the camp that dwlee's push on AA9 doesnt look like a bus.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:53 am

Oh yeah, that reminds me, i did say that someone that SR Mirio was scum because of him being NK'd.
Cakez also fits that description, so I guess it wasnt entirely wrong.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:43 pm

Why are you giving scum places to hide.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:11 pm

In post 2410, RealCheeks wrote:Looking at the setup - if there were no such role that guaranteed success then town would have free access to a tool that outputs PoE pools of players, depending on the outcome. So surely it is a scum role designed to prevent/cloud the use of raids as PoE tools.

???

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:15 pm

In post 2416, Bell wrote:Can’t we just make this raid fail? It seems to disproportionately benefit scum. Though, I’m not clear on the difference if any between strongman and strong willed.

Since you havent read.
I'm a doctor, if this raid succeeds my heals can stop even strongman kills and i cant be roleblocked except by a strongman roleblock, and also cant be redirected except by a strongman redirector.
So it depends on whether there's scum or specifically a scum roleblocker or redirector in the raid that we should worry about.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:19 pm

Just that:

In post 2, GuyInFreezer wrote:If at least one member of the hostile factions are in the raid group, the said member will decide whether the raid succeeds or fail.

It's literally part of the scum things scum can do. They dont need a success role for it.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:21 pm

In post 2429, RealCheeks wrote:
In post 2420, Sakura Hana wrote:i cant be roleblocked except by a strongman roleblock, and also cant be redirected except by a strongman redirector.
Are these assumptions or something explicit in your PM/comms with mod?
~C

the later, also:

In post 2276, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 2274, Sakura Hana wrote:
@Mod: Do 2 strongarm roles interacting with each other act as if they arent strongarm?

Yes.

Also no VC until 2 hours because I’m still at work.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:23 pm

Think about it as if there's levels of strength to abilities and "Strongarm" is level 2 while non strongarm is Level 1, so a Level 2 strongarm can only be disrupted by other Level 2 abilities but ignores at Level 1 abilities.
That's how i see it anyway.
Except strongarm is just for roleblocks and protections and strongwilled is just for roleblocks and redirections.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:26 pm

In post 2436, Qrow and Raven wrote:It’s not wise to talk about it now but something seems off with Wheme.

-Qrow

Other than the fact that he used the 'L' word?

(sorry kinda wanted to bring that up in a joke)

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:30 pm

I'm just curious about the CoA for this:
One one hand having both me and TC heal Romance (so Romance is guaranteed survival unless TC is scum) is interesting.
Another option would be for me to Heal Romance and TC to heal me, this would make it likely i die but that's something that's probably gonna happen anyway since im outed, but if Romance dies in this instance then it means there was a scum that could interfere with my ability in the raid.

I'm still opting for the first option, but would like opinions on the second one.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:31 pm

Actually nevermind, the first option is better.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:33 pm

In post 2445, Bell wrote:
In post 2428, WhemeStar wrote:
In post 2416, Bell wrote:Can’t we just make this raid fail? It seems to disproportionately benefit scum. Though, I’m not clear on the difference if any between strongman and strong willed.

Wouldn’t all raids benefit town more than scum
...No?

I'm not sure tht 1 doc is worth the price of however many scum are on it, but I guess, if you think about it, if the scum team is active enough to all get on the raid then prolly, we're doomed anyway.

Well we know of one scum that is currently in the raid: Cakez, but after he dies the next one is tictac. Do you scumread tictac or anyone else on the raid atm?

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:34 pm

I'm actually curious if it's possible scum only had cakez on the raid since they couldnt be sure he'd die from ellimination today and have him reap the benefits of it or disrupt it.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:35 pm

In post 2455, Bell wrote:I'll be real with you,
I don't even know who Tictac is.

the bunny avatar person

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:37 pm

H1/H2 say he's mechanically town. While im reluctant to believe that, i'll take it for now coz i'd have a heart attack if i was skeptical of everything specially with how these raids are first come first serve unlike resistance.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:39 pm

In post 2458, Bell wrote:Doesn't seem likely and it would be difficult to determine that unless it failed which, I don't think it will.
Scum will still benefit from this somehow. Probably.

Scum cannot benefit from this raid as long as i'm in it unless the scum in the raid is a roleblocker or a redirector, because they cant strongman through my strong heal.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:51 pm

that would be good yes

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:53 pm

I think TC is just scum anyway but just on the off chance

@Tomorrow Corporation: You will heal Romance tonight along with me, if Romance dies it will be a scum claim.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:56 pm

In post 2476, Bell wrote:Did tommorrow corp claim even night 1 shot doc.

His implication is he's ungated and i know i am:

In post 2203, Tomorrow Corporation wrote:How about we save each other so scum can't touch us, Sakura?

Or we could randomly save Romance too so it's risky for them to target any of us.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:01 pm

There's still a chance there's scum in the raid and make it fail or roleblock me (if the roleblocker is in the raid) so i feel we should give romance a chance to say anything they may want to say before day ends.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:01 pm

In post 2484, Mandelbrot wrote:
In post 2474, Sakura Hana wrote:I think TC is just scum anyway but just on the off chance

@Tomorrow Corporation: You will heal Romance tonight along with me, if Romance dies it will be a scum claim.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Strongman

Strongman wont penetrate my Strong Heal, already confirmed in thread (Technically) by the mod.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:02 pm

Am i missing something here?

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:04 pm

In post 2490, Mandelbrot wrote:It will if they're in the raid.

The 2 modifiers cancel each other.

Do you think scum has a strongman with a raid that also gives strongman?
Well i'll ask GIF about this interaction in any case.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:06 pm

Ok just asked, if scum hypothetically has an innate strongman, the strongman raid wont make them stronger strongman, so yes i can still succesfully heal a strongman shot.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:10 pm

ohh dissoance, that's the word i was thinking back then.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:15 pm

In post 2502, Mandelbrot wrote:Feels like we're missing something somewhere, because a protective not being able to be overridden in any way in this game sounds a little too good to be true.

Like, the only way to offset the protective in that case is to... I dunno... get them to claim d2... which the game can't actually be designed around happening.

- House

Strong roleblock would still roleblock me, also it would only be for 1 night since this reward is only for 1 night.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:38 pm

In post 2523, Head One and Head Two wrote:As in my-role-can-confirm-multiple-townies once someone does something outside of the game.

And I'm waiting for that to happen.
TL;DR
My role implies both tictac and Tc are town but not 100%. If something happens to someone outside of the game then these players can be 100% confirmed town.
idt GIF anticipated this when making my role
-T3

If this is true then wtf is this game.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:39 pm

In post 230, GuyInFreezer wrote:
Game name
- Final Fantasy XIV - A Realm Reborn Mafia

Flavor
- FFXIV A Realm Reborn (2.0 contents only)

Number of players
- 21

Are hydras allowed (Yes/No)
- Yes as long as it isn't too crazy

Your modding experience
- Plenty

Current modding commitments
- 2 newbie games

Reviewers
- unwnd

Reviewers agreed to FINAL version? (Yes/No)
- Yes

Backup or co-mod
- unwnd

Backup or co-mod's experience
- Plenty

Backup or co-mod's commitments
- None

Is it possible your game has any of the following: cults, mid-game alignment changes, moderator lies that cannot be reasonably anticipated (for example, Godfather, Tailor, Miller, Ninja, and mechanics like that are generally fine. Telling someone they are a reflexive doctor when they're actually a PGO is not), secret win conditions, un-divulged non-randomness in player role/alignment generation, direct moderator influence during the game? (Yes/No)
- No

????

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:45 pm

I can take some guess at what H1/H2's role implication is.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:31 pm

In post 2571, Mandelbrot wrote:
In post 2569, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 2567, mastina wrote:DON'T WANNA YEET RIGHT NOW:
SirCakez, Sakura Hana
Lol
mastina needs a firmware update.

Give her time to reboot.

lol

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:05 pm

I would actually be happier if EJ left the raid.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:28 pm

In post 2608, Mystic Bears wrote:scum Roleblocker/strongman stop doctors. What does that have to do with the raid?

Because the reward for the raid is one night of being strongwilled and strongarm, so i assumed that scum didnt have an innate strongman.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:38 pm

In post 2616, Mystic Bears wrote:Then kill Tomorrow tomorrow.

That probably sounded more funny than you intended.
But thanks for the laugh anyway.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:42 pm

In post 2625, mastina wrote:
In post 2378, Sakura Hana wrote:Oh yeah, that reminds me, i did say that someone that SR Mirio was scum because of him being NK'd. Cakez also fits that description, so I guess it wasnt entirely wrong.
For the record, so does AA9.

Just sayin'.

Yeah i remember that as well, but AA9 is a compulsive OMGUSer so i originally didnt put much faith into that read to begin with.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:00 pm

In post 2643, mastina wrote:I'm back in the game. Holy shit I'm BACK in the game.

Glad to have you back

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:21 pm

Unfortunately all these mean nothing when we have uncooperative people like Elsa

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:23 pm

I just skimmed the list but isnt it just replacing Elsa with MB and re-arranging the order?

nvm TC is in there too.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:26 pm

In post 2400, GuyInFreezer wrote:
Raid
Raid Queue - Ifrit

Success bonus for raid completion:
Gains strongwilled/strongarm for one night

Queue:

Dwlee99

Mandelbrot

RealCheeks

Bell

Elsa Jay

SirCakez

Sakura Hana

Romance

Backup

tictac

Tomorrow Corporation

Toogeloo

Mystic Bears

Realm Danger Level: 0

So from here tictac, Elsa, Toog, Mandel (who i just saw leave), dwlee would need to exit, and Massy would need to join? I think?

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:28 pm

Well as it stands the raid will be with TC and EJ.
I'm not liking our chances here, but it is what it is.

Let's see if the others cooperate.

Sakura Hana · Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:29 pm

In post 2670, Mystic Bears wrote:
In post 2665, Sakura Hana wrote:
I just skimmed the list but isnt it just replacing Elsa with MB and re-arranging the order?

nvm TC is in there too.
And Mastina. I guess she did say she only has 1 shot. Oh well better to keep scum on their tip toes. I also just think that if Mastina is scum and Tomorrow is scum (worse case scenario here), if both are on there, we have to either get a successful raid or a successful doc on Romance because if both fail, that's a solid guilty right there and the scum team wouldn't do that right after cakez was guilted.

That's... an interesting plan. I'm not good at making plans but I'll follow any.

Sakura Hana · Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:33 am

Cakez is either lying or too flustered to make sense, im leaning on the former.

Sakura Hana · Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:36 am

Romance has a Hard guilty on Cakez.
Cakez said he's Ascetic so Romance is lying.

Cakez said that alternatively if Romance is Watcher then that would make more sense.
In this Universe we believe Cakez would've targeted Mirio and i was roleblocked, in which case a hypothetical Watcher Romance would've only seen Cakez visiting Mirio if scum had a Ninja.

But since Mirio's dead there's no much reason for Cakez to hide who he targeted.
So Cakez is implying he targeted someone other than Mirio, and since Romance has a hard guilty then Cakez is most likely lying about this.

Sakura Hana · Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:39 am

Of course the alternative is Romance lying, but in such a case, there's no reason for Cakez not to think that a Hard guilty means that Romance is 100% scum, yet he still thinks there's a chance she's town.

Sakura Hana · Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:44 am

I think it's obvious that I wont be healing Romance tonight if Cakez flips town, unless people think that this case is a possibility with a town Romance.

Sakura Hana · Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:45 am

I mean it's not like we're dealing with Raybells, Flavor Leaf or... Katsuki (I still remember magical girls)

Sakura Hana · Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:49 am

Unless you're a watcher, but then it's only a hard guilty if cakez visited Mirio, which it isnt the case. (would it even be a hard guilty then?)

Sakura Hana · Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:54 am

i mean redirector is different from deflector.

Sakura Hana · Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:01 am

In post 2759, Romance wrote:I targeted Cakez. A redirect would fail by virtue of his own claim which again... no reason for him to be misunderstood. He keeps trying to get me to out it because he wants my role and not to reason with me lol.

A redirector would just need to target you and your new target, they dont need to touch cakez

Sakura Hana · Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:07 am

I said redirector not bus driver.
There's 3 types of redirection role (well 5, but the other 2 are kinda bastard). Bus Driver, Redirector and Deflector.
Bus driver swaps 2 targets, Redirector forces a player to target their new target with any/all actions they use, Deflector makes all actions target one player be redirected to another player (kind of half a bus driver i guess)

Sakura Hana · Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:08 am

GIF used a town redirector in Magical Girls btw, so he's not foreign to the idea. I would highly doubt if there's any redirector in this game that it'd be scum tho, that's kind of unfun.

Sakura Hana · Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:11 am

Did your result PM imply the possibility of redirection?
as in did it say it was SirCakez or did it say "your target".

Not sure if you can answer this so confirm with the mod first.

Sakura Hana · Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:14 am

What im meaning to say is that usually mods will keep ambiguity with "your target" when redirection is a possibility, if they dont then they will tell you your new target
For example "Your target is guilty" means you could've been redirected but you dont know if you were as opposed to "Player is guilty".
In the later case if you get redirected you would receive the result with your new target unless the game is bastard (Moderator lies that cannot be reasonably anticipated).

Sakura Hana · Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:35 am

In post 2768, Romance wrote:If I was redirected I’ll take the L but his response doesn’t inspire me to believe that’s the case.

If you ask me, you probably werent.

Sakura Hana · Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:32 am

afaik he claimed vanilla cop not neapolitan.

Sakura Hana · Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:08 am

What part of vanilla cop isnt a neapolitan do people not get.

Sakura Hana · Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:09 am

Vanilla Cop cant identify the difference between a Vanilla townie and a goon. Neapolitan searches for specifically Vanilla Townies and gets a negative on PRs and all Mafia.

Sakura Hana · Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:10 am

I dont mind the info being outed, i just dont think it should be treated as clear, but i think it's likely >rand town anyway.

Sakura Hana · Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:11 am

granted it could be a scum vanilla cop anyway, to help scum find the town PRs.

Sakura Hana · Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:43 am

In post 2801, RealCheeks wrote:
In post 2799, Sakura Hana wrote:I dont mind the info being outed, i just dont think it should be treated as clear, but i think it's likely >rand town anyway.
This implies cakes is flipping town though?

Ah, you got a pont.

Sakura Hana · Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:43 am

*point

Sakura Hana · Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:44 am

Shouldnt we sort out the raid before eliminating Cakez.

Sakura Hana · Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:35 am

Idk why, but this whole issue with elsa, tictac, H1/H2 and TC is giving me a bad feeling.

Sakura Hana · Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:38 am

I've had this weird gut feeling ever sine the raid started shifting around since the MB post, mostly because people being uncooperative or being scum need to be in there this raid it seems.

Sakura Hana · Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:37 pm

VOTE: Join Raid
VOTE: TC

Sakura Hana · Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:38 pm

WTF GIF did you literally do janitor again?

Sakura Hana · Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:51 pm

In post 2899, Romance wrote:RBed.

VOTE: Join raid

Can we vote STD/Wheme/Elsa please? Ty. Don’t think Tomorrow votes their partner in a way that egregious and given their posting/joking it would be game throwing at this point.

1) Why wouldnt they hammer their partner to end the day before we can consolidate the raid?
2) Do you think town has 2 doctors? Because otherwise you should be voting either me or TC.

Sakura Hana · Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:58 pm

In post 2905, Romance wrote:
In post 2902, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 2899, Romance wrote:RBed.

VOTE: Join raid

Can we vote STD/Wheme/Elsa please? Ty. Don’t think Tomorrow votes their partner in a way that egregious and given their posting/joking it would be game throwing at this point.
1) Why wouldnt they hammer their partner to end the day before we can consolidate the raid?
2) Do you think town has 2 doctors? Because otherwise you should be voting either me or TC.

Sakura the reason I said you outed pre-emptively is because I think that
no one seriously claims their role like TC
and given their posting for... the entire game, they're just trolling/messing around.

So no, I don't think there's two doctors but neither do I think TC was trying to bait you out somehow.

If they are town and trolling then it means it's a townie playing for the scum team.
So no, im not unvoting.

Sakura Hana · Thu Sep 30, 2021 1:58 pm

I'd actually like you on this raid toog.

Sakura Hana · Thu Sep 30, 2021 1:58 pm

I mean, you already are, but talking lists, i think you're town and helpful.

Sakura Hana · Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:57 pm

Don't forget that i tried to heal mirio n1 but he still died.
I healed Romance last night, but Romance seemed to be RB'd and H1/H2 died from a janitored kill.

Clearly all of these are the actions of a single team and not two.

Sakura Hana · Thu Sep 30, 2021 3:03 pm

Here's one thing i remember about multiballs is that one team cannot be sure of what the other team is going to do.
The fact that the night actions we know so far line up with the night kills alongside the fact that there's 1 death per night seems to imply they are coming from the same team.

Also adding a janitor to a multiball would be the ultimate troll move from a game design standpoint since it also hides the dead player's alignment.
There was a lot of BS coming out of H1/H2 that indicated that apparently TC and tictac were mech town.
Then they proceed to get janitor so the we cant ever verify whether what they were saying is BS or not?

I mean it's not as bad as katsuki claiming masons with scum and then getting janitored, but why else would they be janitored in the first place.

Sakura Hana · Thu Sep 30, 2021 3:08 pm

In post 2983, Elsa Jay wrote:Strongman is likely as well unless the roleblocker also blocked Sakura n1. That's a stacked scum team.

I kind of disagree that strongman exists simply by the fact that there was a raid giving uninterruptible, and also today's raid... like, what's the point of today's raid if scum can simply strongman anyway?

Sakura Hana · Thu Sep 30, 2021 3:15 pm

In post 2986, Elsa Jay wrote:So you think scum Roleblocked you night one then?

Could've been town too, i wasnt really unversally townread at N1, but it is also possible they RB'd me without knowing whether i was a PR or not and just killed Mirio.

Sakura Hana · Thu Sep 30, 2021 3:20 pm

Let me put it this way.
I dont think there was any way scum could've predicted that I was exactly a doctor that would exactly protect Mirio so anything that happened that night could've been a coincidence.

There is a slim chance that scum thought (even tho it wasnt my intention) that the way i was defending Mirio D1 was to set him up as a NK so i could heal correctly. But i think the chance of this is very slim.

Sakura Hana · Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:58 pm

In post 2992, RealCheeks wrote:If there's only one team then Sakura proposes that scum killed one of their own and removed PM for wifom? I think I got lost somewhere...
~C

Nah, that's not what i'm saying.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:41 am

In post 2899, Romance wrote:
RBed.

VOTE: Join raid

Can we vote STD/Wheme/Elsa please? Ty. Don’t think Tomorrow votes their partner in a way that egregious and given their posting/joking it would be game throwing at this point.

@Titus:

Bold mine.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:48 am

In post 2203, Tomorrow Corporation wrote:How about we save each other so scum can't touch us, Sakura?

Or we could randomly save Romance too so it's risky for them to target any of us.

Again, from this inference, TC's role is a "doc" and not a JK.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:57 am

My wild guess, is that scum figured they could just roleblock Romance since i said I was gonna be on her (plus i was also asked too) so that way both romance and me would be unable to do anything since romance would live and romance wouldnt get a result.

Instead the janitor killed the weird guy with the apparent 2 clears.

Also how is it that you have a mech clear TC?
Why does H1/H2 have a mech clear on you and tictac that they later retracted when alisae requested a ban?

ALL THESE THINGS DONT MAKE SENSE!
THAT'S WHAT.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:58 am

In post 2523, Head One and Head Two wrote:As in my-role-can-confirm-multiple-townies once someone does something outside of the game.

And I'm waiting for that to happen.
TL;DR
My role implies both tictac and Tc are town but not 100%. If something happens to someone outside of the game then these players can be 100% confirmed town.
idt GIF anticipated this when making my role
-T3

In post 2787, Head One and Head Two wrote:what the....
-T3

In post 2788, Head One and Head Two wrote:My role interacts with the fact that Alisae is in the game under an alt
which is kinda ridiculous
but now Alisae is requesting a self ban
so wtf is going on
-T3

Like seriously what kinda information do you think you can extract that would "clear tictac and TC" with this.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:01 am

UNVOTE: Tomorrow Corp
for now

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:03 am

As an aside, wtf GIF, did you suddenly fall in love with janitor roles after what happened in Magical Girls Upick?

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:05 am

Man remember that one game where town fake claimed masons with scum and then proceeded to get janitored?
Imagine if someone claims mech clear with 2 players and then gets Janitored.
Imagine if said mech clear is reliant on outside of game information.

Also didnt someone say that H1/H2 is good at making up BS that sounds believable?

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:08 am

In post 3294, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 3290, Sakura Hana wrote:Man remember that one game where town fake claimed masons with scum and then proceeded to get janitored?
Imagine if someone claims mech clear with 2 players and then gets Janitored.
Imagine if said mech clear is reliant on outside of game information.

Also didnt someone say that H1/H2 is good at making up BS that sounds believable?
Should I out my theory on H1H2?

I dont see how that can hurt at this point, they are dead.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:10 am

In post 3299, Dwlee99 wrote:Google "Alisae FFXIV"

It keeps correcting me to Alisaie

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:13 am

In post 3306, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 3302, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 3299, Dwlee99 wrote:Google "Alisae FFXIV"
It keeps correcting me to Alisaie
Yes but my theory is that t3 misread it and thought it was Alisae the player

T3 was probably informed a certain flavor was town but thought it was a player

How would that translate to "both tictac and TC are mech cleared"

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:18 am

So basically you're saying he misread something in his role PM and that's why he mech cleared TC and tictac.
I dont understand tho neither of them sounds like Alisae, much less spam posters.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:18 am

So why is TC town again?

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:22 am

I mean, now that we know TC's claim was BS, also that TC wanted to be on the first raid despite being a VT and got mad for not being in there. And literally have a total of 4 reads other than themselves.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:25 am

VOTE: Elsa
Ok i dont want TC today anymore.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:26 am

I mean, TC's flavor isnt even Alisaie.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:30 am

In post 3349, Qrow and Raven wrote:
In post 3338, Tomorrow Corporation wrote:
In post 3334, Elsa Jay wrote:Well excuse us for not knowing which alt you are TC.
Wow, you're excused. This is my main.
So Alisae is probably not in this game.

~R

what made u think TC was Alisae

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:45 am

Actually
VOTE: STD

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:49 am

I am less interested in Elsa Jay today, and more interested in finding potential scum already in the raid.
The last thing we want is another fail, specially on a raid effect that sounds so town sided.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:55 am

In post 2900, GuyInFreezer wrote:
Raid
Raid Queue - Titan

Success bonus for raid completion:
Gains bulletproof for one night

Queue:

Sakura Hana

Save The Dragons

Dwlee99

Romance

Backup

Realm Danger Level: 1

Basically this
+RealCheeks, Mandelbrot, Toog, Titus
+MB, mastina, Q+R, Tictac

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:55 am

So... mastina isnt even in the raid yet. She's like the 2nd backup.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:58 am

Yeah i forgot cheeks was on the raid too.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:01 am

UNVOTE:
Consider my vote spiritually on cheeks for the time being.
Dont wanna bring it closer to elim just in case while we wait for MB to out.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:08 am

In post 147, mastina wrote:First matter of business: I decided to not do the fullclaim of the ability here. I figured that the ability might not be unique to me, and while me fullclaiming it would conftown me to any others with the ability, that's redundant--I'm fairly confident in my ability to show myself to be town without relying on a role to do so, meaning it's more valuable for me to hold off on the info to potentially conftown someone else with the power.

I will say that's not my only power, but obviously I see no reason to fullclaim right out of the gate D1.

mastina did mention on D1 that she has another power(s).

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:56 am

In post 3419, Mandelbrot wrote:
In post 3417, Save The Dragons wrote:if you're town you want me on the raid
Y'know what? There are other options.

@Sakura: If I leave the raid, will you target me tonight since Romance is protected via mastina's role? (Obviously heal Romance if the raid fails, ofc)

I would obviously heal someone not on the raid. And scum can still roleblock me (although i guess if they roleblock me they dont roleblock romance so i guess it's a fair trade)

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:57 am

But before you do that, do you think everyone on the current raid is town? Coz if not it's as simple as eliminating potential scum from it to make space for mastina.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:58 am

In post 3417, Save The Dragons wrote:if you're town you want me on the raid

Protection unnecessary

I lol'd

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:59 am

I'm still uneasy about Mystic Bears, but if you think they're town then yeah i'll heal you tonight if you out.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:00 am

Same about STD

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:10 pm

In post 2891, GuyInFreezer wrote:Dwlee99
RealCheeks
Bell
Elsa Jay
Sakura Hana
Romance
tictac
Tomorrow Corporation

Now with the raid sorted out, this raid failed, so there's at least 1 scum in here, i know it's not me, and it's probably not Romance. That leaves us with:

Dwlee99
RealCheeks
Bell
Elsa Jay
tictac
Tomorrow Corporation

Let's suppose Mandelbrot is right and Elsa Jay is town, let's suppose Romance is right and TC is town, let's suppose TC is right and tictac's town. And let's suppose people's meta read on Bell is right, That leaves us with:

Dwlee99
RealCheeks

What do you guys think, am i removing ppl that i shouldn't? i mean step 3 is just a bunch of suppositions. But I personally townread Bell so like... this doesnt feel too hard, worst case scenario is a 50/50, best case scenario? both scum, and i'm inclined to believe dwlee0s probably town so I guess my vote would be going to RealCheeks, I just want first to sanity check on Step 3.

Additionally it would be nice if everyone did this exercise because it's a fact that the 2nd raid failed.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:42 pm

In post 3437, Dwlee99 wrote:Why assume mandelbrot right on Elsa and not on me?

I'll be back tomorrow bye

Because I forgot he TR you

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:47 pm

In post 3452, RealCheeks wrote:It might be wise to do poe excersize with a back up because we're town. Where do you go next when that's confirmed?
Sakura do you then go dwlee?
~C

Theoretically, I should.
Realistically, I'd say something went wrong on the people I left out.
P-Edit:

In post 3456, RealCheeks wrote:I would go Bell > TC > Elsa. I agree dwlee probably town even with resistance to moving off TC. The whole TC push and drop should be looked into.
~C

Funny I was about to ask that but went into your ISO first to see if i didnt miss it. Why Bell?

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:51 pm

I doubt the scum roleblocker was in the raid.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:52 pm

Otherwise why fail the raid? a strong roleblocker can interfere with any of the strong roles in the raid anyway.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:53 pm

I do agree that finding the roleblocker would be nice tho.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:58 pm

In post 3470, Titus wrote:@mastina scumLLD janitored to hide the fact they were not a mason with town. So all be janitored tells us is scum decided that result not be known.

THIS, SO MUCH THIS.

Also screw you Katsuki for fake claiming Masons with scum

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:00 pm

mastina, i dont think people are saying TC is a ninja roleblocker or a ninja janitor, but just... a ninja, their NK wouldnt be seen anyway.
Regardless, I dont think the scum roleblocker was in the raid, the strong roleblock would literally bypass all of the strongarm roles from the raid.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:02 pm

Regardless we are not eliminating TC today, so can we please talk about something else?

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:05 pm

In post 3478, Titus wrote:
In post 3475, Sakura Hana wrote:Regardless we are not eliminating TC today, so can we please talk about something else?
Thoughts on Bell today? I like him a lot less.

I'd say he's fallen off, but D2 went by pretty quick

Thanks to Mr TOMORROW CORPORATION btw

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:16 pm

I dont understand where Realcheeks got this idea that H1H2 was scum janitored by scum.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:18 pm

mastina, you're gonna auto success this raid right?

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:26 pm

I'm gonna assume that mastina's a coroner or something similar.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:31 pm

Btw, for those saying that "Hostile Factions" mean multiball, just look at scum's win condition

In post 2891, GuyInFreezer wrote:Win Condition:

All Eorzean factions are eliminated
or nothing can be done to prevent reaching the condition.

So are there multiple town factions too?

Was curiously exploring the dead scum's flipped role PM and see if there was anything in there that mentioned how many scum we have, while i didnt find that, i found this.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:33 pm

Sigh

Whatever I dont feel like arguing with mastina when mastina is just yelling about romance and elsa jay and ignoring my questions.
Plus i think RealCheeks giving out a final reads list was probably a bit +Town points.

VOTE: Elsa Jay

Sorry House.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:41 pm

You know... i completely forgot AA9 was in this game.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 2:49 pm

In post 3540, mastina wrote:Most scum janitor roles require that the janitor be the one performing the kill. We know TC did not visit anyone last night.

Huh, interesting, i was on the impression that Janitor worked just to clean up a dead body if the body died during the night, regardless of if they killed it or not. Something like "If your target dies during the night their alignment and role will not be revealed" or something along those lines, but when i went to look in the wiki it's not even a variant and the janitor themselves are the ones that make the kill.

I dont remember where I saw a janitor like the one I described but im sure i saw it somewhere.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 2:55 pm

Nah i thought just Janitor and the killer had to visit the target, I went to look back to GIF's magical girls and turns out, he does indeed make the Janitor also make the kill:

Can only be used once per game successfully. Your nightkill will resolve on the top of the action resolution. If your nightkill is successfully made, the target will only flip their player name and alignment.

It was a pretty busted role, so i think saying GIF would be incapable of making a ninja+janitor wouldnt be true, but whether it's what happened on exactly that night and after TC's play, that's probably a bit much

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 2:57 pm

In post 3556, mastina wrote:Meaning that TC could not be the janitor, and TC could not be the roleblocker, regardless.

But they could be just a ninja.
What part of that you didnt understand.

Anyway point is moot, GIF's other janitor also did it as part of their nightkill action so i doubt he'd change it up here.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:16 pm

This is a 21 player game tho

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:22 pm

Apparently Ninja ceased to be something that exists.
When i bring up Ninja

"BUT TC CANT BE JANITOR AND NINJA, BUT OK SOMEONE ELSE MADE THE KILL AND TC JANITORED IT BUT TC WAS SEEN GOING ANYWHERE"

Like why is it so hard to think of the opposite scenario?

Also why cant TC be a Ninja janitor that needs to kill to Janitor?

GIF can make busted scum roles like a scum that negates negative effects on them and night kills and that can janitor a player they kill.
Or a scum that can neighborize someone and then make that someone bodyguard them from all effects.

These were actual scum roles in magical girls btw

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:23 pm

This is basically me saying that TC going nowhere doesnt confirm him as anything other than VT or Scum

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:25 pm

I mean if TC is a ninja, why would anyone other than him make a nightkill.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:26 pm

I feel like a lost a few brain cells explaining that Ninja is a role that exists in mafia.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:29 pm

In post 3596, Romance wrote:
In post 3593, Sakura Hana wrote:I mean if TC is a ninja, why would anyone other than him make a nightkill.
...again, I think if you have to jump to "this person is EXACTLY a ninja" to justify the tracker thing, I'd err away from that.

Can you just... like, give me this one person as town?

IDK man i've lost a game years ago because i was an alignment cop that investigated EXACTLY the godfather.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:30 pm

In post 3605, Bell wrote:Isn't God father bastard?

It wasnt back then.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:32 pm

I've seen enough shit busted roles coming from GIF to not be paranoid of everything on a GIF game k?

The godfather role thing wasnt on a GIF game, but we're talking about the mod that made double scum neighbors.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:38 pm

In post 3617, Bell wrote:I dunno why House thinks they're town.

Me neither

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:40 pm

Why T3 over me? That's easy, because i was healing Romance, I was 100% healing Romance, and they had no reason to believe I would be healing anywhere else, so they roleblock romance instead and make her role do nothing while im also tied to romance so they can freely kill elsewhere.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:48 pm

In post 3631, Mystic Bears wrote:But you're a claimed doc. Why not kill that

My role isnt necessary a threat to scum rn, they probably wanted to janitor the guy screaming

TICTAC AND TC ARE MECH TOWN CLEARS

, over someone that was guaranteed only healing Romance.
I'm pretty sure I'm dead at some point tho, Universally town read + doc after all, specially if we elim the roleblocker im pretty much dead afterwards.

Sakura Hana · Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:44 am

Oh, i'm not saying that we shouldnt let mastina check H1/H2, but i think treating it to almost conf town levels because it was tracked nowhere is a bit too much, unless I misunderstood what people were insinuating.

Sakura Hana · Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:02 pm

for the record i dont think dwlee ever crumbed anything.

Sakura Hana · Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:12 pm

Kind of surprised that everyone was saying that Bell had this creature style meta that led everyone to townread him D1 and now he's suddenly into a bunch of people's PoE.

Sakura Hana · Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:18 pm

In post 3834, Mandelbrot wrote:
In post 3833, Sakura Hana wrote:Kind of surprised that everyone was saying that Bell had this creature style meta that led everyone to townread him D1 and now he's suddenly into a bunch of people's PoE.
Last I knew, Creature was a total lurksack as scum because he hated not rolling town.

That was ages ago.

Yes.

Sakura Hana · Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:20 pm

I do not know Bell's meta at all, but that seemed to be the implication people mentioned back in Day 1.
Also no changing one's meta isn't as easy as it sounds for some people.

I wasn't thinking of using meta at all when playing this game tho, but I cant ignore that if i want to win.

Sakura Hana · Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:35 pm

In post 3837, Mandelbrot wrote:
In post 3836, Sakura Hana wrote:I do not know Bell's meta at all, but that seemed to be the implication people mentioned back in Day 1.
Also no changing one's meta isn't as easy as it sounds for some people.

I wasn't thinking of using meta at all when playing this game tho, but I cant ignore that if i want to win.
Those who are self-aware of their meta can change it more easily.

- House

It's not that easy for some people even if they are self-aware.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:35 am

In post 3861, Mandelbrot wrote:VOTE: tictac

I can do this.

- House

I thought people wanted mastina to unjanitor H12 first to see if they really have a clear on tictac and TC?

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:36 am

Like you guys were yelling about "People value being right over winning" before, what happened now?

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:03 am

From what I understand mastina's role would cause H12 to flip regardless of whether she lives or not, she's not going to give us the result, the mod will.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:21 am

She said she doesnt need to be alive for the slot's info to be known, which means she wont be the one telling us the results, but the mod will.
I'm about done with your conspirancy theories to try to turn us onto each other.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:34 pm

This game is kinda boring rn

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:38 pm

In post 2891, GuyInFreezer wrote:Dwlee99
RealCheeks
Bell
Elsa Jay
Sakura Hana
Romance
tictac
Tomorrow Corporation

Like from this list i dont really see who could be, i keep whacking my brain, ppl say TC is town, tictac's flavor claim seems to imply they are town? (hope toog helps with that), Bell's supposed to be town by meta, Romance is clearly town. I thought RealCheeks wanting to give a finals reads list was towny, could go dwlee i guess if people are that convinced EJ who keeps trying to break townreads is town.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:40 pm

Like we know for a fact there's scum in that list, but everywhere is met with resistance and now people want to wagon outside.
To be fair if we want to hit the roleblocker, looking outside is the best thing to do.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:58 pm

Hmm I ISO'd dwlee and now im thinking he's town.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:15 pm

In post 3976, Mystic Bears wrote:2) I will vote anyone that isn't Elsa or a hard townread of mine. This pool is huge. Whemestar, Realcheeky, Toogeloo, Bell, etc, etc. I will compromise on anything. Literally at this point I'm just 10000% right on Elsa. Town doesn't get run up this easily with no resistance. Like the only damn resistance is me and house. And god knows if House is even town anymore.

>No resistance.
>Trying to get Elsa eliminated is like pulling teeth.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:13 pm

In post 3990, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 3973, Sakura Hana wrote:Hmm I ISO'd dwlee and now im thinking [they're] town.
How did it feel reading all of my nonsense?

I remembered your early spats in D1, and all that, and im like "Pretty sure if dwlee were scum they wouldn't be putting themselves in the spotlight like this".

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:22 pm

And yet... toog left the raid to let mastina in, in your place.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:23 pm

In post 3771, Toogeloo wrote:VOTE: Bell

I don't Stan the Elsa lim.

What did you mean here, did you mean "understand"?
What changed?

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:43 pm

I'm not sure what you think is toog's scum motive behind helping us find fake claims thanks to flavor.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:55 pm

In post 2820, SirCakez wrote:the flavor matching is so fucking dumb Toog stop that shit

Do you think this is SvS?

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:09 pm

In post 4028, RealCheeks wrote:Was that before or after the guilty?
~C

After, but this was after toog disproved SirCakez claim when we were all speculating redirection of some sort.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:09 pm

In post 2803, Toogeloo wrote:
In post 2783, RealCheeks wrote:I'll level cakes your responses aren't great. But I'd like to hear your clear. In the event Romance is scum it's 1 for 1 plus a confirmed clear with higher priority nk targets. Which is much more valuable to the town than a VT that doesn't get cleared and the hope is they eat a nk. Which is??? In the first place
-R
No. We aren't doing this.

Gegeruju is NOT an Ascetic Vanilla Cop. He's barely important in the story.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:19 pm

It read to me as scum being annoyed with a townie that basically is clearing my role based off flavor and caught his fake claim based off flavor. If scum has terrible safe claims or is using them wrong because of not asking the mod / being caught by a PR i'd assume they'd be pretty mad that someone's using flavor to catch them.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:20 pm

I doubt GIF is the type of mod to give terrible safe claims, so i think it's probably the later.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:21 pm

Based off that im pretty positive toog is town because i dont see the scum motivation behind what he's doing.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:14 pm

In post 4039, Elsa Jay wrote:I know Mastina is town. It's literally just stupid she got it with no effort and just claimed and doesn't help town otherwise really.

This doesnt vibe with you keeping trying to make people scumread mastina tho:

In post 3924, Elsa Jay wrote:I'm spouting things so we don't blindly elim townies. If I was scum I'd shut up and just go with town on a possible tictac elim. I'm not doing that.

Mastina never claimed a role. She's using that as leverage to basically be an excuse why scum won't kill her. She won't claim a flavor because none would get past Toog. She let YOU look up the role she's implying.

She is defending someone who claimed your role Sakura. She isn't being honest at all. She spammed the thread to make it so the wagon would shift on me. She randomly adds to her role at the most convenient time when she could've brought up there being a janitor day 1.

She. Isn't. Town.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:30 pm

Seems like it.

Sakura Hana · Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:07 am

VOTE: Join Raid

So, the raid reward was kinda useless huh

Sakura Hana · Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:11 am

In post 4090, Dwlee99 wrote:Also where is h1h2's role?

That's what im curious about too.

Sakura Hana · Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:16 am

The way the raid reward was worded means you get a full bulletproof for 1 night, so the only option here is strongman.
It was obvious i wouldnt be healing people that were bulletproof, but it's not like it mattered anyway.

Sakura Hana · Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:28 am

In post 4097, Tomorrow Corporation wrote:VOTE: Toogeloo

Hang on, isn't this obvscum?

Nope

Sakura Hana · Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:39 am

In post 4084, tictac wrote:Elsa is not a fall-guy-scum. Elsa is a carry-scum. Him being caught in poe was very bad for the scumteam, but he could not out because then there's nooo scumz in the raid and romance gets a strongwilled result.
Enter bears-plan, and suddenly theres a way to get someone besides Elsa to be the fall-guy. maybe someone better positioned so they get some miseets out of it too. So that's why Raven was so hyped to get raiding.
they actually did intend to use the plan to switch places w elsa, and that is why that is the framing they keep using.
only things got cut short by AA and TC, soo i'm thinking those slots are associative probtown.

You know, yeah, as mystic bears plan panned out Elsa stopped being so reluctant to leaving.

Sakura Hana · Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:40 am

In post 4101, Romance wrote:[Romance, Sakura Hana, Tomorrow Corporation, Bell]
[Mandlebrot, mastina, tictac]
[Mystic Bears, Qrow and Raven, Dwlee99]
[RealCheeks, Toogeloo, Save The Dragons]
[WhemeStar, ArcAngel9]

This feels good? I think.

In post 4027, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 2820, SirCakez wrote:the flavor matching is so fucking dumb Toog stop that shit
Do you think this is SvS?

Sakura Hana · Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:43 am

Oh god

Sakura Hana · Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:44 am

Are you a kokichi alt?

Sakura Hana · Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:45 am

I thought you using that avi meant you were a kokichi alt.

Sakura Hana · Wed Oct 06, 2021 3:46 am

If you arent confident on mastina why is she on a Town Block, i'd assume you townread her but not be enough to be town blocked.

Sakura Hana · Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:01 am

In post 4123, Romance wrote:ArcAngel/Wheme/?

I would hope not.
That would make this game boring.

Sakura Hana · Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:03 am

Dwlee99
RealCheeks
Bell
Sakura Hana
Romance
tictac
Tomorrow Corporation

in tictac's theory i think i can safely write all of these as town.

Sakura Hana · Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:07 am

Hmm, MB probably scum from that idk.

Also:

In post 3501, Mandelbrot wrote:One of my current townreads will plummet if Elsa flips red, though.

- House

I'm curious about this, since Elsa did indeed flip red.

Sakura Hana · Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:07 am

VOTE: Mistyc Bears
Could also vote AA9 i guess.

Sakura Hana · Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:10 am

In post 4084, tictac wrote:Here's a theory about what happened day2:
Elsa is not a fall-guy-scum. Elsa is a carry-scum. Him being caught in poe was very bad for the scumteam, but he could not out because then there's nooo scumz in the raid and romance gets a strongwilled result.
Enter bears-plan, and suddenly theres a way to get someone besides Elsa to be the fall-guy. maybe someone better positioned so they get some miseets out of it too. So that's why Raven was so hyped to get raiding.
they actually did intend to use the plan to switch places w elsa, and that is why that is the framing they keep using.
only things got cut short by AA and TC, soo i'm thinking those slots are associative probtown.

Would be interested in what do you think of the theory that scum was a bit slow to join day 2 raid, but at the time they didnt know who the guilty was in, so since it was on cakez, EJ would not be able to leave, and Mystic Bears proposed raid adjustment was to help EJ get out of the raid while also failing it.

Sakura Hana · Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:16 am

Hmmmm....

Sakura Hana · Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:18 am

Yeah i guess in this scenario Q+R would be scum with Elsa but not MB, otherwise Elsa would have exited.

In post 2890, GuyInFreezer wrote:Queue:
Dwlee99
RealCheeks
Bell
Elsa Jay
SirCakez
Sakura Hana
Romance
tictac

Backup
Tomorrow Corporation
Toogeloo
Mystic Bears
Qrow and Raven

Sakura Hana · Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:18 am

VOTE: Q+R

Sakura Hana · Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:20 am

Also Toog was right after in line if Elsa exited, i guess Elsa was waiting for a safe escape.

Sakura Hana · Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:21 am

Dwlee99
RealCheeks
Bell
Sakura Hana
Romance
tictac
Tomorrow Corporation
mastina
Toog

All town (probably?)

Sakura Hana · Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:26 am

In post 4137, Romance wrote:Meh. Can we just vote Arc today? I don't wanna get fancy.

I would but i want mastina to check in and potentially join the raid so she can regain her auto success.
There's no rush.

Sakura Hana · Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:31 am

In post 4039, Elsa Jay wrote:I know Mastina is town. It's literally just stupid she got it with no effort and just claimed and doesn't help town otherwise really. Then she hounds me still on the off chance scum cleaned someone who supposedly has 2 clears by day 2. TC does jackshit and gets to live. I try and get shot down for trying to make the game actually focus on other things. It's shit.

In post 4041, Elsa Jay wrote:She didn't even bother to interact with me day 1 and hasn't done anything I liked. She just put me at the bottom of her Readlist and went about her day. She basically threatens me out of the raid day 2. She turns alot of people on me to defend a slot that outted a doctor and has done nothing this game.

Also if anyone has any doubts about mastina, i doubt this is SvS.

Sakura Hana · Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:42 am

In post 4146, Qrow and Raven wrote:
In post 4134, Sakura Hana wrote:VOTE: Q+R

In post 4135, Sakura Hana wrote:Also Toog was right after in line if Elsa exited, i guess Elsa was waiting for a safe escape.
Why are you voting us and what makes you think Elsa wanted to escape?

He wasn’t even posting at the time. I think he probably knew he was not long for this game regardless of what he did.

~R

I'm believing tictac's theory re: day 2

Sakura Hana · Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:30 am

In post 4150, Qrow and Raven wrote:Are you Oka or Fire?

Didnt they say they were a kokichi alt.

Sakura Hana · Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:29 am

In post 4166, RealCheeks wrote:
In post 4157, Qrow and Raven wrote:Sorry, don’t mean to actually call anyone “dumb” or be toxic but this always happens to me when I wrongly defend scum and I’m really fucking sick of it.

~R
This happens to everyone that defends scum, and for good reason.

-R

If you're looking for ppl that defend scum:

In post 3976, Mystic Bears wrote:Literally at this point I'm just 10000% right on Elsa. Town doesn't get run up this easily with no resistance. Like the only damn resistance is me and house. And god knows if House is even town anymore.

Sakura Hana · Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:40 am

I mean, tictac's town for other reasons anyway.