Mini 2136 | City That Never Sleeps [Game over!]

[Titus]

Great, if you stick to that list, we lose.

We lost on acryon.

We need to lynch in my pool. I don't know how much clearer I can make it. We have one mislynch remaining. Most likely it's blown on Skitter or me. The other is forced (due to optimal lylo play) to place our vote first. This puts the burden on us when you haven't been listening in the first place.

Half of you are lurking in shame. That's not the response. The response is to refuckingset and try listening.

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

Of course I'll listen. I can't guarantee that I'll change my mind.

You want to restate the crux of your arguments so that I don't have to go dig for them?

-Smart

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

I think you might want to reset on skitter as well, though, because if you're town then it looks like she was TMI'ing pretty hard on you.

-Smart

[Titus]

I think you might want to reset on skitter as well, though, because if you're town then it looks like she was TMI'ing pretty hard on you.

-Smart

How about you case Skitter without stating in general her play sucks or PoE?

I'll restate my VCA again, including who is clear and why.

I do admit if I am wrong on Skitter, then she probably has the most use for me out of anyone. A free mislynch that defends me, sign me up.

I just feel that strongly I am not wrong. The Skitter in team mafia was competent and carried. This skitter is not a carry at all.

[Eve]

can we lynch skitter now

[Titus]

Votecount 1.17

Target	Wagon
Allomancer (3)	nomnomnom (211), GuiltyLion (229), Eve (533)
Eve (3)	Auro (330), BBmolla (354), acryon (378)
acryon (1)	Allomancer (215)
GuiltyLion (1)	skitter30 (612)
skitter30 (1)	The Limit Does Not Exist (643)
Not Voting (2)	SausasaurusRex (219), Karnage (299)

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-03 00:18:59).

Votecount 1.19

Target	Wagon
Allomancer (4)	nomnomnom (211), Eve (533), acryon (711), The Limit Does Not Exist (713)
Eve (2)	Auro (330), BBmolla (354)
acryon (1)	Allomancer (215)
GuiltyLion (1)	skitter30 (612)
Not Voting (3)	SausasaurusRex (219), Karnage (299), GuiltyLion (717)

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-03 00:18:59).

Votecount 1.20

Target	Wagon
Eve (3)	nomnomnom (963), acryon (1036), The Limit Does Not Exist (1039)
nomnomnom (3)	Eve (868), skitter30 (1055), GuiltyLion (1076)
Allomancer (1)	SausasaurusRex (802)
Karnage (1)	Allomancer (850)
Not Voting (4)	BBmolla (786), Karnage (1028), Auro (1041)

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-03 00:18:59).

Apologies for my absence. It will not happen again.

Let's look at these three VCs.

Eve is the counterwagon to Allomancer, known town.
Eve is the counterwagon to nomnom, known town.
Eve is the counterwagon to acryon, known town.
We know Auro is town too.

Now let's apply that to these VCs.

Before you rant about wagon positioning, that doesn't count if the lynch is undecided.

If we suppose Eve is town, then scum didn't care who was lynched on the Allomancer or Eve wagons(1.17). They'd be fine with either one.

We see a largely town wagon on Eve in 1.17. Auro, BBMolla, Acryon

The question is then, why does a Nom counterwagon arise instead? Why did the Eve wagon shift names?

We see a new wagon of Nom acryon and TLDNE on Eve in 1.20.
Nom has eve, skitter and GL. Except for Skitter, GL and Eve were both on Allomancer. Skitter has had eyes for GuiltyLion.

Skitter has been out front trying to lynch GuiltyLion and instead gets left off the lynch at the end "for the traffic analyst" who was likely dead anyway? [Setting aside that being a bonehead idea, it does suggest general sentiment.] This reeks of isolating Skitter to discredit her. No one can tell me Skitter hasn't tried here.

Scum on Day 1 want to sheep. This let's them see a hood and control information without drawing attention to themselves.

Also, unless you want to argue town pride, scum keep saving Eve. They value Eve. Most likely she is scum.

[Titus]

Votecount 2.10

Target	Wagon
Eve (3)	acryon (1978), Titus (1979), skitter30 (2014)
Titus (3)	The Limit Does Not Exist (1635), BBmolla (1903), Auro (2034)
acryon (2)	Atarashi Hajimari (1660), Eve (1956)
Not Voting (1)	GuiltyLion (1780)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. The Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-14 17:47:59).

Votecount 2.11

Target	Wagon
Eve (3)	acryon (1978), Titus (1979), skitter30 (2014)
acryon (3)	Atarashi Hajimari (1660), Eve (1956), GuiltyLion (2094)
Titus (2)	The Limit Does Not Exist (1635), BBmolla (1903)
Not Voting (1)	Auro (2051)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. The Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-14 17:47:59).

Look at these votes. GuiltyLion will sheep anything, but an Eve vote.

[Eve]

so me being town basically shows scum are deepwolfing and didn't care about the lynches on those days

VOTE: skitter

[GuiltyLion]

sorry I still haven't reread the game and had time to effort yet and I've been putting that off

my gut is telling me Titus is town here, or at least more town than Skitter, but I do actually want to reread

Titus - regarding your latest post, yes, I thought Eve was town, and did not want to vote there. That doesn't make me scum.

[GuiltyLion]

BBmolla > GL > AH > Eve > Titus > skitter.

-Smart

this is basically where my head is at right now, but I want to do my homework cause I'm not quite sure either Skitter/Titus or Skitter/Eve teams feel like they make perfect sense to me

I just feel that strongly I am not wrong. The Skitter in team mafia was competent and carried. This skitter is not a carry at all.

we've only had mislynches and the TA was shot n1, this game is going pretty well for scum rn lmao

[GuiltyLion]

notable early game skit/eve interactions

That awkward moment when to want to vote and unvote someone at the same time.
Blergh
VOTE: Eve let's see what happens here

what are you thinking about their entrance?

I feel it's less likely skit indirectly defends a buddy this way

this would be a whole lotta theater, especially the end:

Spoiler:

gl's post is pinging me the wrong way

and eve is ... confusing me rn

thanks it's a new look i'm going for actually

are you usually this like ... flippant?

what do you mean

some of my remarks are sarcastic i'm not actually calling you guys tryhards if that wasn't apparent

the traffic analyst claim is ... kinda weird
and so is your like overall tone

like i'm having trouble seeing why the real traffic analyst would claim that
scum would want to be on wagon to avoid being checked

and idk why a vt would be doing what you're doing

so like i have no idea why you'd want to be doing that as town
but like i can see some benefits to doing that as scum

pedit that's the flippant part

how about for fun

meh even though it theoretically would/could benefit scum to post those things (and to follow through on things like lolhammers), i don't really see scum like actually making these posts unless they were super like cocky in their own scumgame, if that makes sense

bold of you to assume i'm not cocky in my scumgame

i am a scum god

can you link your most recent scumgame?

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=81667

also worth noting the question about Eve's recent scum game never really went anywhere

i was thinking of voting allo but i was kinda getting the vibe that if did l-1 eve might lolhammer and don't think we're quite ready for that yet

^this is sneaky sly if this is S talking about S

[GuiltyLion]

I don't think Rex and Skitter are scum together

oh this is an interesting take, why is that?

also bold... but feels more likely IMO than some of the skit/eve interactions being theater

[GuiltyLion]

I don’t think we should follow through with the allomancer lynch. Whilst his ISO isn’t

good

, it’s not terrible either. I think the best course of action is to scumhunt a little more first, to see if anyone else seems more scummy. We have a deadline, and we may as well use all that time. If allomancer still seems the scummiest after that time, then we can lynch him. But my point is that we shouldn’t lynch him yet.

this all at once sounds: svs, wishy-washy, and throwing in platitudes to try to prevent an allo lynch (which isn't imminently happening anyways ...)

Whilst I feel that TheLimitDoesNotExist is clearly mafia

Really? You don't think they could be reading things wrongly, Rex?
You're 100% sure they're being disingenuous and not that there's a miscommunication somewhere?

i think they're being disingenuous, yeah
sauce is fine, i think
i think he seems to be a 'slow and steady' sort of player who wants to utilize the full time as much as possible, which is why he told us to slow our horses on allo and even now he's saying that he isn't advocating a limit lynch right now

his allo push was bad but he exhibited the same mindset in ... all three of his stated lynch/scum options (eve, allo, and limit), so i think that this is just how he approaches the game and how he feels about the best way to use our time

smart is shading your townbloc strategy, and smarter is misrepping people to push them
and smart is also a lot more passive than i'd expect him to be

man I forgot how weird this progression was

[GuiltyLion]

I generally feel like Auro died for two reasons

1) he was hard pushing Skit
2) so Titus could make the VCA argument above

there's really no reason not to shoot Limit over Auro here unless Auro specifically was pushing scum

[GuiltyLion]

VOTE: skitter

[Titus]

I generally feel like Auro died for two reasons

1) he was hard pushing Skit
2) so Titus could make the VCA argument above

there's really no reason not to shoot Limit over Auro here unless Auro specifically was pushing scum

My argument largely remains the same with an Auro or Limit kill.

This still doesn't explain you sheeping every wagon but the one on Eve.

There's also a dramatic difference between how you responded to me versus how Molla did. His frustration feels genuine, like we misunderstood him. Yours is just there for the sake of pushing me and skitter.

Auro and I also had worked things out. That meant no one was going to lynch Auro.

[Eve]

huh skitter's avoiding this game

we got her - let's lock her up she felt off for a reason

[Titus]

Mod: Please replace me with Tiger Shark. It's a hydra of me and Shark.

[Tiger Shark]

Confirming. Shark will likely be posting in 24-48 hours. Shark hasn't read the game yet and wants to learn more about mafia. Shark's a real life friend, so treat Shark well please.

~Titus

[Eve]

i guess Titus is town

what kind of crazy person would introduce a friend to mafia by bringing them into a scumleaned scum slot

[skitter30]

so me being town basically shows scum are deepwolfing and didn't care about the lynches on those days

VOTE: skitter

i mean, that presupposes you're town tho ...

=

man I forgot how weird this progression was

for like the sixth time, i can think someone's post is bad but at the same time disagree with why/how they're being pushed.

i've also brought this up several times before wrt to me/titus being teamed (and it's never been addressed), but i think it's kinda unlikely that i would have chosen to pick a fight with limit their in order to defend my lynchbait partner that i could/would have just bussed.

i think that the me/titus teamreadings are pretty silly and a bit frustrating for a few different reasons:
1. i think that she's town. misguided town, sure, but i really, really don't think she's scum here.
2. i really can't imagine a universe where i go out on a limb to defend sauce in those circumstances
3. i would not have been defending her slot yesterday when she repped into a scumread slot.

i don't think i've ever interacted with a partner that way and i can't imagine why i would have chosen to start here like this

and even eve/me would be pretty gutsy because i've spent quite a bit of time trying to get her lynched yesterday (over the dead-easy lolmislynch that happened), and that's who i quite vocally prefer today

like who am i even partnered with here ... ?

=

I generally feel like Auro died for two reasons

1) he was hard pushing Skit
2) so Titus could make the VCA argument above

there's really no reason not to shoot Limit over Auro here unless Auro specifically was pushing scum

is this primarily what changed between yesterday and today wrt your read on me?

1. if i were scum here i think i would have kept him alive unless i were scum with exactly titus because i'm pretty sure i could have gotten him to rally around her first over me. like i guess if i were scum with titus i could see this argument given he would have had figured out the scumteam exactly but i know that's wrong so ...
also i think that given how the acryon wagon went down he would have lost some of his credibility if he'd have lived; if scum!me were worried about someone with influence successfully pushing me to a lynch, i would have killed limit i think
like when deciding who to nk scum!me focuses more on gauging various players and their in-thread influence and where they're liable to vote and how much support they can get than on who is suspecting me in particular

2. i think she could have made that argument with or without auro being alive; auro dying really doesn't make it any weaker or stronger

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

How about you case Skitter without stating in general her play sucks or PoE?

The case on skitter is that her play is not very dynamic, it's reactive in a way that I've seen scum-skitter play before (sure she has a rep as a strong scumplayer, but I would say that she played a middling scumgame when we played before), and if you're town, her defense of you is unfounded and feels forced, which makes it look like a TMI.

-Smart

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

Mod: Please replace me with Tiger Shark. It's a hydra of me and Shark.

ba… by... SHARK DOO DOO, DOO DOO DA DOO

(Sorry)

-Smart

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

there's really no reason not to shoot Limit over Auro here unless Auro specifically was pushing scum

This too.

-Smart

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

Well, that's false. Scum could have killed Auro specifically so they could make that argument

But that would require GL to be scum which I doubt.

-Smart