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sheep*

why do the posts keep linking to off by one ):

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I’m going to explain, spending time with someone important

ok! no rush

Why are you voting purple

I don’t think skitter wagon is going to make it thru

Why not?

noone else seems very interested in voting there

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ok whatever this sucks but I’ll say my true reason one sec

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I actually might change onto purple for now, yet dragon really a scum suspect etoo. |(skitter kinda scummy by votes but I don’t have enough to go on yet). flushwagon still looks dodgy af
eh sure

VOTE: purple

I was trying to make the letters work to (fake? I’m not saying)crumb cop. first letters up to the |:
I am cop fn [first night?] ydrasse

was hoping slim chance scum might pick it up but I don’t wanna get voted out for a post I made that isn’t like my true thoughts

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I’m going to explain, spending time with someone important

ok! no rush

Why are you voting purple

I don’t think skitter wagon is going to make it thru

Why purple

I have 3 numbers written down for anti-purple I have no idea what these link to
992
994
1011

These are all posts from other people. Are you saying you mindmeld with KJQ and HEM?

idk about mindmeld but I like their ideas here yes

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Ketchup, do you have scum experience?

not yet!

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I actually might change onto purple for now, yet dragon really a scum suspect etoo. |(skitter kinda scummy by votes but I don’t have enough to go on yet). flushwagon still looks dodgy af
eh sure

VOTE: purple

I was trying to make the letters work to (fake? I’m not saying)crumb cop. first letters up to the |:
I am cop fn [first night?] ydrasse

was hoping slim chance scum might pick it up but I don’t wanna get voted out for a post I made that isn’t like my true thoughts

I highly doubt anyone was going to pick up on that

I had fun with it (;
I thought your hmmm after might’ve been you picking up on it I was excited

[ketchup777]

I’m going to explain, spending time with someone important

ok! no rush

Why are you voting purple

I don’t think skitter wagon is going to make it thru

Why not?

noone else seems very interested in voting there

Purple expressed interest though in a weird way. I specifically asked Zach if he scumread skitter more than me and he said yes (he’s currently voting me)

Pretty sure that would be the 5 we need if we wanted to lim.

hm yeah ok maybe

purple was only a way for me to evilly unleash a (fake?real?)crumb so er

UNVOTE:

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did anyone spot it? anyone ):

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did anyone spot it? anyone ):

I didn't but I think it was clever

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I just have no idea what to make of it!

that’s ok! if it helps I’ve fakecrumbed and realcrumbed both of my last two games (both town). it’s too fun!

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I caught it

why push me on it then rawr

pedit: oh

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note to self to fakecrumb when I roll scum

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Just like I caught the sun in my hands the other day and won the lottery, equally likely stuff

Are you saying you don't believe it?

yeah it was actually a complete coincidence, it’s lucky the letters lined up!

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note to self to fakecrumb when I roll scum

Thanks for destroying your crumbs credibility in future games brother <3

oops
now when I don’t do it you’ll all be spooked out of your mindddd
maybe I should stop creating wifom for future me

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note to self to fakecrumb when I roll scum

Like you did this game?

green PM for me. who knows if the crumb was fake or real. night 1 reveals all

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Ketchup has scum thoughts in his head. This is his second mention of a scum game

it’s not me it’s the devil, I asked for scum and it wasn’t granted, oh what could have been! but what has not been

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I asked in my head, I did not ask dann*

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note to self to fakecrumb when I roll scum

Thanks for destroying your crumbs credibility in future games brother <3

oops
now when I don’t do it you’ll all be spooked out of your mindddd
maybe I should stop creating wifom for future me

But now you'll play with that in mind... 4D intergalactic mind chess

(;

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note to self to fakecrumb when I roll scum

Like you did this game?

green PM for me. who knows if the crumb was fake or real. night 1 reveals all

You have a weird death wish lol

kamikaze kamikaze

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I think I’m staying on ketchup, I’ll elaborate soon

oh god not this again

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Imagine the strats

you could type for ages as scum and everyone would think you were creating an amazing post then suddenly you disappear and come back 5 mins later complaining that your phone died but you’d get towncred for nothing maybe perhaps

This was the other, not sure what I’m making of it but it’s in my head

Fair enough tho, I like that you spotted this you’ve become even townier to me

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this is going to lay havoc to the 28 1v1s

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just kidding it hasn’t changed a thing probably

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1111 BLOOOPPPPPPP

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YESSS

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sorry

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hehehe
sometimes I post something not inane

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hehehe
sometimes I post something not inane

Prove it!

as an observant townie I have noticed that post 0 playerlist hasn’t been updated to put HEM replacing Dragon yet

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))):

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))):

Who’s scum?

hang on I’m making my 1v1s and I’ll report back
not u not me

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hehehe
sometimes I post something not inane

Prove it!

take 2:

I did these in order of playerlist; coloured in purplypink is who I scumread more out of each pair. where I thought a thoughtdump would be helpful I did that at the end.:::

Spoiler: 1v1ing everyone for my personal amusement but maybe it will also help me on who I want to vote out

KJQ/

Skitter

KJQ/

Ydrasse

KJQ/

zachheus

KJQ

/JacksonVirgo
KJQ/

humaneatingmonkey

KJQ/

Purplemango

KJQ/

StraightFlush

Skitter/

Ydrasse

Skitter/

zachheus

Skitter

/JacksonVirgo

Skitter

/humaneatingmonkey

Skitter

/Purplemango

Skitter

/StraightFlush

Ydrasse

/zachheus

Ydrasse

/JacksonVirgo
Ydrasse/

humaneatingmonkey

Ydrasse/

Purplemango

Ydrasse

/StraightFlush

zachheus

/JacksonVirgo
zachheus/

humaneatingmonkey

zachheus/

Purplemango

zachheus

/StraightFlush
JacksonVirgo/

humaneatingmonkey

JacksonVirgo/

Purplemango

JacksonVirgo/

StraightFlush

humaneatingmonkey/

Purplemango

humaneatingmonkey

/StraightFlush

Purplemango

/StraightFlush

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Notes:

—> I don’t think scum!jackson wouldn try to fade me day 1 or maybe ever so he just edged Kay out. because I’m town and scum!jackson would know that, and he’d know I’ll be very hard to fade based on our last two games. if I were scum I might be fadable, but scum!jackson knows that’s not the case.
—> Purplemango in purple is funny lol
—> still not sure what to make of Halfasleep self-voting twice in RvS. like scum may not want to make enemies but also I imagine they'd want to fuel wagons sooooo idk
—> Flush still feels pretty towny
—> HEM/purplemango is a tossup. one I should resolve yet I am struggling to. I did think I caught DE early but I’ve been wrong before and may well be wrong again.
—> reading skitter is tough. slight scumlean tho.
—> for zach‘s recent posts, 1081 felt genuine but 1090 felt like opportunistic scum. 1089 'playing twister' well scum twist peoples words so I scumlean that a bit lol
—> purplemango was last to the thread so there could be something in that, also has been intermittent could be playing from the sidelines kinda thing
(:

scumwins (/7):

Purplemango: 6
HEM: 5
Skitter: 5
Ydrasse: 5
zachheus: 4
StraightFlush: 2
KJQ: 1
Jackson: 0

wow, how convenient, I can hedge between 4 people! (I guess this reflects that I am not too confident in sorting my top scumreads yet so that makes sense to me)

VOTE: PurpleMango
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[ketchup777]

jumpscare!

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I'm not gonna hard tunnel Skitter, I wanna give her a chance, but I'm also not gonna forget my scumread on her slot.

I was going through the thread to look for posts for a thing and:

I think DE forgot his scumread on her slot lol

Spoiler: Dragon scumreading skitter posts

If nobody jumps on the half a skitter wagon, I may need to pretend I have a scumread on somebody else and start a new wagon. I'm giving it 12 hours tops before I change my vote I guess.

VOTE: DragonEater70

How dare you cast your dragon voodoo magic on us

More >.>

What is the meaning of this post?

Okay makes sense. Would you be willing to vote Skitter with me? And also can you explain the basis of your Ydra scumread?

Why are you asking? Just vote her

I'm already voting skitter my dude, and have been for a while

I am already voting skitter. I still have some hope someone is going to join me so I'm not voting elsewhere. That's all.

Hmm maybe the original reads on sleepy-slot weren’t crazy. It’s feeling like skitter is backing a town she thinks might be mislimmed because she knows he’s town. I just don’t see how she’s not seeing what we’re seeing and only seeing “town”. Which is not to say dragon can’t be town but to have no skepticism right now is odd.

I actually agree with you lol

I actually think the way skitter is treating me right now is almost perfectly a mirror of how I treated her in Fruit Mafia, where I was scum and basically pocketed her by hard defending her and saying "I find skitter towny I don't get why any of you are voting her she's so obviously town". So I could see her being scum and literally doing the same thing, especially cause her defense of me is kidna weak and unconvincing. Here's a link to Fruit Mafia for reference (specifically to when I started white knighting her): viewtopic.php?p=13876356#p13876356

It's like eerily similar IMO.

VOTE: skit

Sorry if you are the only town who's reading me correctly lol (also sorry straightflush for ignoring you but I'm feeling betrayed after you voted me)

To be clear I do think skitter's townread of me makes sense for town her to have, I just think that maybe she'd put more effort / be more earnest in defending me if she was town and really believed it

Spoiler: potentially questionable

Okay let me explain

I don't think skitter is town. I also don't think she's scum. I don't have a strong read either way (are you noticing a trend here????)

However I feel like not voting her and voting with her is useful for me in developing my reads. You could say I'm in self preservation mode and that won't even be incorrect, as I was literally at E-1 and I don't feel like getting limmed today when barely nothing has happened and I don't trust town to find scum tomorrow because I myself have 0 clue who scum are. But aside from being in self preservation mode I'm also in "I really want to do something other than vote people I don't feel strongly about" mode, and voting skitter is not gonna help with that while voting straightflush is.

KJQ, you say that but most of Dragon‘s posts seemed to suggest he had very much not forgotten his skitter scumread?

[ketchup777]

Spoiler: unbottled ketchup

hehehe
sometimes I post something not inane

Prove it!

take 2:

I did these in order of playerlist; coloured in purplypink is who I scumread more out of each pair. where I thought a thoughtdump would be helpful I did that at the end.:::

Spoiler: 1v1ing everyone for my personal amusement but maybe it will also help me on who I want to vote out

KJQ/

Skitter

KJQ/

Ydrasse

KJQ/

zachheus

KJQ

/JacksonVirgo
KJQ/

humaneatingmonkey

KJQ/

Purplemango

KJQ/

StraightFlush

Skitter/

Ydrasse

Skitter/

zachheus

Skitter

/JacksonVirgo

Skitter

/humaneatingmonkey

Skitter

/Purplemango

Skitter

/StraightFlush

Ydrasse

/zachheus

Ydrasse

/JacksonVirgo
Ydrasse/

humaneatingmonkey

Ydrasse/

Purplemango

Ydrasse

/StraightFlush

zachheus

/JacksonVirgo
zachheus/

humaneatingmonkey

zachheus/

Purplemango

zachheus

/StraightFlush
JacksonVirgo/

humaneatingmonkey

JacksonVirgo/

Purplemango

JacksonVirgo/

StraightFlush

humaneatingmonkey/

Purplemango

humaneatingmonkey

/StraightFlush

Purplemango

/StraightFlush

Notes:

—> I don’t think scum!jackson wouldn try to fade me day 1 or maybe ever so he just edged Kay out. because I’m town and scum!jackson would know that, and he’d know I’ll be very hard to fade based on our last two games. if I were scum I might be fadable, but scum!jackson knows that’s not the case.
—> Purplemango in purple is funny lol
—> still not sure what to make of Halfasleep self-voting twice in RvS. like scum may not want to make enemies but also I imagine they'd want to fuel wagons sooooo idk
—> Flush still feels pretty towny
—> HEM/purplemango is a tossup. one I should resolve yet I am struggling to. I did think I caught DE early but I’ve been wrong before and may well be wrong again.
—> reading skitter is tough. slight scumlean tho.
—> for zach‘s recent posts, 1081 felt genuine but 1090 felt like opportunistic scum. 1089 'playing twister' well scum twist peoples words so I scumlean that a bit lol
—> purplemango was last to the thread so there could be something in that, also has been intermittent could be playing from the sidelines kinda thing
(:

scumwins (/7):

Purplemango: 6
HEM: 5
Skitter: 5
Ydrasse: 5
zachheus: 4
StraightFlush: 2
KJQ: 1
Jackson: 0

wow, how convenient, I can hedge between 4 people! (I guess this reflects that I am not too confident in sorting my top scumreads yet so that makes sense to me)

VOTE: PurpleMango

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I disagree with Zach over Skitter.


How do you prefer to lim Ydra over Skitter, Skitter over HEM but then HEM over Ydra? Make it make sense.
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ooooh I was wondering if I would accidentally create a triangle that’s funny

it may seem like that can’t make sense but it’s just a combination of them being close together and being matched up on a non-linear scale. like 7>6>5 but fresh orange juice>kiwi>lasagne>fresh orange juice or something like that
Also I didn’t spend minutes over each one and just leant into vibes for some.

For Ydrasse vs Skitter, I think Ydrasse‘s minimal involvement in RvS was worse than halfasleep‘s double self-vote with the funny cross-eyed 'I hope this is who I meant to vote' post
For Skitter over HEM, this one a toughie. maybe this is the break in the triangle, I could switch this the other way tbh. ig dragon posting a lot felt like it could be frustrated townie whereas skitter‘s posts I am not sure how to read really yet
For HEM over Ydra, Dragon was actually posting scummily whereas Ydra was just not posting v much

I

think

you finding a triangle is towny, but you could be supersmart scum. that’s not a fun time tho so I’ll just assume you’re town until we get to ElO or something

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I'm not gonna hard tunnel Skitter, I wanna give her a chance, but I'm also not gonna forget my scumread on her slot.

I was going through the thread to look for posts for a thing and:

I think DE forgot his scumread on her slot lol

Spoiler: Dragon scumreading skitter posts

If nobody jumps on the half a skitter wagon, I may need to pretend I have a scumread on somebody else and start a new wagon. I'm giving it 12 hours tops before I change my vote I guess.

VOTE: DragonEater70

How dare you cast your dragon voodoo magic on us

More >.>

What is the meaning of this post?

Okay makes sense. Would you be willing to vote Skitter with me? And also can you explain the basis of your Ydra scumread?

Why are you asking? Just vote her

I'm already voting skitter my dude, and have been for a while

I am already voting skitter. I still have some hope someone is going to join me so I'm not voting elsewhere. That's all.

Hmm maybe the original reads on sleepy-slot weren’t crazy. It’s feeling like skitter is backing a town she thinks might be mislimmed because she knows he’s town. I just don’t see how she’s not seeing what we’re seeing and only seeing “town”. Which is not to say dragon can’t be town but to have no skepticism right now is odd.

I actually agree with you lol

I actually think the way skitter is treating me right now is almost perfectly a mirror of how I treated her in Fruit Mafia, where I was scum and basically pocketed her by hard defending her and saying "I find skitter towny I don't get why any of you are voting her she's so obviously town". So I could see her being scum and literally doing the same thing, especially cause her defense of me is kidna weak and unconvincing. Here's a link to Fruit Mafia for reference (specifically to when I started white knighting her): viewtopic.php?p=13876356#p13876356

It's like eerily similar IMO.

VOTE: skit

Sorry if you are the only town who's reading me correctly lol (also sorry straightflush for ignoring you but I'm feeling betrayed after you voted me)

To be clear I do think skitter's townread of me makes sense for town her to have, I just think that maybe she'd put more effort / be more earnest in defending me if she was town and really believed it

Spoiler: potentially questionable

Okay let me explain

I don't think skitter is town. I also don't think she's scum. I don't have a strong read either way (are you noticing a trend here????)

However I feel like not voting her and voting with her is useful for me in developing my reads. You could say I'm in self preservation mode and that won't even be incorrect, as I was literally at E-1 and I don't feel like getting limmed today when barely nothing has happened and I don't trust town to find scum tomorrow because I myself have 0 clue who scum are. But aside from being in self preservation mode I'm also in "I really want to do something other than vote people I don't feel strongly about" mode, and voting skitter is not gonna help with that while voting straightflush is.

KJQ, you say that but most of Dragon‘s posts seemed to suggest he had very much not forgotten his skitter scumread?

Jumping in the SF wagon rather than the Skitter wagon made no sense if he really felt this way about his reads.

as others have said, I think he was just in self-preservation mode

pedit: holdup I’ll read that

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yo I just thought imagine how cursed it would be if this was like whatsapp and you could see who was typing at any point

You can also see who saw what you wrote
Its so funny

omg yeah that would be nightmare

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I’m actually really annoyed if he meant all of those posts that he jumped on the SF wagon instead of skitter just because she was defending him. Scum knows who town is, and he knows that. I’m retroactively getting upset he did that now. I don’t get that move. He was scared of being limmed and decided to be the 3rd person on a wagon with his scumread instead of the 3rd person on the wagon trying to lim that scumread. It’s just ridiculous and imo couldn’t “develop” any reads, I don’t see how it would’ve. Either way with 2 other, new wagons, it means he was no longer in danger so to use that as an excuse is wild.

damn yeah I hadn’t appreciated the vote counts at the time Dragon voted flush (this is page 31 for context anyone reading this). Dragon voting Flush there does feel very ungenuine, good spot

VOTE: HEM

I’m backkkk

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Okay your formatting is screwing everything up lol

sorryyyy

[ketchup777]

Spoiler: unbottled ketchup

hehehe
sometimes I post something not inane

Prove it!

take 2:

I did these in order of playerlist; coloured in purplypink is who I scumread more out of each pair. where I thought a thoughtdump would be helpful I did that at the end.:::

Spoiler: 1v1ing everyone for my personal amusement but maybe it will also help me on who I want to vote out

KJQ/

Skitter

KJQ/

Ydrasse

KJQ/

zachheus

KJQ

/JacksonVirgo
KJQ/

humaneatingmonkey

KJQ/

Purplemango

KJQ/

StraightFlush

Skitter/

Ydrasse

Skitter/

zachheus

Skitter

/JacksonVirgo

Skitter

/humaneatingmonkey

Skitter

/Purplemango

Skitter

/StraightFlush

Ydrasse

/zachheus

Ydrasse

/JacksonVirgo
Ydrasse/

humaneatingmonkey

Ydrasse/

Purplemango

Ydrasse

/StraightFlush

zachheus

/JacksonVirgo
zachheus/

humaneatingmonkey

zachheus/

Purplemango

zachheus

/StraightFlush
JacksonVirgo/

humaneatingmonkey

JacksonVirgo/

Purplemango

JacksonVirgo/

StraightFlush

humaneatingmonkey/

Purplemango

humaneatingmonkey

/StraightFlush

Purplemango

/StraightFlush

Notes:

—> I don’t think scum!jackson wouldn try to fade me day 1 or maybe ever so he just edged Kay out. because I’m town and scum!jackson would know that, and he’d know I’ll be very hard to fade based on our last two games. if I were scum I might be fadable, but scum!jackson knows that’s not the case.
—> Purplemango in purple is funny lol
—> still not sure what to make of Halfasleep self-voting twice in RvS. like scum may not want to make enemies but also I imagine they'd want to fuel wagons sooooo idk
—> Flush still feels pretty towny
—> HEM/purplemango is a tossup. one I should resolve yet I am struggling to. I did think I caught DE early but I’ve been wrong before and may well be wrong again.
—> reading skitter is tough. slight scumlean tho.
—> for zach‘s recent posts, 1081 felt genuine but 1090 felt like opportunistic scum. 1089 'playing twister' well scum twist peoples words so I scumlean that a bit lol
—> purplemango was last to the thread so there could be something in that, also has been intermittent could be playing from the sidelines kinda thing
(:

scumwins (/7):

Purplemango: 6
HEM: 5
Skitter: 5
Ydrasse: 5
zachheus: 4
StraightFlush: 2
KJQ: 1
Jackson: 0

wow, how convenient, I can hedge between 4 people! (I guess this reflects that I am not too confident in sorting my top scumreads yet so that makes sense to me)

VOTE: PurpleMango

[/spoiler]

I disagree with Zach over Skitter.


How do you prefer to lim Ydra over Skitter, Skitter over HEM but then HEM over Ydra? Make it make sense.

ooooh I was wondering if I would accidentally create a triangle that’s funny

it may seem like that can’t make sense but it’s just a combination of them being close together and being matched up on a non-linear scale. like 7>6>5 but fresh orange juice>kiwi>lasagne>fresh orange juice or something like that
Also I didn’t spend minutes over each one and just leant into vibes for some.

For Ydrasse vs Skitter, I think Ydrasse‘s minimal involvement in RvS was worse than halfasleep‘s double self-vote with the funny cross-eyed 'I hope this is who I meant to vote' post
For Skitter over HEM, this one a toughie. maybe this is the break in the triangle, I could switch this the other way tbh. ig dragon posting a lot felt like it could be frustrated townie whereas skitter‘s posts I am not sure how to read really yet
For HEM over Ydra, Dragon was actually posting scummily whereas Ydra was just not posting v much

I

think

you finding a triangle is towny, but you could be supersmart scum. that’s not a fun time tho so I’ll just assume you’re town until we get to ElO or something
[/quote]
I wouldn’t have noticed it if those 3 weren’t in my bottom reads with purple. I scrutinized it more because of that and might’ve overlooked other triangles.
[/quote]

we have the same bottom 4 then! that’s good

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broooo the formatting is high on cocaine except the cocaine was mixed with a martini and inhaled whilst handstanding on a ticket barrier wearing dungarees

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also what how do you have post 1147 yet when you quoted me mine said 1147

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this is so funny

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my theory is it’s cos dannflor deleted a post

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dam my phone just jumped forward an hour and scared me

[ketchup777]

i guess clocks are changing

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I agree with all of that coolcool

[ketchup777]

Okay, so what's the theory? That SF is town, and so there's one scum in our set?

the way the wagon got together was sus as as far as I can recall noone have any good reasoning and yeah flush feels town, as the non-wagoners mostly/all seem to agree

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can someone actually explain why not posting in rvs is wolfy again

idk sit back and observe the others rather than having nothing to worry about people overanalysing and diving straight in feels more like scummy

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Notes:

—> I don’t think scum!jackson wouldn try to fade me day 1 or maybe ever so he just edged Kay out. because I’m town and scum!jackson would know that, and he’d know I’ll be very hard to fade based on our last two games. if I were scum I might be fadable, but scum!jackson knows that’s not the case.
—> Purplemango in purple is funny lol
—> still not sure what to make of Halfasleep self-voting twice in RvS. like scum may not want to make enemies but also I imagine they'd want to fuel wagons sooooo idk
—> Flush still feels pretty towny
—> HEM/purplemango is a tossup. one I should resolve yet I am struggling to. I did think I caught DE early but I’ve been wrong before and may well be wrong again.
—> reading skitter is tough. slight scumlean tho.
—> for zach‘s recent posts, 1081 felt genuine but 1090 felt like opportunistic scum. 1089 'playing twister' well scum twist peoples words so I scumlean that a bit lol
—> purplemango was last to the thread so there could be something in that, also has been intermittent could be playing from the sidelines kinda thing
(:

bump; these notes are interactable with

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but not now, goodnight

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can someone actually explain why not posting in rvs is wolfy again

idk sit back and observe the others rather than having nothing to worry about people overanalysing and diving straight in feels more like scummy

isn't the absence of participation more conspicuous - i did post but i didn't even bother to vote. isn't that more likely to be scrutinized than just blending in
doubly so for a group of people who (experience assumed) are going to be going for, i guess, more 'obvious' wolfy behavior

beyond that, for me in particular i rarely engage much in rvs it's boring to me

i don’t think there’s much use theorising about it in a general case, just going off what I’ve seen here so far

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Lots of vote rotations overnight (Ydrasse then HEM then Zach). increasingly sus of each one.

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VOTE: purplemango i realized im not voting them

I don’t believe this post one bit. There was talk in the thread about how the flush wagon looked bad, and dann had posted multiple VCs. To me it looked like HEM only reluctantly moved off once the flush wagon began to crumble (Ydrasae moved off)

VOTE: humaneatingmonkey

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UNVOTE:

No reason to keep this on KJQ I think

there’s not really any danger of a wagon on her but ok. will you be voting anyone else anytime soon?

[ketchup777]

noone have any good reasoning

okay, so kjq you and jackson have been parrotting a "something" that no one has any good reasoning for?

isn’t that how religion works

[ketchup777]

it makes me suspicious how this idea that no one has articulated, and no one has any good reasoning for, has been a ghost that multiple people have parrotted for multiple pages now.

that’s just not really true tho, we‘ve given lots of reasons against you

[ketchup777]

cool theory bro. but it's wrong. i just got bored waiting for dann's vc that i had to do it myself.

Dann posted 925 and 950 after you joined, or you could have looked at the VC before that. You

would

have looked at the VC before that. no shot you didn’t

[ketchup777]

that’s just not really true tho, we‘ve given lots of reasons against you

okay, list the reasons.

if you’re desperate you can go back through my ISO if not I’ll try gather some points against dragon later

[ketchup777]

and what if i did

did you?

[ketchup777]

who am I parroting, i was as far as i know the first person to start the dragon tirade

[ketchup777]

brb

[ketchup777]

and what if i did

did you?

i meant i didn't. sorry. I'll rephrase.

how would you handle the possibility that i didn't pay attention to the VCs or where my vote was until Dann added a "VC" post and then didn't update it to have the VCs?

I still don’t believe you, i think seeing that just gave you an idea about how you could 'safely' rotate onto Purple. Dannflor has been mercilessly sniping pagetops all week and it would be ridiculous not to look where your slots vote was- you could be putting someone to E-1!

[ketchup777]

it makes me suspicious how this idea that no one has articulated, and no one has any good reasoning for, has been a ghost that multiple people have parrotted for multiple pages now.

I feel it’s been articulated a few times but the overall feeling comes from pages 31-33 I believe. But pages 28 and 30 have stuff on dragon specifically that was just…off.

yeah, but even before that Dragon felt off to me

[ketchup777]

The mango has returned!

Drop some reads!

HEM (?) Probably town, mostly based on dragons gameplay, but them as town (HEM) make sense too

I don't really get the skitter thing, but agree to vote them
Will appreciate if someone who do scumread Skitter to explain that

Jackson more town then scum in my mind, so does kay
But in more of a "i wouldn't vote for you rn" way

Zach town, probsbly
It does seem like he's trying to advance the game, somehow
and give things when he has the opportunity for it

I have no idea about striaghtflush
I'll try to reread thing in a more serious way

reads on me or ydrasse?

I kinda forgot you, and don't have specific thing on ydrasse
I counted SF because i did had read on him earlier

this is also a bit weird because in the least arrogant way possible I feel itd be hard to forget me

[ketchup777]

VOTE: purplemango i realized im not voting them

Could you give me your reasons?

i want to vote you

Yea but like
Why?
Because all i see was the thing about dragon, and if i remember right i answered it

i was not assured by your answer

Make sense, thank you

feels like scum theater
HEM/purple wrap it up

[ketchup777]

it makes me suspicious how this idea that no one has articulated, and no one has any good reasoning for, has been a ghost that multiple people have parrotted for multiple pages now.

I feel it’s been articulated a few times but the overall feeling comes from pages 31-33 I believe. But pages 28 and 30 have stuff on dragon specifically that was just…off.

yeah, but even before that Dragon felt off to me

Well, yes he was being odd but I could’ve dismissed the earlier weirdness but once these pages happened, I couldn’t ignore it.

yeah sure

[ketchup777]

if everyone in WW2 suddenly dropped their guns and picked up an Easter egg does that make them innocent?

translation: we can’t ignore the damage Dragon has done to your slot

[ketchup777]

are we all talking about the same stuff? I'm talking about how there's talk of a theme that connects ydrasse, skitter, and i. it's been repeatedly talked about yet all three that i've spoken to about it had very shoddy reasons about it. it would even be helpful for me if you guys can point out a theme because then it will help me read ydrasse and skitter better. but until you guys can articulate that intuition, then i want you to shut it down because you're beginning to lay ideas on top of it as if it's something substantial that helps read the game. it doesn't. and if you want to prove me wrong, let's talk about that.

if we're talking about Dragon stuff, then that's a different topic. I'm sorry I can't illuminate further where my predecessor's head was at. Frankly i have my own appraisal but it's really poor taste to be assuming where his head was at because I'm not him. It's gonna annoy me a little that my performance is a little overlooked in favor of my predecessor's, but i can live with that.

Jackson was the one talking about that so I’ll direct you to him. I’m voting you on my own basis

[ketchup777]

how do i like peoples posts

[ketchup777]

KJQ is taking everything i want to say and saying it better

[ketchup777]

I think straight's response to the wagon on him is +town

elaborate?

[ketchup777]

I think he would have more of a reaction to getting wagoned if he were scum

yeah I thought that at first too but equally he could just be mystified as to why he’s being wagoned. I agree i think he leans town tho

[ketchup777]

when I’m on 3 votes I start getting defensive before that I’m not too bothered

[ketchup777]

1234

[ketchup777]

I’m telling ketchup what play I’m referring to I don’t care if y’all have no idea

yaya ik what you mean (:

[ketchup777]

new strat if I smiley face every post no one will scumread me right? (:

[ketchup777]

new strat if I smiley face every post no one will scumread me right? (:

Sus

):

[ketchup777]

UNVOTE:

No reason to keep this on KJQ I think

there’s not really any danger of a wagon on her but ok. will you be voting anyone else anytime soon?

Sure

VOTE: Skitter30

hmm okok

[ketchup777]

can you offer some thoughts on HEM and dragon zach?

[ketchup777]

i've seen slugs move faster than this game thread

[ketchup777]

i've seen slugs move faster than this game thread

We need to figure out who we’re voting. I want someone within {purple, skitter, ydra, hem}

Jackson thinks your scum, how do we resolve that? Skitter is voting Jackson, but I don’t see that happening.

i am happy with this four as well, leaning to saving ydrasse and picking someone in the other three.

hopefully in time jackson sees the light, last game we played together he also TvT voted me for a fair bit day 1 then didn't on future days (partly because most of them he was dead but still)

[ketchup777]

i still think jackson very town just misguided (on me)

[ketchup777]

it's not gonna be helped by both of you spamming the thread and leaving a heap of homework for people who aren't able to be present at every moment. let people react. we need to hear from everyone.

it shouldn't feel like homework...

[ketchup777]

i still think jackson very town just misguided (on me)

Why am I town?

you feel fairly similar to our last two games, and I don't think scum!you tries to get me faded (because you've seen it will be a lot of work to get me out)

[ketchup777]

Every single experienced player here seems to have a stick up their ass

except u!

[ketchup777]

also yeah you being willing to live interact with people rather than dip and take forever feels like honest town

[ketchup777]

i'm probably going to put more effort into finding stuff to back myself up day 2 onwards if i'm alive. for now just going for what feels right in the moment

[ketchup777]

also yeah you being willing to live interact with people rather than dip and take forever feels like honest town

Me? I’ve dipped for a pretty extended period of time incredibly recently. Actively avoiding responding to skitter and HEM right away (cuz it was frustrating) I don’t see how this applies to me

you have, but you were also posting fast and often before that. some people (e.g. purplemango) have done little or no liveposing at all.

[ketchup777]

i still think jackson very town just misguided (on me)

Why am I town?

you feel fairly similar to our last two games, and I don't think scum!you tries to get me faded (because you've seen it will be a lot of work to get me out)

Elaborate on the meta-read if you can

idk its vibes and your voting me, i cant explain it well rn soz

[ketchup777]

i still think jackson very town just misguided (on me)

Why am I town?

you feel fairly similar to our last two games, and I don't think scum!you tries to get me faded (because you've seen it will be a lot of work to get me out)

Elaborate on the meta-read if you can

idk its vibes and your voting me, i cant explain it well rn soz

I need you to think about it, what similarities are you seeing

you pushing things, getting into conversations with people, posting a lot. A distinctive lack of (indeed, no) animated gifs which is alarming but I don’t know if that’s AI. I don’t know, I could be wrong, it’s just instincts. I need to see flip(s) before I can be confident I’m on the right track tho. But yeah just the fact that you have interacted so much with me, KJQ and others, feel scum!you might be scared we will spot you’re acting differently or something.

[ketchup777]

also yeah you being willing to live interact with people rather than dip and take forever feels like honest town

Me? I’ve dipped for a pretty extended period of time incredibly recently. Actively avoiding responding to skitter and HEM right away (cuz it was frustrating) I don’t see how this applies to me

you have, but you were also posting fast and often before that. some people (e.g. purplemango) have done little or no liveposing at all.

I do livepost sometimes, my problem is that my time zone is very different and i can't play in a good way at like 3am and also take time so alot of the time i just leave it and comeback later
I'll try to post more tho

sure that’s fair. yeah I’d love to hear more from you if possible! but don’t burn yourself out

[ketchup777]

So the theory that they’re likely wolf with skitter (if they’re wolf at all) holds some weight as it could justify that behaviour somewhat

maybe.

I feel scum!purplemango would be more self-conscious and post more. But idk

[ketchup777]

So the theory that they’re likely wolf with skitter (if they’re wolf at all) holds some weight as it could justify that behaviour somewhat

maybe.

I feel scum!purplemango would be more self-conscious and post more. But idk

Did you look at his past games? He was endgame mafia in a mini with 5 days/nights and 165 pages of posts and his ISO was only 100 posts total.

no I didn’t; ok, interesting

how has there been only 1 post I’ve been gone all day

[ketchup777]

my review of KJQ's case is that i townread it very much so, especially in the circumstance that she did it in the game, but also... and i don't want to discourage it... but it seems very confbiased to purple as scum and less evaluative on what town!purple would look like.

That’s probably extremely accurate, I’d have to look into his old games to get a better read on him as town.

from 1304 it seemed you had done that?

[ketchup777]

Spoiler: stuff

jackson can you like give me an insight into where your head is at this game

A lot of this game has been pretty stunted for me because of the weird stick up the ass behaviour from the experienced players and the amount of fluff-posting from the top three players, myself included, so the people who post a small amount I don’t have a strong read about which I’ll try and rectify.

Where I’m at is that I’m fairly skeptical about ketchup in particular, there’s a few things about them that I actively believe is scummy and then some that I feel would be weird to but knowing how ketchup plays and that I don’t have a reference to a scum game of his so I’m actively doing my best to be impartial and see him for what he is this time around.

I think purple was townie based on the fact that their behaviour was almost twtbw status. I didn’t expect a wolf to be outwardly okay with voting somebody with no reason. I feel a scum instinctively wants to add some form of reasoning behind their actions. There wasn’t really any, the only semblance of doubt there would be a direct pairing with skitter.

In retrospect I’m thinking dragons posts looked bad because of how dragon speaks in particular more than anything to do with the game. You came in and I feel a conflict with you but this feeing resembles the Frenemies game so I’m discounting that feeling somewhat and trying to look further than it. I think your talk about thread health was good, I could understand why a townie would want to restore it but also I’m labelling this as NAI as you could also have just said this out of respect for the game itself snd the newer players. Initially I thought it was scummy how you had few reads, but kept complaining about things and in fact I got a little frustrated you telling me Im not scum hunting while you’ve shared fuck all yourself of actual substance. Overall I think I’m reading you as scummy just because it’s you, and that’s stupid so in an attempt to look beyond that I think you’re town but I am still working through this. When I find time to actually sink into putting a lot more thought I will be coming back to this.

For skitter I don’t like how neutral they’ve been acting since day start. They’ve started the game townreading dragon, I don’t recall a single time they explained this except “pushing out of rvs is good, *thumbs up*” and the behaviours around early pushes were wither reciprocations or shutting down an idea. I don’t recall a single unique thought they had about a scumread except the read on me and even then it was vague and ended up seeming like just because they don’t understand my mindset that I’m wolfy, this is just incredibly shallow reasoning as the only push they’ve seemed to do on their own and now recently they’ve even acted neutral towards that calling that same reason to scumread me as logic to neutral read me almost. It’s different words but it’s looking at the same stuff.

townpost

[ketchup777]

my review of KJQ's case is that i townread it very much so, especially in the circumstance that she did it in the game, but also... and i don't want to discourage it... but it seems very confbiased to purple as scum and less evaluative on what town!purple would look like.

That’s probably extremely accurate, I’d have to look into his old games to get a better read on him as town.

from 1304 it seemed you had done that?

As was pointed out by hem, I was biased and looked at a scum game particularly for post count comparisons. I was just in a game with him where I looked into a town game he had but it barely gave me any information.

okey

[ketchup777]

i don't feel as if i've been stuck up, nor do i think ydrasse has been stuck up. anybody really feel this way about us?

yeah i laughed when i left skitter out of there, too.

left skitter out of where?

[ketchup777]

nvm I understand

[ketchup777]

hemmington this is not worth it imo

who’s hemmington

[ketchup777]

i'm disputing that you could be strategic in any way

Quote of the game

LMAOOO

[ketchup777]

KayJayQueue: Scummier the more I look at her. Zigzags in and out of fluff mode like an Olympic skiier on the slalom.

And this too hehe

[ketchup777]

KayJayQueue: Scummier the more I look at her. Zigzags in and out of fluff mode like an Olympic skiier on the slalom.

Don’t hate me because I’m flexible! Being serious 24/7 would be an incredibly dull way to play, for me personally.

I see players like that all the time, and I don't hold it against them; hell, I'm often one of them as you've probably seen. But I feel like you amp that up an extra notch by comparison

oh, how much experience do you have?

[ketchup777]

KayJayQueue: Scummier the more I look at her. Zigzags in and out of fluff mode like an Olympic skiier on the slalom.

Don’t hate me because I’m flexible! Being serious 24/7 would be an incredibly dull way to play, for me personally.

I see players like that all the time, and I don't hold it against them; hell, I'm often one of them as you've probably seen. But I feel like you amp that up an extra notch by comparison

oh, how much experience do you have?

A whopping 4 completed games. Impressive amirite

hehe, more than me. The 'all the time' and 'often' of the post I quoted struck me as it sounded like you had more experience than that tho?

[ketchup777]

my lim pool is {JacksonVirgo, Purplemango, zachheus}

not Ydrasse?

[ketchup777]

snip

hehe, more than me. The 'all the time' and 'often' of the post I quoted struck me as it sounded like you had more experience than that tho?

That comes from my mastery of a secret ancient technique known as “overconfidence”. Some might also call it “talking out of one’s ass”

right (:

random q does your username have any context? like why specifically a straight flush? I love card games so was wondering

[ketchup777]

VOTE: skitter30

[ketchup777]

VOTE: skitter30

i think I want one of {skitter,ydrasse} right now. hem and mango will leak themselves at some point if they’re scum

[ketchup777]

snip

hehe, more than me. The 'all the time' and 'often' of the post I quoted struck me as it sounded like you had more experience than that tho?

That comes from my mastery of a secret ancient technique known as “overconfidence”. Some might also call it “talking out of one’s ass”

right (:

random q does your username have any context? like why specifically a straight flush? I love card games so was wondering

I think it sounds cool, I also like poker, and it has a vague connection to my homesite name if you squint

funfun. idk which site you’re referencing but yaaaa good convo now nobody will think we‘re distancing scum woooo

[ketchup777]

No shot dragon just softclaimed in early D1 with no prompt, please say sike. That's so dumb

1. Where did he softclaim
2. If you think this, why would you call that out?

The dichotomy in this post is craaaaazy. If Skitter was genuinely worried about leaning a soft then asking 'Where did he softclaim?' Is onyl going to make it even more obvious.

[ketchup777]

leaking*

[ketchup777]

Searching for a replacement for skitter30.

seriously? urgh

[ketchup777]

loving the VC flavours though dann!

[ketchup777]

VC 1.14

Mafia Discussion is a sub-forum where people can discuss all aspects of Mafia, from town play, to scum play, to jester play. Over the years, there have been a number of discussions, guides, and yes, even arguments over the various facets of Mafia play. Turns out, everyone approaches the game a little differently.

Purplemango [3]:

humaneatingmonkey, Ydrasse, skitter30

skitter30 [3]:

KayJayQueue, zachheus, ketchup777

ketchup777 [1]:

JacksonVirgo

KayJayQueue [1]:

StraightFlush

Not Voting [1]:

Purplemango

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-04-07 17:08:16).

Mod Notes:

one wagon is inhabited by townies and one by sus players. who wants to work out which is which?

[ketchup777]

@jackson come back to the light side

[ketchup777]

oops i missed 2000 post milestone

[ketchup777]

having seen that HA/purplemango were scum in a different open, if that is the team here that will be very funny

[ketchup777]

I would move my vote but it’d be to skitter and I’d rather just wait for the replacement before putting them at E-1

sure ok

[ketchup777]

ooh spicy

[ketchup777]

how long ago did you start townreading me again

[ketchup777]

oh you mean mango is your townread? nvm

[ketchup777]

Hey remember when purple said he’d vote skitter? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

i can also see flush hammering as he conveniently put skitter as second highest scumread
debating unvoting but i think taking skitter out is for the best

[ketchup777]

if skitter is hammered rn as town that itself will be revealing tho

[ketchup777]

who dares to reveal themselves?

[ketchup777]

and what happens if it reveals a power role

what happens if it reveals a mafia power role tho ooooo

[ketchup777]

I guess you’re right about the claim though

[ketchup777]

oh hey that actually got through the site going down

phew I thought I’d hit some malware or something

[ketchup777]

UNVOTE:

but want replacement to claim

[ketchup777]

i made it here before purple phew

[ketchup777]

No it was as scum
I love hammer people, but its useless

how is it useless?

[ketchup777]

Just to be clear because I don’t need that taken out of context, I’m not advocating for lolhammers. At all.

Instructions unclear, lolhammering at the earliest possible opportunity

you missed your chance!

[ketchup777]

anyone know how to display the seconds of when a post was posted? ik it’s possible

[ketchup777]

for context i unvoted purple because the comment about it being funny to hammer made me smile and spoke to my heart

oh? i thought it was because you were afraid repin speedwagons purple

[ketchup777]

anyone know how to display the seconds of when a post was posted? ik it’s possible

User Control Panel > Board Preferences > My Date Format: > Change to "Custom" > Input: "D M d, Y g:i:s a" without the quotes > Submit

thank you so much!

[ketchup777]

for context i unvoted purple because the comment about it being funny to hammer made me smile and spoke to my heart

ok, no ydrasse bust today, i wanted to check if this was a lie but she had 4- seconds to unvote so could be true

[ketchup777]

that post was a reply to the former but it can be applied to both tbh

oops mine was meant to say 40, not 4-

[ketchup777]

hiya camel

I recognise your name from somewhere but whereeee

[ketchup777]

ohh GIM

[ketchup777]

VOTE: camelCasedSnivy

hi you are at e-1

[ketchup777]

town
{ketchup} 1000
{kjq} 976
{jackson, straightflush} 787
{ydrasse, zach, mango} 514
{hem} 342
{camel} 112
scum

[ketchup777]

What do the numbers meannnn

wouldn’t you like to knowwww

[ketchup777]

answering that question would require me to, in fact, know what the numbers mean.

[ketchup777]

no comment

[ketchup777]

honestly I made the bracketed list first then gave people scores out of 1000 for towniness where 500= null based on my feelings.

but I just thought rn woah imagine how sick it would be starting everyone at 500 (except me) and assigning them points or taking away points for each of their posts to see where they fall

maybe maybe

[ketchup777]

town
{ketchup} 1000
{kjq} 976
{jackson, straightflush} 787
{ydrasse, zach, mango} 514
{hem} 342
{camel} 112
scum

Ketchup making an ELO system for alignment

+27 for not hammering at the second opportunity

[ketchup777]

What do the numbers meannnn

+3 for innate curiosity seeming towny

[ketchup777]

What do the numbers meannnn

wouldn’t you like to knowwww

+1 this guy is town. Overflow error. error. maximum capacity has broken. initiate operation negative

{KJQ} 979
{Flush} 814
{Jackson} 787
{Ydrasse,Zach,Mango} 514
{hem} 342
{camel} 112
{Ketchup} -1

[ketchup777]

VOTE: Ketchup777

[ketchup777]

Welp. He’s officially lost it.

this implies I was sane at some point, honoured

[ketchup777]

I don’t think they’ll be very motivated to claim when they’re not actually at E-1 btw

i want them to be at e-1 but I also don’t want someone to hammer i think

[ketchup777]

Yeah it’s kind of a bad time for a joke vote ketchup

you’re free to put them at e-1 yourself

[ketchup777]

Yeah it’s kind of a bad time for a joke vote ketchup

you’re free to put them at e-1 yourself

And give you, the self-admitted insane one, hammer authority? That makes me nervous

I won’t hammer I promise

but also I don’t see the point really of putting them to e-1. if they refuse to claim when they get here then we can put them to e-1

[ketchup777]

They can’t post yet, they’re working out a plan in their mafia chat.

yeah I do have some fears about this

[ketchup777]

but not enough to e-1 at this present moment

[ketchup777]

if only for the claim will generate some info, just hopefully more for us than the scum

[ketchup777]

lol

[ketchup777]

someone forget to renew the site license or something?

[ketchup777]

he could just be tired

[ketchup777]

So is everyone satisfied by the VT claim we all knew was coming?

it certainly simplifies matters somewhat

[ketchup777]

im eagerly awaiting camel's jackson case which will be helpful regardless of camel's alignment, probably

[ketchup777]

VOTE: Camelcasedsnivy

if jackson won't do it i will!

[ketchup777]

Mango are you going to vote?

[ketchup777]

Is this for towncred? I feel like the only reason to do this is if you have TMI and are trying to give yourself a good defense on day 2.

His rep in content still has you confident he’s town? Or do you just want an “I told you so” moment. Or is this an attempt to counter wagon one last time to save him..I guess I’ll know when I see Ydra vote Jackson too.

This dynamic is so confusing to me.

mmm yeah it does feel strange

[ketchup777]

if you think skitter/snivy is scum, then why are you saying that I'm TMI'd that he'll flip town? if you think he's town, just don't vote him lmao

I’m saying I think he’s scum but you seem certain he isn’t and it feels a bit TMI-y.

it could be a triple bluff if they’re both scum and then hem wants to subvert our expectations by joining them in VCA and being like well scum wouldn’t do that that’s too obviosu

[ketchup777]

alright so it seems people are waiting on me to claim which would be VT

from reading half of the game JV is pinging me scum the most but ill defer my explanation for tommorow

UNVOTE: Purplemango

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

good night, will be back in the morning

How did you find out we were waiting on you to claim if you only read half the game?

[ketchup777]

if you think skitter/snivy is scum, then why are you saying that I'm TMI'd that he'll flip town? if you think he's town, just don't vote him lmao

I’m saying I think he’s scum but you seem certain he isn’t and it feels a bit TMI-y.

it could be a triple bluff if they’re both scum and then hem wants to subvert our expectations by joining them in VCA and being like well scum wouldn’t do that that’s too obviosu

I thought that but figured it was too tinfoil-y

hopefully hopefully

[ketchup777]

I cant pivot to flush no way

[ketchup777]

maybe it’s Jackson/camel

[ketchup777]

There’s no way you believe that

I don’t know anymore

[ketchup777]

all I know is I want camel slot flipped

[ketchup777]

If we bring another slot to E-1, we are weakening our power roles. If they claim PR, our night actions are in shambles. If they claim VT, the maf have more chance of hitting/blocking/rolecopping/whatevering our PRs. We‘ve brought Camel to a claim, and I would like it if we did not bring anyone else to a claim.

I don’t like Jackson‘s recent behaviour, but I still have him as town. However, worries are now forming. But I don’t want to pressure Jackson, or anyone. I still want camel limmed. You can all say you think his entrance is towny, but then if it’s so convincingly towny maybe that itself raises doubt and suggests it’s scummy just subverting normal playstyle expectations?

[ketchup777]

It’s hard to talk about this without spewing our PRs, so be careful when replying to me. but that’s why I think we should go through with camelwagon. Which seemed to be the plan until Jackson pivoted off and onto Flush for imo a poor reason. Flush just seemed to be saying something for the sake of saying something and getting the thread moving, not inherently scummy at all.

[ketchup777]

Zack wants more time, that’s fair.
Ydrasse probably won’t vote there but we got them to claim so hopefully you’re happy
Purplemango is a mysterious deity and I have no idea what is going through their head so probably can’t expect a vote there
hem will not vote there

To push through this wagon it has to be us 5: flush, kjq, jackson, ketchup, zach. i think we have the firepower. and this is such a based wagon. seriously, the difference between us potential wagoners and the offwagoners is startling to me. the resistance to this wagon could indicate camel is scum, and like, we have to take someone out, if camel is scum we are so chilling, if camel is VT we only have 2/8 chance of hitting someone else scum, and 1/8 or 2/8 chance of exposing or wagoning off a PR, and 4/8 or 5/8 of taking out another VT which is in theory equivalent but also exposes an extra non-PR to the maf. so we have:

camel scum:

winning on this wagon

camel town but we decide to pivot:

2/8 of hitting scum (good but doubts about camel slot will still reside and we may end up having to lim camel at some point anyway…) also in the process of limming a scum we may leak information and leak our PRs.
4/8 or 5/8 of pivoting onto another VT. Expose another non-PR to the maf and may end up limming camel anyway on another day, not a good exchange
1/8 or 2/8 of ruining one of our PRs.

lets take out camel

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zach with an h, oops*

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I feel bad if camel has read through the game because that takes time and stuff but like… I don’t want to let my sadness and empathy get in the way of what I feel must be the correct vote

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Just cuz the majority want it doesn’t mean it’s correct

well yeah
but it might be

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you should focus on getting a read on the mysterious deity instead of being hammer-happy

I’m finding it hard to get a read on the mysterious deity when they have fewer posts than dannflor

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ok no he outdoes him by 2 rn nvm

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but my point stands

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To push through this wagon it has to be us 5: flush, kjq, jackson, ketchup, zach. i think we have the firepower. and this is such a based wagon. seriously, the difference between us potential wagoners and the offwagoners is startling to me.

I thought you had me in the same tier as Ydrasse and mango? Can I ask what changed? Or am I just the least based of the based...

Sure yeah you might be the least based of the based (townwise you’re based in general fear not!) , but I’ve gotten lots of townvibes from you, just also some scumvibes. So you are kinda midtier because the conflicting vibes keep cancelling each other out whereas mango and ydrasse I am just struggling to read in general, which considering purple is my favourite colour is alarming but anywayyyy

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it's 2/8 scum, but it's also 6/8 town btw

i think if we can't get a read on him through posts, then it's better we flip him. either way, i think it's probable he's scum

Mango?

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you 3 also form the lowposting cult (no hating, just stating) which could be part of it

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it's 2/8 scum, but it's also 6/8 town btw

i think if we can't get a read on him through posts, then it's better we flip him. either way, i think it's probable he's scum

as i said at the end of 1660, if camel is town, pivoting to another townie is in fact worse than if we had stayed, despite seeming like they would be the same

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what we‘re trying to hit by switching is 6/8 (camel town) x 2/8 (we successfully pivot to scum) which is 3/16. chance camel is scum is 2/16. Chance we pivot from S to S is 1/28. Chance that we pivot from town to town, exposing our PRs and helping scum is about 10.5/16 I think. Pivoting gains less than 20% of the time. Pivoting loses about 75% of the time. Why pivot

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it really isn't. a townread over getting a slot to claim when it yields low info/probably scum is better for game in the long run.

If Mango is a PR, if we can avoid Mango claiming they will be able to stay alive for a while if they can avoid being limmed. If Mango is VT, it’s not like them claiming this magically helps us to decide which of Mango or Camel (if either) is scum

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what we‘re trying to hit by switching is 6/8 (camel town) x 2/8 (we successfully pivot to scum) which is 3/16. chance camel is scum is 2/16. Chance we pivot from S to S is 1/28. Chance that we pivot from town to town, exposing our PRs and helping scum is about 10.5/16 I think. Pivoting gains less than 20% of the time. Pivoting loses about 75% of the time. Why pivot

I know getting too mathsy is a dangerous game, but sometimes it can be helpful

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Is exposing our PRs not a valid concern? We don’t have much time left in the day and I doubt anyone is going to be able to super confidently vote anyone

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The PRs staying alive helps us towards slaying the wolves

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My concern is with us not flipping a wolf

that concern will be there no matter who you vote for tho bestie

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this is true

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but I think camel is a wolf

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so did you, at one point

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did you not?

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In fact moreso, as it directly increases the time we have until endgame and it exponentially increases the chances at finding the other wolf due to the huge spike of new information

wow insightful

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did you not?

What does it matter what my reads were?

well you’ve pivoted onto Flush so clearly you think they’re wolfing. but why not camel? why go on a solo pursuit of a wagon that has already happened a week ago and wasn’t pushed through and likely won’t be pushed through again?

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I’m done, y’all are tunnelled I couldn’t care less anymore

do you want to explain your Flush read

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Page 69 sniiiiiipe

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aah

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information farming in the early pages is better than trying to minimize risk from not flipping PR

explain why?

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surely we get enough info when we get to massclsiming