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VOTE: Myloninja13
I hate when people have names that refer to Mafia itself.
I will never allow you to get anywhere close to MYLO.
...and why Myloninja13? Had twelve other people been named Myloninja so far? Are you trying to trigger someone's triskaidekaphobia? I think adding numbers to any username is internet-kitschy.
Please ignore the fact that I have a hydra with Titus called Schrodinger's Mislynch. At the very least, it's not Schrodinger_Mislynch91 or something.
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I also realize now that, to those who probably don't get the joke, this hydra username might be read as 'Vart Sun' which is kind of the saddest epiphany I've had in awhile.
The joke is that my main account is Varsoon and that 'tsun' is pronounced similarly to 'soon'. 'Tsun', here, also refers to the 'tsundere' archetype, which describes a character who is initially cold but harbors romantic feelings to someone else.
It's not like I wanted to be in this hydra or anything, you idiot.
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Why so quick to pile onto Human Sequencer when there were a handful of other wagons you could've sheeped?
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Actually, this is me,
Taly, andVarsoon. A squid and a kid is only an 80% accurate analogy of us.
Join the
Mylovote and you won't think everyone is so weird?
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It's been 2 days and we're still on page 1? Ewwww...
Where's your vote?In post 15, Myloninja13 wrote:
Lol, Mylo is a nickname, ninja came out of nowhere tbh and 13 is my lucky number. I use it on almost every site I'm on.In post 4, Vartsun wrote:VOTE: Myloninja13
I hate when people have names that refer to Mafia itself.
I will never allow you to get anywhere close to MYLO.
...and why Myloninja13? Had twelve other people been named Myloninja so far? Are you trying to trigger someone's triskaidekaphobia? I think adding numbers to any username is internet-kitschy.
Please ignore the fact that I have a hydra with Titus called Schrodinger's Mislynch. At the very least, it's not Schrodinger_Mislynch91 or something.
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Anyway, nice to see this has started! I haven't played Splatoon much, but the few times I have I enjoyed it!
Caught already? Damn it.In post 16, Human Sequencer wrote:sup skitter
i don't remember were you scum or town in that newbie game
i could look it up but i'm lazy
tfw in a game that gamma emerald is also in and can't vote gamma emerald for rvs cuz he's the mod
what tragic times we live in
VOTE: vartsun
hydra means confscum
But I mean, are you going to even look at the wagon that was placed on you?
1)If you're unsure of the playerlist, you could do something to gauge for a reaction.
2)I was gauging to see how you'd feel about jumping on a wagon this early in the game.
3)I like that you questioned me.
Who is this? XD I'm pretty serious about getting worthwhile discussion going.In post 19, Lycanfire wrote:Taly is a fan of mislynching and losing. You might think they're joking. They're serious about this.
Thoughts on theAusuka wrote:wagons in rvs are good things.LycanfireandVartsunwagon?
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Because...?In post 25, Ausuka wrote:lycanfire wagon is meh, nothing AI.
your hydra might be scum though.
VOTE: Vartsun
Also, why not try and engage withLycanfire?
I want to hear him respond to us.In post 26, skitter30 wrote:
I was getting some gut townpings from HS's at post but I didn't know where it stemmed from, but after you said this I realized what was prompting that vibe.In post 24, Vartsun wrote:But I mean, are you going to even look at the wagon that was placed on you?
He just like .... didn't care about the page 1 L-2 wagon on him, and didn't like even react or comment to it at all. I feel like scum would have had *some* sort of reaction to that.
Like that post just feels very carefree to me.
Also,we/Vartsunjust went to L-2, letting everyone know that.
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Hey, I won that game for our team, I think? Right? Didn't I kick ass in that game?In post 33, Lycanfire wrote:
I feel like after correctly identifying Varsoon as a killing role day 1 of Darkest DungeonIn post 24, Vartsun wrote:Who is this? XD I'm pretty serious about getting worthwhile discussion going.
and basically having to run the scumteam up until he vigged me on night 3, you shouldn't have to ask who I am if Varsoon thought sorting me early was at all a consideration today.
I have terrible memory when it comes to mafia, though, so I don't actually remember you much besides that your username looks familiar.
Sorry.
Also, Ausuka thinks that we're laying down a 'range' of questions when it's been what's pretty run of the mill for actual game engagement.
I find a lot of things to be problematic with this assessment.
One, it discourages players from engaging by actively putting critique that engagement can be scumread enough to put someone at L-2.
Two, it's legitimately a garbage reason to push a scumread on someone, because the criticism of 'doing busy work' or 'asking questions that lead nowhere' is laughable. That's legitimately not a strategy I employ as either alignment. As town, talking points allow for a better range of engagement with a slot and that helps me get reads. As scum, points of discussion allow you to control the game's momentum and lend credibility to your rationale for being on mislynches. So it's just outright bad play, AS EITHER ALIGNMENT, to 'do busy work'. As Ausuka has not pointed out the way in which they see our questions ACTUALLY lead nowhere, and has failed to illustrate how that's even SCUM PLAY instead of SHIT PLAY, it's a garbage criticism.
Aaaaand you know who manufactures criticisms to push through a lynch?
Probably the same person who dodges our question about personal motivation with a sweeping 'this is good for the gamestate' answer!
DING DING DING
It's scum.
VOTE: Ausuka
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I disagree with this assessment; both the reasoning and the approach behind it.In post 28, Ausuka wrote:
gut? it feels like you're trying to look protown by asking a range of questions that lead to nothing.In post 27, Vartsun wrote:
Because...?In post 25, Ausuka wrote:lycanfire wagon is meh, nothing AI.
your hydra might be scum though.
VOTE: Vartsun
1)My questions and responses always have a purpose behind them, it's of course, to game solve and get people's ideas and discussion put forth.
2)I'm asking again, what are your thoughts on the votes onLycanfire? You seem pretty content to putme/Varsoonat L-2 off gut.
I don't like that you dodged my question by saying this hydra could be scum, and throwing a vote without gauging to understand or question first.
Ehhh... Too early to say. Putting him to L-2 happened quickly, even for RVS. Plus, care-level for wagon, even on oneself, is not often AI.In post 26, skitter30 wrote:
I was getting some gut townpings from HS's at post but I didn't know where it stemmed from, but after you said this I realized what was prompting that vibe.In post 24, Vartsun wrote:But I mean, are you going to even look at the wagon that was placed on you?
He just like .... didn't care about the page 1 L-2 wagon on him, and didn't like even react or comment to it at all. I feel like scum would have had *some* sort of reaction to that.
Like that post just feels very carefree to me.
Talk to me aboutIn post 29, doomfeathers wrote:
He's doing little and hasn't really posted anything relevant to the game.In post 23, skitter30 wrote:Why are you good with your vote for now?
An excellent question.In post 24, Vartsun wrote:
Where's your vote?In post 15, Myloninja13 wrote:Lol, Mylo is a nickname, ninja came out of nowhere tbh and 13 is my lucky number. I use it on almost every site I'm on.
Anyway, nice to see this has started! I haven't played Splatoon much, but the few times I have I enjoyed it!Human Sequencer.
Plus, how isAusukatown in your eyes?
Do you have any questions to ask?In post 31, Myloninja13 wrote:I'm liking everyone a bit so far, although particularly doomfeathers and vartsun for actually sticking out and asking questions.
VOTE: Brassherald because he's only made one post so far. If I could double vote, this would also go to Voyc.
._.In post 34, Human Sequencer wrote:@vartsun
i looked at it
i laughed at it
i conquered
is that how the saying goes
Not even 40 posts and we have a dichotomy. You sayIn post 34, Human Sequencer wrote:doomfeathers' reads on mylo and me feel like they were born from genuine confusion and mystique about the game state and his desire to move the game state forward scream town to me. I don't think it's being faked (it's possible, but I doubt it)
it's north mentioning that out of the players not participating too much in the thread at that point (hs, mylo, voyc, brassherald, lycanfire) he specifically mentions hs and mylo as suspicious and says that voyc needs more attention without commenting on the other two at all
so oh the odd chance doom flips scum i think lycanfire and brass herald are a good place to look for second
32 is pretty questionable
I'd like for you to participate a little more in the rest of the thread voycdoomfeathersis town, but you're looking at a reality where he flips scum, and are already placing 2 potential partners here.
...I don't get the thought process behind this.
I'm assuming you don't see a similarity indoomfeathers'approach to this game, tomine/Varsoon'sapproach, as whatMylomay see. Is your vote onVarsoon/Iserious?
Explain how 32 is questionable.
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It's actually far more likely to come from scum than town.In post 46, Myloninja13 wrote:I think I'm town leaning Ausuka basically just off her calm nature in a line of suspicion. Few players do that, and much less scum players do that.
Consider that we're two pages in and I've levied heavy criticisms on the slot.
As scum, not being able to defend there could lead to a very critical day 1 lynch that'd likely turn the game so hard in town's favor that scum would lose.
Not interested in responding point-by-point to Assucka, though. Folks were scoffing at walls already and getting mired down in it isn't going to do the gamestate any favors.
I will say that their counterpoints don't do anything to assuage my reads there, nor does their putting slots within L-2 range and claiming they're not pushing lynches.
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...It's a posting style of mine. IIn post 38, Human Sequencer wrote:i look at these wall posts and my eyes roll back into my skullbold,underline, anditalicizeso walls aren't such a big problem. It gives me organization and emphasizes my points; while being directed to others.
Plus, many of my responses aren't very long. Having multiple smaller posts seem pointless to me that often. If it's bothering you, I'll put spoilers.
Bleh, associatives may be a bit early, in my opinion.In post 38, Human Sequencer wrote:
i thought i was pretty fuckin straightforward in my postVartsun(taly) wrote:Not even 40 posts and we have a dichotomy. You say doomfeathers is town, but you're looking at a reality where he flips scum, and are already placing 2 potential partners here.
i said i think he's town
i said if he flips scum (this other thing) is worth considering
(this other thing) is the kind of thing i might forget or not pick up on again whilst rereading the thread in a reality where doom flips scum if i didn't make note of it in post form
so i made note of it in post form
You thoughts were very clear, and I think notes are useful. I just wasn't sure why you'd make a read but entertain an alternative possibility for partners.
In post 38, Human Sequencer wrote:vartsun vote isn't particularly serious
if i had more to say about 32 i would have said it¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Spoiler: Replies to Ausuka
Umm.... This is not a hydra ofbrassherald wrote:VOTE: Mylo
I decided to count on my own, and I'm sure this is neither hammer nor L-1. I was phone posting earlier and the Ausuka v. Vorpal Blade hydra is still "meh" to me.VorpalandBlade?((I think I know who you're mentioning here?))
This is a hydra ofTaly and Varsoon.
Also, isMylo'svote on you the only thing that's warranting a vote on him?
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What bothers me most about Ausuka right now, and it may be a playstyle thing but I don't think it is, is that Ausuka is willing to drop paragraphs of justification and response to being pushed--however, when it comes to Ausuka actually making pushes or engaging with other players, Ausuka is very silent about why.
I think there's actually something of a slip from Ausuka that indicates that this play is scum play.
Ausuka's criticized our slot as 'trying to look pro-town' for giving rationale to our engagement and pushes as we've been making them.
Ausuka, when put on the defensive, pulls out this same self-admitted 'seemingly protown' play.
That makes it clear to me that Ausuka's posts are manufactured scum posts.
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I'm also not a fan of the forced apathy against Vartsun v Ausuka, especially coming from Human Sequencer. Insisting on not engaging with what is one of the most content-producing pushes of the game is anti-town at best.
The whole thing reeks of scum trying to shut down an early push that could be very telling for player alignments and to move the game momentum elsewhere;
And do you see what happened right after that? Voyc gets put at L-2.
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In post 82, doomfeathers wrote: I got bored of reading their squabble about three wallposts ago.
VOTE: Lycanfire
This is that shit I'm talking about.
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It doesn't take a genius to look at your ISO and realize every vote you've made had been done so with little justification until after the fact--this is exactly what I'm saying; when your scumreads/motivations have been called into question, you've defaulted to what you've admitted is a stance that "looks town."In post 88, Ausuka wrote: I think I've explained most/all of my scumreads at some point.
I've explained my rationale for voting for you, and it's not 'jumping on' you or 'acting like' I had a scumcase, you fucking trash person--don't try to sweep me under the rug like that.In post 88, Ausuka wrote: After I made one weak post, your slot suddenly jumped on me, and acted like you had a full scumcase on me on page 2
You're playing the victim here and acting as though my points are contrived rather than borne of legitimate concern over the alignment of your slot and the motivations behind your actions.
The more you position like this, the more I hate your guts.
VOTE: Ausuka
Please die.
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Can you explain what you like about that post?In post 91, brassherald wrote:UNVOTE:
I like the latest post from Voyc. I can't catch up though because my idiot brother in law just fell with my niece on his shoulders so, family has to come first.
Where was the moment you decided it was worth an unvote?
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Right now, I'm pressed in responding due to multiple things in life coming up, plus, line-by-liningAusukahas lost its point.
I'll need to see more ofDoom and Brass, but I feel comfortable with them at the moment. Page 3 and Page 4 makes me believe their genuinely looking to solve the game, growing townreads here.
I dislike theVoycwagon though, it came shit-out-of-nowhere almost.
Soon, I'll get to posting a larger set of reads that will help formulate my thoughts in full.
Upon rereading, have you had any changes in thoughts/reads?In post 80, doomfeathers wrote:Hm. Your points are very convincing, but I'd have to reread the game to see whether I believe them to be true. I have a headache right now, but I'll get to it later.
I like that someone's taking interest in a larger discussion point here. How do you feel aboutIn post 81, Voyc wrote:Hi yeah I'm here!
I didn't have time to really post until now, but I've been reading along
I'm liking doom so far
And I agree w/ skitter that brass' willingness to read other people's games and try to meta them seems townie
Are you going off from what brass said or did you look into them yourself?In post 71, Ausuka wrote:that's actually a good point, this isn't anything like her towngame. that makes this wagon a lot better.
VOTE: Voyc
The wording seems to indicate the latter but for some reason I'm not buying it
@skitter, is there anyone you feel is scummy? Also, what are your thoughts on Vartsun?
I want to reread through Vartsun vs Ausuka, I'll probably get to that not too later today
I don't have a read on Vartsun but Ausuka feels off, it's pretty weak gut though so I'll seeskitter?
I don't get why he statedVarsoon's'overconfidence' and then lead with nothing else about that. I feel like he's been present but elusive.
....If both of our heads are COMPLETELY misinterpreting your push and reads, then explain it to us like we're dumb. I genuinely don't get your scumread and pushes anymore.In post 88, Ausuka wrote:
no, this is still wrong, and I don't know why your slot keeps pushing as if I was doing that.In post 78, Vartsun wrote: Ausuka's criticized our slot as 'trying to look pro-town' for giving rationale to our engagement and pushes as we've been making them.
no, I'm literally just answering your points. like, I don't even get what you're trying to say here.In post 78, Vartsun wrote: Ausuka is playing in a way that they think isn't overbearingly town, but when their motivations are called into question, they default to playing in the way they think town should play. It's inconsistent. It's scum.
I also don't understand the Voyc vote here:In post 65, Ausuka wrote:I would not be interested in starting a Voyc wagon. This is still early-game, and not having contributed much so far definitely doesn't make her scum. If she's still barely posted anything towards the end of the day, she'd be a better wagon, but right now it's just meh to me.
You went from saying her inactivity (even though its only been 2-3) is NAI; butIn post 71, Ausuka wrote:that's actually a good point, this isn't anything like her towngame. that makes this wagon a lot better.
VOTE: Voyc15 minutes later, you vote her based on meta without any reasoning.literally
The fact that you're revoting this slot 89, while ignoring your light scumread onMylo((which I'd like to hear about, by the way))but states how wagoning is very effective for town, does not add up to me.
I just feel that your voting is opportunistic, and flows directly with what the majority wants at a given time.
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I'll butcher you, too.
This is Mafia. I'm laying out a rope and telling a player that they should be lynched.
If Ausuka genuinely thinks I'm making threats against them as a person, I apologize, that's not the intent.
However, I fully intend to display my conviction with every stride I take and your niceguy arbiter act isn't going to earn you any town points here, kiddo.
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Oho, who's being hateful and aggressive, breeding toxicity, making people want to participate less and interact with someone less now, hmmmm?
So quick to about face when you're called out for your rubbish.
Mollie played the same 'boohoo Varsoon is picking on me schtick, play nice' schtick just weeks ago in viewtopic.php?f=3&t=75175
And guess what?
They were scum and that strategy was so effective that even when Titus and Mollie were gladiated, Mollie's team went on to pull the W.
REALLY MAKES YOU THINK
Now please, keep suffocating the actual casing being done here by insisting it's a player versus player issue when it is not. Conflating rhetorical conviction as an assault on a player is a tactic that I've seen scum use time and time again and the worst thing about it is that I will still recognize that it's not alignment indicative, but, yes, it does frustrate me to have my legitimate points against a player be hand-waved as 'toxic play' instead of actual game engagement.
This is the last time I'll acknowledge it or ask nicely; Please stop.
If I really have offended Ausuka, they can let me know, and I'll tone down the crass nature of my push and find other words that convey the passion I feel in being correct about and not backing down from my assessment of their PLAY in this GAME.
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And before you call my frustration feigned or scummy, you can see how I reacted in a much more frustrated and violent way in Death's Diner, to the point where I should have been forced out the game : viewtopic.php?f=56&t=30226
The only thing that saved me there was that I caught a 1 week ban--don't recall what for, though it's very likely for the sort of behavior that I put forth there.
Basically, censoring my points and conflating them to a player v player attack is something that triggers me very heavily and I'd prefer if you would not do that.
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When did confidence become a scumread thing?
Seriously, are you all so spineless in your approach that when someone's sure of something early on, you're going to project and scumread it?
@Skitter: Awkward, because I feel that Ausuka is misrepping our interrogative playstyle as 'busywork'. THAT'S what I was being critical of.
HS has consistently called my back and forth with Ausuka 'wall posts' and things that make their eyes roll back and all of that. They've perpetuated the awful idea that anything more than shorthand on A FORUM GAME should be snoozed at and glazed over.
I'm sorry for posting that. I was very frustrated with Ausuka's continued misrepresentation of our slot's work and only used that phrase to construe how I felt about their posts. Again, I'll lay off with stuff like that.
P-EDIT: @Ausuka: My apologies then.
I'm still going to be pushing you regardless, and if you take my push personally, quit mafia.
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Alright, so, can we sort that into places where we've got a fundamentally different understanding of what's happening?
If I try to break it down...
1. You explained what you thought scum playing as though they were town looked like and accused us of playing that way--because we're actually town, it feels like you're just trying to drown out our engagement.
2. My reasons for pushing you have developed from there, it's just that I feel that the point is still relevant.
3. I don't see your votes as being very explained until they've been given more scrutiny--like I said before, you following up with more justification reads as scummy to me because of how you said that our tone looked fake, but I saw a lot of the same tone in you explaining your reads.
4. I'm merely putting pressure on your slot. It's very important to have conviction when pushing someone. If I was half-assed about it, you could ignore my push altogether and it'd be less effective in generating content--and I need that content to actually further sort your slot and help other players further sort your slot.
5. You criticized us over 'seeming like we were faking town', which I've read as criticism over our engagement and rationale. I'm trying to be transparent so that more people can easily sort us and work with us so that we can figure out who scum are. I don't like it when I push a case and people don't know why I'm even pushing a person.
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@HS: I refuse to engage with any more posts regarding player versus player toxicity. Please stop and focus on the game at hand.
@Skitter: Ah, I was reading that the rationale + questions = busywork, not just questions = busywork.
If I don't ask questions, though, how am I ever going to learn things?
Should I try to be more transparent with what conclusions people's answers lead me to, or why I'm asking the questions that I am?
I'm already so verbose that some people aren't reading my posts as-is.
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In post 38, Human Sequencer wrote:i look at these wall posts and my eyes roll back into my skullIn post 63, Human Sequencer wrote:
yeah thisIn post 52, doomfeathers wrote:Current assessment of gamestate: Far too much fight and too little think.
vartsun vs. ausuka makes me snooze
voyc
This is what I was talking about, for the record.
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I'm saying that conflating a player's push with an out-of-game issue is problematic for lots of reasons, even moreso as a scum gambit.In post 120, Human Sequencer wrote:you weren't actually attacking me though
so it's still irrelevant
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I'd prefer if we could not talk about it, please, at least until post.
It's something that I have a lot of difficultly being calm about.
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It pinged me kind of hard when Ausuka was quick to put you at L-2 but then when I gave their wagon a lot of pressure, they've admitted that going hard on someone early-game is not something they feel is normal (not exact words, I can't recall how they phrased it but they didn't like it). I guess that my rhetorical conviction was higher than their mechanical vote conviction in post 11, though.In post 122, Human Sequencer wrote:i bought it up cuz i was curious to see how the fuck you'd justify such a read
but your response wasn't too bad i don't think
Similarly, you've swept back to vote Ausuka but I'm actually not entirely sure of your reasons for doing so. It also felt weird that you'd ask them to go with you on a Voyc wagon, but then you went back and voted them when Voyc didn't really produce much content despite the vote pressure. I'm not entirely sure what it is about Voyc's post that had you make the moves you did.
Like, it's hard for me to follow your justification of going from being voted by Ausuka --> Asking Ausuka to vote Voyc with you --> Voting Ausuka.
I don't get it, and if you could help me understand, that'd help a lot.
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@Ausuka: If you're putting people at L-2, do you not intend to see them lynched? There's a difference between building an RVS wagon that'll generate content and just piling on votes, like what you were doing early on. I've seen scum push through RVS wagons and I've seen scum control game rhetoric plenty of times--I've done it a lot as scum, myself. On the point of fabricating a case versus having a real one, it feels like I could say the same thing about you, so I don't really know where that gets us. That's why I'm trying to understand more of where you're coming from.
I don't think Myloninja is scum for trying to bring attention to slots that have posted less. If anything, we should be trying to get those lurker slots more into the game. I'm not entirely certain that Myloninja actually is saying they have a scumread on those players, but instead seems to just be trying to put pressure in those places.
Ausuka, how many games of mafia have you played before this one?
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Embarrassingly, the first game that comes to mind is Diamond Shreddies 2, where I was complicit in it: viewtopic.php?f=84&t=60632
I don't see where Myloninja is calling for OTHER people vote lurker slots, just that he votes brass for having 1 post so far.
I actually don't think there's much in Mylo's ISO that lets me read them either way. I'd still lean it more town than scum because their observations seem less like positioning and more like explaining developing reads, but it's reaaaal scarce in that ISO.
I've been playing (mostly) on this site for the last five years, fairly consistently. I am more used to the modding side of games, where the medium-to-large setups that I mod go to 100 pages, but I've played and run games where day phase has been very short. I was curious of your experience, because I'm not sure if you're coming from an informed place with lots of experience or just postulating based on what you believe to be the case, especially when it comes to things that town or scum 'would' do.
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UNVOTE: for now.
I need to talk to my other head about things before moving forward.
I'm understanding more of where you stand on things--I still don't agree with it or like it, but I'm not seeing as much of the scum motivation that I saw before.
And, yeah, I was specifically asking for Boon to hammer a quick wagon cus I knew he would in that game.
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I did mean in the context of this game--slots are lynched and they die. Scum kill slots and they die. That sort of thing. When I push a player for lynch, I am pushing them to the death. Again, would really rather discuss that sort of stuff in post. Once again, I apologize.
I'll agree that I'm not a fan of HS' play at all, though my other head has been saying they sometimes do get townvibes from the slot, and I don't want to move ahead with a push there unless I know both of us are on board.
Your points are cogent, though--I was saying some similar stuff in regards to HS' post 63, and I'm really waiting for HS to explain/justify their play so far this game.
As for that list of players who played in games of mine, it took over an hour to put together, and I had to go hunting down who was in what hydras and all that. Even then, I'm sure it's not entirely accurate, either. I do recall your name. When I was talking to Taly about people I recognized on this playerlist and if I had meta points to bring to the table, my contributions were basically;
I think I've played with Human Sequencer and Lycanfire?
But I don't recall anything about them
And brass replaced out of my game so
I'm not really familiar, no
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I've talked toVarsoonabout his intensity and word usage. There is no personal meaning behind what he's stated, although, I understand how some people feel about them.
*Message To Playerlist*
This is Hydra. There's 2 people in this slot. Hi, I'm Taly.
If you want to ask something to help understand 2 people at once, then I'm here as well.
If you townread or scumread one of us, you're townreading/scumreading the other.
Don't focus on one head. People forget this.
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Remind me whybrassherald wrote:VOTE: mylo
This is the third vote, it takes 5 to lynch so that means L-2Mylo'sthe best lynch to you?
Mylohas been on/off absent for about 2-3 days, so I don't see what people expect from voting them, or an elaborate reason to scumread them.
I can see your point on 46; but withMylo'sgeneral low activity, it does not seem AI to me, and it doesn't seem like a too-weird read given it was only on Page 2.
Spoiler: Me Talking About Ausuka, Brassherald, and Doomfeathers
Spoiler: Why I think Skitter is Town
Spoiler: Ewww.
Spoiler: Are You Alive, HS?
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VOTE: brassherald
Are you really voting for me because I'm frustrated that players wouldn't read my posts?
And my criticism isn't "Waah people won't read my walls," it's much more that I felt there was a consistent HS attitude that my posts weren't worth reading, which perpetuates a really anti-town agenda of not reading/not engaging.
So, try again?
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...I fail to see how post 79 is directed at 'everyone' and not just Human Sequencer, y'know, the person I specifically was directing that post towards.
It's not an OMGUS vote, stop calling any time someone crossvotes you an OMGUS. That's incredibly dismissive of the criticism that I'm levying here.
Can you show me where you see my slot 'minimizing reasoning' for everyone's votes 'if they were not for Ausuka'?
That, in itself, strikes me as an incredibly false narrative--because I've also been fairly critical of Human Sequencer's vote on Ausuka as well, questioning it multiple times.
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Actually, more on the 'minimizing reasoning on non-Ausuka votes' fiction; I literally had a conversation with Ausuka (around post 126) about whether or not Mylo's vote on you (brass) was legitimate, with me arguing for its legitimacy.
I just don't understand at all where you're swinging from here, Brass.
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Words like OMGUS and LAMIST should never ever be used by town.
You use the word shading a lot but you're not really elaborating or asking the motivation behind it. Furthermore, every question or thing I've stated so far was to help my perception within the game, and to keep discussion going.In post 167, brassherald wrote:Vartsun things:
27 reads like shading Ausuka's vote on the hydra, I guess maybe this may not count since it was a vote on them, but still. Pretty muich everything before that was shading the votes on HS and an RVS push, but, like, it's RVS in a micro, that's a pretty shitty point to argue about.
...Asking a question is shading? What argument is this?
Um... I never use the word OMGUS - it is a horrid buzzword that doesn't catch scum or accurately detail what someone is thinking and it serves nothing but to minimize someone's thoughts; do not misrep my intentions.In post 167, brassherald wrote:50 tries to frame my post which had reasoning right before it as an OMGUS vote.
Literally, I was telling you that this hydra wasTaly/Varsoon, and asking if there's more reasons to aMylovote than what I originally believed.
>_> I'm still not sure of my townread onIn post 167, brassherald wrote:94 the end shades a vote by Ausuka, who they now read as town, by the way, for voting Voyc.Ausuka, I feel like it's more possible than what I thought early-game, andVarsoonmay have a slightly different read here.
But my intentions in that post were pretty clear in giving an observation and trying to understand why someone voted the way they did.
lol Because overconfidence early-game tends to create dichotomies and lynch town without much in-game reasoning?In post 167, brassherald wrote:105 says "When did confidence become a scumread thing?" Reads like throwing shade to me.
What's the point of this?In post 167, brassherald wrote:115 was written down by me, but I think that I misunderstood that post originally. Just sharing a bit that's not totally relevant.
139 is actually less of a shade throw than I thought, but repeating myself pings me, so that's a memory thing more than an actual read reason.
Doom: Doom is town to me because the way he reads is both similar to the town tone I have seen in the past, and his reads are well thought out and don't seem faked. It reads like he's trying to solve a puzzle. He's towny AF.[/quote]
You're disregarding a whole post of me elaborating on my thoughts and engaging in several topics to:"this isn't as shady as I thought">>> What are you gaining by saying this? There's little stated reasoning here that makes me inclined to believe you're being truthful with your push.
I thinkDoomfeathersis town, it's what I'd think of him to be suspicious and look deeper into people's motives, but I didn't understand the vote on this hydra without much stated reasoning.
None of my reads are very solidified at the moment.
Calling us names and replacing out does nothing but add to the tension in the game already; I'd like to hear your thoughts on the game at the moment.Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:Hi. I should be replacing HS, but I will keep it short until Gamma announces it officially.
FTR, I started reading the first page and I got sick to the stomach. You guys are awful. Who the fuck starts the game with a joke then spends 3 goddamn posts explaining it? Who cares? And who asks for an explanation on a RVS vote on page one? And through skimming the rest of the thread I see lots of OMGUS voting too. It's as if many are being deliberately bad or want to look scummy, but Vartsun steals the oscars and the grammys for it by a large margin.
I'll do a proper reread and decide whether I want to play or just call you all names and replace out.
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I think any tension in this thread can easily be mitigated with game talk and impersonal explanations of thoughts.
Plus, I feel like my head was drowned out a lot in how people are perceiving the "first 7 pages". I'm here, guys.
In post 176, Voyc wrote:@brassherald, doom, could I ask why you're townreading/townleaning the HS slot?
What'd you disagree with?In post 154, brassherald wrote:Oh, I forgot to say 137 while being a wall post and having portions I disagree with is okay enough in itself to keep lycan out of my four person lynch pool for the time being.
Why do you think I'm town?In post 174, Vartsun wrote:Voyc and Skitter seem like town to me at the moment1)I didn't like the wagon on you, specifically you being pushed to L-2 without very strong reasons to scumread you,((69 and 70 and 75 they were more like votes to be votes and wagon without much questioning to come with it))
2)You're asking a lot of questions while engaging with a good portion of the playerlist. You put up your stances while not ignoring 1v1s or people's thoughts behind a case. 140 142 176
Can you elaborate on yourSkitterread?
In post 179, skitter30 wrote: @Taly: why town on voyc?@What I Stated Above
How do you feel about the gamestate at the moment?
Eckgh... I can see how this can be genuine; but with the other replace-outs, I feel like this is more of an excuse.In post 185, brassherald wrote:You know what, no. Screw this. We're 8 pages in, sorry to Gamma to do this, but even if the atmosphere is better later on the beginning of this game was horrible full of too many personal attacks, and I'm not going to get over that. I can't play to my wincon if I won't be able to get over the toxic atmosphere of the first 7 pages. It takes a bigger man than I to get over this.
doomfeathers is still cool.
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@Doom: I don't see scum-Voyc put at L-2 with almost no resistance and Voyc just kind of shrugging it off as likely as it is that scum threw momentum behind it and then backed off. Doesn't ensure Voyc as town or anything, but I also don't really see much scum agenda behind Voyc's votes (or lack thereof) either. Voyc just doesn't seem to be exerting a lot of influence over the game, imo, and I tend to townread that more than scumread it.
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@Dredd : Good luck getting worthwhile reads then, when you've decided that players voting doesn't matter. If anything, putting someone at L-2 in a 9P game should catch an even heavier amount of questioning because our margin of error is much smaller than it would be in a larger game--but hey, how many 9P and smaller games have you played, Dredd?
@Doom : In my experience, scum play more towards survival, especially in high stake situations with less players. It might be NAI if Voyc has the same sort of thoughts that Dredd does on what L-2 even means in a 9P game, though.
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Lynching the most active and engaged town player would be a win for scum; I'm sure there's at least two people who'd really like that.In post 227, doomfeathers wrote:Misrep? Good grief, I am sick of hearing that word. Anybody up for lynching Vartsun and getting it over with?
@Dredd : Can you go back and check who was pushing Ausuka the hardest for the most time so far? Hoh boy.
And don't move the goalposts with phrases like:
When your original post was literally...In post 225, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:That's a gross misrep if I've ever seen one. I didn't say votes don't matter. I said we can't decide someone's alignment from a D1 wagon that is composed of 3 votes when we haven't had one flip yet.
Oh hey looks like there's no mention of flips mattering in your original post, just that 3 votes/L-2 is NAI to you.In post 213, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:To reiterate: putting anyone @L-2 (3 votes) is totally NAI to me. They could be town or scum, and the voters can be of either alignments too.
It's not a 'misrep' at all, you literally didn't write what you intended to convey.
So you can keep your whole overblown response in your pants, chucklehead.
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Can you elaborate a little on each?In post 232, Ausuka wrote:rn I'm thinking nero is town. I still like the myloninja wagon very much.
I'm curious how you came to these conclusions.
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@MOD: I'm going to be moving to a new apt over the course of this weekend and won't have internet.
So the Varsoon head of this Hydra will be V/LA until I've got regular internet again.
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