Open 897 - Cop 17er [DAY 6]

[usesPython]

wut?

Why would anyone be voting a townread on day 1? I get compromising on a null read. But if he thinks you're t v t, gob should be trying to make peace.

What. Day 1 is one of the only days you can get away with voting a townread. Anyway you are basically right. It is bad practice.

Do you normally want to get away with voting townreads as town?

Well first off I think my way of playing is flawed. Its not optimal. But i have an easier time reading after a flip. Statistically it doesnt really matter which alignment dies day 1(generally)
Even in cop setups

But its not optimal cause you want to always be gunning for scum basically. But i am too lazy to do that. Plus its hard

If hunting scum is hard why not just shrug exe a null slot instead of sheeping people to vote for a townread?

[usesPython]

Jesus this is frustrating. Not a single case on me. Objections to voting people that should be pressured. Wtf.

slot has not impressed me
kyouko's play/reads felt convenient
I think the fact I didn't vibe with kyouko when I tried to directly engage is scum-indicative
Titus play is also not gelling with me, Titus is like the first person I ever learned to read via vibe check
I think the wagon formation things she's pointing out actually make her look worse potentially
she's voting my n0

[usesPython]

I think we're dividing into factions based on a skim of the VCs.

I think we're dividing into factions based on a skim of the VCs.

huh? what u mean?

The wagons opposing me tend to have the same players.

The wagons before me largely are divided on the same lines.

What does this mean for reads?

[usesPython]

VOTE: Ari

[usesPython]

UNVOTE: Titus

I think I might be sick and I want to have a clear head when I decide where to put my vote.

I will second Python's interest in hearing Titus's reads.

Pedit: why tomorrow

Pedit 2: VOTE: Ari

Because Titus today

Why Titus today

[usesPython]

UNVOTE: Titus

I think I might be sick and I want to have a clear head when I decide where to put my vote.

I will second Python's interest in hearing Titus's reads.

Pedit: why tomorrow

Pedit 2: VOTE: Ari

Because Titus today

Why Titus today

Why not

Cause going "No Titus first" if you don't have a read on either seems weird so we were wondering if you had anything there

[usesPython]

I already said I scumread Titus and why. Unfortunately you're still trying to push the agenda I'm not doing anything cause you're probably scum

Reading long ISOs on phone do be hard

[usesPython]

I already said I scumread Titus and why. Unfortunately you're still trying to push the agenda I'm not doing anything cause you're probably scum

Is there more to it than just 1k+ posts old OMGUS?

[usesPython]

if python is mafia then they are trying to vote split off titus so you are just playing into their hands

It's possible python is scum and Titus is town. Which is what I'm starting to think. Python tries to look innocent by not voting Titus

You literally just came from a game with us where we were on every mislim as scum

[usesPython]

Like playerlist alone we're top 3 to get copped, why would we be deepwolfing instead of just pushing lims like you already know we can do

[usesPython]

I don't think you're deep wolfing

Then what would be the point of us moving votes off of titus as scum?

[usesPython]

Like playerlist alone we're top 3 to get copped, why would we be deepwolfing instead of just pushing lims like you already know we can do

Haha. That would be me. Many people fear my scumgame. So why would you being copped lead you to not voting me?

If we're on the "to cop" list then there's no reason for us not to play for maximizing lims, so in maf!Python/town!Titus we just shut up and sheep people on you

[usesPython]

Like playerlist alone we're top 3 to get copped, why would we be deepwolfing instead of just pushing lims like you already know we can do

Haha. That would be me. Many people fear my scumgame. So why would you being copped lead you to not voting me?

If we're on the "to cop" list then there's no reason for us not to play for maximizing lims, so in maf!Python/town!Titus we just shut up and sheep people on you

No. You'd play this way to look good and avoid a cop while my wagon turns on itself.

VOTE: Python

Do you have opinions on other people on the wagons you looked at

[usesPython]

I'm actually leading Hu Tao town and scum were equally divided on our wagons.

Wdym

What's not clear?

Anyone specific you're calling scum or is it just a general gamestate read

[usesPython]

Like playerlist alone we're top 3 to get copped, why would we be deepwolfing instead of just pushing lims like you already know we can do

Haha. That would be me. Many people fear my scumgame. So why would you being copped lead you to not voting me?

If we're on the "to cop" list then there's no reason for us not to play for maximizing lims, so in maf!Python/town!Titus we just shut up and sheep people on you

No. You'd play this way to look good and avoid a cop while my wagon turns on itself.

VOTE: Python

btw quick question, have you been tracking who's dropped cop cover/posted an obvious read as their n0? Cause if you haven't you should and see if you still have this read after

[usesPython]

Why are we voting python? I've just iso-ed them and like....I disagree with like 80% of their reads but they look solvey and engaged and would scum really have so many bad takes.

If the leading wagons have been ht, Titus and python then I think they've all been on town.

Gamma's town. De is still town.

Thoughts on wagoning ari/theta?

[usesPython]

guh

i still have titus sorted into catching up with the gamestate after replacing
which is usually a way to get good immunity from me voting

but it has been very extended now and titus has been sort of present

the fact we have five days right now would normally make me continue with my stance of not considering voting titus but
this gamestate is
not good at all
we need a flip

i have someone i would prefer of course but i fail to see that happening
so uh
intent to hammer in the morning if the fact fire is pushing people to hammer without realizing it is does not give anyone pause

p-edit
uhhh was my count wrong or

We are not ending the day while gob slot is still missing a n0

[usesPython]

Like bare minimum wait for gob slot replacement and tell them to rand a n0 before we hammer

[usesPython]

I will say, this does seem like a button upped serious Yess though, that is scum Yess imo

Funny because I was scumreading him for not being serious enough, but I kinda understand what you mean also.

Bring that up with DE because I was SRing yess and then he talked me down iirc

Nope, I was SRing yess all game and still am

so am i scum because im not serious enough or am i scum because im button'ed up serious?

From memory your scumgame tends to try to mimic the appearance of sillyness but there tends to be cracks in the mask

[usesPython]

I will say, this does seem like a button upped serious Yess though, that is scum Yess imo

Funny because I was scumreading him for not being serious enough, but I kinda understand what you mean also.

Bring that up with DE because I was SRing yess and then he talked me down iirc

Nope, I was SRing yess all game and still am

so am i scum because im not serious enough or am i scum because im button'ed up serious?

From memory your scumgame tends to try to mimic the appearance of sillyness but there tends to be cracks in the mask

hardstuck in Ohio with dat mindset

Can we vig yes man for using gen alpha memes?

[usesPython]

Titus claiming cop is a scumclaim yeah

[usesPython]

Uhhh, no?

We explictly DON'T hammer cop claims

That's like the whole point of claiming

If she claims cop we just treat her as flipped scum until the real cop claims, or if no real cop claims until day before ELo then I guess she's the real cop.

She can stay alive, still a scumclaim

[usesPython]

I was thinking Kyouko would never choose to check me when she can read me fine without a check, but since the n0 is random that isn’t a valid point

This is why Titus claiming cop here would be a scumclaim

[usesPython]

Yeah Titus going silent here is probably a scumclaim, we're still waiting on the gob n0 before we hammer tho

[usesPython]

I was thinking Kyouko would never choose to check me when she can read me fine without a check, but since the n0 is random that isn’t a valid point

This is why Titus claiming cop here would be a scumclaim

what? I literally said that it isn’t since the n0 is random

You're not getting it; if the n0 is random then kyoko announcing you as her n0 after the Gamma/Python fight means that her n0 is almost certainly a read

[usesPython]

I was thinking Kyouko would never choose to check me when she can read me fine without a check, but since the n0 is random that isn’t a valid point

This is why Titus claiming cop here would be a scumclaim

there is always a chance that someone rolls a n0 they can read well normally
though i would think titus does more if they were cop

also ack
we now have two people with intent to hammer stated

Chances of any given VT being a cops n0 is 1/12, in practice most of the time you're not gonna be lucky enough to have your n0 line up with someone who's town that has been given an opportunity to be visibly sorted and that you can also read well normally

[usesPython]

@python, are you sure? Like, I feel okayish at reading half of this playlist? And then getting a result on someone you can't read is surely better?

Getting a n0 on someone you can't read is good in the sense that you get an extra person in the towncore but bad in the sense that you can't just pass it off as a read meaning your n0 sticks out in the sea of people dropping a n0 on visible consensus townreads and you get shot

[usesPython]

I was thinking Kyouko would never choose to check me when she can read me fine without a check, but since the n0 is random that isn’t a valid point

This is why Titus claiming cop here would be a scumclaim

there is always a chance that someone rolls a n0 they can read well normally
though i would think titus does more if they were cop

also ack
we now have two people with intent to hammer stated

Chances of any given VT being a cops n0 is 1/12, in practice most of the time you're not gonna be lucky enough to have your n0 line up with someone who's town that has been given an opportunity to be visibly sorted and that you can also read well normally

this

this is not the percentage you care about though
the percentage you care about is the chances of it being on someone you can read well
then just wait until you have a good opportunity to town read them and drop the n0 inno at that point

We're gonna shelf this argument until later cause we're starting to realise most of this PL doesn't know how to seer hunt well and at this point we're doing scums job for them

[usesPython]

Will say that with a more experienced playerlist your mech would be absolutely correct though

[usesPython]

[usesPython]

tf is that supposed to mean
I reacted like that because uP calling the entire game “inexperienced” is W I L D

Inexperienced as in this is the first time half the people here have ever done mass cop hypoing

[usesPython]

tf is that supposed to mean
I reacted like that because uP calling the entire game “inexperienced” is W I L D

Inexperienced as in this is the first time half the people here have ever done mass cop hypoing

Python vs The N00bs

Really sad we didn't roll scum this game; pretty sure we could have nailed the cop by n2, maybe n3 at the latest

[usesPython]

i thought the point of mass hypoing d1 was to just random.org it because if you use your own judgement it can give the mafia information

unironically probably would have been better than how this d1 turned out

[usesPython]

That is the fault in yours and Pythons game, no one player ever plays optimally.

After arguing our way out of a red check two times in a row because we played suboptimally and argued that we'd play optimally as scum we're learning

[usesPython]

you can't read meuh only i can read meuh

Well yeah, it's not a read

[usesPython]

Reality swamped. Someone catch me up

You're at E-1 with like 2 people already declaring intent

[usesPython]

Reality swamped. Someone catch me up

This is the current case on you, only other thing that happened was gob replacing out

Here are some thoughts for all of you to process:

I have voted out Titus in like my last 2-3 games with her.
Recent one I was scum.
She even referenced this early as she joined and that she wouldn't let me get away with mislimming her again.

Yet, she has done zero sorting me. Even though been voting her all day. Made posts about her being scum. Etc.

So you want to tell me she is both town, and does zero sorting me even though I recently mislimmed her when she was town and i was scum?
Doesn't care what alignment I am?

Ignores my constant pushing.
Comes back and does random pushes on Hua Tao or w/e is latest posts going on to comment on.

I feel like I should be a big elephant in the room for Titus to sort and solve, but 0 effort. Even though I don't think I have moved my vote at all from her since she has joined this game.

Put yourself in her shoes for one minute and pretend I just mislimmed you when i was scum. We are in this game and I am calling you to be elimmed, I make posts about you. Do you comment on anything I say? do you have a stance on me?

What do you do?

Tell me.

There this is best case I am going to make on Titus right now.

[usesPython]

Is DragonEater70 close to lim? What's the VC?

V OTECOUNT 1.12
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
Titus (7)	Hu Tao, Meuh, Firebringer, yessiree, Aristeia, Gamma Emerald, Doctor Drew
usesPython (3)	gob, Titus, RCEnigma
Aristeia (2)	usesPython, DragonEater70
Hu Tao (1)	Naerys
yessiree (1)	Theta Alpine
Bellaphant (1)	furtiveglance
NOT VOTING: davesaz, Bellaphant
With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-12-25 01:44:07)
Notes: Please alert me of any votecount errors you notice!

UNVOTE:

Also, didn't realize Titus had that many votes. Will hold off for now.

UNVOTE:

I'm fine with just going Titus to advance the day VOTE: Titus

VOTE: Titus

VC should look like:

Titus (8): Meuh, Firebringer, yessiree, Aristeia, Gamma Emerald, Hu Tao, davesaz, DragonEater70

[usesPython]

VOTE: Titus

would rather not lim DE here

[usesPython]

That's E-1 since facebook moved off Titus

[usesPython]

I am so night killing u tonight for calling me facebook

You're right, forgot they rebranded to Meta

[usesPython]

VOTE: Titus

would rather not lim DE here

Yeah this is scum.

I mean we could go yes man or ari too but we don't see those wagons happening

[usesPython]

VOTE: Titus

would rather not lim DE here

Yeah this is scum.

I mean we could go yes man or ari too but we don't see those wagons happening

why won't u go dragon eater?

We're pretty good at finding town DE and he towntold

[usesPython]

VOTE: Titus

would rather not lim DE here

Yeah this is scum.

I mean we could go yes man or ari too but we don't see those wagons happening

why won't u go dragon eater?

More specifically this post is well beyond scum DE's ability to fake a pivot like this

Spoiler: beeg

I have some unbaked thoughts about Ari and Naerys

Alrighty

I've had a good night's sleep and then a chill day, and now the bakery inside my mind is operating in full cpacity, and all my thoughts are fully baked.

Let's roll.

Spoiler: Ari quotes, part 1

you just feel like you're having a lot of fun

tbh this is like the least reliable way to read someone because the last time I read sakura this way she was mafia

im like pretty unlikely to put the effort into this game to actually do some hardcore solving but gth i think naerys hu tao and black feel kinda scummy

So these posts, like I said before, pinged me as scummy and not really putting thought into the game in a way that I hadn't seen town!Ari do.

But then I saw these posts:

Spoiler: Ari quotes, part 2

i am pretty sure black is town and willing to put her in w/e name i give to my town core group whenever i come up with a name for it.

why is naerys or hu tao scummy for u even if u want to give a sentence or somethin

naerys feels like she's selfconscious and focussed on how she appears in the game

hu tao rule of 3 from naerys post and her content feels ? she mentions reading a few times but has no content on what she's read

black because she's hu tao's inno result and also she feels so cool and collected when she gets pushed here, some of her comments feel p out of place with her progressions.

idk if ur doing a really good job of telling me a good version of what u think i will think is a good reason to call me townie or u really believe it. If its fake its pretty good ngl

its not a great reason to call someone town its a p bad reason for a read tbh but I'm unlikely to actually commit more effort to this game because I want to be more casual and less tryhardy to enjoy the game more. I don't want people to get mad at me for being too suffocating.

i might even throw meuh in as a 4th scumread but that feels LAZY and I can't read her for shit lol

And these posts kinda pinged town. And I did agree that there was something off about Naerys play this game (more on this later). However, despite the fact that these posts are towny in a vacuum, I still felt this is scum!Ari by meta.

So I actually went and did meta research on Ari, or at least tried to because apparently she only has one scum game on this site aside from Fruit Mafia. But anyway the point is I did look at her town games and apparently Ari is not ALWAYS a tryhard townie, there's also a laid back version of town!Ari that wants to be carried (for example in the game "The Coalition, Again"). So this makes the entire meta scumread on her invalid tbh.

I also liked these posts and I think they are very similar to something Ari posted as town in Coalition of Frogs (Open 887):

Spoiler: Ari quotes, part 3

what is my record for reading black? Is it 2/3 or 2/4 or what is it even at this point. I think Black progressions make sense for her? But she is just feeling like a different player and i guess thats just the mood/feeling in the game/day for her.

well when I say progression I mean like

293

this is directly at me and asking me to join her roleplay group and vote for RCE - which is kind of a way to defend Naerys because she's asking me to move from one suspect to another. I turned her down because I liked RCE's response in 289 because it felt like a very spontaneous and fun response to make in the moment - she then responds in 301 which is ?

like does she still think RCE is mafia at that point? does she like my read progression on RCE? if she does why's she still voting for him?

then she votes me at 735 and clarifies in 747 that she thinks I was pocketing her? which doesn't really make sense to me because like I turned her down in our brief interaction so I'm not sure how I was pocketing her.

I am ready to be carried by Black

I dont even know if she's town but she does have that Queen energy down

I guess it was this

ok but if I'm mafia and posting that to pocket her and she offers me to join her court and vote a suspect of mine wouldnt it make sense for me to uh join her court and help her if that was my goal?

Anyways, I also skimmed Naerys ISO and I felt she hasn't been really solving this game. However, in both Mini Normal 2316 and Mini Theme 2318, she was also not really solving early. And she did do SOME solving this game. So I think I'm fine with not calling Naerys scum right now.

Hmm it kinda feels like I had more to say about Naerys but tbh I don't really. K let me post this and then go read the ~8 pages I'm missing.

[usesPython]

ill fight all wagons on yesman and ari to the death.

Who are you willing to wagon, then

theta, bella, davesaz, furtive, gob slot, naerys,

basically anyone not in my town grouping that i feel pretty good about
which is: you, black/drew, meuh, ari, and python

i could be convinced on yessiree but im just not even seeing a solid case.

yes man's just the kind of player you have to vibe read for genuineness vs feeling like he has a mask on, we don't really have an in depth case beyond that

[usesPython]

VOTE: Titus

would rather not lim DE here

Yeah this is scum.

I asked people earlier to refute my townread on uP’s early game, that request is still open since I don’t really see the scum agenda to uP’s current play, this just feels like knee jerk reactions

I haven't read UP's early game but I saw an omgus and then basically a tantrum. That behavior would be NAI but for the timing.

Who'd we omgus?

[usesPython]

We're voting you here cause you're wagoning DE, it's less a "yeah ur scum" and more "idk wouldn't be surprised either way"

[usesPython]

also what tantrum

[usesPython]

How to solve the game:

1. Shoot Titus
   
2. Shoot everyone on the DE wagon

[usesPython]

Dragon i wish i could white knight you as you did me in 244 but i am pants at this xD

idk how to white knight so we're just gonna point out that we have a really good track record when it comes to reading DE's towngame and that we strongly think he's town here

[usesPython]

Like fb you have effort in sorting de but none of it is helping you cause all of it is less AI than de having a thought process even once that's well beyond his ability as a mafia player to fake as scum

[usesPython]

Gamma balls in your court; you tr both fb and us but we've never mislimmed DE. Who do you trust has the more accurate read?

[usesPython]

if titus is alive can yall switch to dragoneater? I feel like this last page should be evidence enough for yall

If DE got copped as town would you still think Titus is scum here?

[usesPython]

also why are you voting Firebringer instead of titus when his read process on you is pretty clear and you think she doesnt even have a read on you and is just doing this for survivalism

DE's voting Titus as of the latest votecount

[usesPython]

Actually nvm votecount has DE voting two people

[usesPython]

DE stop throwing and vote Titus here instead of letting yourself get limmed due to deadline, we can have this fight tomorrow

[usesPython]

if titus is alive can yall switch to dragoneater? I feel like this last page should be evidence enough for yall

If DE got copped as town would you still think Titus is scum here?

???

what correlation does DE's alignment have with Titus

Is it too cliche to say i think Titus flips town here. I just think dragoneater is very obviously scum and he isn't bussing.

[usesPython]

We're not seeing it, we're reading 2580 as "DE's scum and not bussing" -> "Titus town"

[usesPython]

Python are you just willing to stake your life 100% that DE is just town here

Yes

[usesPython]

Is this day over yet? Over 100 pages

It is, Titus got hammered

[usesPython]

python expecting me to trust their judgement when they been one of the most inconsistent players in this game is also funny to me.

The only people in this playerlist we can read really well are Drew and DE so that isn't surprising

[usesPython]

Btw Python, Drew is town right?

Drew isn't caught up enough for us to have a good read on him. Us not getting any town pings from his posts is a little scummy but like not enough for us to do anything about it

[usesPython]

She isn't the cop

This, pretty blatant cop bait

[usesPython]

For future reference: everyone is lying about being the cop to seer hunt until they actually flip cop

[usesPython]

if i die tonight, i was checking dragoneater

if we die tonight we were checking theta

[usesPython]

i cc jester

[usesPython]

feel like you're tmiing town titus flip becuz i cant see how you sr firebringer unless you know titus flips town since he pushed her harder than anyone

Didn't fireman literally try to hop off titus for de?

[usesPython]

do u think firebringer scum ever pushes titus scum this hard

I think we need to look at how the titus wagon happened during the night, didn't fb drop the big case when titus was like e-2 with no counterwagons?

[usesPython]

firebringer has been pushing the slot since it was named kyouko

Was it a nuanced case like the recent titus one or was it just vibes tier?

[usesPython]

On reread I don't think he really pushed for a kyoko lim that hard (like he made it clear he thought kyo was scum but he didnt like start wheeling and dealing to make the lim happen until way later)

I think FB could go either way but more likely to flip town and the kyoko timeline didn't really make him townier imo

[usesPython]

DragonEater70 has been killed. He was a

cop

.

lol no fucking way

We thought you were the cop

[usesPython]

I'll drop our cop hunting in a nice format when we get on an actual computer, chances are high equity cops were just straight up wrong.

Python/yessiree/theta/firebringer/de/gamma was our starting point.

• Python had decent cop equity
  
• yessiree got disqualified for 1990
  
• theta had theoretical cop equity but mostly just a 0 info slot copwise
  
• FB had giga cop equity
  
• DE we disqualified for 1362 making the n0 feel like a read
  
• gamma was disqualified for 2711

Honourable mention: gob slot gigabraining cop equity wifom by not dropping a n0

[usesPython]

Playerlist
ID	Player	Hypo	Dropped cover?
1	Titus ssbm_Kyouko	Gamma Emerald
2	davesaz TheHoldSteady	Black
3	Bellaphant	Gamma Emerald
4	Gamma Emerald	gob	Yes
5	Enchant gob		Yes?
6	DragonEater70	Meuh	Implied
7	Aristeia	Meuh	Yes
8	Doctor Drew Black	Aristeia	Implied
9	Firebringer	RCEnigma
10	yessiree	Hu Tao	Implied
11	Naerys	DragonEater70	Implied
12	Meuh	Gamma Emerald
13	Hu Tao	Black
14	RCEnigma	Aristeia	Implied
15	furtiveglance	Gamma Emerald
16	Theta Alpine	TheHoldSteady
17	usesPython	furtiveglance

Actually just gonna phonepost the table, we didn't even bother cophunting the gamma/black checks due to those being obvreads

[usesPython]

I think there's a good chance scum skipped cophunting the long ISOs and just shot the towniest player that didn't obviously drop cover which is pretty annoying

[usesPython]

early kyoko posts feel like they spew gamma as town

[usesPython]

Titus choosing to hold their n0 till near eod feels intentional. Gamma being the claim also feels intentional.

In the sense it probably means gamma town.

kyouko claimed it earlier

Python vs Gamma looks interesting. Is scum hiding in there?

Gamma is my N0 inno

[usesPython]

I think there's a good chance scum skipped cophunting the long ISOs and just shot the towniest player that didn't obviously drop cover which is pretty annoying

Fwiw while DE did justify the cop check with a read, he also had a weird insistance on it and the read itself wasn’t that strong
I think a team taking the time to look things through could’ve found him

The thing that makes us think otherwise is that while DE has some cop equity if you look at it from a weak read perspective, FB had even more cop equity if you look at just how naturally he was considering RCEs thoughts as coming from conftown by interacting with them in a co-operative "lets find scum together" mindset

[usesPython]

So if scum were reading close enough to make a weak read cop conclusion they'd also read close enough to find fb

[usesPython]

that makes a lot more sense than I thought it would

VOTE: fb

[usesPython]

alternatively rce is scum and fb ruled himself out but I wanna go here first

[usesPython]

Clearing drew is a mistake here

But like I said I don't wanna go after him right now

He better start drewing it up tho

Stop stealing our thoughts before we even post them

[usesPython]

Gamma respectfully I don’t want to interact much this day phase.

Who is mafia

[usesPython]

Who do you think is mafia? Am I still mafia?

Probably a good hit in fb/rce/yessiree

We prob need to reread you at some point due to our read on you being formed during a tunnel but vca wise you staying on titus makes you probably town

[usesPython]

Wait no you tried to swap off titus onto us

screw it, we'll just sheep others on you

[usesPython]

Wait no you tried to swap off titus onto us

screw it, we'll just sheep others on you

Would you prefer us OMGUSing you? Solution is pretty simple, get one of:

1. Recent DE quote where he calls you town
   
2. Gamma calling you town
   
3. Meuh confidently calling you town

and we'll just locktown you until we've forgotten about D1 and can have a non-biased read

[usesPython]

I townread Hu Tao
I was going to claim her as my N1

cool cool, hu can be town then

[usesPython]

Wait no you tried to swap off titus onto us

screw it, we'll just sheep others on you

Would you prefer us OMGUSing you? Solution is pretty simple, get one of:

1. Recent DE quote where he calls you town
   
2. Gamma calling you town
   
3. Meuh confidently calling you town

and we'll just locktown you until we've forgotten about D1 and can have a non-biased read

You might need to be the Elim today. You cannot be serious

VOTE: Python

What specifically is the problem with sheeping people we consider town on a slot that we can't read accurately

[usesPython]

Since we don't have to keep cop cover anymore, this gave bad vibes when it was posted apparently

How old is black really?

I read the last few pages and I basically tr everyone, which is an issue.

Dragon, Ari and rce specifically

Rule of 3

I dunno how I feel about python and gamma

setting up/encouraging tvt

I have read like 50% of this game but I haven't liked any posts from yessiree.

Can someone give me the tldr?

VOTE: yess
.sorry, I am having a shit week and can't keep up but I've skim read and am basically sleeping dragon, plus the last time I engaged with this thread yess was my only SR.

P-edit I thought theta was fairly town.

voting on a pretty popular wagon

[usesPython]

I don’t trust the motives of your defense, I feel like you had already figured out he was cop and were just whiteknighting since you knew you’d kill him at night, plus the way you came in wanting to push those that voted him felt very agenda-driven

Speaking as someone who was actively cop hunting, I don't think scum could have figured out who was cop that early unless there's scum in gob/rce/furt.

During the wagon fb, you, and us all had pretty good cop equity

[usesPython]

And I don’t believe u believe I thought dragoneater was cop.

Python pointed out dragon was not posting like cop.

some may subscribe to the thought that scum just shot someone for being too towny
but i think scum figured out who the cop was at some point
and i would argue it was before night even happened
the fact the cop was the first person to get eliminated speaks a bit too strongly to scum just figuring it out

Assume scum are terrible at cop hunting and think everyone can be cop equally, who are the most likely nightkills?

[usesPython]

Lol, this reminds me of scumFB after he was caught by me in Mafia Has A Cop

We haven't read that game, can you give a twitter length tl;dr on what the similarities were and if it was a Drew^TM read?

[usesPython]

VOTE: rce

[usesPython]

Merry holidays

[usesPython]

I just sell my vote to Meuh.

Ez.

That's not very enchant of you

Shut up you don't even know enchanting table language

[usesPython]

I think you're just not reading. I've scumread them since day 1

Who do you think is mafia other than us

[usesPython]

I think you're just not reading. I've scumread them since day 1

Who do you think is mafia other than us

Also still waiting on an answer to 2831

[usesPython]

Lol, this reminds me of scumFB after he was caught by me in Mafia Has A Cop

We haven't read that game, can you give a twitter length tl;dr on what the similarities were and if it was a Drew^TM read?

I tracked FB to Flavor, so he was caught scum there. But the only slight chance he had was to get angry and flail, and even lob some insults like he has done here.

Not an exact 1/1 scenario and reaction, but the general similar tones of both reactions is what sticks out to me the most.

I'm feelin the town Drew vibes, this is still a certified Drew^TM post tho

[usesPython]

{town}
{Python, Meuh}
{Gamma}
{Drew}

{dave, Bella, Enchant, Ari, Naerys, furtive, theta}
{rce}

{scum}

fb, yessiree, hu tao reads still need to cook but kinda where we're at right now. yessiree feels like town but in our blindspot and with a knife in his pocket. fb's probably town but in the paranoia zone. Hu Tao we can't tell if scumsiding or just scum

{fb}
{yessiree}


{hu tao}

[usesPython]

Lol, this reminds me of scumFB after he was caught by me in Mafia Has A Cop

We haven't read that game, can you give a twitter length tl;dr on what the similarities were and if it was a Drew^TM read?

I tracked FB to Flavor, so he was caught scum there. But the only slight chance he had was to get angry and flail, and even lob some insults like he has done here.

Not an exact 1/1 scenario and reaction, but the general similar tones of both reactions is what sticks out to me the most.

I'm feelin the town Drew vibes, this is still a certified Drew^TM post tho

I think we're fine with locktowning Drew over this btw.

Drew normally has an element of tinfoil to his townplay that he tries to emulate in his scumgame but in those cases it tends to be him having a normal one until suddenly he realizes he needs to Drew it up and drops some crazy tinfoil to play to his meta. Here this feels like unstated tinfoil that people won't actually realize is tinfoil until it gets dug into, like very much natural instead of being played up

[usesPython]

I will need a formal apology from you if FB is in fact scum.

I mean fb can be scum we just doubt that he's specifically scum for acting in the same way he acted when you had a mech guilty on him

[usesPython]

fb announcing he's checking DE might have been a contributing factor to DE getting shot if both fb and rce are town

[usesPython]

I think you're just not reading. I've scumread them since day 1

Who do you think is mafia other than us

Also still waiting on an answer to 2831

Ari might be scum. And yes, there is an issue. Cause your town read said I'm town yet you said you're still unsure. So seems like an excuse imo

Notice how we're still not voting you even though you're below rce tier. We're willing to sheep, doesn't mean we wont speak our mind when we're laying out our reads on everyone

[usesPython]

{town}
{Python, Meuh}
{Gamma}
{Drew}

{dave, Bella, Enchant, Ari, Naerys, furtive, theta}
{rce}

{scum}

fb, yessiree, hu tao reads still need to cook but kinda where we're at right now. yessiree feels like town but in our blindspot and with a knife in his pocket. fb's probably town but in the paranoia zone. Hu Tao we can't tell if scumsiding or just scum

{fb}
{yessiree}


{hu tao}

Yessiree and Hu Tao plausible scum candidates, approval from me

Yes. I bussed my teammate day 1. And my teammate tried to make me the counterwagon. You caught us.

Yes. We bussed our teammate day 1. And our teammate tried to make us the counterwagon. You caught us.

[usesPython]

Lol, this reminds me of scumFB after he was caught by me in Mafia Has A Cop

We haven't read that game, can you give a twitter length tl;dr on what the similarities were and if it was a Drew^TM read?

I tracked FB to Flavor, so he was caught scum there. But the only slight chance he had was to get angry and flail, and even lob some insults like he has done here.

Not an exact 1/1 scenario and reaction, but the general similar tones of both reactions is what sticks out to me the most.

I'm feelin the town Drew vibes, this is still a certified Drew^TM post tho

I think we're fine with locktowning Drew over this btw.

Drew normally has an element of tinfoil to his townplay that he tries to emulate in his scumgame but in those cases it tends to be him having a normal one until suddenly he realizes he needs to Drew it up and drops some crazy tinfoil to play to his meta. Here this feels like unstated tinfoil that people won't actually realize is tinfoil until it gets dug into, like very much natural instead of being played up

Also not sure of this is a TMI slip or not.

But color me wanting to maybe vote Python as well.

Can you explain how my scum and town game are different? Cause I disagree with your assessment.

It's something that we noticed when we were reading your games to meta you for Weird Dreams Redux, we picked up on it when we were reading Mini Normal 2296. There you went from being a 0 on the Drewmometer to posting

So I say vote bristep and state that an elim between Dessew/bristep is the best course of action, not only are they most scummy and odds are the best there is at least one scum between them imo, but there is enough connective tissue that both of them could be scum.

Then just as Dessew is saying that scum have day talk and could launch a coordinated attack, they both launch what appears to be a coordinated attack on me lol.

Oh this is good stuff right here.

Where the vibe was very much "look at me I'm drewposting".

[usesPython]

Like if we were to put it into words scum Drew throws a molotov through your living room window while town Drew replaces all the fuses in your fusebox with a higher rating

[usesPython]

Like if we were to put it into words scum Drew throws a molotov through your living room window while town Drew replaces all the fuses in your fusebox with a higher rating

Scum Drews Drewposting is a lightswitch while town Drews is a dimmer switch

[usesPython]

fb, yessiree, hu tao reads still need to cook but kinda where we're at right now.

ill serve u sick dish right now

only scum has townread me so far, everyone who sr me is probtown+

We're mindmelding with all your posts while never getting town vibes and idk how to interpret that

[usesPython]

I think you're just not reading. I've scumread them since day 1

Who do you think is mafia other than us

Also still waiting on an answer to 2831

Ari might be scum. And yes, there is an issue. Cause your town read said I'm town yet you said you're still unsure. So seems like an excuse imo

Why Ari

[usesPython]

Why sort everyone when you can just go pyramid scheme mode and sort 3 people then have those 3 people sort 3 other people

[usesPython]

My reads are like:
Meuh, Python, Gamma, Drew
Ari, furtive, Hua Tao, Naeyrs
Bella, yessiree
Davesaz
RCE
Theta

What's the Theta case? We have a weak town read on her cause of the mech she's pushing about scum knowing DE was cop during d1 despite him having anti-cop posts like

We're gonna shelf this argument until later cause we're starting to realise most of this PL doesn't know how to seer hunt well and at this point we're doing scums job for them

Yeah I'm basically going to sheep whoever Python calls cop

and seemingly basing the n0 off a read while high equity cops like fb/python/gamma and medium equity cops like theta/gob were all alive

[usesPython]

I think out of the people in the existence tier RCE has the highest chance of flipping scum but it's not a strong read

[usesPython]

Like we think the people pushing the "Scum knew who cop was" are wrong cause if you're not looking deep enough to rule out DE then your pool is too big to have only 1 cop even with people having wrong n0's and if you're looking deep enough to narrow the pool to 1 cop even with people having wrong n0's then you rule out DE from the anti-cop equity

[usesPython]

And I don’t believe u believe I thought dragoneater was cop.

Python pointed out dragon was not posting like cop.

some may subscribe to the thought that scum just shot someone for being too towny
but i think scum figured out who the cop was at some point
and i would argue it was before night even happened
the fact the cop was the first person to get eliminated speaks a bit too strongly to scum just figuring it out

My hot take is dragon was killed because you gave more than half the town defending him

Not because they thought was cop.

I ruled dragon out as cop myself and was going to yell at everyone for blowing their cop cover which included dragon there was like 4 players at end of day who I thought could be cop. Dragon not one of them

Who was your 4 btw?

[usesPython]

like you're right that his logic is pretty bad but its also bad in a way that comes from town!him

and you can always just be fustrated as caught for the wrong reasons scum.

you just feel really flat/unethuiastic about this game whereas like in G&R you felt a lot more like you were interested in playing and just throwing things out there

RCE didn't play in Guns & Roses?

[usesPython]

fine let me explain how to figure out who the cop was day 1
dragoneater was
kinda obvious to me at least
dragoneater spelled out in his first post that both the cop and vts should be making it somewhat seem like their n0 was read based
that is a post that will come from one of two people
someone who obsesses heavily over mechanics like myself
or someone who is the cop and is immediately thinking what to do in order to best stay hidden from scum

now to be fair i have not interacted with dragoneater in a game where there is only one mechanic to work with before but my previous interactions with dragoneater suggested that
well
it was the latter

That actually makes a decent amount of sense in hindsight for seer hunting but it also implies that any scumteam reading DE as cop would have had to either miss or ignore the anti-cop posts, and if they're not reading close enough to see the anti-cop posts then that also means they can't rule out like 4-5ish people with more cop equity than DE. FB doesn't give us that fibe

[usesPython]

Like that kind of approach of "actively cop hunt" vs "POE the cop" I feel like scum would lean to the latter which doesn't let them purposefully nail the cop n1

[usesPython]

Idk if I buy FB leading the wagon on DE just to shoot them in the night.

[usesPython]

Like we think the people pushing the "Scum knew who cop was" are wrong cause if you're not looking deep enough to rule out DE then your pool is too big to have only 1 cop even with people having wrong n0's and if you're looking deep enough to narrow the pool to 1 cop even with people having wrong n0's then you rule out DE from the anti-cop equity

I think any truly competent would know how to bluff not-a-cop as cop
Which makes me think your own work is lacking since I have the chops to probably pull that off

hmm maybe but it's more that so many people were blatantly posting reads (four people had you as their n0 after the Gamma/Python fight) and dropping cop cover (ari voting for her n0, ari and your reaction to titus claiming cop, drews n0 being someone that black was paranoiaing about, etc.) that DE can easily slip into the "can't hold cop cover" if you're ruling people out instead of ruling people in

[usesPython]

Yeah theta's in our blindspot but she doesn't feel worse than rce

[usesPython]

{dave, Bella, Enchant, Ari, Naerys, furtive, theta}

{Naerys, theta, ari}
{bella, furt}
{dave, enchant}

bella/furt is former existence tier

[usesPython]

we're ok with limming dave tier and below, maybe bella tier if there's an interesting case

[usesPython]

I think I saw some RCE posts that look weird if partnered with THS/dave

Only times we saw rce look in that direction, might have missed some

so what do you both feel is different about black compared to previous games?

I thought this was someone accidentally posting on an alt.

Is there an actual reason you all are limming Firebringer or is my RSV vote that I never removed going to be the basis here

This needs limming at some point.

[usesPython]

How i gonna sheep conftown if conftown doesn't post.

Literally trapped.

Have you read this game yet?

[usesPython]

That rule only applies for out of game rewards

We'll trade precognitive visions on this game for reading time

[usesPython]

Freebie vision: Enchant will never read the first 100 pages of this game

[usesPython]

I think the longer this day is going the more TvT the fights are getting, can we just go back to like pushing RCE or something

[usesPython]

Can we get a prod on Meuh?

[usesPython]

Also, can people just play a game of mafia with the understanding people might vote them, and not freak out every time it happens?

As long as people keep townreading AtE it'll keep on happening

Solution: policy any AtE until it stops happening

[usesPython]

As far as I can tell usesPython has only a POE and their vote on RCE is simply the least likely town in the POE. Am I understanding right?

Pretty much

Also I saw a comment about lots of TvT fights and we can avoid those by limming someone sooner than later. How would they know so many of the fights are TvT?

Cause people we're townreading are trying to shoot people we're townreading

[usesPython]

Re-reading the D1 EOD it feels like Titus was trying to pocket Hu Tao into voting us on page 91

[usesPython]

Looking at Titus's Hu Tao read in context it went:

1. Titus votes gob for recent post
   
2. Gets massive pushback and more votes
   
3. Hu Tao + Gob suggest Python wagon
   
4. Titus starts buttering up Hu Tao
   
5. Titus pivot onto Python for recent post

It feels anti-partnery. Whether Titus told her teammates to bus hard or to try to save her we can't really tell but Titus felt full survival mode and the Hu Tao read feels like a subtle pocket to keep Hu Tao on the Python wagon instead of switching rather than any real distancing

[usesPython]

Towncore: Python/Meuh/Enchant? (gob slot)/Gamma/Drew? (Want to revisit this once the next red flip happens)/Hu Tao/Firebringer?

I think that's probably close to a full solve

[usesPython]

Towncore: Python/Meuh/Enchant? (gob slot)/Gamma/Drew? (Want to revisit this once the next red flip happens)/Hu Tao/Firebringer?

I think that's probably close to a full solve

and if you had to replace firebringer on that list who would be in that position

Probably no one until the next red flip

[usesPython]

@dave

do you have other reasons to SR furtive besides him not voting Titus? I have gotten miseliminated for not voting obvscum out because I had a personal reservation so that point holds little water imo

why was Titus obvscum

This has been said twice no with no justification

She froze, which for her is one of the two possible reactions to getting run up as scum.
When she gets run up as town she digs in and finds scum, or at least tells town what she thinks on the off chance they listen to her after.

At the time furtive posted that Titus hadn't frozen yet

[usesPython]

i am still unwilling to stop tunneling firebringer
give me another irl day or two to finally give up and reevaluate

Condense the case into a twitter post

[usesPython]

wait nvm you already did

[usesPython]

I think Titus went full obfuscation mode around page 100 and that reading alignments from posts between there and EOD probably hurts more than it helps. Pages 88-100 are probably the most informative association wise

[usesPython]

I think if fb was bussing it'll become pretty obvious by the end of the game and that in that case trying to hit his teammates is the better play rn

[usesPython]

i had a recent game with theta where she was scum. I would like people who are neutral or town leaning (not hard townreading. U people are too biased for me to want to talk to right now)

And tell me if uthink this game is similar.

K? Firebringer homework assignment

What are we looking for?

[usesPython]

I think even without reading those games Theta'll be different simply due to it being booneytoonz vs what's essentially mountainous at this point

[usesPython]

i had a recent game with theta where she was scum. I would like people who are neutral or town leaning (not hard townreading. U people are too biased for me to want to talk to right now)

And tell me if uthink this game is similar.

K? Firebringer homework assignment

post the link?

viewtopic.php?t=91760

apparently theres this one which is a bit older too :
viewtopic.php?t=90946

Got two scum pms in booneytoonez, theta how much u bribing Flavor and how do i get in on this

[usesPython]

I think even without reading those games Theta'll be different simply due to it being booneytoonz vs what's essentially mountainous at this point

Wow whadda know, the first 20 pages are just her talking about millers

[usesPython]

Yeah I don't think we'll be able to meta theta off a mech heavy game like booneytoonz for this game, we're leaving that homework for someone else

[usesPython]

2520 was titus and fb chatting real time so the timestamps aren't that weird. What specifically about the 2634 timestamps are important?

[usesPython]

Naked yessiree vote on DE's pretty bad tbh

[usesPython]

Naked yessiree vote on DE's pretty bad tbh

Maybe not as bad as we though given the progression but it still feels icky

[usesPython]

I want to know your solve if you have one

Solve on day 2

I've given a list of people I'd be fine eliminating today. Python and Rce are two. yessiree is another if be fine with being gone.

I do have a little paranoia about python, they do have a pretty good track record of reading me correctly as town, but they seem to be really leaning on that crutch, talking about Drew posts and such, kinda striking me as a bit fake and overdone.

We're a lot more readable when we're scumreading people compared to townreading.

When we're scum unless we straight up need to call someone town for Reasons^TM we're only gonna be dropping townreads cause we actually get a "Yeah this is town indicative" ping. It's the same for scumreads but there tends to be a lot more people we have to call scum in that case so it's more visible there.

I think here as scum we'd either stay silent to let you get limmed later down the line or point out the townread to get a mutual townread back but that original townread would still be based off of something real if that makes sense?

[usesPython]

i dont think enchant has read anything still

This implies that they'll read at some point

[usesPython]

I will hammer anyone thats not Mueh or Gamma at this point

VOTE: Theta

[usesPython]

Who would win:
yessiree quickhammer vs enchant quickhammer

[usesPython]

If i am in charge, game is officially circus

VOTE: Furtive

I don’t hate this vote but I prefer other options

[usesPython]

I would probably rule out python here too

town!python have reasons to be suspicious of me given our history, whereas i feel they would try to build rapport by TRing me and getting me to reciprocate the TR by townreading their play which they could easily manipulate as scum. But I also reasons to TR them independently of this

Our issue with you is that while we have a lot of "Damn, this dude

correct

" moments when we're reading you we're not really getting any "This dude town fr fr" which makes it hard to really trust you

[usesPython]

Scum can be correct and town can be incorrect.

You are missing my point I think.

Which side is more likely to know who is 'correct'?

It's not about logic here, we don't get the

feeling

he's town

[usesPython]

having not reread the game at all and staring at firebringers list of names i think a possible team is like

rce + dave + yessiree

im going to take a nap and maybe more thoughts will come to me

hmhmhmm
VOTE: Davesaz

[usesPython]

everyone seems to fall asleep at my posts these days. Maybe I can use this as a scum tactic in the future where i put all the townies to sleep

I didn't agree with your last 2 votes

[usesPython]

Only thing holding us back from limming yessiree here is that the fake titus hammer is throwing us off

[usesPython]

Everything else in his ISO feels like the perfect storm of bussiree

[usesPython]

Only thing holding us back from limming yessiree here is that the fake titus hammer is throwing us off

he also only has 2 votes

Implying we can't mindcontrol the playerlist to get whoever we want limmed

VOTE: yessiree

[usesPython]

I mean i think its pretty clear that yessiree was voting Titus out of survivalism...

Is it? Look at the midgame of d1 at ~1.5k, he had an actual "yeah titus scum" read that was present since titus repped in when the only real wagons going on were titus and yessiree (both pretty much afk during that time)

[usesPython]

V OTECOUNT 1.6
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
yessiree (5)	Naerys, Theta Alpine, Aristeia, DragonEater70, Bellaphant
Titus (4)	Hu Tao, Meuh, davesaz, Firebringer
Firebringer (3)	gob, usesPython, yessiree
Hu Tao (1)	Titus
Meuh (1)	Black
Naerys (1)	furtiveglance
usesPython (1)	RCEnigma
NOT VOTING: Gamma Emerald
With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-12-25 01:44:07)
Notes: I have seized control of the game in a coup d'etat. When Alisae is no longer sick they will return to their rightful place. Please alert me of any votecount errors you notice!

V OTECOUNT 1.7
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
Titus (7)	Hu Tao, Meuh, davesaz, Firebringer, Black, yessiree, Aristeia
yessiree (5)	Naerys, Theta Alpine, DragonEater70, Bellaphant, usesPython
Bellaphant (1)	furtiveglance
Firebringer (1)	gob
Hu Tao (1)	Titus
usesPython (1)	RCEnigma
NOT VOTING: Gamma Emerald
With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-12-25 01:44:07)
Notes: I have seized control of the game in a coup d'etat. When Alisae is no longer sick they will return to their rightful place. Please alert me of any votecount errors you notice!

V OTECOUNT 1.8
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
Titus (5)	Hu Tao, Meuh, Firebringer, yessiree, Aristeia
Hu Tao (4)	Titus, Naerys, usesPython, Gamma Emerald
davesaz (2)	DragonEater70, RCEnigma
Firebringer (2)	gob, Black
yessiree (2)	Theta Alpine, Bellaphant
Bellaphant (1)	furtiveglance
Gamma Emerald (1)	davesaz
NOT VOTING:
With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-12-25 01:44:07)
Notes: I have seized control of the game in a coup d'etat. When Alisae is no longer sick they will return to their rightful place. Please alert me of any votecount errors you notice! Searching for a replacement for Black.

We should probably reread what happened between these VCs

[usesPython]

VOTE: Gamma

I was thiiiiiiis close to townreading gamma.

I still townread her btw, what did you see?

What the hell is this

[usesPython]

davesaz was voting gamma for stealing a pagetop or something. it was a joke vote

Yeah but it was also critical for killing the momentum on Titus and it took him forever to get back on

[usesPython]

VOTE: dave

[usesPython]

Everyone but Naerys can go in that group probably

[usesPython]

Do we believe that we wagoned two scum correctly day one tho?

Hi mueh! How can I help you feel more chill?

It's not that crazy

(We do a little gamblers fallacy it's called we do a little gamblers fallacy)

[usesPython]

Me doing that thing as conf town where I feel my posting has to be high quality so I barely post in wait for a perfect time to post where my mindspace is perfect and I can very effectively solve??? Couldn't ever happen!!!
I will medium quality post instead to break this habit

Do we believe that we wagoned two scum correctly day one tho?

Hi mueh! How can I help you feel more chill?

Spoiler:

Looks like high quality posting to us

[usesPython]

We vibe pretty heavily with Naerys's thought process around Titus since we had a lot of the same thoughts, I don't think Naerys is a good lim here

[usesPython]

I've just gone and skimmed her iso and it looks nothing like town!Titus in that game: the difference between her day play and her posting post game is really clear and she even alludes to 'being carried' by gob and fl.

I don't see why you'd lie about her 'playing well', but I'm
:s again now

Key point: If that's the only game Naerys played with titus then you should be comparing if titus's play that game is similar to this game since she wouldn't have town!titus to compare as a counterexample

[usesPython]

Yeah we've only played with titus in Weird Dreams Redux before (Where she had so much irl stuff going on she couldn't relay important details from hood chat to the scum pt) and we wouldn't really call her play obvscum here

[usesPython]

I don't think it's that crazy for Naerys to not really scumread titus here

[usesPython]

I think Dave is agreeing wit you?

[usesPython]

VOTE: yes man

[usesPython]

VOTE: yes man

This is not being counted as I don't know who it's for.

smh

VOTE: yessiree

[usesPython]

Why are deadlines 14 days I just wanna kill someone

[usesPython]

if ur goal was to get me to solve this game for u. Yes, should have promised me scumreads for me to continue efforting

We're cop we have a red check on firebringer trust

[usesPython]

if ur goal was to get me to solve this game for u. Yes, should have promised me scumreads for me to continue efforting

We're cop we have a red check on firebringer trust

i mean that was what i was going to do start of day but then dragon flipped cop and i was a sad

Don't let DE flipping cop stop you from faking a red check

[usesPython]

hmmm

on the one hand i think firebringer is scum
on the other hand that is actually a pretty good case

yess could be angry town here sure
but could also be scum that is annoyed the argument against them boils down to
they are doing the correct plays but just do not seem to vibe town

@yess, it isn't even a case really, it's just...this. do you wanna link me a town and scum game? It's not that I'm confident reading you, so like fair, I'll put the work in, I just am trying to be more confident generally in trusting those early reads for....personal reasons.


You did mention the bussing thing though, which iirc came from FB. Do you wanna talk to me more about that?

ok I see the merit in that, I dig first impression reads, as they often have a pretty good accuracy, like my first impression read of kyouko this game
but i just dont think it's wise to use that as the sole basis to form ur read on someone, especially when are content that can be used to refine/influence that read

town game: viewtopic.php?t=91553
scum game: viewtopic.php?t=91915

i forget who was pushing me bussing Titus, I think a lot people agreed it was more likely scum heavily bussed Titus and that I was one of the candidates (?)
i have to go back to look, but i also did mention i think we're more likely to hit scum off wagon

I just realised we played a game with you as town, we should probably reread that

[usesPython]

ok reread our progression that game, we went from yes town to yes null through that game whereas in divide and conquer we were townreading to hard scumreading you that game so your scumtell might just straight up be being obvious

UNVOTE:

[usesPython]

ok reread our progression that game, we went from yes town to yes null through that game whereas in divide and conquer we were townreading to hard scumreading you that game so your scumtell might just straight up be being obvious

UNVOTE:

well to be fair in divide and conquer i was in small hood with u, so i literally had to be either town or scum from ur pov

nah it's different, we were coming at the yes scumread there from an independent "yes scum" as opposed to "yes is scummier than invis so yes scum"

[usesPython]

(and If I was scum with both of you I'd rather keep you alive)

also why would scum keep me alive over Titus if we were all scum together?

Because titus was doing basically nothing and pretty much no one townread her whereas you were like actually doing stuff

(Not saying you're scum here that's just the reason to bus titus over 90% of the playerlist yesterday)

[usesPython]

Did RCE do something townie or did they just go dark until everyone forgot about them and moved on?

[usesPython]

at this rate it's looking like there wont be an RCE to read

VOTE: rce

[usesPython]

happy new year

UNVOTE:

[usesPython]

VOTE: 14glance

(alisae just for you we're clarifying that this is a vote for furtive)

[usesPython]

What if we flipped dave

[usesPython]

I'm not sure why Python voted me, they've taken up similar positions to me for most of the game (especially recently).

We're bored and voting literally anyone in our POE, this day is taking forever

[usesPython]

oh no we're being baited into playing the game again

[usesPython]

Idk how to feel about Titus tbh
Meh i feel like its bit unfair voting her, since she had irl issues

Titus i suppose you have last few hours to defend urself

Intent

Could you wait couple of hours?

If Titus claims cop we hammer

And if its true claim and you just limmed a cop? Then we just yeet you next, does it sound like a fair deal?

It doesnt look like Titus is going to defend herself anymore
I suppose Bella can hammer

VOTE: Titus
Someone hmmer,thx

Is this partnered? Someone comment

Naerys and Titus were both playing in Mini Normal 2317 at EOD so Naerys should have been better positioned to see Titus freeze from the cross-site activity

[usesPython]

Right now, I see Drew/Gob and ccs/Chell.

It doesnt look like Titus is going to defend herself anymore
I suppose Bella can hammer

The timing on these two posts specifically feel unpartnered if we're assuming a cross site activity read

[usesPython]

VOTE: dave

[usesPython]

Nae can go into the towncore

[usesPython]

The timing on these two posts specifically feel unpartnered if we're assuming a cross site activity read

Like it feels like Naerys saw the post, waited a bit to see if Titus would start posting in this game too, then made the freeze read when that didn't happen

[usesPython]

Right now, I see Drew/Gob and ccs/Chell.

It doesnt look like Titus is going to defend herself anymore
I suppose Bella can hammer

The timing on these two posts specifically feel unpartnered if we're assuming a cross site activity read

Were these posts at about the same time?

[usesPython]

Naerys dropped 2446 then 27 minutes later Titus posts in Mini Normal 2317 then 87 minutes after that Naerys makes the freeze read in 2447

[usesPython]

has dave done anything townie yet?

[usesPython]

has dave done anything townie yet?

Every fucking thing I've done in this game has been townie.
I promised myself that I'll stop reacting to shit like this the way I used to react to it.
Therefore I'll leave off what I really think about all of you and leave it at that.

Maybe worded that wrongly. We're mostly looking for sets of posts that either show you didn't know someones alignment (e.g. the stuff we're tring naerys for) or otherwise deeply wouldn't be done by scum you (e.g. the stuff we were tring DE for), with the caveat that scum you wouldn't think to fake that kind of thing (for obvious reasons therefore it's probably not something you'd be able to point out to us)

[usesPython]

Clarification/addition to 3644, I think Titus would plan both the conversation and the votes, and plan a time to be here together to make it look like it just happened live.

We've seen "unable to play due to irl" titus before, would be genuinely surprised if titus had more than a one liner in the scum PT this game

[usesPython]

Clarification/addition to 3644, I think Titus would plan both the conversation and the votes, and plan a time to be here together to make it look like it just happened live.

We've seen "unable to play due to irl" titus before, would be genuinely surprised if titus had more than a one liner in the scum PT this game

though hmm this is assuming that titus was maybe busier than she actually was

[usesPython]

That is the most troll pick outside of u just picking to do me.
Which I would have done also

Okay yessiree

my reasoning
i think gob is in a lot of people's blindspot rn, or poeple somehow wrote him off as town and forgot all about him, so they are not as critical of the slot as they should
enchant still having no read after one and a half week in the game is a yellow flag, even if he completely ignores all of day 1 there should still be enough stuff for him to get a baseline read on the gamestate
the furtive vote has no sauce for someone of his calibre

I think titus kinda spewed gob and hu tao as town so thats why we don't really care to check that blindspot

[usesPython]

Cop is dead, one scum is also dead

can i get links to the posts, the d1 host post shows 0 dead however it's also d2 so that's wrong

V OTECOUNT 1.FINAL
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
Titus (9)	Meuh, Hu Tao, davesaz, usesPython, Naerys, yessiree, RCEnigma, Aristeia, DragonEater70
DragonEater70 (3)	Firebringer, Titus, Gamma Emerald
usesPython (1)	gob
yessiree (1)	Theta Alpine
Bellaphant (1)	furtiveglance
NOT VOTING: Bellaphant, Doctor Drew
With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to flip!
Notes: Please alert me of any votecount errors you notice!

Titus was

Mafia

. Night Deadline is (expired on 2023-12-23 20:30:45). Deadline will be frozen at the last hour and will be resumed once a replacement for gob has been found & confirmed.

DragonEater70 has been killed. He was a

cop

.