LOST (Game Over)

[ProfessorDrapion]

So, who we killing

You

[ProfessorDrapion]

MisLim Bait didn’t visit anyone.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Interesting that scum didn't want to kill Luke until he was conftown'd. They considered him a bigger threat than the Masons, but not enough that he was a bigger threat than Bell.

Perhaps it had something to do with Bell’s reads.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Will you be able to talk to Dunn and Frog on day 3?

Potentially one of them. I only have one more shot.

There some reason you didn't find Mala's announcement weird or anything? They claimed they could talk to dead people and only really retracted it a lot later.

Ah Luke asked. Would rather you had used it both times first. Before saying anything it would have made you easier to read but oh well.

Could lead to Mala or Best Bird.
Best Bird theoretically could have killed last night because of the “don’t track same person twice rule” it’s not directly a rule more so as it’s not common and I don’t normally do it.

Mala I think looks worse though.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Alright so here’s my tracker actions:
N1:CSF - Action Failed
N2:Bella - Visited Bell
N3:Best Bird - Didn’t Visit
N4:MisLim Bait - Didn’t Visit

Still think Taly is cleared because of Bella’s push on them to pull the thread away from the math wagon.
Also still think Johnny is town and Doctor.

[ProfessorDrapion]

what happened to this game, how have i not been p-edited by 30 posts so far wtf

Your aware I caught Bella yes?

[ProfessorDrapion]

Yeah except we aren’t limming mala or best bird today. Especially bird since he’s our potential link with Luke.

Why are you town?
Why can’t we vote you today?

[ProfessorDrapion]

If Butterfly’s replaced Puppets they are town.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Yeah except we aren’t limming mala or best bird today. Especially bird since he’s our potential link with Luke.

Why are you town?
Why can’t we vote you today?

I don’t think RCE is scum here. I either currently tr or tl all but 5 slots rn. I’ve pretty much cleared almost everyone off Enchant wagon.

Who are those slots?

[ProfessorDrapion]

So I know people hate meta, but I read Newbie 2095 during the break and both Roden and Mala as town in that game played completely different than whatever they're doing here. Both were thoughtful and full of analysis, and both leader types, even on Mala's alt. Like I read Roden as hard town almost immediately and it never dropped.

Is it ridiculous to doubt the mason claims here? I get it could be town complacence being "confirmed" but holy shit, it's like a different person. If we have some way to confirm one way or the other, that would be great, though I'm guessing we do not at this point without a flip, and no need to flip a mason claim at this stage I think?

I'd ask both of them to step up their game if town. I dunno if Mala's trying to push a new goof around town meta or something, but there's so much lost compared to how both of them played in 2095.

Wasn’t going to mention Rad, but I don’t like that post at all.

I’m conflicted.
I’ll personally never track the mason claims but I don’t entirely fully trust them either.
There fine for now but I’d say that they both shouldn’t be alive in LYLO and they should always die after me and Johnny (Doctor) die.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Like they should always get nightkilled, if they make it to LYLO something is up.

Either that be mafia had the balls to bring them to LYLO or they were mafia that had to do last effort mason claim.

Bella’s reaction to the claim can go either way as they seem to have forgotten they claimed mason.

[ProfessorDrapion]

It is something to note there might be spew in the masons (either wolf or town) via looking at that Bella response.

@Rad
If you really want to get into that I suggest you start with Bella.

I’m still never voting there and will probably die before I consider it.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Wasn’t going to mention Rad, but I don’t like that post at all.

Mason claims are town because I strongly read Dwlee as town and they’re a package deal. Also like Roden’s posting.

That’s actually a fair point.
I’d agree Dwlee upon replace in looked real good.

[ProfessorDrapion]

VOTE: Malakittens

[ProfessorDrapion]

Wasn’t going to mention Rad, but I don’t like that post at all.

Mason claims are town because I strongly read Dwlee as town and they’re a package deal. Also like Roden’s posting.

That’s actually a fair point.
I’d agree Dwlee upon replace in looked real good.

Actually wait I think it was the player who replaced into Dwlee that looked good cause wasn’t it Dwlee that replaced out?
Idk I forgot all I remember I seeing someone replace into the other mason slot and really liked one of the posts they madeZ

[ProfessorDrapion]

VOTE: Rad

I don’t think it’s Rad.

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

[ProfessorDrapion]

Y’know Math’s Push on Blue really looked like distancing on second glance.

[ProfessorDrapion]

There’s always a reason to distance.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Plus it was obvious math was going over so since they knew this they also knew they could try and make a partner look better before they went over.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Least that’s my opinion here.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I’ve haven’t been paying much attention but I may track Pooky tonight.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Rainbows and Unicorns.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Flavor

Vote Count 5.1

4 Rad (butterchurn, MalcolmTucker, Best Bird, PookyTheMagicalBear)

3 MalcolmTucker (BlueBloodedToffee, Rad, Mislim Bait)

2 Bluebloodedtoffee (ProfessorDrapion, butterflies)
2 JohnnyFarrar (Cat Scratch Fever, Off the Hook)

1 Best Bird (Roden)

Not Voting (Cytosine and Guanine, Taly, Enchant, RCEnigma, Malakittens, Lukewarm, T-Bone, JohnnyFarrar)

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-08-13 19:28:13)

Mod Notes

i don't know who mail in is

Ew.

VOTE: MalcolmTucker

For the record, I don’t like the Johnny or Rad Wagon.
Johnny wagon I hate more so but I don’t like the Rad wagon either.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I think what bugs me more than anything about either Rad or Nancy is this like, obtuse indignance toward those suspecting them.

For Rad it's the "OK but do you have OTHER reasons to think I'm scum or just those?" And for Nancy it's the "Anyone with a brain can see I'm town here so the fact they're not looking elsewhere is obviously scum indicative"

My bad. I'll try harder to keep my emotions in check. I tend to get pissed off when people assign wrong emotions to me or reasoning that's just bullshit and I should just hold those reactions back. Like I don't just automatically read anyone as scum when I get read as scum, it depends how they do it, and it probably doesn't help anyone when I react openly to it.

TvT interaction!

[ProfessorDrapion]

Johnny is the Doctor even if you think he’s not.
Malcolm ain’t Doctor so he can die boys!

[ProfessorDrapion]

Remember I run this show!

[ProfessorDrapion]

I ran it and look what happen.
Saved Taly from being ML’ed and got rid of Math and Bella.
Your Welcome!

[ProfessorDrapion]

Maybe Pooky is a wolf maybe I’ll track them.

Kinda didn’t chose that great last two days as Best Bird and ML Bait ain’t be visiting.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Also Rad’s handling of EoD1 is very Townie and we know for a fact mafia was coasting, 2 of those coasters were Math and Bella.

Rad didn’t coast, his vote on Cephrir was very Townie mindset.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Like me make things very clear.

The only people I actually trust is Butterflies, Rad, Johnny and Taly.
Everyone else can die or be wagoned for all I care because 3 of everyone else is a wolf.

You are not voting any of those 4, chose another wagon.

[ProfessorDrapion]

If Malcom doesn’t satisfy you we can vote T-Bone or Hook.

Just not any of my top 4 town.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I VETO all 4.

[ProfessorDrapion]

If tbone is scum then pooky is scum. If tbone is town then pooky could still be scum. Flipping tbone probably doesn't make sense here if you doubt the pooky claim.

Wait what did Pooky claim?

[ProfessorDrapion]

Is anyone down for a Hook CFD?

[ProfessorDrapion]

Well it’s not a CFD but it’s a wagon switch.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Is anyone down for a Hook CFD?

Well it’s not a CFD but it’s a wagon switch.

No, absolutely not, I hard veto that. Did you even check out my links?

What about Best Bird whom I tracked to no one Night 3.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Apparently I had Rad and CSF as Wolf of Math flipped Wolf but I don’t think that now.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Is anyone down for a Hook CFD?

Well it’s not a CFD but it’s a wagon switch.

No, absolutely not, I hard veto that. Did you even check out my links?

What about Best Bird whom I tracked to no one Night 3.

I might be down for BB vote but what does you not tracking him to N3 have to do with anything? He didn't claim he targeted anyone with his skill.

Oh it doesn’t I was just stating if he is a wolf he no visited night 3.

[ProfessorDrapion]

quoted wrong post:

maybe Pooky

Maybe VETO Pooky, not maybe vote him.

I do want to re-bring up that Frog’s legacy was “If Math is a Wolf so is Pooky”.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I don’t directly agree with it but it was something he stated and I want to bring the thought back so we can remember it.

[ProfessorDrapion]

and if he's town he no visited n3...

if he’s town he can’t visit period.

[ProfessorDrapion]

He claimed a medium like role that only targets dead players.

[ProfessorDrapion]

and if he's town he no visited n3...

No way. I did what I said I would do?

Huh?

[ProfessorDrapion]

He claimed a medium like role that only targets dead players.

No I didn’t. I said that you would see me visiting a dead person.

I’m a neighborizer who can only target dead people..twice. Jesus.

No shit, that’s what I said.
Your a medium in the sense you talk to dead players.

[ProfessorDrapion]

and if he's town he no visited n3...

if he’s town he can’t visit period.

No shit. You’re still wrong.

Not really.
You chose a dead player to talk to at night.
That’s your ability you claim is it not?

[ProfessorDrapion]

You'd only spot him visiting a new target though right? You wouldn't spot him chatting with Ceph for example, who he's already targeted and has a PT with (supposedly). So BB who doesn't target someone new would be shown to not do anything right?

I don’t think he targeted a dead player night 3 cause I didn’t see it?

Really Depends how interactions work with targeting dead player.

BB targets let’s say Luke
I track BB

Not sure if I see him targeting dead player or not. Maybe but I don’t know if a tracker can see that.
I’m not hughly knowledgeable in how roles interact with each other and results you get.

[ProfessorDrapion]

@Johnny
I’d suggest in case wolves try and sweep you into an ML you may want to full on claim Doctor.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Bro I wolf read CSF since day 1 and my reasoning was legit them hard shielding MathBlade LOL.

Does that still apply now though? Who knows.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Also funny when I accused CSF THEY THOUGHT I WOLFREAD BELLA.
Lol, not at that time I didn’t but when they mentioned it I looked into it and ended up wolf reading them lol.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I feel like Dancing Puppets could potentially be scum on the basis of a lot of their recent posts. Feel like there's a lot of stuff about them not necessarily having particularly distinct reads/being willing to sheep despite the fact that they have been quite active anyway. For how much they've posted it feels like there's a real lack of content there.

Do you think scum just admits they're going to sheep at the beginning of the game?

Granted, I think both heads of the hydra are normally very headstrong about their reads.

It's a bit weird to see them both want to take a back seat.

Weird post - the question at Malcolm is challenging his read. But then you take the wind out of your sails with the last, bolded bit.

CSF flipping wolf also removes Mason being wolves Paranoia because this post is unaligned.

[ProfessorDrapion]

VOTE: Johnny

1788
And I feel like he hasn't really interacted/talked about his Frogster scumread even though he's been comfortably parked on that wagon for a long time.

There was allot of interactions with them and Johnny and it spews Johnny town so for any having doubt CSF spews allot of people if they are a wolf.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Ima townie brownie!

Also Johnny hard defended taly iirc

This also looks bad.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Actually, does Titus feel strongly about her MathBlade townread?

Math, why do you townread Cephrir? I thought his scumcase on Malcolm was meh, and the way the bolded was worded kind of rubs me the wrong way.

Spoiler:

Is there some question other than the quoted one that's being evaded here? It looks answered enough to me. This post feels to me like the conclusion ("I'm going to attack Roden now") came before the substance...

Roden can be interested in whatever he damn well feels like

And DNA hydra - what is there to townread there?

VOTE: Roden

Yeah this was an opportunity switch by CSF, also this spews Butterflies as town.


WOW
What’s this!?!?
CSF spews my town reads town???

W O W

[ProfessorDrapion]

I've hardcore skimmed the last however many pages and read MathBlade's ISO, and he just looks lost to me. Can you explain what were DNA's reads, and what are yours - I remember Bell and ...? Summarize the hood discussion for us plz, that might help me see why you're townreading DNA. Also how caught up are you

Is Klick still town? What's the VC? I don't know anything anymore

This maybe spews MB/Klick town but not as much as the rest.

Here’s a Math post though.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Spoiler: @ProfessorDrapion

A long time ago, he used to have dramatically different town and scum games, like as different as mine. I'm not sure if that's still the case after playing with flavor leaf so many times, but i gut townread his posts.

And the toads posts we're trending upwards before they repped out too

I've hardcore skimmed the last however many pages and read MathBlade's ISO, and he just looks lost to me. Can you explain what were DNA's reads, and what are yours - I remember Bell and ...? Summarize the hood discussion for us plz, that might help me see why you're townreading DNA. Also how caught up are you

Is Klick still town? What's the VC? I don't know anything anymore

Math are you a meta guy? 984 - I think Frogster is town, and around the time I posted that is when the Frogster wagon stalled (some ppl also TR'd him for the meds comment)

First one is about RCEnigma btw

As for the others, scum Math always seemed smoother to me, but I've seen multiple people say he reacts the same way emotionally under pressure so it's probably NAI

Math, why is Klick scum?

Yeah ok MB/Klick is Town.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I guess though this is all only if CSF is a wolf.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Actually no on second though CSF had a partner and won F5 in that game.
I TR’ed the one dude and he SR’ed me.
He TR’ed someone else that SR’ed him.
That someone else I SR’ed while they TR’ed me.

So CSF and their partner were just chilling in the back hoping we didn’t come to realize all 3 of us were town and won the game.

Spoiler:

It's not important, but I have no idea what you're talking about. Are you not confusing me with someone?

I only remember winning two scumgames before:

Pandamonium - we won with all 4 scum still alive
Masons and Mafia - I won in F3 after some spectacular distancing

BTW we were in Masons and Mafia game.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Not ducking me

I want taly dead
But I could be wrong

Ngl I’m p shit at d1. I’m better after a scum flip

But I know a lot of ppl I don’t want limmed right now

I could comprise on Johnny cuz who the fuck knows

Why is this town?

[ProfessorDrapion]

Drap's case on CSF is strong.

We kill this.
This spews CSF Town.

[ProfessorDrapion]

If they are a wolf.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I think Drap's the only one hardcore believing in town!Rad at this point.

What about yourself?

[ProfessorDrapion]

I don't mind a pooky track, and I don't mind those suspicious of them, but announcing it beforehand kind of defeats the purpose, yeah?

Pooky - Johnny unaligned.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Let me rephrase actually, they can both be town but never W/W.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Why is C&G town?

[ProfessorDrapion]

Hey Malcolm, do you lean scum on any of the following?

Mala, OTH, BB

I sure as hell won’t be dying before you,

Good luck with that

Why is this town?

[ProfessorDrapion]

We were talking more at the beginning of the game but haven't been doing so much at all lately.
~Cytosine

Been caught up with other shit sorry.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I’ll be honest I haven’t paid that much attention to this game after day 1.
I got a Bella check and was like “oh cool I was right!” then I outed it and made sure Bella went over.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Maybe I’ll track T-Bone or Pooky tonight.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Don't agree with frog about the Titus hydra for now, but can see where they are coming from.

Reassured cat is picking up the same vibes as me from galron

.

Think CSF is spewed town by this. Scum is usually likes to sheep a townie on a bad read.

No because I was Galron.

[ProfessorDrapion]

My previous slot owners name.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I didn't pay corwin a tonne of attention honestly.

I know part of Johnny/mala is lhf

, whatever, but the contributions they have made aren't great, and I remember the fact that they both kept popping in for page tops and it annoyed my more than anything they've actually said. Mala also did very similar in a recent game with math and Titus, in terms of engagement, I had the quite unpopular scum read on them day one and I was right.

Enchant is a meta read - really early game they felt like deptuy cultists but even when they've made contributions I just can't see any process/solve in their approach.

P-edit I guess I'll go back and look at corwin.

This is really interesting. Did Bella tmi slip one town between Johnny/Mala?

It’d probably be Johnny Town and Mala Wolf.

[ProfessorDrapion]

BTW kill Pooky if it’s day phase before MYLO/LYLO.

That way if Pooky flips Town, T-Bone is confirmed town and so mafia either have to night kill them or be forced to deal with a confirmed town in MYLO/LYLO

[ProfessorDrapion]

Excuse me std moar pics of Juliet pls

Vote Malcolm

[ProfessorDrapion]

Vote: Drapion

Them fighting words!

[ProfessorDrapion]

I like this wagon more than most of the others proposed.

VOTE: Mala

Exactly! Same!

[ProfessorDrapion]

Vote: Drapion

Them fighting words!

I'm literally waiting for you to answer one question.

Ah what is it? Must have missed it sorry.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Maybe I’ll track T-Bone or Pooky tonight.

Glad you're here. Why do you keep telling everyone Johnny is a doctor?

Oh this one?

No I’m not answering this.

[ProfessorDrapion]

All I can say is trust me on it.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Okay I think Drapion is scum with too much information lol

That’s a bad take lol.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I wouldn’t try and save them if I was a wolf lol.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I mean probably not, depends on the situation.

Point is don’t vote Johnny, I don’t want Rad over either and I think Pooky needs to die if it’s a day before XyLo.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I need you all to remember that message of don’t vote Pooky until day before XyLo and vote them exactly then. It is important.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Also question is Bellaphant a hard busser?
Meta Wise?

[ProfessorDrapion]

It bothers me that you think you know his role when the only place Johnny has discussed it is in our hood.

WDYM?

[ProfessorDrapion]

I said I figured out who the doctor is and I outed who it was.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Pretty sure this time I’ll track a wolf tonight.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Was on a roll pushing Math and Tracking Bella, need to get my flow back!

[ProfessorDrapion]

I am complicit in this tbone questioning

Your Protection from execution and for you to ensure the mafia have to kill your first before me.

[ProfessorDrapion]

VOTE: Mala

[ProfessorDrapion]

Mala/Malcolm should contain a wolf.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Flavor

Vote Count 5.3

5 MalcolmTucker (BlueBloodedToffee, Mislim Bait, Cytosine and Guanine)
5 Malakittens (Malakittens, Best Bird, Rad, butterchurn, ProfessorDrapion, butterflies)

2 Rad (MalcolmTucker, PookyTheMagicalBear)
2 JohnnyFarrar (Cat Scratch Fever, Off the Hook)

1 Bluebloodedtoffee (butterflies)
1 Cat Scratch Fever (JohnnyFarrar)
1 Best Bird (Roden)
1 ProfessorDrapion (T-Bone)

Not Voting (Taly, RCEnigma)

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-08-13 19:28:13)

Mod Notes

Now those are good wagons.
Mala/Malcolm I’m confident contain a wolf.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Let's kill a mason and then coroner to be sure

I seriously hope this post is in jest. If not, you’re extremely lucky Pooky towncleared you.

he's joking/baiting i think lol

With him or Drap, I have a very difficult time being able to determine that. I think Pooky is really obvious town now and Drap seriously suggested we lim him before elo.

I would prefer to lim slots that I think could actually be scum.

No let me clarify.

The reason you should ONLY and EXACTLY vote Pooky the day before XyLo is this:
1) Could be a wolf going through deepwolf Territory and Frog was right on Pooky
2) If Pooky is Town, T-Bone is confirmed town which forces mafia to either kill them or we get a free IC into XyLo which is very good for us.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Hmm.
VOTE: Malcolm

[ProfessorDrapion]

Rad is town, trust me.

[ProfessorDrapion]

The way he approached EoD1 wasn’t how a wolf would.
Look at Bella and Math’s EoD1 compared to Rad’s then get back to me.


Remember wolves know that it was a TvT wagon.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I mean everyone’s ignoring the elephant in the room when Bella basically tagged you into trying to be coached on how to claim her role

Pardon me?
Are you referring to me?

[ProfessorDrapion]

Mala/Malcolm I’m confident contain a wolf.

I don't think that Mala self-votes if she is scum.
-Guanine

I mean I’ve done it as wolf before, what stops mala?

[ProfessorDrapion]

@butterflies can you tell me what the difference is between Town!Hook to Wolf!Hook?

[ProfessorDrapion]

Actually if Mala is a wolf it will spew Rad town for everyone.

VOTE: Mala

[ProfessorDrapion]

Not interested in voting Mala today

Johnny or maybe Malcolm

No not Johnny.

[ProfessorDrapion]

2. My voting record is reasonable. I voted Taly D1 when we know Ceph was town. I get

Taly is likely town but that cannot be 100% guaranteed

- what is an absolute guarantee is that I voted to save someone who turned out to be a confirmed townie.

Yeah once you said this I stopped reading and said “this can dis”

Math and Bella spew Taly!Town hard.

Bella hard pushed Taly and Math joined in I believe.

[ProfessorDrapion]

2. My voting record is reasonable. I voted Taly D1 when we know Ceph was town. I get

Taly is likely town but that cannot be 100% guaranteed

- what is an absolute guarantee is that I voted to save someone who turned out to be a confirmed townie.

Yeah once you said this I stopped reading and said “this can dis”

Math and Bella spew Taly!Town hard.

Bella hard pushed Taly and Math joined in I believe.

“This can die”*

[ProfessorDrapion]

Bella can you explain your town read on me? We had a super difficult time town reading each other in our previous game. Is it a vibe thing here or is there something specific that stood out to you?

Actually everyone read this post.
This is unaligned with Bella.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Holy shit I try to catch up, come in and it's on page 106, and I read everything starting from 95ish? and it's 6 more pages while I'm reading.

I mean I'm actually super happy how much happens in this game but it felt like I would never catch up...

So we're voting Mathblade Luke? I wanted to vote DP but I do think the corwin slot has a strong chance of flipping red. DP slot has bothered me the entire game and I'm finally feeling a strong scum read on it.

VOTE: Mathblade

This is a Good Vote.

I upset scum!Corwin terribly as town!Rad, so much that he called me out after the game. His emotions are just legit emotions from a person with legit time problems and I believe he would absolutely get upset at people calling him out on inactivity regardless of his alignment.

Another good read towards Math.

I no longer think even a ceph flip can heal this town. There's too much bullshit where likely town players believe so hardcore in their reads and care so little about other players that they are willing to trash the shit out of everyone who gets in their way. I don't know how much I even want to interact here anymore. Sincerely. If this is just a common large game issue, I doubt I'll ever join another one.

VOTE: ceph

This is where they vote Ceph, then this was a good thought process before it,

I no longer think even a ceph flip can heal this town. There's too much bullshit where likely town players believe so hardcore in their reads and care so little about other players that they are willing to trash the shit out of everyone who gets in their way. I don't know how much I even want to interact here anymore. Sincerely. If this is just a common large game issue, I doubt I'll ever join another one.

VOTE: ceph

I want people to justify their

Ceph

townread.

I still want this addressed. I'm failing to see the town perspective from

Ceph's

play here and a no elimination will resolve very little, and indirectly posits that

Ceph

is town.

Sure I'll answer your question.

I believe a town!Ceph recognized the game state was terrible for town. We're just spinning our wheels constantly in different directions with no real cohesion. We've got PRs announcing left and right and surely more to come with more new wagons. Many people were openly stating how long d1 is dragging on and how they hated it. Most people are stating that the game is too fast and they can't keep up, so most people aren't even reading the entire thread at this point and just coming to conclusions anyway because if they don't, people scum read them for it. So many people are being toxic as fuck and shouting at each other making no real progress on anything. I think town!Ceph decided enough was enough and got his top town reads to decide who should be eliminated and made his move.

Or a scum!Ceph I guess could be diverting attention from a frog or mala vote by putting himself in the crossfire and hoping we all come to the town!Ceph conclusion?

I gotta lean toward the more straight forward answer of town!Ceph.

That said, again, I'll vote ceph over taly here if I choose to vote because an any alignment ceph flip at least heals town and a town!Taly flip absolutely destroys it. I don't think we see a scum flip in either of the 2 options so I'd only go for that if I conclude that it's just the smarter town move due to "stats/theory reasons", or if I convince myself that this town needs a ceph flip to progress.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Could probably find more spew of Rad being unaligned or uninformed.


Anyone who thinks Taly can still be a wolf is lol as I think they also pushed Math pretty hard.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Malcolm arguably looks worse then Mala but it could be vice versa here.

[ProfessorDrapion]

rofl

if im still around at xylo i might off myself

huh?
No you should off yourself ONLY the day before XyLo not at XyLo.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Meh, not feeling great about Malcolm flipping scum

VOTE: Johnny

VOTE: Johnny

r we finally killing johnny and not pretending he's a doctor anymore?

lit

VOTE: Johnny

NO!
I WILL DEATHTUNNEL A PLAYER ON THE WAGON IF HE GOES OVER!

[ProfessorDrapion]

I know my town and this is my town:
Taly, Rad, Butterflies and Johnny

[ProfessorDrapion]

Mala/Malcolm contains a wolf trust me, I haven’t been wrong.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I need Johnny to protect me and the wolves want to miss execute the Doctor so they can avoid having to take their sweet time and just get rid of me right after.



Let’s fuck up mafia’s head and force them to have to kill Johnny at night!!!!!

[ProfessorDrapion]

Mala/Malcolm contains a wolf trust me, I haven’t been wrong.

The only way I’m wrong on this is if the masons/Pooky is a wolf.


It’s common process of elimination logic that I have acquired from 6 years of super advanced mafia experience.

[ProfessorDrapion]

It's like the show, the monster comes out at night and secretly kills five of us who become the scum team from D2 onward

there's no way frogster believes this shit

BRO I’M TELLING YOU.


Each post I’ve been looking at or almost every post I look at from him scream wolf.

bro i was on changeling island with you lol

Yeah I was wrong on Frog with you so what?
I knew him and math contained a wolf just like I’m confident in Mala/Malcolm doing the same just as I was confident in Bella being wolf but no one fucking believed me and said “idk Bella been Townie lol” like no they are a wolf that’s what Bella is.

[ProfessorDrapion]

T-Bone I’m not really liking your slot RN.

You aren’t doing anything about the Johnny 3 new votes for his wagon, despite you showing concern thinking I’m wolf and you thinking he’s town from your chat or whatever and I got some “TMI” or some shit of whatever the hell your thinking.

I’d expect you to get off the chair, go onto your keyboard and tell everyone that Johnny is town and that mafia will eventually have to night kill them but no, you aren’t doing that and guess what,

That makes you more of a wolf T-Bone

Why’s that?

Well because your doing 2 things here that resolve with 1 conclusion if your a wolf.

That conclusion is simple: Night kill me tonight

There is 2 things you can do

1)Make sure Doctor Johnny gets miss eliminated.
Or
2)Make sure you talk to Doctor Johnny in that chat and convince him not to protect me tonight.



BUT GUESS WHAT
YOU CAN’T TOUCH ME.
I AM A GOD


Johnny won’t be executed on my watch and he WILL be protecting me to night.


IDGAF if you don’t like it your gonna have to NIGHTKILL JOHNNY.
You don’t have a choice in the matter because I’m in charge of this thread.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I haven’t been wrong.

just reminding you that you can be wrong lol

I can sure but I haven’t been.
I knew Frog/Math contained a wolf and sure I wolf read Bell and had him in my wolf PoE but I also had Bella in there as well.

[ProfessorDrapion]

You’re never confirmed town to be bb.

Anyway…I have Covid. I’m going to do my best to show up tomorrow but powerelim mala for me anyway.

Did you just…..
Did you just steal the line T-Bone said to me during like day 3?

[ProfessorDrapion]

I’m doing strategics

[ProfessorDrapion]

Guys

I don’t wanna die anymore

I’m in a better mood now I swear

After I slept for a while ya know and cooled down

Maf chat tell you to live?

[ProfessorDrapion]

VOTE: JOhny

Did Math tell you to vote there?
Tell him to vote himself tomorrow after you go over.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I mean T-Bone.

Idk why I keep thinking T-Bone is Math lol.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I don’t really agree with a CSF or a BB scum tbh

I prob won’t vote there.

I actually can see the compelling case for town!rad

What’s that?
T-Bone is a Godfather and one of those two are the wolves?

[ProfessorDrapion]

Flavor

Vote Count 5.5

4 MalcolmTucker (BlueBloodedToffee, Mislim Bait, Cytosine and Guanine, PookyTheMagicalBear)
4 Malakittens (Best Bird, Rad, ProfessorDrapion, MalcolmTucker)
4 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, Cat Scratch Fever, butterchurn, Malakittens)

1 Cat Scratch Fever (JohnnyFarrar)
1 Best Bird (Roden)
1 Mislim Bait (T-Bone)

Not Voting (Taly, RCEnigma, butterflies)

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-08-13 19:28:13)

Mod Notes

Prodding Mislim Bait
Prodding BlueBloodedToffee
Replacing Taly

Johnny is Town Doctor.
I explained how I’m a literal GOD at MAFIA.
I know what I’m doing, we keep that man alive.

You don’t have to townread him, just townread me and trust what I’m telling you to do, I’m a GOD.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I think I know who the teammates are, I’m 100% confident and will reveal them tomorrow.

@Johnny just stay healing on me regardless of what that T-Bone says to you.

Mala is a wolf, I’m sure of it.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I think wagon dynamics today strongly suggest one of Malcolm or Mala is scum.
~Cytosine

Yeah I literally said that ages ago.
I think your probably town though from how things are going down here.

[ProfessorDrapion]

….

You surprised town is stomping on mafia?


Don’t be.

I’m a GOD, I’m more powerful then the entire mafia team.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Mala being the wolf and Malcolm being the town locks the game for me BTW.
I’ll tell you the exact team with Mala next day phase.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I legit won a recent Micro just by shooting both mafia the two nights.
Idk why the host gave me an infinite shot Vig and named it “Town Serial Killer” but it was amazing.
I guess the downside was I appear as third party to investigatives but still I have full control of killing with no reason not to shoot lol.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I think I’m going to track Blue tonight.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Oh Crap!
That was suppose to be in my role PM!!!

REEEEE

[ProfessorDrapion]

Mala being the wolf and Malcolm being the town locks the game for me BTW.
I’ll tell you the exact team with Mala next day phase.

Let's say mala flips red here. Who's the team? Why wait?

I want to discuss it tomorrow for a reason I can’t explain today.


Trust in me, I am a GOD.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Mala!Wolf flip wins this game.
That’s all I’ll say.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Guys

I don’t wanna die anymore

I’m in a better mood now I swear

After I slept for a while ya know and cooled down

Maf chat tell you to live?

I’m frustrated with the fact players aren’t looking at others closely like they should and deciding to go after LHF rather than others.

LOL.
That is why I pushed you.
Johnny is town doctor LHF and Rad was Town that was in the verge of being ML’ed so to stop it I was looking at the playerlist and determined You/Malcolm contain a wolf.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I also looked at flip interactions and I’ve been clearing Rad have you not read them?

“Frustration”
Sure dude, idk if I buy it when you don’t actually look for what you want.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Like seriously man go ISO me, I’ve commented on some interactions of Rad’s with flipped wolves that make him very likely town.

[ProfessorDrapion]

We could flip Drap too

We could tie you up to a tree and hand Roden a gun with your name on it.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Both options that won’t happen.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I mean I’d rather Johnny be night killed then allow Mafia to ML them here so lol.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I don’t really agree with a CSF or a BB scum tbh

I prob won’t vote there.

I actually can see the compelling case for town!rad

What’s your read on Malcolm?

[ProfessorDrapion]

Wait what if we just….


Voted Blue.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Actually no Mala is still the best Yeet as it still reveals mafia even if town.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I narrowed down where the mafia are, they can’t escape me.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Plus Johnny knows I’m town cause they saved me from mafia Night 3, (or at least I assume they did)

So let me make this clear.

You wanna vote Johnny you can vote me instead.
Johnny won’t be an ML for wolves I’ll force wolves to night kill Johnny.

[ProfessorDrapion]

What about this instead?

VOTE: Cytosine and Guanine

What about voting Mala with your mason buddy or talk with them about it?

[ProfessorDrapion]

We could flip Drap too

Honestly wouldn't be opposed to this.
~Cytosine

Let’s not throw.

[ProfessorDrapion]

(Disclaimer: That's not a serious option I'd consider right now, but I'm still kinda suspicious of ProfessorDrapion.)
~Cytosine

Well when I take down 2 more wolves you won’t be sus of me anymore.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Still think Mala is the best vote here.
I apologize to Mala if they are feeling stressed out because of me but I deeply want this over.
Just like how I wanted Math/Frog to go over.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I wouldn’t oppose to Blue as I can definitely see Math use them as a distancing tactic plus I have no other reason to think their town other then math voting them which doesn’t really clear them.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Like IDK if you guys noticed but I’m the reason a wolf died and I was a main pusher on a wolf that we got together (Math)

Plus I got allot more to show for me being town if y’all wanna test me.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Wait, I thought Dunn was a Mason?

BBT shot Dunn because he thought Dunn was a mason you heard it here first

Turns out the scum team is made up of 5 different players that did not remember who the masons were.

BBT + Bella + ????

Yeah ok I’m not longer convinced on Mala fuck this shit.

I read Luke’s ISO and Bell’s ISO and they hard point to not only Johnny but also Malcolm being ML Bait and mafia is trying to force town into the neighbours as well as it also points to BBT being a wolf as they both went after them.

[ProfessorDrapion]

VOTE: BBT

@Mala
@Malcolm
Yo if I’m wrong and you guys are actually both town vote this.

@Johnny
@Rad
You guys are town and you need to stop wolf agenda, vote this.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Why not see what Mala comes up with when leashed to provide a result on a specific target?

How’s about a BBT vote?

[ProfessorDrapion]

Scum obviously have some sort of strongman then.

BBT, why is there no paranoia of a Bella fake claim here?

Then check this out T-Bone

[ProfessorDrapion]

have you ever seen an ungated strongman on this site y/n?

why would scum even shoot bella at night if they have an ungated strongman

Have you ever seen an ungated strongman?

lol

LOL

[ProfessorDrapion]

@Tbone

Spoiler:

Maybe this makes my stance more clear:

Thoughts if Bella flips scum

Does

Town!Drap

, upon seeing Bella visit the night kill, out that to the thread.

Absolutely.

Does

Scum!Drap

come out with a guilty check on his partner today?

Probably not.

---

Conclusion:

If Bella flips scum, Drap is likely town, and I would probably not reconsider unless he is alive at elo

Thoughts if Bella flips Town

Does

Town!Drap

, upon seeing Bella visit the night kill, out that to the thread.

Absolutely.

Does

Scum!Drap

, upon seeing Bella visit the night kill, out that to the thread.

Absolutely.

---

Conclusion:

If Bella flips Town, then revealing means little for his alignment, and we are back to judging him off of his play

I am distinctly disagreeing with you, that in the world of Bella flipping town, it means that drap is more likely to be scum because he revealed the Bella track.

Town!Drap reveals the Bella track, regardless of Bella's alignment.

You forget about this? Sir T-Bone.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Also despite Math voting BBT, BBT stayed voting Cyto that entire day.
BBT!Wolf clears that Cyto hydra.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Also when I tracked Bella and voted them.

BBT was never voting Bella despite my red check.

[ProfessorDrapion]

No reason for Blue not to vote a wolf especially when one was hard pushing them.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Plus the other one was red checked and the dude still didn’t wanna vote a wolf.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Scum obviously have some sort of strongman then.

BBT, why is there no paranoia of a Bella fake claim here?

Then check this out T-Bone

I'd vote BBT

BBT and I were both town in C9++, and we literally saw a scum fakeclaim doctor - this was around the same time Bella claimed doc. In C9++, BBT was less hesitant to doubt Enchant's doctor claim, and ultimately even voted Enchant.

Spoiler: Posts from C9++

Subject: Open 859 - C9++ - Postgame

Aw my pagetop.

I am Doctor.

Subject: Open 859 - C9++ - Postgame

VOTE: Enchant

Hoping to wake up to a hammer.

Subject: Open 859 - C9++ - Postgame

Enchant has been eliminated. They were a

Mafia Roleblocker

.

It is now Night 1. The night deadline is in (expired on 2022-07-25 21:12:56).

The night can end early if all living players agree.

Then vote them.

[ProfessorDrapion]

VOTE: BBT

Ah, one step ahead of me I see/

[ProfessorDrapion]

I’m kind of getting buddy interactions with Corwin. Corwin engaged with BBT problem more than he did Frogs but on a very friendly way’

Thing was.
I’d expect BBT to vote Math when Math pushed them but BBT didn’t.
Like he didn’t want Math to go over

[ProfessorDrapion]

Just the 4 at the moment?

Light work. Keep going guys, you can do it.

Been trying to mislim me from Day One. It's not happening.

Executing a wolf isn’t a MisLim.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I still think Butterflies can be scum, I think CSF could be scum as well but I felt like Bella's read on CSF discounted this a bit.

Aw don’t even wanna challenge me?
That’s no fun.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I feel CSF and Malcolm have decent partner equity.

I feel you and Blue have decent partner equity

[ProfessorDrapion]

Sorry Luke I’m probably voting Malcolm today. Town!Malcolm though means it’s likely scum are tied together on one of the other 4 vote wagons as of right now.

Idk I’m beginning to think Malcolm is a town and that wolves are trying to put pressure in the neighbour claims because there is either 1 or none wolves left in the neighbour claims.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Flavor

Vote Count 2.4

12 Mathblade (Bell, Taly, RCEnigma, ProfessorDrapion, butterchurn, Cat Scratch Fever, MalcolmTucker, Rad, PookyTheMagicalBear, Best Bird, Off the Hook, Bellaphant)

4 Cytosine and Guanine (BlueBloodedToffee, T-Bone, Lukewarm, JohnnyFarrar)

2 Bluebloodedtoffee (Mathblade, Roden)

1 MalcolmTucker (Mislim Bait)
1 Enchant (Dancing Puppets)
1 Dancing Puppets (Enchant)

Not Voting (Malakittens, Cytosine and Guanine)

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-30 19:22:50)

Mod Notes

butterchurn replaces Dwlee99
Replacing Mathblade
Taly V/LA

Oh yeah you definitely voted Math!!

[ProfessorDrapion]

You wanna lie about voting Bella too?

[ProfessorDrapion]

I’m kind of getting buddy interactions with Corwin. Corwin engaged with BBT problem more than he did Frogs but on a very friendly way’

Thing was.
I’d expect BBT to vote Math when Math pushed them but BBT didn’t.
Like he didn’t want Math to go over

I did vote Math

Thing is you didn’t vote them when they started to hard going for you.
IDC if you voted them day 1 if that’s what your talking about, that day 1 shit isn’t AI in regards to voting them.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Johnny my man!!
What’s up?

[ProfessorDrapion]

What's up drap

Nothing much other then voting a wolf.

[ProfessorDrapion]

You talking about another game yet again as if it has any relevance on this game whatsoever?

This statement is LOl.

[ProfessorDrapion]

You can hard disagree all you like. Your meta reads this game have been garbage and you tried to use meta to read me and it was equally as bad.

Just because we thought the same thing it doesn't make us the same alignment. Especially when me thinking was way out there simply based on the fact I wanted Bella to be town more than anything actually content based.

I've scum read your slot for the majority of the game.

These points don't line up. In the first part, you're talking as if they're town who is playing badly (their reads so far this game are bad, therefore their read on you is equally bad). But in the second part, you are saying that you read them as scum. The almost condescending tone you're using here doesn't make sense if you're talking to someone that you actually scumread, unless you were talking about how they were playing badly

as scum

. Nowhere in this conversation does it actually feel like you think you are talking to scum or that you want them to be eliminated.

This is compelling

No it's not.

Alright GF we can vote you next.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Because you're equating the "meta is trash" stance with "this is why I think X about alignment" stance. They are two separate thoughts and BBT clearly wrote them as separate thoughts.

Why not talk to Johnny I’m Neighbourhood about it?
Seems your trying to either cause damage on the poor butterfly and give Blue the mushroom to level up as a form of protection.
I won’t let either happen, I got the star.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Because you're equating the "meta is trash" stance with "this is why I think X about alignment" stance. They are two separate thoughts and BBT clearly wrote them as separate thoughts.

Why not talk to Johnny I’m Neighbourhood about it?
Seems your trying to either cause damage on the poor butterfly and give Blue the mushroom to level up as a form of protection.
I won’t let either happen, I got the star.

Because I call Johnny scum in the neighborhood, so we're too busy for discussing bad takes.

So your Godfather?
Got it!

[ProfessorDrapion]

Can I interest you in Best Bird

Hmm you might be thinking what I’m thinking.

[ProfessorDrapion]

why is this day still going

Because you haven’t voted BBT yet.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I’m sorry, but I don’t think we are thinking on the same line of thought.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I might as well lay it out though. Drap calling Johnny a doctor makes me think he has too much info because I have a protective role and claimed to have one to Johnny early. I said I protected Drap after the Bella flip. There's a paranoid part of me that Johnny and Drap have been discussing these things in a Mafia PT, leading to Drap calling Johnny a doctor in this thread.

T-Bone is claiming to be the Doctor?
Why did he out?

[ProfessorDrapion]

Also why aren’t we voting BBT?

[ProfessorDrapion]

Wait idk I just seen someone voting Mala I need a VC

[ProfessorDrapion]

Also why aren’t we voting BBT?

I think BBT is a bad vote.

You didn’t think this before.

[ProfessorDrapion]

GUYS THIS IS THE MOST PURE WAGON.

WHO’S VOTING ON BBT?
ME, BOTH MASONS AND COUNTER WAGON

It’s sure and the hell more trust worthy then the counter wagon Mala who most definitely has a wolf on them.


You guys think a wolf is going to vote another wolf like this?
No they are probably not, BBT is a wolf it’s easy to see by Votecount.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I might as well lay it out though. Drap calling Johnny a doctor makes me think he has too much info because I have a protective role and claimed to have one to Johnny early. I said I protected Drap after the Bella flip. There's a paranoid part of me that Johnny and Drap have been discussing these things in a Mafia PT, leading to Drap calling Johnny a doctor in this thread.

Hmm, i thought BBT was softing doc, that's why I named him my less preferred lim today the last time I opened the thread

If he was trying to as a scum tactic then it confirms both T-Bone and Johnny as town from his wolf flip.

[ProfessorDrapion]

WDYM CSF?
Elaborate a bit more.

[ProfessorDrapion]

BBT!Wolf makes C&G!Town.
Remember this.

[ProfessorDrapion]

BBT!Wolf spews C&G, T-Bone, Johnny AND Mala town to a lesser extent Mala since both wolves being voted is possible.

[ProfessorDrapion]

BBT!town makes Drap scum, am I right?

LOL nice try.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Can you explain why you think Johnny is a doc?

Johnny is town end of discussion.


Who do I think the team is?

You/Best Bird/BBT

[ProfessorDrapion]

No, it does.

You're so sure I'm scum so when I flip green you can eat an elim.

LOL.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Remember CSF/Best Bird very likely team to a BBT!Wolf
C&G/T-Bone/Johnny aren’t ever a team with BBT and Mala probably ain’t either.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Fuck me man.

UNVOTE: bbt

I think I know why he’s saying he won’t be limmed.

I’ll let myself be flipped before him or before he claims

Which means JF is prob scum

VOTE: jf

NM we can just vote this over.

[ProfessorDrapion]

VOTE: Johnny

Do you guys find yourself incapable of ever in your life seeing wolf agenda and ML wagons???

[ProfessorDrapion]

I might be talking to wolves so I guess they don’t care lol.

[ProfessorDrapion]

No but actually if you think CSF/Best Bird/BBT are all town
You guys need help.

[ProfessorDrapion]

That’s why I’m here to save you guys and carry.
If it wasn’t for me being an absolute GOD, you guys would have Bella in your Towncore right now.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Yeah maybe I’m being a bit too harsh.
Sorry but I want to win this game.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Hey guys guess what.

[ProfessorDrapion]

BBT wagon is pure.

[ProfessorDrapion]

VOTE: CSF

no opposed in theory - am opposed to starting brand new wagons that don't have support

I mean if you also wanna vote that wagon I’ll vote with you.

Maybe we can make a CSF (-) BBT wagons.

[ProfessorDrapion]

fine fine - let's see.

VOTE: csf

mala on luke tonight if she lives.

VOTE: csf