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[LuckyLuciano]

That's funny considering you were in Newbie 1995 and yet you noted my "comedic content" in RVS.

UNVOTE: Persi. VOTE: Clidd.

I'm waiting for your towntell.

What towntell were you looking for?

[LuckyLuciano]

If you are assuming that the person you are testing is scum, you are giving in to confirmation bias. This also ties back to Zulfy's post asking Clidd if there was any reaction I could have given that wouldn't lead him to arguing that I'm town. Clidd didn't seem to have a coherent idea of what sorts of reactions would indicate that I am town, and what sorts of reactions would indicate that I am scum. It felt more like he was scumpainting and he backed off when I called him out on it.

Which post gave you that?

33, 35.

[clidd]

That's funny considering you were in Newbie 1995 and yet you noted my "comedic content" in RVS.

UNVOTE: Persi. VOTE: Clidd.

I'm waiting for your towntell.

What towntell were you looking for?

Your next reaction. If you had a robotic instance in an argumentative sense, I would suspect that you would be trying to pretend to be calm. If you were irritated/frustrated or showed any chemical trace of emotion, it would be more evident that you were town.

[LuckyLuciano]

Also, if you believe that I am more aggressive when pushed as TPR, why would you choose to test me by intentionally misrepping my play? Don't you think that your chosen approach is likely, on its own, to tick me off?

Yes, but this is not something that I worried about. Whether you are town or not was more important.

You thought that knowing whether or not I am town was of great enough importance that you were willing to take a course of action that you believed was likely to out me as TPR?

Would you say that my play is noticeably worse when I'm annoyed?

[LuckyLuciano]

That's funny considering you were in Newbie 1995 and yet you noted my "comedic content" in RVS.

UNVOTE: Persi. VOTE: Clidd.

I'm waiting for your towntell.

What towntell were you looking for?

Your next reaction. If you had a robotic instance in an argumentative sense, I would suspect that you would be trying to pretend to be calm. If you were irritated/frustrated or showed any chemical trace of emotion, it would be more evident that you were town.

What it my first reaction was robotic? I'm trying to visualize a flowchart of my possible reactions and where the possible scum reactions lie, because it feels like you are finding spots for them after the fact.

[Klick]

I have too many townreads for the amount of content there's been so far. After sitting on them for a while, I'd probably make a list that looks more like this:

{farside22, valoneast, Reundo}
{SirCakez, LuckyLuciano, Umlaut}
{clidd, Persivul, Zulfy, Atarashi Hajimari}
{Hoctac, Ragman Saul Rima}

[valoneast]

@/u/fuckswithducks, have you done this yet?

Yep, I think his reaction was acceptable, as with all, but he didn't really have a scumread on you, just that he would vote on you due to what you said. I know you think #46 unvote seems weird, but it's not if you read his explanation in 51, 53, 58, he does back it up. He did his probing, and he got some reactions. he doesn't have to immediate dictate you for these actions for the rest of the game, just he came, got some info, and left.

From a scum!clidd standpoint, I feel like he might've wanted to push the wagon harder, seeing what you had to hide, or keep reminding us of this pressure on you. I mean, it's a pretty big tell IMO, but he was willing to drop it after a bit.

He's leaning more town than you are atm.

[valoneast]

Also, I approve of your avatar choice.

Cheers! I realize avatarless makes this game so much less enjoyable for all of us.

[LuckyLuciano]

Alright, it's clear that my views on Clidd are mine alone, so I'll table it and direct my attention somewhere more productive. UNVOTE: Clidd. VOTE: Ragman.

Now

it's time for L-1.

[clidd]

Also, if you believe that I am more aggressive when pushed as TPR, why would you choose to test me by intentionally misrepping my play? Don't you think that your chosen approach is likely, on its own, to tick me off?

Yes, but this is not something that I worried about. Whether you are town or not was more important.

You thought that knowing whether or not I am town was of great enough importance that you were willing to take a course of action that you believed was likely to out me as TPR?

Would you say that my play is noticeably worse when I'm annoyed?

You traveled a little in your sentence. The first inference of importance would be to determine whether you were town or not, and as a result your role specification was discovered.

When you are angry, it becomes more difficult to hide the interpersonal traits linked to your towngame. I believe you are more robotic as scum.

[LuckyLuciano]

Clidd, you would enjoy reading some of the intense flame wars I've had as mafia.

[clidd]

That's funny considering you were in Newbie 1995 and yet you noted my "comedic content" in RVS.

UNVOTE: Persi. VOTE: Clidd.

I'm waiting for your towntell.

What towntell were you looking for?

Your next reaction. If you had a robotic instance in an argumentative sense, I would suspect that you would be trying to pretend to be calm. If you were irritated/frustrated or showed any chemical trace of emotion, it would be more evident that you were town.

What it my first reaction was robotic? I'm trying to visualize a flowchart of my possible reactions and where the possible scum reactions lie, because it feels like you are finding spots for them after the fact.

Hum, it looks like you're not going to change your instance.

[clidd]

Clidd, you would enjoy reading some of the intense flame wars I've had as mafia.

[valoneast]

Well @Ragman you're at L-1, got any input into any of the storylines up to this page?

[Ircher]

Day 1 VC #11

Umlaut (0):
clidd (0):
Hoctac (0):
Persivul (0):

Ragman Saul Rima (6) (L-1): farside22 (170), Persivul (172), Reundo (190), Klick (211), clidd (214), LuckyLuciano (358)

valoneast (0):
brassherald (0):
LuckyLuciano (3): Zulfy (38), Umlaut (125), Ragman Saul Rima (127)
farside22 (0):
Klick (2): Hoctac (135), SirCakez (292)
SirCakez (0):
Not Voting (2): brassherald (255), valoneast (274)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch a player.

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[clidd]

I think I'll avoid future games with you, Luciano. It is not the first time I notice a decline on your read quality.

[LuckyLuciano]

Aww, but I enjoy playing with you!

[Umlaut]

UNVOTE: LuckyLuciano

He's looked a lot more towny in these posts and I sort of understand where he was coming from in the first place now. I don't take any of the earlier accusations as deliberate misreps, though. I kind of like his waiting to put the vote on Ragman even when he was under pressure and Ragman was an opportune wagon, and even though his response to my question about that was kind of a brush-off it seemed like a towny one for reasons that are hard to articulate.

Could do Ragman but it's way too early to lynch. Not really interested in Klick. I'll have to take a closer look in a bit to find a good vote.

[farside22]

There are 2 players on the wagon that currently are making me a little uncomfortable. 1 hasn't said much and the other is klick.

Klick: why the scum read on hoctac?

[clidd]

New ranking:

[Reundo] [Umlaut] [Hoctac] [Valoneast] [LuckyLuciano]

[Klick] [SirCakez] [brassherald] [farside22]

[Zulfy] [Persivul]

[Ragman Saul Rima]

[Klick]

It's not a scumread - it's more 'I have zero reason to think Hoctac is town'. Or I guess more accurately, Hoctac is giving bare minimum beyond trolling and is >rand scum simply because he hasn't done anything he isn't likely to do if he rolled red this game. That leaves him on the bottom rung because I can't really say the same about anyone above him.
Except Persivul, I guess. He's probably getting placed a bit higher than he should be because he seems generally reasonable and like a good presence to have in the game if he's town, which I'm fine with for now.

[Klick]

Consider it more of a preferred D1 lynch list than a pure town-scum list.

[SirCakez]

Pretty sure the Atarashi slot is town.

?

You don't know how heavily I was targeted on my old site. I still talk to Atari outside of mafia on a daily basis. He's my DM in D&D. Scum!Atari would see the easy lynch on me and join it to rub it in my face later. Especially because he knows how much I hate getting misrepped. I only see scum!Atari defending me under some crazy pretense that the players in this game, with how poorly they've handled my opening, would then buy an offsite meta driven push against him after I flip green. I also think that scum!Atari prefers town!Lucky dead rather than alive. I see him defending me as having massive opportunity cost from his perspective.

I will keep this in mind

Let me help more. What about Luckys post did you like?
What is your thoughts about chldd/lucky interaction?

it was 263 mainly. it seems like real scumhunting.
I think Lucky looks a lil townier in the interaction. clidd is kind of off in it. I think the TPR discussion is bad. Like why dig into that?

UNVOTE: LuckyLuciano

He's looked a lot more towny in these posts and I sort of understand where he was coming from in the first place now. I don't take any of the earlier accusations as deliberate misreps, though. I kind of like his waiting to put the vote on Ragman even when he was under pressure and Ragman was an opportune wagon, and even though his response to my question about that was kind of a brush-off it seemed like a towny one for reasons that are hard to articulate.

Could do Ragman but it's way too early to lynch. Not really interested in Klick. I'll have to take a closer look in a bit to find a good vote.

Don't like this post. Very waffly. Kinda like Umlaut is trying to avoid messing with anyone.

Still not crazy about Ragman wagon. I re-ISOed him and again didn't really see anything bothersome.
Klick remains the best wagon. Their (semi-useless) pop-in/pop-out while ignoring SRs on them was bad.

[clidd]

I'll take a better look at post 254 when I arrive at home. (2~3 hours)

Pedit: I already imagine what your post will be like.

I'm not in the mood to follow this. Probably another time.

[Klick]

Klick remains the best wagon. Their (semi-useless) pop-in/pop-out while ignoring SRs on them was bad.

If you'd like me to talk with you about your scumread on me, you should say more than vague statements about how my posts seem useless and bad. I dropped the dialogue that I tried to start with you about your read on me because it was met with 'well in context it was scummy' with no further explanation.
Alternatively, you could engage more in detail with some of the things I'm saying, like some others have done.