TM 2021 Large Normal: OEIS Mafia (Part Two Is Out)

[unwnd]

VOTE: innocentvillager

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I dislike when people make statements like 'oh gosh why didn't X roll TOWN with me?' Such a presumptuous way to provide a read that usually just comes from scum

[unwnd]

Comment was related to my vote on IV, thought it was evident

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Comment was related to my vote on IV, thought it was evident

hmm I did a few things irl between seeing your IV vote and reading that, so I may have just context failed. I'm pretty tired. Actually my post read as snippier than my brain was trying to be.

Better counterpoint: IV is addicted to saying cute nonsense. This daystart is absolutely typical of IV as either alignment. Has anything else he's done struck you as alignment indicative or just the fluffy comments?

Someone on my team agrees with you btw (but I haven't asked for their reasoning yet)

From what I understand, IV likes being town. His best option if he's not town is to lead with nonsense and then assume someone town reads him by his gestures; this can include fluffy nonsense. The way he convinced himself that you were scummy did not sit right for me.

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IV

You still have nervous energy

The best way I would further describe what seems to be wrong with you is that you believe solving to be a catch-all towntell, but it's like

Page 10? What necessity is there to solve on page 10. Changing your mind or seeming like 'oh man, I'm just so worried about everything!' does not make you town

If you are town, stop forcing yourself to do things thanks

[unwnd]

...You know exactly what I'm talking about?

[unwnd]

no I honestly do not understand what you are trying to say

In a span of roughly ~40-50 minutes starting from your #182 - #213

You changed your vote about like..4 times. Moreover, this all just reads like a thought traffic jam. What point is there to list out these inconsequential townreads on like AGar/Dannflor inbetween the posts where you're sussing people out. It's busywork and fake solving. These are things either meant to stay in your head or your PT.

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i don’t understand why you are

singling me out for giving my reads on the gamestate as it comes to me

If you're thinking at the pace you're doing right now as town you're not playing D1 right. I don't believe you're that sloppy. Moreover, what good is a read that you're just going to flop on within 10 minutes anyway?

Like, why even vote me then say 'idk maybe not but im looking at you'

[unwnd]

My question to you is again why

I feel this type of game especially makes it so posts can be more focused, because not only do you have yourself

You have like 4 different people who are willing to give you insight

[unwnd]

Just going to post a bit of my thoughts on the current gamestate

I think scum want to establish presence earlier in the game rather than later. Sorting comes when the thread starts to lose momentum and scum start posting with agenda. I do not necessarily feel anyone has a distinctive agenda that I could point out right now, but I do feel halfway decent about where my vote is now. I am very biased towards people who bring inference in reads so early on, because it always just seems like busyscum instead of busytown. Town doesn't have the tools to sort like that at this point, it's all just educated guessing. The reason I find IV so suspect is that he's made his process of guessing the defining factor. That process alone feels fabricated and unnatural in accordance to what comes of it. Hercule gives me (bluntly put) zoomer town energy so despite what I said about (scum wanting to establish presence) their posts are vastly different in proportion to someone like IV.

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I think trying to read players on how good/bad they are just makes your own thoughts unstable. Mafia isn't like a tradtional game, the concept of good/bad doesn't feel very defined

I'm not sure why this is something you want to lean on Hopkirk

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p-edit:

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I don't believe in concepts of good/bad play, it's all contextual and what I look for in most players could be boiled down to how good their linguistics are and if they are a sensible and relatively nice human being lol

[unwnd]

We're not the same people, I think you're confusing me with uncrowned

@Hopkirk just tonally twitched at you calling out for a solve in relation to one of hercule's team members lol

[unwnd]

I'm hesitant on your interaction with hercule but I won't make it a big deal for now

What do you think about the other half of the game going on right now? As in, the half that is voting IV and perhaps myself that has reasons to

[unwnd]

So you believe in working from the list up instead of down then yeah? Meaning, you like townreads and then PoEing scum? Is that what gravitated you to Hercule

[unwnd]

So you believe in working from the list up instead of down then yeah? Meaning, you like townreads and then PoEing scum? Is that what gravitated you to Hercule

absolutely, i can quote myself saying this is exactly how i like to play (as town) from 2 games/about a month ago then show you me playing that exact way. TRs + POE.

Any other gut townreads you have so far? I feel like I don't have anyone besides hercule who is sticking out to me in that regard

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Dunn/Dann/Herc/ maaaaybe DGB/winterflakes

Kinda only agree on one, then the most defined read I have would be Dunn purely based on experience (even if it's Null), wherein he establishes himself later and if scum is caught on who he votes.

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Hercule is a townread. Dann seems OK, but it doesn't feel outside his ability of scum. The one post he made (#147) had some wording landmines, but at that point it just turns into what's the word I'm looking for

Being picky? Yeah something like that

[unwnd]

Heh

In due time if I find something blatantly town! Letting my inquisitive paranoia guide me for now

[unwnd]

Pipe down ABR I still rememmber Fake Peoples

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is the travesty too many on IV or not enough on your scumread (presumably Dann)

There's no way ABR genuinely thinks Dann was scum and I'm not sure why you believed it

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Pipe down ABR I still rememmber Fake Peoples

i do too but what has he even done so far to warrant you saying that

I enjoy talking that sass with ABR

If he's town he'll respond in a way that gets me to read him

[unwnd]

So far on this account I have not been wrong on my read with ABR, both when he was town or scum

IV above post from you is pretty sensible, what do you think about your impending wagon?

[unwnd]

Please do not invoke demons in my thread by uttering anything related to RC

[unwnd]

Big boomer energy Ythan

Don't know how to read you though!

[unwnd]

OkaPoka you'd never tell a lie right

Claim what alignment you are in the next post

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OkaPoka you'd never tell a lie right

Claim what alignment you are in the next post

you know whats funny is last time i got asked this question as scum im pretty sure i dodged the question for the shits and giggles

I believe you chicken man

Read on Hopkirk?

[unwnd]

I am tired of being townread

I'm officially playing this game like a shithead

[unwnd]

I am tired of being townread

I'm officially playing this game like a shithead

Just realized I need advice on how to do this

Please advise

[unwnd]

I am tired of being townread

I'm officially playing this game like a shithead

Just realized I need advice on how to do this

Please advise

pretend to be firebringer

Lmfao I want you to know the first thought in my mind was 'who here is on firebringer's team'

I'm pocketed ceph

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AGar were you trying to make one of the scummiest posts I've seen in a long time

Like I'd be a fucking fool for not voting you

VOTE: AGar

[unwnd]

This wagon is so pure that jesus blushed

[unwnd]

if we're going to start townreading people for omgusing i might as well just quit

[unwnd]

ABR I think you're town

You can burn me later, your vote on AGar is pure and Ceph is townie as well

This can be your redemption to what you did to me in Fake Peoples

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I think Hercule considers being townread as a badge of honor. By denying that, you are taking away something that motivates him to keep posting. His frustration is self-serving but not in a scummy way, because I think it's such a petty thing to care about as scum

[unwnd]

Hercule don't worry I already saved you from mental crisis two posts ago

[unwnd]

I'm very smart or just easily pocketed you can decide which one

[unwnd]

Ythan plays for himself

But he forget what the rules were

[unwnd]

I have a secret pocket read that almost all of my partners agree with but I won't reveal it until D2

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Vote Count 1.6

AGar

(7): Titus, unwnd, Cephrir, OkaPoka, Dannflor, DrippingGoofball, Albert B. Rampage

Winter Flakes

(2): hercule, JacksonVirgo

the worst

(1): Hopkirk

Ythan

(1): Almost50

JacksonVirgo

(1): the worst

innocentvillager

(1): Dunnstral

hercule

(1): Ythan

OkaPoka

(1): innocentvillager

Cephrir

(1): AGar

Almost50

(1): Winter Flakes

Not Voting

(1): Xtoxm

With 18 alive, it takes 10 votes to eliminate. Deadline is set for January 29, 5:00 PM PST, in (expired on 2021-01-29 21:00:00).

AGar is still a fantastic wagon. Even if he flips town (see: highly unlikely) you have enough commitment represented by the votes. I think Winter Flakes would be a decent secondary but I'm not particularly choosy

[unwnd]

The unfortunate part is that AGar you're not one of the newblood so I have to actually read your posts instead of just guessing your alignment based on much you seemingly care

Newmeta players just typically hate being scum and won't even try

[unwnd]

He's on a team who would be able to make a post like that

Remember when we used to have to actually read what people said? Nowadays I just can just pick out alignment based on timing/delivery of posts

It's great

[unwnd]

I think scum are Flake/Hercule.

I want to hear more about Hercule cause I townread his outburst towards Ythan

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I think letting the thread naturally decide it's course instead of enforcing a gamestate would be both healthy for it's players

But reading it later down the line

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I think letting the thread naturally decide it's course instead of enforcing a gamestate would be both healthy for it's players

But reading it later down the line

This is an error, I meant (And reading it down the line)

[unwnd]

Hey Unwnd, what is your read on me and why?

Before I answer this:

Is your team asking or is this an individual thing?

[unwnd]

I think you're a good vote but I haven't personally parsed as to why that it is. A bit of brief ISO of you and some takes from players I'm familiar with. There's nothing I would delve into immediately because I'm still ruminating on it and am not just easily swayed off AGar because he wrote a catchup.

The biggest attribution of your play right now to me outside of specific instances is that your posts are very attentive. You say things like, for example 'you'll figure out I'm town anyways' which just feel an accessory to what should come naturally to you.

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Oh, right. Reads.

Infinity and Kanna both TR you.

I kinda figured you were gonna mindset dump more than you actually did

Are you restraining yourself?

[unwnd]

Just kinda odd to single me out just to say you TR and your group does

I was hoping for something with a little more meat

[unwnd]

The only reason to be concerned about that is if you believed you were secretly in danger, or worried of a potential wagon once AGar explained himself more thoroughly

[unwnd]

That's not true at all.

If I had said nothing about you all game and then said "Unwnd would be a good wagon!" it wouldn't matter at all about whether you were in danger or not. You'd be confused as to why this slot with zero trajectory on you is all of a sudden saying you'd be a good wagon and question it.

I think it would matter more if there was more context provided, or I had a personal read on the person who suggested it

As far as I know, you TR me and so does your group. I'm not sure why you are trying to say this lol

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....I was happy?

Only thing that made me happy so far is Ceph's post about firebringer and maybe a few of Ythan's posts. I don't understand where 'the game is going' because my own biased opinion is that it's actually undecided. Your current biggest scumread is A50 who is like a level zero lim at this point and if you have a big ego you should probably be concerned that's been the majority of your issues thus far, besides what is specifically directed towards you

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Fwiw one of my bois thinks that Hercule had been slimy as well.

I genuinely want to hear about it

You don't even have to go digging, give me something off the brain

[unwnd]

If what you're saying is true, then what does it mean when A50 has mostly just ignored you?

[unwnd]

Off the brain, they’ve been acting extremely Lamist which I know isn’t AI on its own but they’ve also been very slimy about answering questions such as that time where they flipped a question to show how townie they are. Sure they answered the question but they did so in a way that seems purposefully manipulative.

Flake has been discrediting me as soon as my SL on them moved on from a joke. They put low effort in their initial post, I don’t fully remember seeing them explain shit and if they did and they were actually asked to explain it my read on that will worsen, otherwise if they just explained it as I said I’ll read again and re-evaluate. Somewhat reminds me of my peta death tunnel but not entirely. As I’ve already said they’ve been constantly screaming I’m a SR of theirs as if to discredit and counter any attack I may have on them.

Flakes is more of a more blatantly aggressive scum such as Koba
Hercule is more of them being super slimy and manipulative

I don't feel like this read is fake and Flake has mostly been very careful so far with me

You just instantly responded and already knew what you were thinking about

I like it, we can be pals

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Honestly if they’re ignoring me to make me not notice them they’re doing a good job, I don’t remember much of them at all tbh. Although I’ll make sure to get a read there when I read the game again

That was towards Flake jsyk

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A50 hasn't ignored me? I don't think?

Oh was that for JV lol

I think he's entertained your responses but I don't think he's given much of a shit that you scumread him? Just based on what I've read

[unwnd]

Careful with you?

How so?

Treading lightly with your words

Correct me if I'm wrong: Do you care if you upset someone if you think they're scum, or suspect them?

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I typically don't care if I upset people I can be pretty aggressive but I try to do it within reason

Looking forward to seeing that then

I still am fine with my AGar vote, I don't believe in just votehopping especially where there's a larger sample size to react to it. I think this interaction with you gives me a great deal of pause however, so you'd probably have to do something really townie for me to not consider you a viable wagon (hint: you did not do that here)

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Worst you're third-wheeling this argument

Does above feel like town prickliness?

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Oka what are your hottest take reads rn?

if you sort by activity, at least 3 scum bois are in the bottom half of the list

I disagree with this

Players who don't wanna be scum (but love being town) almost always try to stay in the relevant even if they're actually doing nothing

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Worst all your takes are very agreeable and that concerns me a brief amount

Because I think that agreeableness is almost becoming flattery on your behalf

I just don't see many edges

[unwnd]

Tonal is almost never the way I will fully read someone. Edges can be applied in the way people wheel and deal with information. So far most of what you say is just not very daring, and I think even the most sensible town know they have to be daring sometimes.

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I'll rephrase that if it didn't make sense for you btw

I could've just said 'Your posts are kinda information fluff' but I went with something a little more proise

That's what makes the game fun for me, I'm never interested in just going 'this is da scumz' and drooling on myself lol

[unwnd]

Yeah I'd love to see a bit more daring from you tbh.

I know you're aware that most lims don't go through unless you convince people, so I have to wonder if what's been presented is simply not what you'd personally want to lim

[unwnd]

this isn't really relevant to the game but i have a lot of issues with being perceived as negative when im actually quite happy irl too

it's kind of annoying and i'd like to change it

You don't have to read this as game-related but I have not once thought you were negative or grumpy

Boomers stick together

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get a cute anime girl avatar and your whole perception will change is all im saying

when u sad posted in baton pass with the animated lion king character, it was very funny and read like a shitposter

but with this darkened realistic warthog that gives the vibes of isolation and loneliness, everything is so depressing

And you are a goofy chicken man

[unwnd]

I meant that with adoration btw

[unwnd]

The duality of avatars, a picturebook:

Blowhard? More like I hardly knew her!



Blowhard. More like..I hardly [pause for dramatic effect, take a cig break] knew her.

[unwnd]

That actually makes me scumread you Ceph

I need a strong serious brooding pig to cradle me to town victory

[unwnd]

Actually true

Both zoomer and boomer can appreciate anime girl

We don't talk about the other one starting with c though

[unwnd]

AGar, talk to me in real time. I'm not as disagreeable as you perceive and I don't want to just condemn your slot if the disconnect is based on misunderstanding

[unwnd]

I honestly think we just have very different perspectives on the game and how it should be approached. I doubt it's a realtime thing so much as a "I strongly disagree with how you go about the game" thing.

I'm open to criticism/complaints even if you see it that way. I'm not infallible, and I also believe that meta is not a huge indicator of tells (which factor in playstyle) and that people are much much more dynamic.

There's a forbidden aspect of the game that we all instinctively think about based on how many people are in more than one game though, but this is a moot point (that I feel you would comprehend regardless)

[unwnd]

Hercule you don't need to give me an ISO but could you give me your townreads? Long or shortform is fine

[unwnd]

VOTE: Hopkirk

You guys don't know it yet, but this has been scum all along

[unwnd]

Maybe it's my own impatience but I've mulling over my vote on AGar and came to my own conclusion he isn't going to respond. The game has changed and so too is the way I read most players. Back in the day I'd come through their words to spot contradictions but I find scum nowadays don't really give a shit about making convincing arguments, no, it's more about the presentation. Something that makes townies go 'well, by effort and substantiation he must be town!' because people have gotten so traumatized by a red PM these days and believe scum just won't effort as much as town that it's almost bordering ridiculous. I am against this mindset because it assumes that people enjoy losing, which I'm pretty sure if you're playing any game the objective is to win.

This vote is something almost all of my team agree on. I don't really bode well with (post) (post) (post) analysis and instead giving a general description of what I see. As for what I see? I sorta let it slide but there was a moment where Hopkirk responded to me saying 'i kinda like to work list up and then down first, getting townreads'. This is fine in practice, yet he remained quite passive-aggressive. I also think that line alone is disingenuous but is playing a part of his style right now, which all seems quite excessive to me. I think Hopkirk in that instance only responded that way because it sounded good, not that he really believed it. If his MO was to look for townies and form townblocks, then what is his explanation of splintered ridicule throughout the ISO. The shift in dynamic doesn't bode with his own words. Go look at the way he silver tongues Hercule then ridicules others. This is not paraphrasing but this man really said 'don't like it when there's consequence for your actions, huh?' It's all based on

proving a point

which is both petty and scummy.

It'd be really easy and really lazy to say 'he is being LAMISTy' but seriously that's boring and using umbrella terms like that caution back to the days where people would do things like Why me = Fry me. Mafia Jargon doesn't make someone scum guys, and I actually think scum are more prone to be lazy about their reads because it's pretty difficult to try and convince people.

[unwnd]

'this means the quote is paraphrased'

"this means the quote is pretty much actual"

this is literally the quote

Alright so what does that ridicule mean for you and why are you not acting upon your own words?

[unwnd]

Why do I need to answer it? This setup isn't kingmaker yet you've approached the game as if it's your right to judge the peasants.

[unwnd]

I feel like you're just trying to convince yourself to scumread me at this point and taking the idea of aggression as personality flaw instead of lack of consistency in your own approach.

[unwnd]

what did menalaqe say. last time i'm asking this

Why is this what you care about the most?

[unwnd]

I don't get why this is what you lead on. Mena is not in this game, I am. Do you want him to say 'no, Hopkirk is playing to his aggressive meta and pushes things he believes in.' You'd be right. He did indeed say that. However, he also said that you're being weird and that you're acting different from the last game you were in with him. He believes your stance is exaggerated

[unwnd]

I mean

It's an interesting way to think about TM's dynamics, but I don't think it's grounded in reality

I also think you came up with it on the spot lol

[unwnd]

Yeah I get it this is another one of your 'proving the point' moments

[unwnd]

I am a bit fascinated by this push on hopkirk from unwnd. I townread hopkirk, though I presume when you say he "silvertongued me" that you mean he is pocketing me. I'm not seeing what you are seeing,

and suggesting that they are trying to prove a point when they speak, being petty, ridiculing things they think are dumb isn't scum-indicative for me, if anything it's town-indicative.

I am also curious as to the comment that "almost all" of your teammates scumread Hopkirk / agree with the vote. Can we get rundown of each one's thoughts in particular and how much of the game they have read? Doesn't have to be longform just a general idea

I think that's just perspective. The scathing criticism would be more potent if it lead to something, or had some greater purpose. I came away from this interaction pretty confused in the way he addressed my points, instead of focusing on singular tells based on if I was lying about my whole team agreeing if he were scum or not. It's all very showy and presentation-oriented. As far as the others, me and Mena went back and forth about a few things with me just mostly leading on my logic which turned into minor complaints about how I think scum play in very boring ways and that I'd be disappointing if my read actually turned out to be correct. Amy replaced out and Maria agreed with me when I was just like 'yeah I think he's scum', but I was biding my time to see what Hopkirk would do before I came back to it.

The result was nothing.

[unwnd]

I admit it was very lazy

I'm uh

A bit backloaded right now and I sincerely apologize, it matters a lot to me that my posts make sense.

[unwnd]

The read is absolutely true though, I just wasn't satisfied naked voting though

[unwnd]

Maybe it's my own impatience but I've mulling over my vote on AGar and came to my own conclusion he isn't going to respond. The game has changed and so too is the way I read most players. Back in the day I'd come through their words to spot contradictions but I find scum nowadays don't really give a shit about making convincing arguments, no, it's more about the presentation. Something that makes townies go 'well, by effort and substantiation he must be town!' because people have gotten so traumatized by a red PM these days and believe scum just won't effort as much as town that it's almost bordering ridiculous. I am against this mindset because it assumes that people enjoy losing, which I'm pretty sure if you're playing any game the objective is to win.

This vote is something almost all of my team agree on. I don't really bode well with (post) (post) (post) analysis and instead giving a general description of what I see. As for what I see? I sorta let it slide but there was a moment where Hopkirk responded to me saying 'i kinda like to work list up and then down first, getting townreads'. This is fine in practice, yet he remained quite passive-aggressive. I also think that line alone is disingenuous but is playing a part of his style right now, which all seems quite excessive to me. I think Hopkirk in that instance only responded that way because it sounded good, not that he really believed it. If his MO was to look for townies and form townblocks, then what is his explanation of splintered ridicule throughout the ISO. The shift in dynamic doesn't bode with his own words. Go look at the way he silver tongues Hercule then ridicules others. This is not paraphrasing but this man really said 'don't like it when there's consequence for your actions, huh?' It's all based on

proving a point

which is both petty and scummy.

It'd be really easy and really lazy to say 'he is being LAMISTy' but seriously that's boring and using umbrella terms like that caution back to the days where people would do things like Why me = Fry me. Mafia Jargon doesn't make someone scum guys, and I actually think scum are more prone to be lazy about their reads because it's pretty difficult to try and convince people.

I am confused.

You say scum don't give up, but they don't try and convince people. This is contradictory. Can you clarify?

Not a great post and I apologize. Focus on our interaction instead and tell me what you think

Just think of that post as necessary filler

[unwnd]

@unwnd, Can you link your case? I didn't see a case, which may be due to life. I'm inclined to disagree because I like his reads though.

Wouldn't even consider it a case at this point, just a callout of words and then us having a minor back-and-forth

Again, that is what should be considered or addressed

[unwnd]

Maybe it's my own impatience but I've mulling over my vote on AGar and came to my own conclusion he isn't going to respond. The game has changed and so too is the way I read most players. Back in the day I'd come through their words to spot contradictions but I find scum nowadays don't really give a shit about making convincing arguments, no, it's more about the presentation. Something that makes townies go 'well, by effort and substantiation he must be town!' because people have gotten so traumatized by a red PM these days and believe scum just won't effort as much as town that it's almost bordering ridiculous. I am against this mindset because it assumes that people enjoy losing, which I'm pretty sure if you're playing any game the objective is to win.

This vote is something almost all of my team agree on. I don't really bode well with (post) (post) (post) analysis and instead giving a general description of what I see.

As for what I see? I sorta let it slide but there was a moment where Hopkirk responded to me saying 'i kinda like to work list up and then down first, getting townreads'. This is fine in practice, yet he remained quite passive-aggressive. I also think that line alone is disingenuous but is playing a part of his style right now, which all seems quite excessive to me. I think Hopkirk in that instance only responded that way because it sounded good, not that he really believed it. If his MO was to look for townies and form townblocks, then what is his explanation of splintered ridicule throughout the ISO. The shift in dynamic doesn't bode with his own words. Go look at the way he silver tongues Hercule then ridicules others. This is not paraphrasing but this man really said 'don't like it when there's consequence for your actions, huh?' It's all based on

proving a point

which is both petty and scummy.

It'd be really easy and really lazy to say 'he is being LAMISTy' but seriously that's boring and using umbrella terms like that caution back to the days where people would do things like Why me = Fry me. Mafia Jargon doesn't make someone scum guys, and I actually think scum are more prone to be lazy about their reads because it's pretty difficult to try and convince people.

@titus this is it i am speeding this up hopefully i dont interfere with your methods

No chicken man please I syntax error'd like 5 times in there and there's like one or two sentences in it I actually like

[unwnd]

Lmao I love the conclusion you made chicken man

I'm super backloaded right now and I highly highly regret it

I am no coward though so I'm sorta just sifting through my priorities

Luckily I have time to redo my thoughts on Hopkirk, because I do feel strongly about it

[unwnd]

Shrine Maiden, but close

[unwnd]

You guys are embarrassing me and making me regret even attempting to case him

Should've just naked voted like all the mysterious people

[unwnd]

this is unwnd's most recent scumgame (i believe), hopefully me picking it out is less biased than unwnd picking a scumgame out. he definitely puts in the effort as scum, y'all can make your own conclusions about him if you want

I distanced my partners so damn well in that game just to get boxed in because FL took my fucking role

[unwnd]

Yeah my townlist looks like

Ceph
ABR
Oka
Hercule
(A50)

[unwnd]

Right now outside of hopkirk vote I am looking at

Flakes/the worst/Titus/Dunn

Then maybe DGB. I can't remember why I scumread IV but it's probably outdated. I want to look into AGar more sincerely before I decide if it was a great vote after all

[unwnd]

Just to scare you guys I am capable of faking laziness as scum and making posts like this (and bad cases)

But Ceph is right this is not the game

[unwnd]

Was my Hopkirk read daring? A bit. Was it poorly executed? A bit.

I was thinking over and I still don't regret what I was saying though. There is absolute truth there, just didn't place the right words. The post Dunn highlights about me saying 'I have a secret read' and thinking it's odd is kinda a spoiler itself. It was me saying 'well fuck, I am backloaded and if I don't say something about Hopkirk now it's gonna be lost.' Yes it's been in my PT but I won't go into semantics.

[unwnd]

I'm not coming back with just the Hopkirk read (just yet) because I want to be honest and say that this gamestate confuses me. I have a lot of uncomfortable nulls and I feel no closer to sorting them. AGar's wagon was the biggest movement I've seen thus far, and even then the votes seemed to fizzle out. People gained priority elsewhere and our doing their own thing. I believe the biggest shift of movement is on xtoxm, which is one of my nulls I want to sort. This is fine, but I thought a wagon of that caliber would at least..get some sort of buzz? The reception to AGar was mostly of compliance. It felt like scum looked at it and said 'jee that's a big wagon' then went on with their day. This confuses me especially if AGar is scum, because if my mate is run up that far I would at least bring attention to it or pretend to care. There are like two votes left in (Ythan, Dannflor) whose reasoning to vote there in the first place was pretty much just them following a trend.

I really didn't like AGar's response to Ceph. I haven't given him proper attention with that very post, but I do note the things he is saying to me. Playstyle difference is just the equilvalent of throwing my hands up and saying 'ok.' It puts me in a position where he's probably right. Spending time to interact with another will probably serve no purpose. I'm relying on the room to sort him at this point or even my own team, but we're not there anymore therefore this pretty much me saying we agree to disagree at this point.

[unwnd]

I do feel strongly about weird fucking gamestate though. You can read this however you want, but that also attributes why I posted that 'case' too soon, because I'm getting some paranoia. It's stifled me in properly assessing what the hell is bothering me. I feel like scum has a decent presence in this thread which is why I question the wagon on xtoxm, because it sorta developed out of nowhere for mostly unsubstantiated reasons? Unless I'm missing something. I don't think his content is worth considering townie but I also am at wait-and-see with him. Why is his wagon the one that is more talked about and noticed than AGar who had a very explicit and readable reaction. I'm not finding the hesitation in Xtoxm's words all that interesting.

[unwnd]

What does the squirrel mean ceph?

[unwnd]

Oh I think that pop-in is very strange. I've had a running theory about some things but I don't like making games about myself

[unwnd]

If people were wondering why I was townreading ABR it is the post above as I am completely in agreement lol

[unwnd]

I think Hopkirk is really scum and the more people keep calling him town the more it brings me to action

[unwnd]

Yeah sure, I'll play hardball.

I want to take away from the things I said in my #1250. Not repeating myself but this point to me is very integral to my thought, and generally speaking I do maintain that I don't like highlighting specific posts and instead create a general picture. Hopkirk's demeanor on the surface seems OK, but when it comes to aggression it all becomes merely proving a point. I believe that the former is a merely a veil and something he uses to establish tonal presence in the game, which is something I very much expect scum to do. It's one thing to just be a happy/friendly guy but the way he uses said friendliness just gives me the absolute creeps. Compare his earlygame to now and it's like he was tired of putting up the front. The poking and observing he was making in relation to what was going on all feels manufacted, such as the way he navigates coming around to Hercule (you can look at ISO if you want).

Actions speak louder than words, and maybe Hopkirk is aware of that. I think Hopkirk display a lot of self-consciousness if you dig into the way he words his posts to people as well. Just a ton of 'oh haha, was joking' or a necessity to over-explain an interaction by adding two more unprompted posts. How do I make this more clear? When I'm scum and I know I don't really believe what I'm saying, the best thing I can do is pretend it matters to me. Yet, referring back to what I said before. What does Hopkirk really have to show for his activity early on? Why is he not here and keeping up the same pace. I'm sure there will be a hipfire response from Hopkirk saying 'I'm just busy! Your case on me sucked! Grrrr' but I think my point absolutely stands. The pressure is on himself and I think he's playing a game he hates to be in. Sure, call that a stretch by why would me calling him out with a shitpush just boil his blood so much? Probably because scum feel indignant towards townies and don't wanna feel like they're catching onto them. Is this confbiased on my end? Maybe a little, but it should make you all realize that Hopkirk is only looking out for himself and everything he did earlier on was fake, and time has only solidified that stance.

[unwnd]

@unwnd, Do you think xtoxm is scum? We can only get one scum per day. We know your position on Hopkirk. It would help to know your position on Xtoxm.

VOTE: Xtoxm

I think he's very null right now, I made a minor stance about him earlier

[unwnd]

I'm parsing the information and wagon in front of me and sorta biding my time

[unwnd]

i hate that time makes me agree with these three posts that it's more likely to come from town than scum. shit tier cases and REFUSING TO FUCKING ANSWER A STRAIGHT QUESTION AND ACTUALLY HAVING THE BAD FAITH FUCKING OUTLOOK TO SAY 'NAH I DON'T NEED TO ANSWER' WHEN I'VE MADE IT CLEAR I NEED THAT ANSWER TO READ YOU is shitty play because it's outright uncooperative. this is a team game. until you refused to answer that i was going to get jokey annoyed then you made me actually legit annoyed with you.

Quit being sour grapes. I rewrote my thoughts a bit earlier. I don't see the point in dragging the dynamic of what my team says. Your only argument provided is that I fake an interaction because of Mena which is just preposterous.

[unwnd]

Yeah sure, I'll play hardball.

I want to take away from the things I said in my #1250. Not repeating myself but this point to me is very integral to my thought, and generally speaking I do maintain that I don't like highlighting specific posts and instead create a general picture. Hopkirk's demeanor on the surface seems OK, but when it comes to aggression it all becomes merely proving a point. I believe that the former is a merely a veil and something he uses to establish tonal presence in the game, which is something I very much expect scum to do. It's one thing to just be a happy/friendly guy but the way he uses said friendliness just gives me the absolute creeps. Compare his earlygame to now and it's like he was tired of putting up the front. The poking and observing he was making in relation to what was going on all feels manufacted, such as the way he navigates coming around to Hercule (you can look at ISO if you want).

Actions speak louder than words, and maybe Hopkirk is aware of that. I think Hopkirk display a lot of self-consciousness if you dig into the way he words his posts to people as well. Just a ton of 'oh haha, was joking' or a necessity to over-explain an interaction by adding two more unprompted posts. How do I make this more clear? When I'm scum and I know I don't really believe what I'm saying, the best thing I can do is pretend it matters to me. Yet, referring back to what I said before. What does Hopkirk really have to show for his activity early on? Why is he not here and keeping up the same pace. I'm sure there will be a hipfire response from Hopkirk saying 'I'm just busy! Your case on me sucked! Grrrr' but I think my point absolutely stands. The pressure is on himself and I think he's playing a game he hates to be in. Sure, call that a stretch by why would me calling him out with a shitpush just boil his blood so much? Probably because scum feel indignant towards townies and don't wanna feel like they're catching onto them. Is this confbiased on my end? Maybe a little, but it should make you all realize that Hopkirk is only looking out for himself and everything he did earlier on was fake, and time has only solidified that stance.

This instead Hopkirk.

[unwnd]

Also, why do you say things like 'I needed that to read you' when you've said you begrudgingly townread me despite the shitpush? Seems like you already decided your own narrative lol

[unwnd]

A rousing course of action, King Hopkirk

Nay, I am only a peasant

May I shine your shoes with my spit?

[unwnd]

mmm okay we think we know what you're talking about @Hopkirk, but we're not entirely sure. only thing that peta wants to say is that if it's what we're postulating at is that he thinks unwnd has more integrity than what we think you're accusing him of. spf thinks it's such a specific/complex thought process from you that it probably is town indicative.

and this convo is now so far in the weeds that I am considering it closed.

I know it's my fight but just saying scum finding roundabout reasons to justify their actions is more true than town. I think Hopkirk came up with the excuse of TM shit because it sounded good and nothing else

[unwnd]

I think Hopkirk is really scum and the more people keep calling him town the more it brings me to action

so now that i've done my amazing response to 1616 this & his previous stuff is pretty much an outright scumclaim from unwnd.
unwnd says in 1616 that i'm scummy because of reasons including me not keeping the same pace during the 1 hour i can spend on mafia during work evenings as the day where i spent 5 hours in the thread.
shocking discovery though -

unwnd claims his initial case on me had to be quick due to lack of time! it's almost like he's claiming scum since we can see his belief that not being able to play every minute of the day is scum indicative... so there's literally no possible explanation he can possibly have for not making his case on me at the beginning since that would mean he wasn't able to play then due to time, which he's established is scum indicative. nice job revealing yourself lol

- actually i'm putting my response to 1616 in a different post because that's not going to be a jokey tone

That's just not even true, I said my case was in fear of me losing the thought, and that the time was in reference to letting you do things before I was willing to push further on it. You didn't, so here we are.

[unwnd]

If you think I'm that easy to sink and that I'm just another shitpusher

You're in for a rude awakening lol

[unwnd]

If Hopkirk is secretly a jokey shitposter I'm uh

Not seeing it

I've been reading this as if I've threatened his whole being and I must pay

Like yeah I scumread you, but I'm not going to condemn your slot immediately

[unwnd]

If Hopkirk wants to find understanding through jokey shitposting I'm not like against it

Or combing through my words

Either one is fine

[unwnd]

I feel like your response to me boils down to 'check with Mena on my meta, btw here's my meta and I'm very busy'

OK, that's fine. Understandable. I have a lot of time on my hands but that doesn't mean you do. That isn't what I was trying to explain. You could spend your time more efficiently or in ways that I would percieve to be townie. If you felt my argument was semantics then you could've addressed that, but instead I now know your life schedule because ????

[unwnd]

The point of my 'case' on you was never to indict you and make you serve sentence. It was to let people know where I was at and in turn see if anyone agreed

So far, the active majority does not. I don't believe in dragging arguments to 10 pages over pettiness. It seems you were upset about me ignoring your question, but to me that question is baseless. Even now, Mena says he's confused about your approach. I am too. I care not about your meta and I will never consider someone's meta as an absolute tell for their alignment. Why is that the first thing you focused on when it came to what I said about you? You didn't mention how I was wrong about you pocketing hercule or feeling like that what you said earlier mattered.

[unwnd]

I lose interest when people start using words like deepwolf, LHF and LAMIST. Anyways can we flip Xtoxm?

I agree they're stupid as fuck, literally just the new (Why Me = Fry Me/VI/etc.) shit of the new decade

[unwnd]

so it's very difficult to respond to a case that doesn't get specific because i can't really respond to those with anything other than: 'no? does not reflect reality.' which is what i did. the other points i responded to amazingly

you needed to know my life schedule because it felt funny to post that tbh. i've played with someone who posted their uni timetable before to 'prove' their alignment and it was hilarious

I mean I just think it's easy to say 'this is not a specific case' because I didn't attribute actual posts of yours

At this rate I'm not getting anywhere, you did nothing wrong and I shitpushed you but at the same time you just happened to be sprung into action because of it

I very very much doubt it, but I'm not fighting against the crowd who at this point is just taking (funny) potshots at both of us. What do you think of the current xtoxm wagon? I'm null on him

[unwnd]

i feel like you were pushing with intent of a response about things which boil down to 'theories/vibes' then?
xtoxm is in my POE leaning towards the side of 'i have no townpings from them' which is what i like to call the scummy side of the POE. i want to get through my whole poe's isos when i can do it all in one go. i considered an xtoxm vote because it feels like their presence is essentially null and it didn't townping in any way i can remember

Yeah I mean it's D1. I'm never gonna assume I have the answers. I almost responded to the 'toxic 1v1' thing and just wanted to say I hate those. I'm a bleeding heart and I almost always wanna find reasons to townread someone or just have misunderstanding, because I see too many games where scum just watch town rip each other apart lol

[unwnd]

i feel like you were pushing with intent of a response about things which boil down to 'theories/vibes' then?
xtoxm is in my POE leaning towards the side of 'i have no townpings from them' which is what i like to call the scummy side of the POE. i want to get through my whole poe's isos when i can do it all in one go. i considered an xtoxm vote because it feels like their presence is essentially null and it didn't townping in any way i can remember

Yeah I mean it's D1. I'm never gonna assume I have the answers. I almost responded to the 'toxic 1v1' thing and just wanted to say I hate those. I'm a bleeding heart and I almost always wanna find reasons to townread someone or just have misunderstanding, because I see too many games where scum just watch town rip each other apart lol

some of my comments were a bit much actually and i'd like to apologize. i was frustrated, and apparently being in a mindset where i'm going to do jokey anger fairly easily leads into actual annoyance.

I was jabbing you back calling you King Hopkirk and everything so no worries

I think this interaction makes me put you in a 'sorta null and dont wanna confbias you' position and just generally the whole

Not wanting to make the thread about myself

[unwnd]

Evil is never the answer

Unless it's super funny

[unwnd]

....That's not how I felt at all actually?

[unwnd]

Spoiler:

It's because Dunn is scum

[unwnd]

Lingering thoughts on why I'm very uncomfortable with this gamestate. You said 'well, you didn't direct as to why scum is leading it' and I feel that's not the full picture.

For me, it's not that I think scum is leading it or controlling it, no, rather that they're embedded within some of the townlists

[unwnd]

It is absolutely not just an explanation I came up with, I've been slowly alluding to what's troubling me about gamestate

DGB pulled me over a bit and asked me 'you can spoiler what's bothering you' and it's that right now I think scum are lazily townreading each other and getting away with it lol

[unwnd]

More like general annoyance? I don't know where you gathered preflip speculation from this honestly?

Townreads on you are undeserved, you've had the same qualm with me up until now where I am apparently scum for paying attention to your own progression.

[unwnd]

I'm interested in an elaboration on this theory.

I feel like there's scum in DGB/the worst. Nobody's interested in bandwagonning them.

Spoiler:

And I think that's absolutely intentional and I'm scrapping with motherfuckers. Biased but whatever. That's why I'm not really interested in xtoxm lim because it doesn't personally benefit me.

[unwnd]

The basis of those scumreads are not just (oh, they townread dunn so add them into a provebial list of people aligned with him), rather, I scumread them independently which makes me account for who they say they're townreading/scumreading instead

[unwnd]

Don't worry about it ABR if you don't understand it

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

[unwnd]

Is this not the preflip speculation?

I wouldn't scumread you for preflip association entirely, but I do think there is some weird shit you're doing

I'd rather go after DGB if there's willing people

[unwnd]

Well for one

I have a team to rely upon to use as necessary feedback if I want it. Rest assured I am posting in our PT going 'hey I'm not sure what the fuck dunn is doing' and then taking their feedback. That's kinda why meta especially in this game is stupid because you have 4 other people who can help co-opt posts

[unwnd]

Your argument is leading on my own meta is it not? You keep saying this isn't how I approach the game as town, and earlier you started to say +++scum because of Maria or something

Like it's all just nonsense

[unwnd]

Ceph all I'm going to say is that there's fuckery going about

This is like two arguments now that I feel my point is being misconstrued, so I am either extremely off-base or being manipulated. I don't like to assume the latter

[unwnd]

Might just be too lost in the sauce. I'm not trying to play a perfect game and dunn is accusing me of preflip bs but

I get this way when I feel I'm not surrounded by town lol

[unwnd]

also i could try the iso again but i was leaning town on dgb

idk man you gotta explain this shit if you want it to do anything for me

What were you leaning town on them for?

[unwnd]

I cannot describe what's weirding me out about Dunn. I mean I can, but at this point I would expending a lot of energy for something that probably doesn't give results, and I am basing that on what happened a bit with Hopkirk as well. Typically speaking, I just like putting shit out and seeing what people think.

TM is a more cautious environment though I think, and I'm kinda annoyed that the two people I've confronted have lead with 'well what does your partner think' or as explained dunn going 'well if Maria thinks that's it's +++scum'

Such bullshit lol

[unwnd]

...You're implying it's not a direct thing to Maria? You think Mena has meta with you or you have such a relationship that it would ping you as town?

Cmon Dunn, you're not that dense

[unwnd]

I still don't understand how that makes your argument any less weird lol

[unwnd]

So what you're saying is that your argument is dumb meta but also it's TM tells

[unwnd]

Dunn your argument is meta in a TM game where meta of all things should be thrown out of the fucking window

I think you're weird in this game, I make the decisions at the end of the day. I make the posts. If Maria had a scumread on you I feel like you're trying to say I'm leading on you for..faking that? Or her saying to me 'hey unwnd it'd be sick as mafia if you said i have a scumread on dunn teehee'

[unwnd]

YOU WERE THE ONE WHO STARTED IT DUNN LOL

[unwnd]

What's problematic for me?

What?

[unwnd]

Yes please do and see how stupid this argument is

[unwnd]

Why can't i just have a read i want to express in the thread to see how others feel about it lol

[unwnd]

This only came to fruition cause you confronted me, man

I'm just explaining my thought process

[unwnd]

No....?

Dunn this is insane

[unwnd]

This only came to fruition cause you confronted me, man

I'm just explaining my thought process

Why can't i just have a read i want to express in the thread to see how others feel about it lol

[unwnd]

This will forever be my response to anything Dunn is doing right now

[unwnd]

Wtf are you talking about

[unwnd]

I dont understand your thought process unwnd

That could've saved like 2 pages

Man i guess I'm just really fucking off

[unwnd]

I think it's best if I maintain a bit of secrecy, but was shocked when I finally tried to be open about my thoughts (even if a bit scattered)

I was caught in this situation. I don't wanna lim dunn D1 therefore I just threw his name out and wanted to see what happen

[unwnd]

Heh

Wasn't the intent but it happens. If people don't get it then I either didn't explain it well enough or like

It's just not people's priority. I was just on personal matters because I feel very disconnected by the thread right now, but I guess it's a bit mutual..

[unwnd]

i've been practicing radio silence but I am willing to consolidate on xtoxm

[unwnd]

VOTE: Xtoxm

Declare intent to hammer. This can end on this and I think we'll be OK

[unwnd]

UNVOTE:

I want to hear it Dann

[unwnd]

VOTE: xtoxm

I disagree with a few reads but it just feeds back into the weirdness I have and the weirdness people see in me as well lol

[unwnd]

Yeah I don't think the attempts were all that fruitful unfortunately. At some point you just have to swallow your pride and let the game progress. It also might not help this is Team Mafia as wlel

[unwnd]

I was TRing ABR on his hesitance actually, and keeping a low-profile in unobtrusive ways. I do agree that post is really odd however and does not match what he's been doing

[unwnd]

Last game I played with ABR as opposite alignments I caught Him/Gamma and his approach was readily different. This is no meta read, but when he said 'yes, I have changed' I bought into that mentality and give him a pass so long as we agreed on the basis of reads

[unwnd]

I possibly vibe

[unwnd]

VOTE: ABR

[unwnd]

mastina, could you give me a deeper look on Hercule and why you think it's scum? I might've wrote him off too soon

[unwnd]

I don't meta townread him

I think his slot is disgustingly null so even on a redlfip you only gain +1 worth of days to sort the rest of scum who would just be letting him die

[unwnd]

What is it with people not handling being scumread? Like ABR of all fucking people had the most level-headed response lol

[unwnd]

Nah was at xtoxm

ABR probably slips into null just based on this page and page before though

[unwnd]

Here's my take on xtoxm and why I think he's null

You have to put yourself in a suspension of disbelief that xtoxm (along with his partners) see he's at E-2 whatever and not have some sort of reaction to it? If that's a gameplan and he's just going down for the towncred, who the hell is bussing him? There is slanker scum, I'm not denying that possibility. It's just that I think even the most feeble scum could see the town rallying to kill him and at least want to do some FUD before they're out the door

[unwnd]

Fear, uncertainty, doubt

It's a logical fallacy, and a tactic used by scum in order to polarize town into possibly making a wrong decision.

[unwnd]

UNVOTE:

[unwnd]

Here's my take on xtoxm and why I think he's null

You have to put yourself in a suspension of disbelief that xtoxm (along with his partners) see he's at E-2 whatever and not have some sort of reaction to it? If that's a gameplan and he's just going down for the towncred, who the hell is bussing him? There is slanker scum, I'm not denying that possibility. It's just that I think even the most feeble scum could see the town rallying to kill him and at least want to do some FUD before they're out the door

I would like this answered from the 'xtoxm is obvscum' crowd

[unwnd]

Here's my take on xtoxm and why I think he's null

You have to put yourself in a suspension of disbelief that xtoxm (along with his partners) see he's at E-2 whatever and not have some sort of reaction to it? If that's a gameplan and he's just going down for the towncred, who the hell is bussing him? There is slanker scum, I'm not denying that possibility. It's just that I think even the most feeble scum could see the town rallying to kill him and at least want to do some FUD before they're out the door

I would like this answered from the 'xtoxm is obvscum' crowd

The wagon dissipated but I'm not letting this go, people

[unwnd]

Just going to reel this back in

How common is it in current meta (e.g not exclusive to a player) for them to go 'oh yeah I don't give a shit about this wagon on me', because people are so prone to emotion these days lol

[unwnd]

Maybe back then? People could do the 'no care' thing as scum

But times have changed, and I think scum are picking up that posting a lot!means you're town. This is what is weirding me out about the gamestate people, Oka might post a lot but there is clear difference in what he is posting

[unwnd]

Here's my take on xtoxm and why I think he's null

You have to put yourself in a suspension of disbelief that xtoxm (along with his partners) see he's at E-2 whatever and not have some sort of reaction to it? If that's a gameplan and he's just going down for the towncred, who the hell is bussing him? There is slanker scum, I'm not denying that possibility. It's just that I think even the most feeble scum could see the town rallying to kill him and at least want to do some FUD before they're out the door

I would like this answered from the 'xtoxm is obvscum' crowd

The wagon dissipated but I'm not letting this go, people

The logic worst and I have come up with basically means he got caught in a logical trap and doubled down on his logical misgivings which means he really doesn't have an out because he is so clearly and provably wrong, he can't refute it with "no I'm actually correct." Instead his angle was to address the admittedly weaker parts of the case and hopefully sidestep it that way, which doesn't necessarily imply scum are bussing him, they might've just dumped him and realized it's a lost cause. I really do not know how xtoxm can escape the hole he has dug specifically because he has doubled down, but I do think his doubling down in spite of me literally showing him why he was wrong meant that he was prioritizing showing of a Titus townread rather than coming to one naturally for whatever reasons.

But it is d1 and flipping scum on d1 is a hard thing, so I mean I can be "confident" in the same way I can be "confident" the Lakers are going to win the championship one game into the NBA season.

I like your thought but why doesn't he just say 'oh well I made a mistake and shit happens'

I've done it
Dunn has done it

[unwnd]

Big egos come out in Team Mafia.

Basically, yeah.

How common is it in current meta (e.g not exclusive to a player) for them to go 'oh yeah I don't give a shit about this wagon on me', because people are so prone to emotion these days lol

VERY uncommon. Most scum in the current meta end up fairly defensive, and unfortunately, so do a lot of town. (Scum defensiveness is notably more common than town defensiveness, but town defensiveness is a thing.)

ABR is a player I'd expect to not conform to the meta regardless of his alignment, to play his own style of game, but I will say this:
I feel like if ABR were actually scum here, he would be efforting. Not in self-defense, but in hyper-aggression.

Him not defending himself isn't what I'd call town--him not going hyper-aggro while he is under pressure IS.

Yeah that's kinda why I hesitate on xtoxm

It's not a townread mind you but yeah

[unwnd]

Yeah, but do you do that while trying to do at least..something?

[unwnd]

Ceph I've loved your posting so far don't become a bitter buffalo cause of mastina

[unwnd]

who is expressing such certainty that xtoxm is scum

I feel like this sudden concern about a phantom group of people that are deadset on xtoxm obv scum is made up

he's scummy but like ??? it's day 1 in a large if either of you flipped town I would be frustrated but not surprised

My statement was a bit exaggerated for effect, I lead with this in sort of a reactive sense

I do think though that if you're voting someone, you think they're scum

And that was like 8 people lol

[unwnd]

who is expressing such certainty that xtoxm is scum

I feel like this sudden concern about a phantom group of people that are deadset on xtoxm obv scum is made up

he's scummy but like ??? it's day 1 in a large if either of you flipped town I would be frustrated but not surprised

My statement was a bit exaggerated for effect, I lead with this in sort of a reactive sense

I do think though that if you're voting someone, you think they're scum

And that was like 8 people lol

Dann?

[unwnd]

In another timeline Xtoxm was hammered

I'm sorry I let everyone down

[unwnd]

Hammered like drunk right? I think you're right where you need to be bud

[unwnd]

Does anyone else feel like everyone is using the word vibe this game

I vibe with this

[unwnd]

AGar coming in and saying 'this mastina nonsense' is actually scummy and like my heart wants to believe it

But I'm not sure if the brain agrees..

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...Who is defending xtoxm besides like mastina?

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Intent to hammer

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You know what

Before mastina gets back

VOTE: Xtoxm

[unwnd]

V/LA for the weekend, maybe longer

I'm moving sooner than I thought.

[unwnd]

I feel very disillusioned by these recent pages

Like the words are just blurring to me

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ABR if I hammer you who's next?

I kinda think you're town, and if I'm wrong then silly me and I need to reevaluate and stop being so uncomfortable

[unwnd]

Reads before you die

Don't need to be elaborated, just a name of people

[unwnd]

That kinda sucks

You're saying you were just leading with momentum but don't really know what's going on?

[unwnd]

VOTE: ABR

I'm gonna look into your reads regardless

[unwnd]

I think Oka is probably town being manipulated by a good amount of scum

And the people who keep coming at me for making these suggestions like

Are you entertained by the way this day went down?

[unwnd]

Personally it's a bit annoying

I clearly don't have the answers, but I don't feel like anyone had to justify their vote onto anyone, which is an integral part of the game.

[unwnd]

I don't feel it's in ABR's scum cards to play up his offense in this way

[unwnd]

I don't think we move because we've moved like 5 times now

Further movement is just letting scum get away with unsubstantiated votes

I feel I hinted towards this

[unwnd]

My Ceph read isn't developed but I'm not willing to change it because at pure tone I think him being pissy and calling out people who have less than positive opinions of him

Is more townie, I think Ceph really just wanted to have fun and now he's not having fun at all lol

[unwnd]

Honestly just back to xtoxm would be fine? I'd even follow

The dispersed votes inbetween his wagons are telling though for future days

[unwnd]

I don't think we move because we've moved like 5 times now

Further movement is just letting scum get away with unsubstantiated votes

I feel I hinted towards this

unsubstantiated votes get harder to substantiate when we look back! I love them!

why consolidate on someone you're talking yourself into townreading though? serious question, if I wasn't null on abr I'd probably be trying to talk myself out of policying

Game health makes easier games

Go look at TENET, that game was lost on D1 from self-immolation.

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I mean I just wanna say that my goal changed from 'liming scum' to 'maintain town morale'

Is it a bit backwards? Yeah, but I just don't think scum dies this phase, even in some possibility that scum has been wagoned before. I again also maintain that it was very annoying some people would say 'but unwnd what does it all mean' it means I want to talk about it and that perspective brings more enlightenment.