Usually during pre-game and night phases in the newbie queue. Not during the Day phase.
Well that completely messes up my scumread of Lemon.
Why?
"Jae defends his townreads like a fanatic" - Charloux
"On the issue of myself they go back and forth between overpowering paranoia and absolute certainty I'm town... it's kind of exhausting." - Nahdia
"Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
―Darth Malak to Revan
If you need any convincing, just look at GL's vote on me.
Terrible logic.
"Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
―Darth Malak to Revan
I'm not voting GL. Feel pretty good that GL = town. Disagree that his logic is terrible. I also disagree with him regarding your Titus vote/scumread thing but that doesn't make his logic terrible.
Your "self-save" onto lemon - that is a terrible vote.
"Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
―Darth Malak to Revan
First of all, I certainly will protect my TR on GL by saying I don't want to vote there.
Three days before lunch, Revan has two votes on him.
I vote Lemon, putting her to 3.
Revan votes previously-TRed Lemon and when pushed claims it was a self save. How in the world is that a reasonable place to self-save onto another one of your town reads?
Walk me through Town-Revan's thought process here and why he acts how he did. He sees me vote Lemon putting her at L-2. He has a town read on Lemon and knows that Lemon is a lynch candidate for most of the village. He sees his two biggest scumreads (I think) Jae and GL voting him.
I think Town-Revan tries to get one of his scumread lynched. Tries to actually put together a decent argument on either of them or point something out that others haven't seen. Both Jae and GL are read fairly mixed at this point in time, it might not be a futile effort and I might be able to get some traction on a lynch on my scumreads in the three friggin days remaining until lynch.
I don't see how town-Revan decides to instead push one of his townreads to L-1, claim it was a self-save when he has two votes on him, not try to get one of his scumreads lynched at the time, and then now that he is at L-1 say that now there is time to run someone else up. When he wasn't under pressure and voted his town read Lemon, there was no push to run Jae/GL/anyone else up - he was content to just self-save onto lemon.
Revan, you still haven't addressed why exactly you changed your mind so quickly after you said that D1 is too early to vote me up. I don't agree with Titus, I don't see how it could have been strategic. The only way I can see it as strategic is if Revan was scum trying to direct attention onto someone else and following someone who he thinks is town to seem like town himself. It's blatantly contradictory and super scummy.
To add to bowdown's post:
In post 371, Revan wrote:Sheeping the experienced players? I don't think you can say that if my top scumread is the IC.
Don't forget that you said that your top scum read was the IC and then voted for me two posts after bowdown placed his vote on me.
I'll also quote your post about not running me up, in case you forgot:
In post 342, Revan wrote:I think EL is too townread to be lynched today.
As you can see, less than 30 posts have passed between the two posts. This is just careless.
In post 385, Titus wrote:It's more cause for concern if Revan didn't vote his counter.
If Revan didn't vote his counter there it would have probably had me whiteknight him for lack of opportunism, because I hardly ever see that flip red.
"Jae defends his townreads like a fanatic" - Charloux
"On the issue of myself they go back and forth between overpowering paranoia and absolute certainty I'm town... it's kind of exhausting." - Nahdia
Pregame coaching isn't enough fmpov, with what I was looking at. Also, Lemon had the chance to hammer an 'obvscum' and didn't, which is another town tell I think? Although Jae has said it's mostly null.
But I'd still like to point out that according to Cakez' matrix, there isn't necessarily a bulletproof town in the game at all.
UNVOTE: tojam2
The only way I could be scum is if we're using line 1 instead of line A or 3 as there is a VT in that line (who doesn't know they were selected from the matrix). Doctor would CC if we were using line C, and Cop on 2 or B, so you've got a 66.7% chance that I'm elling the truth, theoretically, if a PR get roleblocked in the night I'm a conftown.
I'm sorry I think it's best I unvote because I can't really follow what's going on. I get home tomorrow and can re-read and hopefully post properly before deadline
@bowdown I was townreading EL on page 2. Why do you believe that that read is still current? It looks like you're stretching now.
"Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
―Darth Malak to Revan
In post 386, bowdown wrote:First of all, I certainly will protect my TR on GL by saying I don't want to vote there.
Three days before lunch, Revan has two votes on him.
I vote Lemon, putting her to 3.
Revan votes previously-TRed Lemon and when pushed claims it was a self save. How in the world is that a reasonable place to self-save onto another one of your town reads?
Walk me through Town-Revan's thought process here and why he acts how he did. He sees me vote Lemon putting her at L-2. He has a town read on Lemon and knows that Lemon is a lynch candidate for most of the village. He sees his two biggest scumreads (I think) Jae and GL voting him.
I think Town-Revan tries to get one of his scumread lynched. Tries to actually put together a decent argument on either of them or point something out that others haven't seen. Both Jae and GL are read fairly mixed at this point in time, it might not be a futile effort and I might be able to get some traction on a lynch on my scumreads in the three friggin days remaining until lynch.
I don't see how town-Revan decides to instead push one of his townreads to L-1, claim it was a self-save when he has two votes on him, not try to get one of his scumreads lynched at the time, and then now that he is at L-1 say that now there is time to run someone else up. When he wasn't under pressure and voted his town read Lemon, there was no push to run Jae/GL/anyone else up - he was content to just self-save onto lemon.
It doesn't make sense. Revan is scum.
Two days until deadlijne.
It's the counter.
He doesn't townread EL.
"Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
―Darth Malak to Revan
In post 382, Revan wrote:If you need any convincing, just look at GL's vote on me.
Terrible logic.
Titus how does this read like a town post to you?
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
and respond to my question about the associative you're trying to draw between me and EL, please. At the very least - I want you to reaffirm or deny that you are arguing that EL scumslipped by saying she didn't want to "bus" me.
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
