Open 775: Hard-Boiled Eggs [Game Over]

[DkKoba]

Not enough people voting for Hiraki here... Would be great if people could explain why, making reference to my watertight case against him!

I'll read and see if I buy the case

did you end up reading?

Note: This does NOT mean I SR Hiraki.

Now tell who's not reading (or rather is not

comprehending

what they read).

the vast majority of your posts are filler content so excuse you. Start actually participating, your active lurking is telling. You only said that in a sentence not related to that post and are just now linking it to that as a "gotcha".

[DrDolittle]

i dont think playstyle changes after a single game bud

[DrDolittle]

so I'm struggling to see what you're seeing and why you think it's reasonable and even villagery for madoka to be wolf reading you here.

its a read in good faith

[Hiraki]

DkK - A50 usually posts like this. There's nothing wrong with it, don't be a hater.

[DkKoba]

I'm going to hate on nooby playstyles that are just meant as masks for people's scumplay

[Hiraki]

I don't think you have the authority to call anyone out for a nooby playstyle.

[DkKoba]

I don't think you have the authority to call anyone out for a nooby playstyle.

Why is that kiddo?

[DkKoba]

Either you point out something I've done that is legitimately "nooby" this game or you can drop it and go back to actually playing, I have no patience for players who think they know better at a social deduction game because they joined forum site at an earlier date.

[Iconeum]

@allomancer, is there any particular reason you started giving game thoughts *after* 72 called you out on that? Did you just get caught?

I really don't see any town reasoning behind Dkkoba's recent posts.
VOTE: DkKoba

then what do you see? this is so superficial it makes me cringe

do you scumread his intention? do you see a scum setting something up?

->what and which posts make you scumread dkkoba?

VOTE: allomancer

allomancer plz respond

[Iconeum]

Hmm... 6/12 I don't even recognize. The other 6 I can't claim to know their play that well. INTERESTING (and challenging)

Note: I even forgot who Tet & Looker were. I remember these were alts of players I know well, but WHO??

you know perfectly well who I am and how I play

[Iconeum]

where did the allomancer wagon go to?

[Iconeum]

can ya'll at least hop back on and help pressure there?

[Iconeum]

@dkkoba, scumhunting is good but from your perspective townhunting might be better at this time

[Iconeum]

I think we should lynch ddl.

A vote there to prove your conviction would be nice.

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• @Almost50 (You've got to be 50 by now): I don't think I'm an alt. I mean, I have my picture in my profile.
  
• @DrDolittle: I lost that game as town, so yes, I'm going to change my approach to win subsequent ones
  
• @Tet: Who are you trying to connect me to and using what methodology?

VOTE: Almost50

• @Madoka & Allomancer: Please advance this game - vote.
  
• @ClearlyPast50: Probably. I keep seeing the same avatars over and over again.

talking to allomancer to vote and do something, while you are voting A50 (admit it, that vote isn't doing a ton right now?)

care to join back on allomancer and see what happens if we squeeze that lemon? he has some shakey posts that need answering

[Iconeum]

battlemage, first you build a case from the ground up starting in nearly your opening post on dkkoba
then when you can't continue that, you

instantly

devize a new case on someone you were previously townreading, and gave not a single indication to otherwise about

early read, based on a sample of her recent games, is Hiraki = town.

nice and easy townread on hiraki

1. What did u mean by not good?

It wasn't a good post.

2. What do u mean by VI i take it back?

Village Idiot.

Hold on....so all that was just a coded way to call me an idiot? keep it classy, and feel free to share some more fascinating insights with the group

annoyed at hiraki, but nothing remotely thinking this could be scum

Iconeum and I are vibing HARD. He can do all of the typing for me at this point that you guys might want.

I'm cool with that. Iconeum's less mean to me than you are!

not an interaction with a scumread if you ask me

Hiraki notes

It didn't strike me until I re-read, but despite posting often, Hiraki has made almost no contribution to the game so far. Mostly "I like this" or "Don't like that" or "X is town". At one point, asked DrDoLittle to explain his vote, despite the fact he is still voting for 72offsuit (since Page 1?) with no explanation. It does have a lot of hallmarks of scum making minimal actual effort, but wanting to seem like they have something valuable to progress the discussion. Little consistency of view - one post suspicious of Iconeum, subsequent post very friendly towards Iconeum. Has repeatedly conveyed a very confident town-read throughout on Allomancer, but still tempted to jump on the bandwagon at L-2.

Earlier I'd looked at some old Hiraki games, and had an initial town read, but foolishly didn't make notes on which ones/why.

Micro 714 is definitely worth a look if you're keen. In Micro 714, Hiraki (Mafia Goon) also didn't make any real contribution to discussion (died Day 1), and also put most of his focus into arguing about whether someone had a right to be maligned after he had clearly undermined them.

For contrast, in Minimal Normal 2002, Hiraki (Town) quite quickly got stuck in with views, which were well thought-out and coherently expressed.

From a quick skim of various other games, Hiraki's attitude to the game isn't a tell - he swears a lot and can be unduly aggressive regardless of alignment.
the distinction, on this very small sample, appears to be that Hiraki-town gives enough information to support his position, so that he has some hope of persuading others to join him. Hiraki-scum doesn't give enough information to influence anybody, but also not enough information for anyone to be able to disagree.

In this game, as with Micro 714, although Hiraki has thrown shade and picked sides (without saying why), he hasn't given enough of a hook to grab onto, or to really judge his reasoning one way or another.

Unvote, Vote: Hiraki

and after dkoba claim, BOOM insta scumread
it's also in the same style as your previous one, a hard case without any kind of effort into actually sorting the slot

both of them (hiraki and dkoba) feel very forced, like you feel obliged to have a read like this out.
what's your read on allomancer?

second vote: battle mage

please stand by, once i'm done with allomancer i'll be all over you

[Iconeum]

Not enough people voting for Hiraki here... Would be great if people could explain why, making reference to my watertight case against him!

I'll read and see if I buy the case

please do and let me know

also read his first case on dkkoba and tell me your thoughts on that?

[Madoka]

Looker, I will get to this within the next couple of days.

[Iconeum]

@madoka you have expressed several reads where your vote would fit (ddl and orange)

why are you reluctant to vote?

[Madoka]

I only vote if I'm willing to lynch/end the day.

[DkKoba]

if you don't vote then your fos's mean jack shit to me

[Madoka]

I really don't care.

[Iconeum]

I only vote if I'm willing to lynch/end the day.

This denies everyone else opportunity to read you, and it denies yourself and everyone else opportunity to pressure players.
Votes aren't 'only' for lynching/ending day. They are the greatest tool to pressure players and get information, as well as helping others reading you correctly.

I don't really see the downside of voting, unless ur afraid of something

[Iconeum]

if you don't vote then your fos's mean jack shit to me

My dude, you

really

need to take a chill pill and stop acting like ur the goddamn sherif of this game. You need people working together, and I feel that ur being counter productive to that right now. If we can't make a solid townblock then we might as well throw the game now.

[Iconeum]

I only vote if I'm willing to lynch/end the day.

btw, in iso, this is super pingy

[Iconeum]

@dkkoba, how are you townreading mage?