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[Almost50]

Aren’t moderators obligated to state they made an error if they made one?

No. A moderator would/should use their best judgement (or ask a listmod). Generally speaking, if announcing you made a mistake disrupts the game further (ex: confirms a player's alignment that was not supposed to be confirmed) then you do NOT acknowledge such mistake.

[Almost50]

She gets it by trying to read me.

Input/Output error. Unrecognized peripheral.

Reference: A "Bell" cannot be "read". It can only be "seen", but mist importantly it should be "heard".

[Hiraki]

im surprised mafia isn't taking advantage of this more than anything

Unvote, Vote: NPOM

@mod

do i need to go hard for NPOM today? i will FYI

[Almost50]

are you going to try to engage me or are you going to double down on this

I am engaging you?

Congratulations, you two. When's the wedding?

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Stan1ey
I can't vote Glitch, i can't vote MM.
You're my last hope Stan1ey.

[Almost50]

I'm a vigilante, and shot Pickaxe Pete last night for rather obvious reasons.

this plus the two crumbs he has alluded to probably clears MM as town unless someone else claims to have shot pete

What two crumbs? Point them out to me, if you please.

[Almost50]

Jackson. Can you talk normal.

He's an AUSSIE. Since when do people "speak normal" in the land down under?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Jackson. Can you talk normal.

He's an AUSSIE. Since when do people "speak normal" in the land down under?

˙ǝɯ llǝʇ no⅄

[Almost50]

Nomal?

Yo! "normal" = Oxford, Amerahca Englahsh, like, or somethahng sahmahalr ta aht. Eeasyghlythahng odar ahs dahffahcult for not-natahve speakers ta understa'.

That sounded more like a Kiwi speaking rather than an Aussie!

[Almost50]

im surprised mafia isn't taking advantage of this more than anything

Unvote, Vote: NPOM

VOTE: NPOM

[Glitch]

I went to look into everyone on the 72 wagon. SJReaver (now shelly), A50, Hiraki, Titus, looter, IKSF, sb, Ydrasse, NPOM, and JV. I was puzzled by NPOM's vote on 72 because there was never a mention or statement I saw about SR'ing 72 leading up to his vote. He just jumped on the wagon nice and easy. Turns out that seems to be a pattern throughout the game.

VOTE: Lapsa

Looks like we're consolidating.

VOTE: Glitch

VOTE: Lapsa

Eh why not?

VOTE: Fwesnid

VOTE: Norway

VOTE: A50

VOTE: Titus

VOTE: 72offsuit

I don't feel like lynching a claimed or today.

Nero wanted stanley dead I think.
VOTE: stanley

VOTE: glitch

The context of his votes almost always makes his votes non-controversial. All his votes are underwhelming, unexplained, and easy targets that don't ever rock the boat or scumhunt for himself. Just following the flow. Maybe NPOM should be the next wagon here. ISO him and see how underwhelming his content has been so far.

VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

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P-edit I promise it's not coordinated with A50.

[Almost50]

Jackson. Can you talk normal.

He's an AUSSIE. Since when do people "speak normal" in the land down under?

˙ǝɯ llǝʇ no⅄

[Glitch]

Spoiler:

Do AUSSIES shower like British people shower?

[Town looter]

Hmm, it's true that townies are likely to be on my wagon too, but I'm saying that scum, who know both me and Fwesnid are town PRs, would love to see both of us die while keeping their hands clean, hence why I think they're even more likely to get on my wagon.

As for analyzing how people got off the wagon and how they acted, I already did that with Bell and Jackson, and found that both of them were towny here. I also still don't like how Titus has hopped on my wagon, talked about what was Normal and what wasn't, and then got off the wagon. That's scummy IIoA + what I would expect from scum who see that the wagon is losing its traction.

I think that's such a stretch. If we're wrong MM can just take out scum!Fwesnid on his way down and now it will also tell us a bit about the alignment of Flake and A50.

VOTE: Glitch

With the light of the feedback, this post looks pretty bad. From a town PoV, it'd be a poorly detailed position (and it's not that Glitch can't detail his position, he proved it during the Nero - Glitch fight). From a scum PoV, it'd be an easy lineup of two PR deaths that doesn't make him look bad and that gives him a justification to vote me and to support the vengekill on Fwesnid.

see here its more than just glitch being on the wagon. if we assume Glitch is scum for a second, he is using his knowledge that both Fwes and MM were likely both telling the truth to set up both of their deaths in one go, and reads as if he is persuading people to get it over with to achieve that. (tbf tho its likely MM would have shot Fwes anyway if he had died, so its not needed to tell MM to do it anyway but still)

VOTE: glitch thats 8/10 votes, still not convinced glitch is scum but when MM pointed the above out it made me think its quite likely tbf. plus idk where else to vote and id like to get to the bottom the mysterious soft claim too

I don't these lines of reasoning stack up. I nearly hammered MM yesterday - from a town POV it was fairly clear cut what to do, it looked very much like we had caught scum and I was eager for some hammer action. However, I hadn't even considered the possibility of a mod error. So glad I delayed myself waiting for reads from MM...

Scum on the other hand would have known something funny was up. They would know MM and Fwesnid's alignments, and even in a Scum!Fwesnid scenario would know something was amiss (as they would have full knowledge of his role, including modifiers).

This makes me think Glitch, and other hard pushers during the situation, are likely to be town - a push only makes sense from a position of ignorance. The informed would be very wary of doing anything, because they would know there had been an error, and that it was likely to be fixed at some point. The only real scum opportunity here would be to quick hammer when MM was at L-1, but they would only do this if Fwesnid was town (and they had been around to do so).

I am going to go back at some point and see who did what, but right now I am thinking Glitch town, and Stanley scum as a consequential read (i.e. pushing Glitch). I am going back and forth on Fwesnid, do you guys think scum would've quick hammered at L-1 in a town!Fwesnid scenario? MM not definitely wanting to shoot Fwesnid at the time confuses this, and makes me think they might not, even in a town!Fwesnid scenario.

Obviously some elements of WIFOM, but I am not inclined to not think too much into it as the source of uncertainty if outside of players control in this situation, so I think gaming less likely.

[Town looter]

*First line correction, should read: I don't think these lines of reasoning stack up

[shellyc]

What are your reads?

i dont have any

sorry to disappoint

wtf you have NO READS?
VOTE: DrDolittle

DrDolittle's ISO looks terrible, really terrible. I need to see more from you and this is a pressure vote

[JacksonVirgo]

Sorry guys, was at a party last night.

[JacksonVirgo]

Let's make a bold assumption that MM is town. Glitch pointing out L-1 is anti-scum - can prevent a mislynch. Perhaps he did it for town creds. But then 3203 destroys the very purpose of his L-1 post.

contradiction

Hence:
town MM => town Glitch.
MM is confirmable, so is Glitch.
Q.E.D.

That's not really a town-tell and missing a L-1 isn't a scum-tell.

[Bell]

Don’t feel well. Post tomorrow.

Deadline is when? Sorry.

[shellyc]

Hope you feel better soon, deadline is in 4 days and 11 hours according the the last VC

[Bell]

Thank you.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Glitch is shading me. Glad to be conftown!

Let's go StanWagon!

[NoPowerOverMe]

VOTE: Stanley

[NoPowerOverMe]

@Glitch: There's no point in shoving your face in people's faces just for the heck of it. There are plenty of players in this game that are likely town with good ideas I can collaborate with.

[NoPowerOverMe]

It's pretty early so don't hold me to this list, but this would be my solve if forced at this point:

Stanley/Almost50/Marshmallow Marshall/ralph217/Glitch