No I'm saying he's town and this isn't likely scum whiteknight because the risk reward of hard town read ing meIn post 545, callforjudgement wrote:Could you clarify what you meant by this? I'm interpreting this as you asking Firebringer not to defend you because you fear he'll be scummy for doing so, but think I might have misinterpreted. (It can't be a scum breadcrumb/signal, which was my first thought, because scum have daytalk.)In post 501, OkaPoka wrote:You have too much to lose to try and keep me afloat. You can't buddy a dead slot and you will end up being called a white knight. It sabotages you too much and in truth I think more townies have been called white knights than scum actually white knighting.
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i don't get everything after point 2 thenIn post 549, OkaPoka wrote:I am preempting the what if firebringer is buddying argumentShowHiatus once more.
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So there was something that was potentially alignment indicative. You did not feel like Kop's posts pointed one way or another towards his alignment, even after Sassy lurked to her replacement?In post 544, callforjudgement wrote:Actually, the main thing I'm surprised at is that skitter hasn't complained abut my recent activity. I've been having problems finding things to say about this game because it feels like not much is happening; there have been lots of posts but I haven't seen much alignment-indicative in them, and not much that warrants really pointing it out. So I haven't been posting as much as I'd like, and I feel like skitter would have picked up on that?-
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I originally thought Kop's posts were townish, but I'd misread them (for some reason I thought they weren't talking about OkaPoka the first time I read them). Expressing a scumread on OkaPoka on new reasoning is a) what scum would be doing in that situation if OkaPoka were town but b) entirely reasonable as town too, so I ended up drawing no conclusions.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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@cfj should i be worried that i'm starting to feel like ur buddying me?ShowHiatus once more.
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I'm not buddying you intentionally. I guess it's more reasonable to be suspicious of me / discount what I'm saying somewhat if you think that that's what I'm doing (if I'm buddying you unintentionally, you should probably reduce your reliance on what I'm saying in much the same way as if I were tunnelling). Worrying seems like the wrong verb, though.In post 557, skitter30 wrote:@cfj should i be worried that i'm starting to feel like ur buddying me?scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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Eh maybe i should have said 'concerned' instead
I do kinda feel like you're extraordinarily interested in my opinions thoShowHiatus once more.
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What did you expect CFJ to say to this if he was scum buddying you?In post 557, skitter30 wrote:@cfj should i be worried that i'm starting to feel like ur buddying me?-
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It might just be my little mind doing silly things. I just felt that was somehow the case in my mind.In post 537, skitter30 wrote:I'm not sure i really see that here honestly
It felt to me that you put out your reads, and lich questioned one of your reads, it felt to me that in order to try look like your actively reaching out, you moved firebringer up because it was mentioned. I just don't know whether you would have moved firebringer up if it hadn't been mentioned a few posts earlier.In post 541, OkaPoka wrote:Kop explain to me in context how I was appeasing lich
It would have made more sense if you had moved him up a lot later than you did, or by interacting more with firebringer, but not as soon as it was mentioned by someone else for you to do it.
I'm probably thinking too much into it tbh, and seeing something that isn't actually there.You'll Never Walk Alone!-
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Surely in this situation if I was scum I could just blend in with the Oka read as he is widely scum read and is the highest wagon, if I was scum I wouldn't need to do a great deal by adding to his scum read. And if I was scum and hammered not long after replacing in, I would get round about the same attention as the others that were on the wagon.In post 556, callforjudgement wrote:I originally thought Kop's posts were townish, but I'd misread them (for some reason I thought they weren't talking about OkaPoka the first time I read them). Expressing a scumread on OkaPoka on new reasoning isa) what scum would be doing in that situation if OkaPoka were townbut b) entirely reasonable as town too, so I ended up drawing no conclusions.
Also on a similar note, it would be the same if I was scum and hammered Oka, I would probably warrant the same amount of attention as the others who were on his wagon if he flipped town.You'll Never Walk Alone!-
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I don't think bumping up Firebringer (who I SR'ed) a tier is appeasing me.In post 534, Kop wrote:
Appeasing lich, why else would he change a read after being questioned on it?In post 533, skitter30 wrote:Yes, but who is he appeasing? Fire or lich?
p.edit if you quickhammered and Oka flipped green you'd probably be lynched. But I can see that strategy working for scum you.time will end-
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So if you feel that he is less than 50% to be scum, why are you still voting for him?In post 544, callforjudgement wrote:
I was expecting this. skitter seems to analyse the game in much the same way I do, and thus is likely to a) disagree with everything you're saying, but b) see that the reasoning behind it is consistent.In post 528, Firebringer wrote:
not what I was expecting. why?In post 526, skitter30 wrote:townlean but i don't particularly like it
Actually, the main thing I'm surprised at is that skitter hasn't complained abut my recent activity. I've been having problems finding things to say about this game because it feels like not much is happening; there have been lots of posts but I haven't seen much alignment-indicative in them, and not much that warrants really pointing it out. So I haven't been posting as much as I'd like, and I feel like skitter would have picked up on that?
My current read on OkaPoka is conflicted; I think he's more likely than random to be scum, but maybe less than 50% to be scum. I guess it's that his actions are blatantly scummy, but emotionally he feels more town. (@Firebringer: do you have an argument for OkaPoka as town? I'd be interested to see it, it may help me to gather my own thoughts on the matter.)
PEDIT: This is definitely singleball. Multiball is explicitly abNormal in Micros.
Why are you bringing up your activity level with reasons that aren't exactly worthy enough as an answer, and saying your surprised that skitter hasn't brought it up, why Skitter, why no one else?You'll Never Walk Alone!-
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Like I said, I could have been looking at in the wrong way.In post 563, TemporalLich wrote:
I don't think bumping up Firebringer (who I SR'ed) a tier is appeasing me.In post 534, Kop wrote:
Appeasing lich, why else would he change a read after being questioned on it?In post 533, skitter30 wrote:Yes, but who is he appeasing? Fire or lich?
p.edit if you quickhammered and Oka flipped green you'd probably be lynched. But I can see that strategy working for scum you.You'll Never Walk Alone!-
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Idk, kinda wanted to see if he'd have an interesting reaction to me saying that, and he didng really respond the first time so i repeated itIn post 560, Oversoul wrote:
What did you expect CFJ to say to this if he was scum buddying you?In post 557, skitter30 wrote:@cfj should i be worried that i'm starting to feel like ur buddying me?ShowHiatus once more.
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Prodding Firebringer (1d 13h) and Dunnstral (1d 21h). They have until (expired on 2019-07-10 23:15:00) to respond before I seek a replacement.
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I always like to have a vote out on my top scumread.In post 564, Kop wrote:So if you feel that he is less than 50% to be scum, why are you still voting for him?
It's hard to be more than 50% confident that someone is scum on Day 1, without flips. (It's fairly uncommon to lynch scum Day 1, although it happens.)
I don't believe in trying to keep things hidden as town (unless you'reWhy are you bringing up your activity level with reasons that aren't exactly worthy enough as an answer, and saying your surprised that skitter hasn't brought it up, why Skitter, why no one else?reallywidely townread, or have a mechanical certainty of being able to prove you're town, and want to keep things hidden in order to get reads). If you're being open with everyone, it's surprisingly hard to survive as scum without giving away your partners. So I like to do this as town precisely because it's hard to imitate as scum.
As for why skitter, I remembered skitter being particularly sensitive to activity levels. That might have been a misrememberence, but maybe I was thinking of #298. (I didn't check the source before making the post. Perhaps I should be?)scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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Oh, this is what I was thinking of. I just misremembered who it was who posted it.In post 418, Oversoul wrote:In general I find it suspicious when a player's activity changes, one way or another. If they go from posting a lot to posting a little, it seems like it could be scum who think they have secured the trust of the town. If they lurk and then DANGER appears causing them to become active, it could be scum doing some self-preservation.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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ircher I told u I was VLAShow"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown-
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im just saying for future reference im not going to townread anyone who defends meIn post 551, skitter30 wrote:
i don't get everything after point 2 thenIn post 549, OkaPoka wrote:I am preempting the what if firebringer is buddying argument-
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