Pg. 15!
In post 352, Zulfy wrote: In post 334, Aristophanes wrote:
Trivium Wagon breakdown:
Zulfy: Quotes me, twice. Points out a discrepancy in my Keyser read (though not really, as it was a progression within the same post, but I digress). Then votes Triv without mentioning him?? Weird. Maybe scum slipping a vote in slyly? I don't think so though. I'm not null on this post, I'm torn on it. No ranking available at this time.
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Ohey, finally a vote-reason from Zulf. It's...meh. Doesn't really make me feel either way on him. I don't like it when I am conflicted for too long and it generally degrades to a null-scum read because town are more pushy and scum more null a lot of the time. I think that's a good spot for Zulf right now in fact. He also then comments on the fact that we can finally put some pressure on somebody, woohoo, but refrains from doing so himself. Yep, that pushes him firmly into a scumlean. cool.
How about walking me through that progression then?
I don't refrain from doing anything, I voted Trivium because I believe him to be scum and saw a good-looking wagon on the guy, I wanted to see how he would react to an L1 on him, his reaction hasn't satisfied me, although it apparently has for the rest of the wagon.
To everyone: I'll give a wider read tomorrow on things.
I think this is one of the things you asked me about. So, my posts (in case you couldn't discern this) generally are a progressive process in which I make my current thoughts known. If they change throughout, I don't go back and edit out previous thoughts, as that is not helpful later on. I started off the post thinking it was more scummy than not. I later was alerted to his other game instances, and thus nulled that part of my post. I don't see the issue here.
In post 354, makara wrote:@Trivium, do you have any completed scum games and if so pls link me to them?
Also, how would you read your play as an observer?
This is an odd question. What was the point of it?
If Blue ends up being scum, take a close look at JarJar.
They seem linked, yet purposefully distanced.
Trivium's vote on Lapsa is opportunistic and survivalist. I'm not sure whether this is more towny or scummy, but I want to read it as the latter.
Pg. 16
In post 383, Zulfy wrote:Thinking things over, I DO mind a lynch on bluemoon, he hasn't even been lurking, inactive is the better word.
I mean, this is basically my play at this point too. What gives BMR a pass where I get a scumlean?
Also, the post about Triv getting more leniency than Blue (forgot to quote it) - do you think this is because scum tried to fight the wagon or at least give their buddy some space, whereas BMR got them to pile in? Just a note for later mostly, but could be important.
JarJar's push to BMR L-1 is fine with me. His reasons are sound enough.
In post 400, Keyser Söze wrote:We need:
- someone to post 'intent to hammer'
- BlueMoonRising to post a defence or anything that looks like scum-hunting
- are we happy with BlueMoonRising's defence/reads?
- YES? we unvote.
- NO? BlueMoonRising roleclaims.
Are we going to spend the next 4 days talking about a player who isn't posting, or can't defend himself?
That is not productive.
Let's look at the active players.
However, if we are still in the same position as we are now with 12-18 hours left on the clock, I will fully support the BlueMoonRising lynch - I wouldn't give a f*** if he's town anymore, or if he even is the 4-shot Bulletproof Jack-of-all-Trades Innocent Townie.
This reads town-oriented to me, though I think there are aspects that are not the greatest. Wanting to avoid hammer is towny in theory, and his reasons are sound. I am of a different viewpoint (if they are scum and you're fairly certain, just lynch it already).
Not as much to comment on here. Glad we got a replacement of BMR since he flaked. Greyfoxx is still off due to being a new parent.
Pg. 17
In post 435, AngryPidgeon wrote:Great. Im glad your thoughtful consideration of my post led you to the insight that we are going to clash.
This is good. Combined with the catchup, I like you.
@Performer,
What about AP's entry do you not like?
What is scummy there?
Pg. 19 ( yes, I'm speeding up a bit to finish this. I'm still reading everything, just not everything is as commeny-able without a certain amount of hindsight.
In post 453, JarJarDrinks wrote:UNVOTE:
Angrys catchup is like watching a recap of my thought progression this game in fast forward. We seem to be very much on the same page. Don't want to lynch the slot anymore.
Why do you have to keep doing this.
Similar thoughts are not a good reason to townread someone. I agree that I like his posts. Like, a lot thus far. But it shouldn't be the only reason to switch from a push as if scum to a townread. (I know you don't say it's a townread, but it is heavily implied by this post, especially when your past reads are taken into account).
Tools, did you go over the Isos of the 4 you mentioned (Myself, Perf, AP/BMR, and Gramr)?
What did this get you reads-wise?
zulfy raises a few good points here in his posts. I'd like to see them addressed.
Bad play =/= scummy play for one.
I would like to point out that there is a difference between agreeing and buddying. Not that I thought you were doing the latter.
Aaaaaand we're at my catchup posts!!!!!!!
I did it!!!!!!
XD
I guess I'll include Pg. 20 in this (to this point)
Zulf, I addressed that in this post. Do you still see the progression as faked or...?
Makara not knowing where his vote is honestly reads as town for me. If they were scum I'd assume them to be much more aware of a detail like this.
In post 478, Lapsa wrote: In post 477, makara wrote:I looked through Triv's past scumgame and his playstyle seems pretty similar here
did same and i disagree, makara
Is this....actual words, in a decently coherent sentence, from Lapsa!?!?
I'd like this to continue.
Lapsa, what did you see in past scumgames that differs from what you see here?
Makara, what was the same as here from those games?
I will be online this evening.