Open 802: Jungle Oligarchy [Game Over]

[Ahsoka]

I am here for assistance.

[Ahsoka]

This is where I shall begin, at the conclusion of the first day.

galaxii (7): VP Baltar, Datisi, ben dover123, Klyne, DeasVail, iamausername, clidd
Klyne (2): Titus, Taly
Titus (1): The Bulge
VP Baltar (1): galaxii
Taly (1): PlusJOYED

Not voting (1): MURDERCAT

First glance, The Bulge, PlusJoyed, and Murdercat are bound to have at least 1 Mafia in them. I doubt both Mafia would be bussing, 1 is probable, which means VP, Datisi, Klyne, DeasVail, Iamusername, Clidd have another one in them.

Titus could be wolfie bark bark.

however wolf is most likely on that galaxii wagon as well.

[Ahsoka]

oh, Innocentvillager is Plusjoyed now, so that goes in the PlusJoyed spot

[Ahsoka]

was ben Dover Townie or Mafia Goon

I’m seeing conflicting things?

I was confused with this as well, but when I checked the end of the day votecount, saw he flipped as town. It says Mafia Goon on the first page.

[Ahsoka]

VP, Datisi, Klyne, DeasVail, Iamusername, Clidd

I want to start here.

Murdermeowmeow, I saw you town read a couple of these people strongly, but I didn't see any reasons for it.

[Ahsoka]

Datisi seems to be railing the other replacement pretty hard. I'm not a fan. Looks possibly fake, but I'll have to do a deeper force dive sometime because it's a shallow take from me.

[Ahsoka]

iv i am not getting townie vibes from you so if you're town i recommend you step it the fuck up

because if you think i have learned anything after wrongly deathtunnelling you in that last normal, i can assure you that i absolutely did not

i have a feeling you're not trying to solve my alignment.

these almost look like Datisi is scum taunting.

[Ahsoka]

actually idk if Datisi gets much joy from openwolfing as scum

So idk if Datisi lolcats and openwolfs like this at this point of the game for no reason

Why do you say they're open wolfing? I don't think it inherently looks scummy.

[Ahsoka]

1061 is an inside joke. otherwise that take is like, bland but i don't hate it.

it is not bland for someone who has just replaced in, and if you don't hate it, then what was the point of trying to discredit me?

[Ahsoka]

1061 is an inside joke. otherwise that take is like, bland but i don't hate it.

This does help, and crumbles that suspicion, though.

[Ahsoka]

actually idk if Datisi gets much joy from openwolfing as scum

So idk if Datisi lolcats and openwolfs like this at this point of the game for no reason

Why do you say they're open wolfing? I don't think it inherently looks scummy.

the whole deathtunneling thing in that first post seemed kind of like openwolfing, and also later he mentions how he’s too lazy to move off my wagon atm

both projecting kind of a scum mentality

don’t think Datisi likes to openwolf

I thought it came across more townie, at least on first glance. It wasn't until I started to think about it, it got scummier, but then if it's the inside joke, it wasn't scummy to begin with.

I don't think I agree with you that it is an open wolf.

[Ahsoka]

i consider takes on my posting style bland.

It's good to note your weaknesses.

[Ahsoka]

not sure what you mean by trying to discredit you? your read there is wrong, but i let you know i don't think you're scum for it, not sure what else you see there.

I think it was a poor take from you, who thought I was coming after you, so you tried to ease me with the town read and simultaneously push me as having a bad take.

It's not bad to be wrong, it's bad to stay wrong after logic presents otherwise. Science would never progress if people weren't wrong.

[Ahsoka]

Ahsoka since you’re not gonna reread ever tell me some thoughts on my slot rn? I’m the wagon, you wanna hop on, help derail/find a new CW, or..?

I haven't majorly disliked much of what you've done, but you seeming to fall to the ground to praise Datisi, spouting them as town in the form of mercy following, was my biggest ping.

I probably will catch up piece by piece, if that's okay with everyone. I will be mostly ISO'ing when I'm looking for answers. I started to form the questions I needed when I first replaced in.

[Ahsoka]

(1) i don't townread you
(2) i'm not pushing you for "having a bad take"

No need to be so defensive, I'm still looking into other slots.

[Ahsoka]

i'm not being defensive, i'm correcting you?

Needlessly correcting. Just because you didn't say the word town read, you specifically stated "don't think scum", which is okay to infer that you aren't scumreading.

[Ahsoka]

You said bland, I yawn at you trying to push it as not a bad take.

[Ahsoka]

Oh snap. The business happened over night.

Sorry you drew scum though. Will catch up later today.

possibility of scum-scum?

Why is Taly talking about ORAM when I replaced him. Also not acknowledging I'm here, but striking up friendly banter with Datisi? Hmm.

I don't like this post, it's okay to talk about prior slots. The mention of Datisi here is interesting. Seems like a forced dynamic.

______

As I was ISO'ing, I went a little further into VPB, and they have a moment where they call out Titus/Datisi "who else is scum besides", and they're voting Titus. My biggest thing that stood out, and likely because I had that conversation with Datisi moments ago, that it could be bussing a buddy voting a townie. The Datisi read looks forced, but I don't know if that is how S/S would act anyways, VPB brings them up a lot.

This might be a case for Datisi Town, VPB scum. I'll have to wait until some others come into this game and talks.

[Ahsoka]

not scumreading =/= townreading

though for the second one, i have a feeling we're using the word "push" differently. i generally use it only when referring to trying to wagon someone, so i'll stop drawing this discussion out.

Irrelevant semantics, you're arguing for the sake of arguing when the moment is past, however, you mentioned to stop drawing the discussion out, so that's something that means you understood.

[Ahsoka]

VOTE: PlusJoyed

Guess I don't have to do a massive reread when the scum are just going to claim in thread.

VOTE: plusjoyed

timing of these votes are suspicious. It was right after Datisi pressured Plus.

[Ahsoka]

I haven't majorly disliked much of what you've done, but you seeming to fall to the ground to praise Datisi, spouting them as town in the form of mercy following, was my biggest ping.

These just look like observations about what I’ve done, I don’t think you expressed an opinion on my slot Based on these observations/why stuff is scummy

What else should I have more than observations right now? I'm still looking into learning about this game.

If you want some more expressed opinion, I think there's a chance you are scum. I am catching up, and I just read that Plusjoyed also did the "sheep you, please ill town read you" play, so I didn't like that either.

The VPB and Titus double vote afterwards still is suspicious since it's multiball.

[Ahsoka]

I haven't majorly disliked much of what you've done, but you seeming to fall to the ground to praise Datisi, spouting them as town in the form of mercy following, was my biggest ping.

These just look like observations about what I’ve done, I don’t think you expressed an opinion on my slot Based on these observations/why stuff is scummy

I also specifically said the word "seems" so why are you pushing like it was meant to be anything more than an observation?

[Ahsoka]

Not Seems, I said "seeming", but I trust you knew that's what I meant.

[Ahsoka]

I thought I explicitly asked for your read on my slot but I guess I didn’t explicitly say it on reread so lol

so I said that because it didn’t feel like you answered my question

but sure, what’s your read on me based on those observations

Somewhere in the gray area. I could see it as both, but it really depends on when I can garner better reads on the remaining slots I'm null on and where you fit alongside them.

I have what I need from your slot, I feel, as of right now.

I did not like the bow down, town read, ill sheep attitude you and Plus both had, and found it even worse that you both did it.

[Ahsoka]

why would she be mafia here? If she's anything, she's a wolf.

[Ahsoka]

I don't think Mafia are on the counterwagon, albeit only 2, so to Galaxii. It looks bad.

1 mafia on the wagon, 1 off to the side. Galaxii being off Klyne makes me think scum are also off Klyne.

[Ahsoka]

i would vote Titus over IV, because i think she's more likely to be a wolf out of the two.

Seems you agreed with my sentiment even

[Ahsoka]

yes, but i want to know why

you

think so

trying to get a handle on how much of the game you have absorbed

I haven't read the Titus vs Klyne. Those reads were based completely on the vote count itself as exactly that, a base. That is why I am going deeper into certain areas. I could be wrong on Titus, I haven't read much of her this game to give anything more than I already have.

[Ahsoka]

why would she be mafia here? If she's anything, she's a wolf.

How much of the game have you read?

Seems like a weird discred to me

I felt like this too, because I believe I stated how much I read, I went back and was ISO'ing, and I quoted some earlier VP posts. I haven't read the entirety of the game, but I'm feeling how the game is right now. I know there was a big Titus vs Klyne feud.

[Ahsoka]

can i get the tl;dr on this? [A as mafia]

Sure. It's largely Taly's interactions with the thread and Murdercat. A has continued that pattern. Taly also only flaked this game.

Then let’s kill Murdercat.

Im under the same impression that they are likely mafia, and you are wrong in this read here, and I have on record saying if you are scum, I think you are a wolf.

VOTE: Murdercat

I agree with thinking they are mafia.

[Ahsoka]

You’re working theory is just that, Titus. A theory.

I can’t speak for Taly, but they were not scum here. I think your cases make sense, however.

[Ahsoka]

I like DeasVail.

[Ahsoka]

The way he came to me after I replaced in looked natural, and i also didn’t love your posts.

[Ahsoka]

Wait, i might have mixed them up with someone else

[Ahsoka]

why would she be mafia here? If she's anything, she's a wolf.

How much of the game have you read?

Seems like a weird discred to me

No, i was right.

I liked this post because I feel Murdercat did the same thing.

Titus is probably a wolf for suggesting Murdercat and I a team when I had already brought up uneasiness and he tried to discredit me.

[Ahsoka]

I like dadsiteeti too

[Ahsoka]

After stewing on it for a few days

[Ahsoka]

Murdercat, VPB, Titus, IV are the slots I think are solemnly up to no good.

You are beat.

[Ahsoka]

VOTE: innocentvillager

ahsoka, i'm interested in how you explain those 4 being scum, that is who is scum with whom and what faction, because i don't think it's adding up.

I think you are wrong and shady with this post.

I have already explained in all of my other posts, and if you read them, I believe it would make sense.

[Ahsoka]

I specifically stated i didn’t like Murdercat’s somewhat discrediting nature of me.

I specifically stated to you I didn’t like IV’s begging up to you.

I specifically stated Titus was not mafia, and I didn’t like their push of Murder and Myself considering I was already suspicious of Murder and stated i didn’t like a post by them.

And i already quoted VPB multiple times earlier.

So tell me datisi, why are you interested in something that has already been explained, you’re not that dense to not know.

[Ahsoka]

gth i'd go for {MC, Titus, Bulge}

And this is 2 of my 4, so yet again, a bad datisi callout, but something tells me that datisi just being bad town. I don’t know what that is yet.

[Ahsoka]

why is the fact that they're unlikely to be mafia giving you pause altogether?

titus do i look like i know how to play this dumb game the answer is no no i do not.

@titus, what do you think, how likely is iv to be not of the town?

can you pls do this thing

He’s aware, though, and that’s why I think datisi is town.

[Ahsoka]

This question essentially boils down to taking the scum I feel more confident about (MURDERCAT) or the one who might kill us (DV).

Oh i see, you take me out when it’s convenient for me not to be listed as a scum.

[Ahsoka]

VOTE: innocentvillager

ahsoka, i'm interested in how you explain those 4 being scum, that is who is scum with whom and what faction, because i don't think it's adding up.

I think you are wrong and shady with this post.

I have already explained in all of my other posts, and if you read them, I believe it would make sense.

ok. you say scum is {Murdercat, VPB, Titus, IV}. murdercat is mafia (1186), titus is a wolf (1197). what alignment are iv and baltar? i'm looking for it, but i can't find it. i could be blind, in which case, link me.

pedit: ok. my issue here now is that, for this theory to hold together, you either have to convince me that (1) baltar is wolf with titus, or (2) baltar is mafia. i find both *very* hard to believe.

I never said they’d be scum together?

I’m not looking for pairs, I’m looking for individual scum before pre flips, might use some association, but this is multiball. I’m noting people i think have a chance of being scum either way, not as teams.

[Ahsoka]

That’s your fault for assuming i think they’re all scum together.

[Ahsoka]

Murdercat, VPB, Titus, IV are the slots I think are solemnly up to no good.

You are beat.

I actually didn’t even call them scum.

[Ahsoka]

You are putting words into my mouth.

You are beat.

[Ahsoka]

My VPB somewhat went away as well

[Ahsoka]

Why do you find it very hard to believe?

[Ahsoka]

you single out 4 people, the exact number of scum left, that you have said negative things about, as "up to no good", and i'm not supposed to assume that's your solve of the game?

Why would I think I solved the game right now completely? It was more of a list of me thinking where scum could be, ie, up to no good.

Don’t get all twisted because you assumed without asking.

[Ahsoka]

Why do you find it very hard to believe?

This is for my own reads. I’m curious, because I have been considering VPB possibly town, so wanna know why you find it hard to believe.

[Ahsoka]

You discredit everytime, and i thought it was just you being dense, but maybe you’re doing it on purpose.

[Ahsoka]

Why do you find it very hard to believe?

you mean baltar associates? (1) because he's been pushing titus for the entirety of day one and (2) he was one of the co-founders of the mafia flashwagon we had at eod1. like, you're probably sooner gonan convince me of datisi being mafia than of baltar being mafia.

I had already stated i hadn’t read the full game.

This might be a scum slip by you, but one of those post game hindsight things.

[Ahsoka]

Murdercat vs DeasVail.

I do believe one of them are scum here since it seems they are countering. I don’t know if I think both? It could be if they are mafia/werewolf, but i think it’s more likely one is a scum and one is a town

[Ahsoka]

Why do you find it very hard to believe?

you mean baltar associates? (1) because he's been pushing titus for the entirety of day one and (2) he was one of the co-founders of the mafia flashwagon we had at eod1. like, you're probably sooner gonan convince me of datisi being mafia than of baltar being mafia.

I had already stated i hadn’t read the full game.

This might be a scum slip by you

, but one of those post game hindsight things.

in what way is this possibly a scumslip?

I’ll let you know post game.

[Ahsoka]

Eh, I’ll just say it now. There’s just really no reason for townyou to ever really say that because bussing exists. Even if you are 99% sure that it wasn’t bussing, from your POV there should always be at least a potential, possibly small enough to go “I’d lose following this read, that’s how sure i am”, but that isn’t a 100%.

It’s only a 100% possibility if you know because your alignment.

[Ahsoka]

I do think it again is just you being dense town possibilities, however, saying incorrect things as town.

There is the potential IV stating “lol look at bad town datisi” just there is a defense tactic.

[Ahsoka]

Deas flips mafia, I'd be shocked and have to rethink a few sht if he were a wolf

Multiball’s kinda hard. Just because you might be right doesn’t mean I’m wrong with Murdercat.

[Ahsoka]

Deas flips mafia, I'd be shocked and have to rethink a few sht if he were a wolf

Wouldn’t it be crazy if they were both mafia or both wolf.

Is that a possibility?

[Ahsoka]

forgive me for playing the semantics game, but "very hard to believe" is not 100%.

It’s only a 100% possibility if you know because your alignment.

also, this is false. if wolf!baltar is bussing wolf!titus, mafia!datisi has no more clue about it than town!datisi. unless you're implying i'm scum with at least one of them, but...

Awesome, because you didn’t say just very hard to believe.

You specifically stated you’d believe you were Mafia over VPB, or a 100% read.

I’m playing you, dude, all around. You’re an easy work. I still think you’re town, but making sure because you post some weak sauce lhf scum stuff.

[Ahsoka]

forgive me for playing the semantics game, but "very hard to believe" is not 100%.

It’s only a 100% possibility if you know because your alignment.

also, this is false. if wolf!baltar is bussing wolf!titus, mafia!datisi has no more clue about it than town!datisi. unless you're implying i'm scum with at least one of them, but...

None of this is what I was arguing.

We were specifically talking about VPB and how you’d believe you are Mafia before VPB.

What does VPB possibility being a wolf have anything to do with this?

[Ahsoka]

Me arguing with you here, Datisi, will help you get town read.

Don’t worry, young Padawan.

[Ahsoka]

You specifically stated you’d believe you were Mafia over VPB, or a 100% read.

yeah, i stand by that, baltar isn't mafia. i can ~theoretically~ see him doing theatrics with titus.

pedit: i think we were referring to two different things (baltar being wolf/mafia) at two different times and honestly i think this conversation is not productive at all and i'd like to cut it short now.

No. You are wrong in the unproductive comment.

You are beat.

[Ahsoka]

You realized that in a fight, my dual lightsabers would slice right through you, so I understand you not wanting to take the full force of a Jedi on here.

[Ahsoka]

i think i was p decently townread before that, thank you very much.

pedit: the only productive thing this conversation is doing is giving me a headache

You are welcome for that.

[Ahsoka]

Meow meow.

It’s your turn.

What reads have you?

[Ahsoka]

Have I not given my reads enough times?

I’m testing your willingness to repeat to someone who hasn’t engaged with you.

[Ahsoka]

In one single post, who are your top town reads, and too scum reads, either mafia or wolf.

[Ahsoka]

Not a bad list, especially the me at 3rd.

That’s where I feel I should be for you here.

UNVOTE: Murdercat

May the force be with you.

[Ahsoka]

I like the town list

[Ahsoka]

I’m struggling to get stronger scum reads. Hmm.

Must be because multiball

[Ahsoka]

Not a bad list, especially the me at 3rd.

That’s where I feel I should be for you here.

UNVOTE: Murdercat

May the force be with you.

4th.

[Ahsoka]

I actively was pushing Murdercat, unless you think I was bussing, but I don't like to bus. I think it is a weak play to bus.

You are beat.

[Ahsoka]

Did somebody say E-1?

VOTE: DV

[Ahsoka]

@Titus ^

[Ahsoka]

I hope I showed you why you were wrong there, and why it makes sense to me why you are reading me incorrectly.

[Ahsoka]

In other news, Ahoska's posting on the last few pages is weird.

Do not mix the roleplay with oddity, it is not the way.

[Ahsoka]

So do we want a Mafia or a Wolf

Murdercat is likely a Mafia
Klyne is likely a Wolf

[Ahsoka]

How many people figured out who I am from the end of yesterday?

[Ahsoka]

@VPB - I agree with Titus town but mainly because I think Klyne is a wolf, and I’ve already stated I think she’s not mafia.

What is your reasoning for town reading Titus?

[Ahsoka]

VOTE: Murdercat

Murdercat/Clidd is possible, but I haven’t interacted with Clidd at all this game.

I feel like I’d scum read Clidd harder, though, if they were scum.

I think Titus is town, who has a correct read on Murdercat. Me town reading Titus more, which her scum read on me helped, I should add, helps my Murdercat read.

[Ahsoka]

If VPB is scum, he’s a wolf probably. The Datisi kill is something that makes me think he might not be a wolf, though, because VPB was so adamantly defending VPB, but Klyne/VPB as a wolf team dictates a Datisi kill, so there’s still the possibility.

Considering I think Klyne is a wolf, I think VPB’s wolf chances go up.

Mafia likely are trying to put Wolves and threats on the Mafia side.

I will say, I don’t know if my instincts for things are as strong in an open setup, but I feel that’s what I would be thinking if I were scum.

[Ahsoka]

I didn’t mention a few people, I believe.

I talked about IV yesterday some, though.

I haven’t talked about Iamausername either, but I liked their post going over the numbers of everything.

[Ahsoka]

Why no mention of IV, Ahoska?

As far as why I am townreading Titus, I expressed more of a town read on her yesterday from her play. A Titus/Datisi wolf combo was the only thing holding me back from more of a full commitment there. With Datisi flipping green, I think Titus' town equity goes up.

I’m fine with this. That’s not something that was on my mind necessarily, but I think Klyne wolf probability makes Titus townie for me, in addition to her pushing Murdercat and myself, which is just kinda weird coming from scum considering Murdercat is someone I’ve been suspicious of since they discredited me on my replace in, which I believe Datisi brought up, and I replied through Datisi.

VPB/Klyne wolf partnering possibility, yeah Titus probably town.

[Ahsoka]

Probably the only one I’m comfortable with calling town in confidence.

Haven’t played Multiball in a while

[Ahsoka]

Why no mention of IV, Ahoska?

As far as why I am townreading Titus, I expressed more of a town read on her yesterday from her play. A Titus/Datisi wolf combo was the only thing holding me back from more of a full commitment there. With Datisi flipping green, I think Titus' town equity goes up.

Why isn’t Titus Mafia for you?

[Ahsoka]

Oh you mean specifically mafia. You know, I'm not sure actually...I thought I had a reason for ruling that out, but I don't remember now. I probably need to do some rereading to recall why I was thinking she could only be a wolf

I was the one saying she probably wasn't a wolf.

I did it because she was off of the scum wagon, and on the counterwagon mixed in with the VCA from Day 1.

[Ahsoka]

I meant Mafia in that one.

[Ahsoka]

I meant Mafia in that one.

the second one, not the one that you thought I meant Mafia, I meant Mafia there, you responded to the right thing. I meant to say Mafia instead of Wolf in that last post.

I don't know how strongly I like that as a reasoning, though, I don't know what changed or what I was thinking exactly back then.

I've confused myself.

[Ahsoka]

It's been a long time since I've played Multiball, and even longer since I've been town in Multiball.

[Ahsoka]

What if Murdercat is a wolf?

[Ahsoka]

Do you see why the water drips from this strainer?

[Ahsoka]

Titus

IV

Iamausername

Bulge
Clidd

VP

Murdercat
Klyne

Rough readslist in general. Note Titus isn't necessarily a strong town read, more like a lean town read, and IV is more light lean town followed by Iamauser, but I wouldn't say I have a strong enough read on anyone this game that straight up couldn't be scum, which is why I thought it was weird when Datisi was saying he was more likely to be mafia than VPB was.

Maybe it's because I replaced in, but I feel that's more telling because I was able to see the game from a fresh perspective.

[Ahsoka]

Actually, Titus as Mafia pushing Murdercat and I as a team, and then specifically not putting me on the list is definitely a tinfoil situation I just thought about.

VPB-Klyne probably not Mafia based on being on the list there, but they could be Wolf.

I noticed that the people on the list were the first 3 people on the wagon.

[Ahsoka]

VOTE: Murdercat

Murdercat/Clidd is possible, but I haven’t interacted with Clidd at all this game.

I feel like I’d scum read Clidd harder, though, if they were scum.

I think Titus is town, who has a correct read on Murdercat. Me town reading Titus more, which her scum read on me helped, I should add, helps my Murdercat read.

But sometimes I get confused by the way she is approaching my slot. From the posture, it seems that she knows how I play and is not interacting with me because she knows how to read me just by looking at what I do/say.

That's because I am one with the force [I do know, but like, yeah, can't explain why if you weren't able to tell from my hint yesterday]

[Ahsoka]

It would be a bit

humorous

if you did know why.

[Ahsoka]

More testing than playing.

[Ahsoka]

Playing with is much more comical than I normally would post, but when I am searching for scum, I do what must be done.

[Ahsoka]

Playing with is much more comical than I normally would post, but when I am searching for scum, I do what must be done.

How effective is this playstyle for you in finding scum? How often are you misyeeted?

This is my first Ahsoka game. Unconclusive, but I feel it's going to garner decent results.

[Ahsoka]

Well, I'm townreading absurdly your style, something I feel I shouldn't be.

Well, it is correct, for what it is worth. Your read. Doesn't mean much right now, but yeah.

[Ahsoka]

It would be a bit

humorous

if you did know why.

[Ahsoka]

also I know I haven't been present this past week but Ahsoka is avoiding my slot big time

do I know your main? (not phishing, y/n is fine)

Yeah, pretty ilicitly, but maybe we played back in April.

You just haven't been on, I wouldn't say I've been avoiding. I interact in real time.

[Ahsoka]

Someone mad they rolled scum.

You can do better than that chap, that didn't even make me flinch

This is so wolf-wolf, lol

[Ahsoka]

VOTE: MURDERCAT

interested in hearing your process here. what turned you?

Lol this is TMI, bulge is probably mafia who knows I'm town here

This could be a possible distancing, but part of me thinks there's MC town potential. I felt it part of yesterday as well, and Titus kept pushing me and MC as partners, when I had been voting MC. Titus makes me want to believe MC is scum, but I keep having doubts.

Bulge is one of my stronger mafia possibilities.

[Ahsoka]

Murdercat, the reason people want to yeet you is because of username's case. It has nothing to do with Titus calling you mafia

i am actually not even aware of Iamuser's case, where is it?

[Ahsoka]

I'd be down to fade Klyne/VPB. Still think they're both wolves.

[Ahsoka]

VPB is trying hard to stop people from town reading me.

[Ahsoka]

I just find it really suspicious as soon as I start calling VPB/Klyne a team they start posting at each other like this.

[Ahsoka]

I've made some absolutely obnoxious takes fullcaps bravado yet you have posts like Ahsoka who insinuate that me-you are Wolf/Wolf and yet you don't bat an eyelash to it? I'm saying this from your own perspective if you were an innocent townie getting associated with WOLF in your eyes. Yes I am turning it around on you, this is how discussion thrives

this is kinda townie. Seems genuine, but I don't know how much scum theatre they're capable of. It says Mafia have daytalk, werewolves do not, so this could be natural no day talk arguing between partners, but I probably need to do a reanalyze.

[Ahsoka]

Hmm, I'm probably wrong with the wolf/wolf.

[Ahsoka]

I'm fine with Klyne going through this day phase, I think we just fade Murdercat here.

[Ahsoka]

Titus

IV

Iamausername

Bulge
Clidd

VP

Murdercat
Klyne

Rough readslist in general. Note Titus isn't necessarily a strong town read, more like a lean town read, and IV is more light lean town followed by Iamauser, but I wouldn't say I have a strong enough read on anyone this game that straight up couldn't be scum, which is why I thought it was weird when Datisi was saying he was more likely to be mafia than VPB was.

Maybe it's because I replaced in, but I feel that's more telling because I was able to see the game from a fresh perspective.

[Ahsoka]

I also just posted the idea that Titus isn't town, but I don't know where I've landed with that yet.

[Ahsoka]

i didn't like Ahsoka's enter scumreading MC then switching off onto DV when some of the heat got off him

also would expect scum!Ahsoka to self-nom

I would not self nom here.

Also, I used the DV hammer to out who I was with my catchphrase.

[Ahsoka]

flavor, here’s the situation

I think you’re likely to be mafia, with a smaller chance of wolf or townie

If you’re town, our current objective is mainly to find the wolves so pls help us, but tbf if we hit town today it’s an autoloss for town

If you’re mafia, you can’t really win this without helping town eliminate wolf today, so if we hit wolf, it’s possible we’ll reconsider you for town

either way, I think you’re incentivized to genuinely help us solve wolves

I don’t get in these type of situations as scum. Me getting put on this list is outright always going to make me look incredibly scummy based on the gamestate.

I also specifically have a great track record as scum on alts, most are undefeated as scum, like April Ludgate, Pretentious, and Rick Dalton.

I am town here.

Wolf are obviously Klyne/VPB, at least one. I am not wrong on that.

[Ahsoka]

i was expecting me to die too! now i have to think about this game some more.

Ahsoka being on the hitlist feels to me like they put themself there as a desperation move to make us think they aren't the last mafia. there was no way the wolves were ever going for them. me and Titus as the other choices is obv revenge for getting their buddy Murdercat executed.

wolves choosing to kill Titus over me makes me think that Klyne could be town; i've been suspicious of Klyne pretty much from the start, so i feel like wolves are angling for Klyne as a potential mislim target.

still think Bulge is a wolf, and i think Baltar and clidd are town, which would leave IV as the other wolf. does that track?

mmm... yeah, Bulge was never on the D2 Plus/IV wagon, which seems somewhat out of character, now that i look at it. and Titus was still suspicious of IV after his replace in, when i feel like most people kind of dropped him as a suspect once he was engaging with the game.

will probably reread some stuff at some point (most likely at the weekend) to see if anything jumps out, but right now, this feels like a pretty good working theory.

pedit: or perhaps it's me they want as the mislim target. hadn't considered that angle.

This is last mafia esque thing to say.

[Ahsoka]

Like I’m actually kinda annoyed IV, I’ve stated my wolf reads all day yesterday.

I am not wrong.

[Ahsoka]

AHSOKA I THINK YOUR HEAD IS SO FAR UP YOUR ASS THAT YOU SHIT THROUGH YOUR MOUTH BUT I THINK YOURE TOWN AND I WANT TO HEAR WHY YOU THINK ITS VPB BECAUSE VPB IS ALL LIKE OOH OOH KLYNE THEN WHEN IM LIKE LETS GO HE COWERS OUT AND IM GETTING TIRED OF IT

AT LEAST TITUS TRIED

F FOR TITUS

I explained yesterday. You were on Mafia's list twice, and VPB has made sure to discredit me every chance he's gotten. I've been pushing Murdercat essentially since I've joined in this game.

I will say, I am starting to lessen on the read in favor of VPB, but I don't know where I think second wolf would be just yet. Clidd is a possibility. I guess IV would be my top town read right now.

[Ahsoka]

Ahsoka/Bulge (for obvious reasons)

what's obvious about this?

[Ahsoka]

If I were Mafia, Murdercat would not have been faded yesterday.

I would have set them up better the day before they were faded.

[Ahsoka]

*i brought up my theory for the 3 Ahsoka cases, the scum!Ahsoka case being that the hitlist wifom narrative makes sense despite him saying otherwise AFTER both username and I pointed out that scum!Ahsoka could self-nom - it's not like mafia had tons of time to think this out multiple layers deep
*positioning on MC not great. Initial scumreading of MC seems like a likely distancing attempt then backed off onto DV when that was a juicy option.

Like this is just a weak thought process. I don't distance badly when I am scum. The fact that it looks like a poor distance followed by me going Murdercat pretty aimlessly yesterday.

One, I don't put Titus in the list either, have her be killed, and then STILL go for Murdercat. I would have 100% been able to save him from fade yesterday within my 2 day phases of being there.

Like that's probably annoying to hear, but facts are facts. I am town here. This is a 10/10 reasoning for me not being Mafia here.

I don't have a good case for not being a wolf, I get that one a little more, but yeah. I'm town here, and pushing me as Mafia in this game is inherently bad, especially considering y'all know who I am.

[Ahsoka]

flavor leaf prides himself on his scumgames. what he's doing here isn't a particularly impressive scumgame.

Oh, nice, you actually brought this up.

Yeah, no, this is 100% correct. I'm town who still hasn't read Day 1 of this game.

Like if there's some disconnect with me with someone here, keep that in mind, I essentially completely skipped reading Day 1 in favor of swordfighting and causing stuff Day 2.

I am town, and I can tell I'm being hit down by scum, I just don't know where. I was put on the list expecting to be misfaded this game. That will be a mistake, scum.

[Ahsoka]

I wouldn't be surprised if all scum know for a fact I am town, and are trying to keep the gamestate with me near the bottom, but I'm never scum here.

Murdercat does not die there if I was Mafia with them. It's just facts.

[Ahsoka]

i honestly did not mean to submit that but i was drafting a list of potential likely wolf teams

i would also add:

Ahsoka/clidd
Ahsoka/Klyne
username/clidd
username/Ahsoka
Ahsoka/VPB (?)

teams I deliberated excluded as less likely, admittedly I am anchored by what Titus said about VPB and my townread on clidd (obviously excluded all teams with me):

VPB/username
VPB/clidd
VPB/Bulge
clidd/Klyne
clidd/Bulge
Ahsoka/Bulge (for obvious reasons)

if Klyne isn't wolf it's possible the solve is as straightforward as username/Bulge.

also, turn username into "likely not mafia" instead of "not mafia", im a lot more confident on VPB not being mafia.

Where's the most obvious wolf pairing in VPB/Klyne...?

[Ahsoka]

VPB is not town, idk what people are thinking this game.

[Ahsoka]

this is a 180 from the game I felt of his before. I was scum there, so I didn't have to read him, but still.

[Ahsoka]

He didn't discredit really in that game, he didn't throw the shade calls, he felt very reserved and took time to go over. This is completely different from the town VPB I've seen, mixed in with it all pushing a scum agenda and him controlling the game as well.

I could be wrong, but in that game, I believe he even stated he was a puppet master scum? maybe that was someone else who said it. Regardless, yeah, VPB is like near lock wolf to me.

[Ahsoka]

VPB/Klyne
Bulge/Klyne
username/Klyne
username/Bulge

oh, you did put them here.

[Ahsoka]

also, I don't want to be mean, but both times I've seen you as town (Illicit, LN230), there was some stretch of the game where you just like hyper posted and were kind of annoying (somewhat intentionally, I think, for the roleplays?)

i don't get the "uggh Flavor is so self centered and annoying kill him" vibe from you this game which almost made me lean scum on you just for that

VPB posting lately has been a bit mehhh but I'm less sure that you're mafia now, but I'm also paranoid you're just working me here

That is my Flavor Leaf gimmick.

[Ahsoka]

He didn't discredit really in that game, he didn't throw the shade calls, he felt very reserved and took time to go over. This is completely different from the town VPB I've seen, mixed in with it all pushing a scum agenda and him controlling the game as well.

I could be wrong, but in that game, I believe he even stated he was a puppet master scum? maybe that was someone else who said it. Regardless, yeah, VPB is like near lock wolf to me.

which game is this?

Uh...one where I claimed fake claimed Friendly Neighbor. ill link it later.

[Ahsoka]

ahsoka how do you feel about:

bulge mafia
username, VPB wolves

VP has no reason to bus a partner yesterday. That eliminates him from being mafia. If he's a wolf, he doesn't give a rats ass if I am executed. In fact, if he's familiar with my play, he'd want that. If Kylne is town, it would be the same thing. So the only viable way this slot is scum is if he feared that Kylne would somehow be executed over me. That position doesn't make sense with galaxii's EoD posting. Given only one possible partnership, I am pretty ok calling this town.

so this was town!Titus's reasoning for, if VPB is scum, he is scum with exactly Klyne here

I don't know if I buy the part where he doesn't care if notpartner!Klyne gets eliminated because there is still more benefit for wolves to eliminate mafia early on. So maybe I will open the VPB wolf pairings to more than just VPB/Klyne.

Yeah, that's a possible solve, I like that.

I also was stating yesterday VPB and Klyne were likely wolves together, but I kind of liked Klyne's posts towards me. The caps is the only thing that pings me, almost like trying to come off as angry.

But yes, this is my force sensitive, stay calm, account.

[Ahsoka]

Murdercat was pushing Titus pretty directly for a lot of Day 1 as well. So if he does flip mafia, that'd be some unnecessary bussing

What if Murdercat is a wolf?

Do you see why the water drips from this strainer?

I also think VPB knew Murdercat was going to be Mafia and omitted the idea he was a wolf because he is a wolf.

[Ahsoka]

I'm also incredibly hyper posty as scum, IV. The game I referenced and haven't linked, I had well over 1100 posts.

[Ahsoka]

I don't understand why that's wild at all.

[Ahsoka]

I think Clidd has some Mafia potential, less wolf potential. There's nobody in this game that I think can't still be scum, so I'm unsure why people are discrediting certain pushes.

[Ahsoka]

@VPB - when I was scum, I had you dancing around constantly.

I am never scum here.

I'm barely paying attention to this game some days.

Like, yeah.

[Ahsoka]

If I was partners with MC, VPB, I would have set him up better the day before he got faded, so he wouldn't have been an option. Not only that, I actively have surface level bad associations with MC if I were scum here, which is something I actively think about. I replaced in Day 2, so it's not like I didn't have time, either.

I don't know, man. I kind of don't even want to like defend myself more because I feel it's just so obvious I'm town here based on my sheer lack of any sense of gamestate control.

[Ahsoka]

It's a reason I think you're a wolf. I don't even really understand why, it just feels like I'm being politically setup to be an eventual fade and in the POE of the gamestate, but in actuality, there is no POE right now. Nobody has a real case, this is a reset day.

This game is insanely political right now, where everyone has like "oh this player isn't scum" but like why?

I don't see any reasons for anyone being town 100% here, and I feel like VPB is sitting around looking for misfade possibilities rather than scum, if that makes sense.

I don't know. I think I am the most surface level partner for Murdercat in an extremely meaningless way. If I have that type of tie with someone, I have a meaning with it, and it is usually much more chaotic, frantic, and harder ties.

[Ahsoka]

the thing is VPB effectively town cased me with the reasonings he said about Klyne, which is just the same thing for me here anyways, it's just not a slot that he wants politically to be town read.

[Ahsoka]

I actually like Bulge's 1650 a lot? I don't agree with the IV vote, but I think it comes from a townBulge. It feels genuine and like he isn't entirely in the game, but he's here, and had time to make an effort, which is how he was in Illicit Substances when I had the exact same type of read on him.

[Ahsoka]

Wait, are multiple people really scum reading IV? I was getting pretty close to town locking them personally.

[Ahsoka]

To me, there is very little likelihood hood I'm going to want to yeet outside of {Bulge, Klyne, Ahoska} today. I would bet money there is a wolf in that group.

If VBP flips Wolf, there's a wolf in that 3 (from my pov, it's that 2) ;p

[Ahsoka]

To me, there is very little likelihood hood I'm going to want to yeet outside of {Bulge, Klyne, Ahoska} today. I would bet money there is a wolf in that group.

If VBP flips Wolf, there's a wolf in that 3 (from my pov, it's that 2) ;p

Can you tell what I'm getting at with this?

It's VBP/Klyne - Wolf/Wolf, then Bulge can be Mafia or Town.

That's where I'm at.

[Ahsoka]

@VPB - when I was scum, I had you dancing around constantly.

I am never scum here.

I'm barely paying attention to this game some days.

Like, yeah.

Can we not with this braggy dumb shit. Personally, I find it very annoying when players gloat about winning games. I let you walk on some shit I shouldn't have because of self doubt and no experience with you.

I will push for your yeet immediately if you're going to make self meta defenses because it is scummy as fuck coming from you.

Self meta is my bread and butter as town, how is it scummy?

Also, I state facts, if people see it as gloating, that's on them. We in the arena.

[Ahsoka]

Note the threat of warning towards me, that's another discredit tactic.

[Ahsoka]

"Someone make a case on me" is something that is much more likely to come from a scum mindset ready to defend.

This is a misrep.

I don't care or not if anyone has a case, I was yet again, just stating a fact.

[Ahsoka]

Handled this very poorly, VPB. Seems over defensive.

[Ahsoka]

@VPB - when I was scum, I had you dancing around constantly.

If this is what you said was bragging, this is absolutely not bragging.

I am stating a fact.

You have to turn this around because you accidentally town cased me when you thought I was Klyne.

[Ahsoka]

Calling it "political" because you're outside the core town alliance

What core town alliance?

I'm pretty sure the majority of players town read me, but have me in a weak POE.

[Ahsoka]

Can't tell if this is fake or not by VPB, but he's coming after me poorly, so I'm going to let it happen, see what people do.

[Ahsoka]

I have a weakness to AtE/emotion plays, but it seems like scum who's mad for being scum read for the wrong reasons.

[Ahsoka]

Let's 1v1 then if we must. I just reread the area where he was trying to towncase Klyne who he apparently thought was a FL alt, agreeing with IV on why that was an accurate analysis, and then completely dropping it and moving past the subject when IV corrected VPB.

VOTE: VPB

[Ahsoka]

I will push for your yeet immediately if you're going to make self meta defenses because it is scummy as fuck coming from you.

Keep in mind, VPB and I have played one game with each other.

This is a fake "coming from you".

[Ahsoka]

I will push for your yeet immediately if you're going to make self meta defenses because it is scummy as fuck coming from you.

Keep in mind, VPB and I have played one game with each other.

This is a fake "coming from you".

Also, he's using push threats against me, actively trying to keep me on the ground because I was starting to get seen as town.

[Ahsoka]

Like, I don't believe I've been doing anything different than I normally do, and I've been pushing VBP as a Wolf for mulitple days now.

I start to have a little town block going with Bulge-IV, and he immediately started to discredit me.

[Ahsoka]

Yeah, honestly, I just keep thinking it over, and I'm looking over both Bulge and IV's posts, and I'm kinda just town reading them both?

IV, that was you talking as Secret Tunnel in Ilicit Substances most of the time, right?

[Ahsoka]

VPB, Klyne, Clidd, Iamusername have all the remaining scum in it, I'm like going up to 80% positive.

I'm starting to think VPB/Klyne is too on the money, and VPB didn't start pushing me until I started town reading Bulge/IV, meaning I wasn't correct about Klyne probably because I wasn't a giant threat until I started getting town reads. In theory, wolves could think I might be hitting Mafia, and maybe VPB-Wolf legit thinks I am Mafia, but regardless, he twisted my words around to make it seem like I was bragging, and I initially believed him, like a "yeah, sounds like me", but I looked back at my posts, and I really don't think I was?

The only thing I brought up was when I had him dancing all around when I was scum. That's not me bragging, that's me explaining what gamestates have been like between him and I in the 1 game we have played together.

I also think his defense of Klyne as FL is the exact same defense that IV is using to explain why they're starting to town read me, and this 100% coincides with the timing of VPB flipping a switch.

My initial belief was that Mafia put 2 Wolves on that Day 2 list, and I'm not 100% sure on who the other wolf is. I'm beginning to think it's Iamusername or Clidd based on their neutral ground.

Klyne stated he thought I was town, IV seems like he's starting to lean town. VPB also was trying to threaten a push on me, and act like I wasn't a part of some "core town alliance" that I didn't even know there was one of those. I guess if I'm wrong on Bulge, they can be a wolf with VPB.

It would make sense why VPB is trying to move people onto me because it seemed like Bulge was going to get pushed for a second. Hmm. I still think Bulge is getting townier for me, but that's food for thought, and something I want to look into a bit more. Bulge can be my #2 town read instead of me having them on equal terms with IV.

VPB shaded me for some self meta, but like, actually, that's legit the best way to explain and show people that I am town. What other defense is out there? I think it's actually a rather strong reason, and VPB made the exact same reason when they thought I was Klyne.


This is me half writing up a case, half brainstorming while I ISO.

[Ahsoka]

@VPB - How would you like me to prove that I am town? What defense would be acceptable for you?

Like, post game, what are your thoughts on how I should prove I am town, because I believe even if I am wrong on you, I am on the verge of a full game solve. I've already got 1 scum down (not just me, but yes, post game, I was correct in reading Murdercat as scum, and pushed them 2 days in a row.

Like, I just would have protected Murdercat on Day 2 and had us positioned better if I were Mafia with him. I'm literally the person that tells everyone exactly how to read me. I wrote a guide about my scum game.

Self Meta is literally what I do, and I do it correctly, and beneficially to every party out there, and frankly, this isn't even really debatable. I've gotten strong results, I don't misrep my Self-Meta, I can abuse it, sure, but you pushing like Self Meta is plain wrong is just a complete surface level comment, especially considering you made a post stating "it's scummy especially coming from you" when that's just a straight up lie, and it's not scummy. NAI maybe, but it surely isn't scummy.

I really don't like that post from you considering we have had 1 game together, so you saying "especially coming from you" implies like that's supposed to mean something when you have never seen my town game before now.

Frankly, I think that was an incredibly weak and overdefensive push on me, which is fine, I believe you are scum here, but if you are town, you are barking down the wrong tree, and you need to do something about it, not me here.

[Ahsoka]

Let's 1v1 then if we must. I just reread the area where he was trying to towncase Klyne who he apparently thought was a FL alt, agreeing with IV on why that was an accurate analysis, and then completely dropping it and moving past the subject when IV corrected VPB.

VOTE: VPB

I was not town casing Klyne. Are you still drunk?

Also, it's funny you are calling me defensive when you're spamming the thread with AtE and cries about how you're being done dirty, when I haven't even made a real push on you.

I think you're most likely to be mafia, so you'll get dealt with in time. We are catching wolves today.

The more you spam and flail, the more obvious that is.

Show me one AtE, please.

Show me one flail, please.

I am talking a lot, sure, making a lot of posts, but I don't believe anyone would actively see this as flailing. That is another misrep. This entire post of yours is misrepping me. I have been specifically using facts, and my thoughts on the game, and I'm extremely calm here, and even took the time to write up larger posts because my brain was on, and I started diving into the game, so I knew I was going to be posting me.

You pushed an AtE, but there is almost no emotion in my posts, so that is why that is a misrep.

[Ahsoka]

you're spamming the thread with AtE and cries

I will await the examples of this.

[Ahsoka]

I think you're most likely to be mafia, so you'll get dealt with in time. We are catching wolves today.

.

I will push for your yeet immediately if you're going to make self meta defenses because it is scummy as fuck coming from you.

[Ahsoka]

you're spamming the thread with AtE and cries

I will await the examples of this.

Specifically on this last burst of posts since that was what you were referring to.

[Ahsoka]

It seems pretty unlikely that Klyne is mafia given that he was nominated on two days in a row and was on both mafia kills. I really hated his hammer yesterday, especially when I looked back. Both username and I were pressing murdercat to answer who the wolves are, since it is very likely mafia have figured it out. Then came along Klyne to end that day as fast as possible. That's exactly what I'd do if I was mafia in that situation and my partner wasn't doing the right thing and self hammering. But nomming yourself twice would be risky businesses. I could see once, but by D2 I'd assume wolves would have a decent idea on who the mafia is, so yeah.

I stand by my belief that Klyne!wolf could be the case here. Klyne's reads have been very bad from the start of the game, as were mine initially. The difference I see is that I adjusted as we went on and really starting to hone in on the scum. I'm not seeing that adjustment from Klyne...which is what town would do.

I'm not going to speculate on who Klyne is an alt of, but my assumption this game is the same as iv's: FlavorLeaf. Trying not to let that cloud my judgement too much, because I would absolutely think Flavor would be better than that.

Regardless, Klyne to me has pretty high equity as a wolf based upon this game alone. It would also make sense for the mafia to try to put their wolf suspects in the lim pool because you could then figure out effectively who those people are.

If Klyne WERE a wolf, that would likely mean mafia didn't bus at all D1. (realizing I forgot to mark DV town in that vote count, whoops). That could point to either reluctant mafia, or people who have been flaky this game. Ahoska's slot might fit that bill. Would also explain them being first on murdercat perhaps. That yeet was pretty much a lock from D2, so may as well get straight on the wagon and try to get the cred, even though Ahoska had nothing serious to do with that push that I recall. (I'd need to fact check myself on that,...working from memory here).

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So yeah, if I'm working from the assumption that iv is town, then the final wolf HAS to be in Bulge or username. My gut says Bulge here, but I've also gathered his RL has been a bit crazy this month, so that gives me a little bit of pause. Bulge would make a decent amount of sense as a Klyne buddy, I think . I'd want to ISO them together and see how they've interacted. I'd want to do the same with username if we flipped klyne and he was a wolf.

I guess you were pushing a Wolf, but the bolded is what I was thinking was a town case. You specifically were thinking they could be town based on you thinking they were me, but IV made the exact same case correctly, which you immediately try to move on from right after this post.

[Ahsoka]

you're spamming the thread with AtE and cries

I will await the examples of this.

[Ahsoka]

I guess you were pushing a Wolf, but the bolded is what I was thinking was a town case. You specifically were thinking they could be town based on you thinking they were me, but IV made the exact same case correctly, which you immediately try to move on from right after this post.

It's the exact opposite of what you're saying. I think Klyne is scummy, but I'm saying I was trying to check myself to not over scum read Flavor given our last game together. Obviously Klyne looks even worse now that I know that's not a factor. I've been saying pretty clearly he has high equity as a wolf.

You're so out to lunch on this argument.

I literally stated I was wrong on that post right before you posted.

Why is that the only thing you brought up, and why did you ignore trying to show examples of your misrepping of me?

[Ahsoka]

@VPB - How would you like me to prove that I am town? What defense would be acceptable for you?

Help me catch an actual wolf today. Because my son, I can tell you with absolute certainty that it's not me.

Why should I believe you? You've been discrediting me all game, pushing me as Mafia when Murdercat was my main scum read essentially since I replaced in. I waffled a few times, sure, but I didn't even try to defend them. You literally saw how hard I will defend a partner in our 1 game.

[Ahsoka]

Yeah, honestly, I just keep thinking it over, and I'm looking over both Bulge and IV's posts, and I'm kinda just town reading them both?

IV, that was you talking as Secret Tunnel in Ilicit Substances most of the time, right?

NS made like 75% of the posts

I signed every single one of my posts essentially

Hmm, okay.

I still think something is happening here like it did in Xenoblade 2.

I think Ilicit Substances we were all forced into reading each other super well, and I think I have the same type of read on you here. This happened there too, where I pushed you initially, then town read your slot, so that's why I was hoping you were the main poster in Secret Tunnel.

[Ahsoka]

but I also had a different posting style that game than I do this game on purpose, i cut back on spam that game whereas I’m a bit more open/stream of consciousness this game

different plists and my first hydra experience lol

Bulge as town is an interesting take

Yeah, I half backed away from it because I can see VPB-Bulge associations, but I might just be looking for them at this point.

VPB's ignorance of my asking for the AtE is really bad, alongside the flip on me after stating my town read on IV/Bulge.

[Ahsoka]

flavor you are clearly capable of bussing as scum so you’re going to have to be a little more specific

Yeah, sure, but my busses are good and have meaning.

[Ahsoka]

I'm super anti bus, so when I bus I make sure I get town read from it.

To be fair, I was pushing Murdercat hard, but like, there was never gonna be reward from that. I was already being pushed as the partner.

[Ahsoka]

I guess you were pushing a Wolf, but the bolded is what I was thinking was a town case. You specifically were thinking they could be town based on you thinking they were me, but IV made the exact same case correctly, which you immediately try to move on from right after this post.

It's the exact opposite of what you're saying. I think Klyne is scummy, but I'm saying I was trying to check myself to not over scum read Flavor given our last game together. Obviously Klyne looks even worse now that I know that's not a factor. I've been saying pretty clearly he has high equity as a wolf.

You're so out to lunch on this argument.

I literally stated I was wrong on that post right before you posted.

Why is that the only thing you brought up, and why did you ignore trying to show examples of your misrepping of me?

Because it was a bullshit point that shows you are flailing for anything. I'm drinking mimosas and chilling with some people right now, so I don't have time to get into a spam war at the moment.

My point is if you're town, you need to check yourself. I've already shown you're on some clown shit, so eat a little humble pie and reorient to prove you're town. He'll, even if you are mafia, let's work together and catch a wolf today.

Another ignoring of the AtE and flailing example.

I am incredibly calm and passive because this is the most into the game I've been so far, so even if I'm wrong on WolfYou, it's still net beneficial.

You continuously misfading, and incorrectly shading, and ignoring of simple requests, such as show an AtE example from that page, is why I'm continuing to push you.

You are acting like you are in the driver seat, and I assure you, you are not.

You have been given the Third Degree Boon.

[Ahsoka]

ahsoka my problem with you townreading me and bulge is that we are literally the 3 most likely people for mafia. Who is the mafia if none of us are?

It’s definitely not vpb
It’s probably not username
It’s probably not Klyne
It’s probably not clidd

(I had a post where I explain why I don’t think it’s any of them, i can quote it if you don’t want to find it)

Why is it not Clidd or Username?

Those are the 2 I think the last Mafia is in.

[Ahsoka]

Bulge feels exactly the same as he did in Ilicit Substances. Not doing much, comes in, posts a wall, a little overly aggressive, and then gives off town vibes because I think the push on you doesn't happen from a scum perspective.

Like, I backed down on it, I was in the heat of the moment when I said it, but I still think there's a good chance I'm right.

[Ahsoka]

VPB's ignorance of my asking for the AtE is really bad, alongside the flip on me after stating my town read on IV/Bulge.

Your "political" comment and crying for a case on you and saying "I'm better than this as scum" are all AtE.

Dude, you know my job is interviewing people, right? I have a good sense for when people are being fake and manipulative.

Pedit again 3 times: please stop spamming.

Oh, that's what you saw as AtE.

Nah, that's just a fact, you can see it as what you like, but yeah, it's a fact.

And I'm never fake, not even as scum. I'm manipulative as both alignments.

I already specifically stated I did not care for a case on me, and you saw that. I was stating yet another fact that there wasn't a case on me. I don't care about it, so that's a misrep by you.

And I do believe your reads are political, what is AtE about that? I believe you are setting up the game to benefit a Wolf wincon, and your reads are in a way to be a part of that "town alliance" you were talking about.

If that's what you think AtE is, then you probably need a teaching lesson, but I think it's far more likely you just had to pull something out and try to warrant it, so I don't really care too much to continue this thread, I got what I needed out of it.

[Ahsoka]

And the examples you used were not on that burst of posts, which proves you are only out to misrep and discredit.

[Ahsoka]

And 1100 posts in that game we played together compared to my 176 here, don't send that fake "quit spamming" stuff at me.

[Ahsoka]

I am actively in this game, and analyzing, and know I'm coming up on a full solve, and you're trying to do everything in your power to make sure I don't gain momentum here.

[Ahsoka]

wtf? this is not how i expected scum!bulge to react?

this is essentially what I felt too. That was essentially a deathwish if he was Mafia, and an unnecessary push if he is a wolf.

I think the last Mafia is 100% in Iamusername and Clidd.

[Ahsoka]

And 1100 posts in that game we played together compared to my 176 here, don't send that fake "quit spamming" stuff at me.

It is spamming when it is NYD and most people are chilling. I've already spent more energy on this than I would like this morning. Just chill and I will be happy to respond to you. But when I have to click submit post rapidly 3 times just to get a single thought through, you're clearly spamming.

I'm more posting for the other people rather than you at this point.

I'm analyzing, and now talking to IV. You don't need to respond. I'm reading up on Day 1 now.

You feel like you need to defend yourself, like you need to not let me gain momentum.

You don't have to keep engaging, I can analyze in my own time.

I'm finally going to read Day 1.

[Ahsoka]

I am actively in this game, and analyzing, and know I'm coming up on a full solve, and you're trying to do everything in your power to make sure I don't gain momentum here.

AtE again. If it weren't for me, poor Ahoska could totally solve the game. Just work toward the solve without playing the victim.

where's the appeal to emotion here?

I am once again stating facts.

[Ahsoka]

I'm also not even focused on just you, I've been talking about my town reads on IV/Bulge as well as me thinking Mafia is in Iamusername and Clidd, so effectively, I've been talking about every slot in this game, less so on Klyne, but I talked a bit on Klyne for a while earlier.

[Ahsoka]

galaxii (7): VP Baltar, Datisi, ben dover123, Klyne, DeasVail, iamausername, clidd

last Mafia 100% on this. Both galaxi and Murdercat are off the wagon.

VPB, from what I've heard others post, pushed Galaxii a lot.

Leaves Klyne, Iamausername, Clidd....whaddya know. My exact POE. Add VPB there, it's literally my main POE.

I kinda think earlier on Galaxii, then if people say he pushed him hard, I'll probably think that he's not Mafia ever bussing here, which is fine, because I think he's a Wolf.

2 wolves 1 mafia are on this wagon, unless Bulge is a wolf.

[Ahsoka]

Are you hunting mafia or wolves? Who are the wolves in your scenario if it is not me?

Two of Clidd/Username/Klyne

[Ahsoka]

I'm solving the game, not individual slots at this point.

If VPB is town, I think Clidd would be mafia, and Klyne/Username are wolves.

[Ahsoka]

HEY AHSOKA

I WILL CAPS HOWEVER I WANT WHENEVER I WANT

THIS IS NOT ME BEING ANGRY, I JUST HAVE A BIG MOUTH

ANYWAYS

I'M INTERESTED ON WHY YOU THINK IT'S CLIDD

Because I lean town on IV/Bulge, and to a lesser extent you.

[Ahsoka]

idk, i probably glossed over Ahsoka's question and didn't think it was important enough to respond to, or i completely missed it, honestly not sure which one sorry not sure why this matters to you?

on Klyne's gimmick I don't know what to say lol. why do you think "changing gimmick midgame" is AI and why is it so weird and obtuse that I perceive Klyne's gimmick as NAI?

It was important, actually.

You brought up a team that should be counted out for obvious reasons, and i had no clue what obvious reasons were there.

[Ahsoka]

there is absolutely no basis for the assumption that the last mafia has to have been on this wagon and you know it.

Disagree.

[Ahsoka]

I am town here.

I had 6 scum games in a row, this was my first town game in a while.

[Ahsoka]

im in a mood right now, where i dont really exist, but im just floating along, but not in a good way

[Ahsoka]

VPB or The Bulge is confirmed at least one wolf.

Both wolves wouldn't be sitting on not voting right now.

VPB/Username wolves, Clidd mafia.

[Ahsoka]

Thanks for putting that events post together iv. Strong town vibes from that level of effort.

Iv, are you townreading Ahoska? I'm very confused why you are aligning with him when he is very obviously further on the scum side of thing.

There is no such thing as "further on the scum side of things". I'm town, and this is scum trying to push the idea of another player being scummier than them, which is factually incorrect.

VPB continues to push this thread which is a blatant discrediting statement.

[Ahsoka]

Klyne and IV also brought up possibility of VPB being wolf, so the obviously further on scum side of thing line is just absolutely only there to discredit.

[Ahsoka]

THIS IS MY VOTE

VOTE: PAGETOPANDY

AHSOKA IF YOU THINK IM WOLF THEN IM JUST BUSSING MY PARTNER HOP ON PAL

I specifically have been saying I think it's VPB, not you.

Pagetop is likely Mafia. I haven't really done the math to understand why Mafia fade isn't preferable, nor do I plan to really think about it, but people have been saying wolf is better today, and without thinking about it, I don't have any objections to looking for wolves as my main pushes have been for my wolf thoughts.

But yeah, that's a fine fade if we are okay getting mafia. There's also a chance they are just a wolf, but I still think it's most likely Username and VPB as wolves.

[Ahsoka]

I really think Klyne is probably town here, and VPB is setting the game up for a Klyne-Ahsoka misfade chain.

[Ahsoka]

why is Klyne town? they were in one of your solves a bit ago

I don't think Klyne/VPB are wolves together anymore. I was pushing them as a team, but I don't think I was right. Klyne vs VPB passed the point of me thinking they are doing scum theatre.

[Ahsoka]

Based on youWolf, Klyne's general knowledge of gamestate, partner potential.

[Ahsoka]

Meaning fade a townie, then setup another townie to be faded afterwards.

Or he legit thinks I'm Mafia and setting me up for tomorrow that way. It's probably this.

[Ahsoka]

why is Klyne town? they were in one of your solves a bit ago

I don't think Klyne/VPB are wolves together anymore. I was pushing them as a team, but I don't think I was right. Klyne vs VPB passed the point of me thinking they are doing scum theatre.

I really think Klyne is probably town here

Based on what?

also...like...I totally answered this to IV right before

[Ahsoka]

why is Klyne town? they were in one of your solves a bit ago

I really think Klyne is probably town here

Based on what?

dude

[Ahsoka]

flavor is there a reason you seem so out of it with this particular game? i get that you are burnt out from playing a lot of scum but, i would've expected you to be pretty actively casing then if this is your towngame, as it's kind of a relief for you?

I feel like I have been. My thoughts on every slot are out there, I feel like I've solved the game. I'm here quite a bit.

This is an alt, so I log in less than I do on FL/Boonskiies, however I am in more games on this account right now.