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..ohIn post 937, flow trap wrote:Accidental SpamIn post 936, Morning Tweet wrote:T3 is always so fucking scummy-- HOLY SHIT 140 posts by T3?
I'm used to them more just popping in on occasion and sounding bad, what's going on to make them second highest poster
I think i might be conflating Ich's reads with reads that reflect the entire gamestate which was a mistake on my partflow trap wrote:It might've been both .__.In post 935, Morning Tweet wrote:pedit: Oh i got it twisted, i see
Huh? Who is going to take advantage of my slightly educated but mostly uninformed guess?In post 948, redtea wrote:i wouldve iso'd some more before putting this out there- because it feels only informed by end of d1, and we don't need others taking advantage of an uninformed guess like this.In post 933, Morning Tweet wrote:as a completely off the cuff guess, how viable is a Farren/T3/redtea team
Farren and T3 already gone over since they seem scumread and also the wagon stall which seems odd that 3 people would just not vote
(had this thought before i finished reading MT's posts, still wanted to say it in case it's relevant In The Future)
I was under the impression those were the more consensus town but i think i forget how early this game is so i dont think that really exists yetIn post 948, redtea wrote:kind of curious on the "hinges on the ich/flow/dann townbloc" part
this comes off as townyIn post 950, flow trap wrote:OMWUS :3In post 947, redtea wrote:if I had had the time for it, i might've seen if others could be convinced to vote flow trap.
Idk if I even said my SR on you though :lol:
whatIn post 112, Farren wrote:I don't like this post. It sounds like an appeal to authority.In post 102, northsidegal wrote:i think that if i were RC i would kill you for this post aloneIn post 26, flow trap wrote:North has said nothing scummy idk why there's a wagon on them
Flow's early game does come across as odd to me, im not sure if i could have quantified it like this though.In post 134, Dannflor wrote:I was also immediately pinged by #26. It is averyodd comment to make two pages into the game when there are only two ostensibly RVS votes on northsidegal. This is compounded by the fact that Farren explained his vote clearly only a few votes before.
so, it seems like flow trap is both just posting an observation to post without actually thinking about the game on a deeper level. I also thought a townie entering the game here would interact more with the people already posting, or even join the already built wagon.
flow trap did neither so my observation in #13 was less tongue-in-cheek than might have been first interpreted. I didn't really scum read flow trap off of that, but that was my first reaction of, "huh that's a bit awkward." but then I tried to coax flow trap to join the wagon on NSG and they just refused for seemingly no real reason. I felt like he was using the cutesy-memey responses to avoid having to take responsibility foractivelyavoiding the wagon.
like i tend to think townies, especially in RVS, are on average more likely to swing their vote around and build wagons even for n/a reasons. I don't know flow trap and I'm probably not going to meta them anytime soon but I am still lacking a sense of why their approach to voting nsg was like oil on water
I don't think that overall really says anything about northsidegal's alignment, more just that flow trap seemed to be deliberately avoiding taking a bold stance (like being the third vote on a wagon could be seen as)
So you put flow trap in your town block 5 minutes ago, but you can't remember any reason why, and you're townreading NSG for being wrong.In post 159, T3 wrote:Because you used bad reasoning but were correct as to why in your townread of me so I think the thought was real.In post 153, northsidegal wrote:why are you townreading me or flow trap?
Actually I don't know why I'm townreading flow trap.
That felt good to you?In post 161, Dannflor wrote:I can maybe see T3 town now
Why say this
Not the first time i've seen Ich misinterpret/not know part of setup (as town), although this is admittedly kind of different from rpg i guessIn post 166, Ich Troje wrote:ah fuck there are 3 scum i thought it was only 2 :sob:
But what did you make of that? Were you pointing it out because it was questionable?In post 179, Dannflor wrote:iche troje has made like 3 posts that could be conceived as "town slips"
I hate that im scumreading T3 cause i dont know if im scumreading the portion of their play that is baseline always scummy or not. In particular right now it's feeling like he doesn't have a deeper thought process whereas as town i feel like he has one it's just chaotic as shitIn post 199, T3 wrote:I think Ich openly saying "yeah, the slip is NAI is towny"?
I want to say T3 doesnt do this to a partner since he loses no matter what he does if someone votes scum!flow, whereas he wins no matter what if someone puts flow to E-1 (he can hammer, flow was a more scummy consensus player, or he can not hammer and it's whatever since flow is town). If that makes ANY senseIn post 203, T3 wrote:I would definitely lolhammer flow by the way;
In post 225, Esooa wrote:post 26 is really bad but iirc from playing with flow trap before he just makes posts like that lmfao
my first impulse is vibing with flow!town + T3!scum presentlyIn post 226, Esooa wrote:wow that t3 spam was awful
Kinda scummy too, he's being way more jokey than I remember as town, where he basically wasn't at all
Hmm this is a fairly good reaction to Esooa's read I thinkIn post 278, Dannflor wrote:I don't particularly like the town read on me - it feels... idk if im just like particularly sensitive to town reads on me but I always get the impression that people will glance over a wall post of mine and be like "oh I should town read them"In post 270, northsidegal wrote:also interested to hear dann's opinion on esooa's ISO up until this point.
and I feel like that's usually more likely to come from scum. like she didn't really engage with any part of my post or explain *what* about my explanation was good? #232 feels kinda tacked on to fill in for the original read's weakness, although to be fair I have come to a town read for similar reasons as asking the same questions
the rest of the iso ranges from fiiiine to good I think. I feel like I'm missing where exactly the reads are coming from in some instances, which is why I'm asking about the t3 one specifically, the Farren push reads mostly genuine though
although because of that right now I feel like they could make a good flow trap partner so my hero solve right now is gonna be esooa + flowtrap + someone else random I don't know yet. but that's me at 2:30 am talking
why did you ask me specifically and why about this slot specifically? also if i may return the favor, thoughts on redtea?
Those are good townreads i think for that pointIn post 308, Ich Troje wrote:Flow and Farren are locktown for me atp.
My gun to head now is that Esooa/Dannfloor/NSG/redtea contains all 3 scum, listed by strength of read.
Fucking hell, i mean... maybe. Alternatively, scum can let T3 scum his way out of the game, let town push him, profit ??. I'm not sure scum is more likely to just write him down as a scumreadIn post 336, Dannflor wrote:I'm wary of the secondary tier T3 scum reads because I feel like if town - he's going to be a slot scum are always going to want to have in their back pocket as a miselim
like the way people are sort of dancing around his slot is feeling... performative? at the very least it makes me think Enchant/T3 are less likely to be aligned - the "meta I can't talk about" is a non-case but also taken seriously enough that it reads genuine. could easily be scum picking a random push on an easy townie but i lean towards that not being an lolrandom bus
Ugh ugh ugh I get weird feelings whenever Dann talks to anyone rn i dont know why.In post 337, Dannflor wrote:honestly I feel like you don't randomly hop on a new wagon, while you still had traction on the old wagon, admit you are still scum reading your old wagon, and then claim your only reason for starting the new wagon is "I felt like it," as scumIn post 335, Esooa wrote:ask them why you're town reading meIn post 334, Dannflor wrote:btw I think I'm town reading both flow trap and esooa now
all questions can go to my manager
actually both of us
it just feels very comfortable, which honestly weren't the vibes I was getting from you at the start of the game! so maybe I'm a clown and you've settled in but that sequence of events is just like
idk I would have expected you to make up a more "legitimate" sounding reason at some point, or shown a read progression, but you just openly admitted you did not
I will elaborate on flow trap in probably a bigger reads list a little later in the day, I'm waiting for nsg to post a little more and specifically curious if her read on flowtrap has changed at all
T3 sheeps Farren who he was wanting to yeet into hell earlier onto Esooa because reasons. It's probably pointless for me to even point out this kinda stuff i guess, but i could see maybe distancing as a reason. That's probably a huge stretch rn though to assign that kind of reasoning but yeah
Are these three constantly talking to each other or am I losing my mind over nothing because im just focusing on them moreIn post 368, Esooa wrote:T3 can you give an actual read on me
So both Esooa and Dann have come around on each otherIn post 382, Esooa wrote:you and dann town
t3, farren, redtea wolf
then there's what.. flowtrap? They seem fine. I don't remember the rest. Oh yeah, enchant. I think their reasoning for voting t3 was towny but it's something I've seen better wolves use, I think it's probably towny though. As for koba, one sec
In post 396, flow trap wrote:Because I'm doing like 4 things at once and I only have the energy for small things :shifty:In post 395, Dannflor wrote:uhhh i have thoughts on the last page but it'll have to wait until after work
flow trap why does it seem like you don't have an opinion on this nsg / esooa back and forth
hahaha ily flowIn post 398, flow trap wrote:Also, I'm having a hard time understanding what they're talking about
I'm crossing my fingers that T3 does something crazy to justify not killing esooa after she almost dies, or something, so i can be right. But yea let's see lets seeIn post 432, T3 wrote:I don't have a read on you but I think Ich is town -> that implies you are scum.In post 368, Esooa wrote:T3 can you give an actual read on me
Okay not to be blatantly biased, but isn't scum typically the alignment that is more hyper sensitive to reads being made on them (at least intuitively i would think they'd be)In post 451, Ich Troje wrote:^ does town NSG actually not notice when someone strongly thinks there is a possibility they are scumIn post 446, northsidegal wrote:i don't really recall seeing anything from you that seemed to really warrant a response. was there some question i missed? apart from that, all i remember is just a general suspicion you had of me, and the thought that i discredit people as scum, or something. (that's not an attempt to downplay what you said, i'm really just speaking off memory here)In post 441, Ich Troje wrote:despite me throwing a pretty large amount of shade your way, you have not commented on it at all to the best of my memory, why is that?
only played with a townstump NSG who might as well have flaked out of boredom so yeah.
Dann gives me the impression he feels like he's got something, but simultaneously it does feel a *liiittle* bit like he's harping on a minor point and making it seem larger than it is. Like, asking a rhetorical question isn't really... a playstyle, is it.In post 458, Dannflor wrote:I just don't remember you as being a very rhetorical playerIn post 456, northsidegal wrote:that is to say, the question is meant to demonstrate what i'm thinking, but also meant to be posed sort of to the playerlist at large rather than just to esooa.
as far as the addressing the actual point on Esooa, I am really not what you are seeing either - which may have contributed to how much I balked at your posting there
like I feel #385 is evidence of a deeper thought process running underneath esooa's earlier actions, not evidence that she is making up reads on the spot. it's consistent with her earlier actions and I think the fact that it is more developed is just a consequence of being prompted to share some of that underlying thought process.
could you elaborate on what you found scummy in their initial posting spree?
In post 499, T3 wrote:This reaction reads to me as genuine?
Oh my fucking god all of Esooa/T3/Dann have scumread each other but ended up retracting and my pattern recognition is going nuts for it
This is the kinda read I make as scum in order to justify not voting someoneIn post 336, Dannflor wrote:I'm wary of the secondary tier T3 scum reads because I feel like if town - he's going to be a slot scum are always going to want to have in their back pocket as a miselim
like the way people are sort of dancing around his slot is feeling... performative? at the very least it makes me think Enchant/T3 are less likely to be aligned - the "meta I can't talk about" is a non-case but also taken seriously enough that it reads genuine. could easily be scum picking a random push on an easy townie but i lean towards that not being an lolrandom bus
In post 159, T3 wrote:Because you used bad reasoning but were correct as to why in your townread of me so I think the thought was real.In post 153, northsidegal wrote:why are you townreading me or flow trap?
Actually I don't know why I'm townreading flow trap.
In post 161, Dannflor wrote:I can maybe see T3 town now
First because im not exactly sure why Dann townread that (see my point i made earlier, this is showing a lack of thought process by T3 -- he forgot the read like 5 minutes after he made it. Usually i townread T3 when he seems to have some deeper thinking, not missing it!). But also T3's response.. just like why do you say that.. it just seems like awkwardly feeling like u gotta reply to partner to distance i d f k.
OH I want to look at this bit againIn post 969, redtea wrote:1. esooa calls ich's post "the wolfiest in the thread"In post 388, northsidegal wrote:would you further agree that, if you think that that is the wolfiest post in the thread, the fact that your initial reaction to what troje said about your meta was to imply that they were not up to date on it rather than to think that they were scum simply lying to push you somewhat indicates that you actually believe (or are informed) that troje is town?
2. the generous route is to say "you're not up to date on my meta, get your shit together." the ungenerous route is to say "you're scum making shit up. this doesn't even line up with my meta."
3. despite esooa's wolfy read of ich's post, she takes the generous route
4. so the question posed is: why is esooa, especially considering her meta, being generous and defensive, instead of firing back?
now that i'm laying it out, i don't think i fully comprehended this post at the time lmao
nsg kicks ass
i dont have anywhere to go with this im just being a helpful teacher's pet because i crave human interaction and have nothing else to do
Okay so the question didn't feel "intentional" to Dann, it seemed more showy than actually asked for a purpose. I believe I am understanding this right.In post 454, Dannflor wrote:Honestly? I expected you to say you were trying to model some facet of RC's play this game, or that you were trying to push or question more aggressively, or something along those lines.In post 447, northsidegal wrote:by the way dann, i'm curious. i'm decently confident that you're relatively similar to me when it comes to following a flow of making a prediction, asking a question, and updating based on the response. so what was your prediction for this question, and how would you have updated either way i would have answered it?
I feel like there's a noticeable shift in the way you're approaching slots that I'm not used to seeing from you, (using Mini Normal 2187: PIFiMDM as my point of reference) and I asked because I think you are a player who would reasonably try to evolve or change or adapt their gameplay for a variety of reasons.
My model of you as a player is similar to what you've described as first making a prediction, then asking a question, and then updating whether privately or publicly. I also think you are like me in that you tend to spend a good amount of time observing before completely outing everything in your head, before later in the game becoming more completely transparent as you try to put all the information you've collected together. But specifically I also don't think of you as someone who likes to "lead the witness" or ask questions you know you're not going to get a revealing answer from. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you're someone who like builds a case against someone by like putting pressure on someone until they crack - you ask questions yes but you usually also try to give enough space to let that person comfortably show that they are town
This is why I asked you that question because I don't feel you've been playing the way I expect you to, most egregiously in your back and forth with esooa
specifically posts #386 and #388 felt very... out of character for my conception of how you would react in this situation. both questions appear to me to not really be questions? Like I don't believe you actually thought you were going to get a informative answer out of esooa either way here. You're framing an observation or essentially a "case" as a question for the person you're accusing, and not really in a way that allows for esooa to respond in any other way than basically "uh no" which is indeed how she reacted. you say you don't normally like to "lead the witness" and it feels like that is exactly what you're doing.
like did you actually get anything out of asking those questions? you disappeared from the conversation after you asked them. it feels more like a "gotcha" than you were genuinely interested in figuring out if there was a townie motivation for esooa's read there.
would you agree, that if town, esooa probably isn't going to respond to #388 with anything other than a variation of "uh no?" would you expect scum!esooa to have a different answer?
I got the point you were making on that page but honestly? it feels more like you found something scummy you could push rather than you finding an inconsistency and wanting to genuinely question it.
i laughedIn post 492, Esooa wrote:because you're being pocketed. Get some better reads. Maybe reading glassesIn post 483, Ich Troje wrote:Because of a lack of push on me this game d1, I've been notably different thus far than my usual towngames, why did you put me at the top?
Hmmmm so T3 offered more reasons in response to the first round of replies by Esooa. and then Esooa snapped at him, I seeIn post 496, Esooa wrote:you mean the same game I literally coasted the entirety of day 2 without doing anything?In post 494, T3 wrote:Town!Esooa did a lot of analyzing the specific post/page in happy face and not much blanket reading. That was really the only thing that stood out.
Stop fucking using meta. This is unbelievable. It's so bad.
Also, VOTE: T3
In post 499, T3 wrote:This reaction reads to me as genuine?
Granted this does shake my confidence a bit. It actually kinda comes off more as appeasing Esooa than a distance, I think. Especially considering Esooa never lets up on T3 for the rest of the game. Maybe misread Esooa possibly
In post 504, Dannflor wrote:Esooa can you elaborate on your nsg read
So Esooa is the primary wagon with NSG as the secondary, but Esooa TRs NSG so she's voting T3 at the moment. Dann asks for Esooa to elaborate on NSG. I was going to make a point about mayyybe scum motivations for this but tbh there are too many possible motivations so whatever
In post 530, Ich Troje wrote:i tried to meta redtea and their towngame has a depth that is not present here but also they've had town games where they literally just half flake and its -_- how do I read this shit.
VOTE: redtea fuck it.
WIM is at an all time low and we need a flip to kickstart this shit b4 apathy sets in
praying for a scum flip
sorry for sending u to hell redtea
I'm sooooort of doubting Ich bothers to fake thisIn post 541, Ich Troje wrote:i actually thought it was when I posted but when I said yea i knew it wasn't lol
That'd have been incredibleIn post 632, northsidegal wrote:hahaha, that is a completely backwards and paranoiac takeIn post 627, Ich Troje wrote:Last night when i saw the posts I briefly thought a dann/redtea/nsg team was viable based on thinking that there was beatlejuice going on to save redtea but on reflection of the above i dont think so. If redtea IS scum I think though the 2 have higher chances of being scum based on that eventIn post 575, Dannflor wrote:what do you find strange about it? I admit I had trouble navigating the phrasing at first but I think it makes pretty clear sense to me nowway, wayless likely than even individually a scumslip happening.
You guys are fucking killing me with the random comments on each other
YOU GUYS ARE KILLING MEIn post 647, Esooa wrote:I wanna ask about all these lolIn post 645, Dannflor wrote:[esooa, ich troje]
[farren, red tea?]
[nsg, t3] - null/mixed
[flow trap]
[enchant]
this is about where I am after a reread
what about myself and ich
In post 654, Farren wrote:Dannflor: are you aware of how Judgment Day works in this setup?
In post 656, Dannflor wrote:I've modded this setup once and played it once beforeIn post 654, Farren wrote:Dannflor: are you aware of how Judgment Day works in this setup?
Diseased as in paranoid and conspiracy theory like.... not like, bad at reading.In post 657, Farren wrote:Excellent. Then how does someone you think has a "diseased town brain" and comes up with a "crackpot paranoia theory" makes a good Heaven candidate, given the existence of Judgment Day?
Like yeah i dont see any reason why scum!Farren would feel pressured to do that really. I'd probably not do that in his shoes considering the likely repercussionsIn post 673, Ich Troje wrote:Farren, it feels really badly like you're setting up to avoid voting for me D2 and planting excuses as well as pushing others to not do so either. Not sure what to think of it.
A little worried Dann is going to continue to use this as an excuse to squeak out of Heavening NSG down the line --- wait a minute this read feels familiarIn post 681, Dannflor wrote:I feel like I've explained myself as well I can
my ideal heaven would be nsg because I respect her reads the most but only if I can be very confident she's town
heavening scum makes this game very very hard
ich troje is currently one of my top town reads and that's really the only criteria i care about beyond them beyond town reading me
in any case, I agree it was a faulty argument though, yes ^^ This is pretty much exactly how i interpreted itIn post 694, Esooa wrote:kinda agree this entire argument is pretty dumb though. "Diseased town brain" is relating to ONE read koba made. Dann isn't saying they're gonna make awful reads. Kobas actually good at lylos imo anyways. But yeah the amount of things farren is just neglecting here is pretty bad
...did these two even interact before this post was made?In post 702, Ich Troje wrote:After a brief reskim I firmly believe Enchant/Farren is TvS
holy shit lolIn post 726, Dannflor wrote:I had a dream RC replaced into this game and yelled at nsg and I for having terrible reads
In post 733, redtea wrote:i would heaven farren in an instant, for the record, if not for the fact i think he might be a critical player for town atm
I'm.. doubting it, thoughIn post 734, redtea wrote:that's my one strong read
You mean yourself. If you cared about Farren, why would you vote him over yourself. Especially considering your limbait past. How is this something you thought about as town at allIn post 797, T3 wrote:I only voted Enchant because I wanted to save farren and me.
I mean, T3 could have limmed Farren if he wantedIn post 799, Ich Troje wrote:You know you werent being limmed hereIn post 789, Farren wrote:Oh yeah, twilight is a thing. I can post until flipped.
Hope you've got a lot of good explaining skills, Enchant, because that was a pretty scummy last minute vote there.
Last words: keep Ich Troje out of heaven.
Do you have a conclusion from this as to NSG's alignment? It seems like you're implying she's at least slightly more likely scum. At least enough paranoia to not be sure enough to Heaven her, despite wanting her there, i would say (・ω<)In post 806, Dannflor wrote:I think the general stereotype/reputation of NSG as a player is that she has an excellent town game, so excellent, in fact, that meta is an strong tool to catch her with when she's scum. she also tends to prefer town and has a much higher posting rate and WIM when town. I think she *might* tend to make more time for games where she rolls town but i wouldn't consider flakiness or lurking to be strictly AI *by itself*
nsg can feel free to correct me on any of that assessment obviously but that's how I assess the general perception of her as a player
You wanted to heaven T3?In post 813, flow trap wrote:For me, I would've said T3 a few days ago, but now I'm unsureIn post 807, Dannflor wrote:ich troje if you had to vote someone who wasn't yourself this phase, do you know who it would be?
Probably Ich tbh
In post 865, Esooa wrote:I wish t3 went over instead though
maybe this is me just saying this cause enchant was a town flip but I don't know why a single person is town reading t3 tbh
Oh this reminds me!!! of the other thing i was pondering today but forgot!!!In post 868, Esooa wrote:I think my first choice for heaven though would be Dan
♡In post 989, Esooa wrote:well my only apprehension about heavening MT is that I want them in the game
That's pretty much all I've got for this day phase
Well the interesting thing about this setup is that for scum to win, they MUST flip their best playersIn post 990, Esooa wrote:it sucks having to basically carry out the same function as night killing your top town lol
there's no night kills so you just have to do it yourself
fucked up
Well i mean there's townreading then there's Heavening which (presumably) meant T3 was your most confident town out of everyoneIn post 992, flow trap wrote:I appearently didn't say T3 was a TR or if I did I can't find itIn post 986, Morning Tweet wrote:You wanted to heaven T3?
I kind of implied it here
Spoiler:
So am i town for effort or is NSG's meta making me scum, you can't do both then pick whichever one is convenient laterIn post 993, T3 wrote:Morning Tweet is town for effort I think. That doesn't totally outweigh the meta case on nsg.
I would say.... yes, for the most part. I think T3's read of me is as boiled down as it can get. I think it's possible to TR the review but not because im posting a lotIn post 994, flow trap wrote:It's easy to post a lot when you start with 39 pages?
OOF
lmao yall are killing me this gameIn post 1008, flow trap wrote:Yes, but I forgot :good:In post 1002, Morning Tweet wrote:could i ask why you like or liked T3 perhaps?
I think they sounded relaxed which is towny
I see, i seeEsooa wrote:don't think we've played
In post 652, Dannflor wrote:I think the crackpot paranoia theory about me/you/redtea is like, far more likely to come from a diseased town brain than a scum brain
I think generally the way they're thinking about the game state, while not necessarily accurate, points towards a town mindset
and i liked their progression on my slot
I have a dinner but I can expand a little later tonight. or honestly just next phase because I think they're my heaven candidate
In post 657, Farren wrote:Excellent. Then how does someone you think has a "diseased town brain" and comes up with a "crackpot paranoia theory" makes a good Heaven candidate, given the existence of Judgment Day?
Okay, so why does Farren need to stop you in specific from getting voted in? Let's go over the context.. Farren has already expressed a townlean on you. Farren isn't saying you're scummy, he is contesting Dann's reasoning to have you go to heaven when he describes you as having diseased town brainIn post 673, Ich Troje wrote:Farren, it feels really badly like you're setting up to avoid voting for me D2 and planting excuses as well as pushing others to not do so either. Not sure what to think of it.
Also while im on the subject, you seem to have misinterpreted Farren as saying "I dont want that in heaven", when he was actually saying "Why would you want that in Heaven, Dann?"In post 662, Ich Troje wrote:Farren, do you think i have a "diseased town brain" then?
Because that's dann's read, not yours, but you took it and said "i dont want that in heaven".
I already engaged with this but you haven't replied yet -- i didnt even notice these two interact, so I'm curious what you meant by this.In post 702, Ich Troje wrote:After a brief reskim I firmly believe Enchant/Farren is TvS
This is a confirm biased read unless you have reason to believe that's the case over him not knowing imoIn post 799, Ich Troje wrote:You know you werent being limmed hereIn post 789, Farren wrote:Oh yeah, twilight is a thing. I can post until flipped.
Hope you've got a lot of good explaining skills, Enchant, because that was a pretty scummy last minute vote there.
Last words: keep Ich Troje out of heaven.
T3 is the one who saved his ass by making a townread on Farren and convincing Farren to switch his vote??? If you wanna talk self-preservation lolIn post 822, Ich Troje wrote:these are the ramblings of scum desperate to explain their actions. You were only concerned with self preservation. Nothing else. If you were town who really thought I was scum, you let yourself flip there and then your town flip would be pretty decisive for that. But no, I do not believe you flip town here. And my town flip here will prove you are full of shit.In post 815, Farren wrote:Not happening if I have anything to say about it. Either of these things.In post 810, Ich Troje wrote:also after me yall 100% need to turbo farren into hell
I do not risk my life like that as scum unless there is a significant reward outweighing the risk. T3 could easily have switched back to me, and I'd be dead instead.
The only way scum|me doesn't have to worry about that is if T3 is scum as well. In which case, that entire song-and-dance is completely unnecessary, and everything was faked.
And there's no way scum|me could fake that ending, unless *Enchant* was scum and in on it. The timing was too tight unless I know it's happening in advance. Given that Enchant didn't say anything until *literally* the last minute, and given that Enchant flipped Town - not possible.
As for you - no. Not how after you ended D1. If you're Town, I strongly recommend taking a step back and looking at things again. Because otherwise, this is not going to end well for either of us.
You're in full anti-spew mode and you know you won't be sheeped here.
Why do you think this? What is the reasoning you're using to conclude Farren did everything through a scum lense? You're not refuting his points you're basically just calling him a liar which is pointlessIn post 890, Ich Troje wrote:lmao please fuck off with that, you KNEW as soon as you voted enchant you were safe unless someone else came in and swapped off enchant, and posted with that assumption.
To be honest it's kind of felt the same way for meIn post 913, redtea wrote:me and esooa mindmelding
'cept for dann heaven
then again i have one (1) person im confident sending to heaven and i don't want to this phase
howdy howdy howdy
that's the most important thing from my posts u thought to reply to???In post 1034, Ich Troje wrote:MT looks to have nice looking reads but then I see small lines put in that make me go "huh thats not right at all"
Like them calling on people not to vote for me more and let timer run out while theyre the leading counterwagon - something subtle that is not directly saying "vote for me" but trying to keep themselves viable.
Yes while I agree with Dann that T3 has a baseline of being scummy I have townread him in the past, and correctly! Idk if that was luck or not but I have seen things in T3 that showed a hidden thought process, whereas in this game there is noneIn post 1035, Esooa wrote:I've played with t3 before and I didn't struggle to find them in any way at all. They were my town core day 1 both games. They can give reads as town, and I haven't seen that this game
I've agreed with Esooa several timesIn post 1028, redtea wrote:while this technically solves it, neither you nor i trust ich's readsSpoiler: Farren #1020
:eek:In post 1012, Morning Tweet wrote:To be honest it's kind of felt the same way for meIn post 913, redtea wrote:me and esooa mindmelding
'cept for dann heaven
then again i have one (1) person im confident sending to heaven and i don't want to this phase
Like those thoughts exactly actually
including that person being farren?
Hmm as I recall your interactions with NSG and T3 ping me as odd. The post that got me the worst was the one about you suspecting ppl will scumread T3 if he's town so the mislim option is always open. That is exactly the kind of read I'd make as scum if I had an ulterior motive cause you could just as easily make an argument for the inverseIn post 1045, Dannflor wrote:cliff notes on why you scum read me?
I think flow's opening was bad too. I just interpreted lines like "I also thought a townie entering the game here would interact more with the people already posting, or even join the already built wagon." or "I felt like he was using the cutesy-memey responses to avoid having to take responsibility for actively avoiding the wagon.", as well as the bit about townies on average in RVS, it just seemed like taking it out of proportionIn post 964, Morning Tweet wrote:Flow's early game does come across as odd to me, im not sure if i could have quantified it like this though.In post 134, Dannflor wrote:I was also immediately pinged by #26. It is averyodd comment to make two pages into the game when there are only two ostensibly RVS votes on northsidegal. This is compounded by the fact that Farren explained his vote clearly only a few votes before.
so, it seems like flow trap is both just posting an observation to post without actually thinking about the game on a deeper level. I also thought a townie entering the game here would interact more with the people already posting, or even join the already built wagon.
flow trap did neither so my observation in #13 was less tongue-in-cheek than might have been first interpreted. I didn't really scum read flow trap off of that, but that was my first reaction of, "huh that's a bit awkward." but then I tried to coax flow trap to join the wagon on NSG and they just refused for seemingly no real reason. I felt like he was using the cutesy-memey responses to avoid having to take responsibility foractivelyavoiding the wagon.
like i tend to think townies, especially in RVS, are on average more likely to swing their vote around and build wagons even for n/a reasons. I don't know flow trap and I'm probably not going to meta them anytime soon but I am still lacking a sense of why their approach to voting nsg was like oil on water
I don't think that overall really says anything about northsidegal's alignment, more just that flow trap seemed to be deliberately avoiding taking a bold stance (like being the third vote on a wagon could be seen as)
Posting observations just to post, mm, I guess maybe. I think your point that "I also thought a townie entering the game here would interact more with the people already posting, or even join the already built wagon." (which u mention a couple times) is a stretch, since early games can vary so wildly.
Hmm, haven't decided what i make of it overall. I think flow came across as weird but i think the additional points that he didnt interact the way "thought a townie would" are overkill
In post 1021, redtea wrote:you're just jealous she can do quantity AND qualityIn post 994, flow trap wrote:It's easy to post a lot when you start with 39 pages?
has literally done more scumhunting than anyone else in the game
MT is either high-effort scum the heights of which make slackers like me quake in their shoes, or town.
so unless anyone has something to actually say in regards to the former, mt is gonna sit right next to farren in my town reads
I am so pocketed right now >W<In post 1029, redtea wrote:this isn't actual commentary i just wanna say this legitimately got me hyped to read your posts lolIn post 979, Morning Tweet wrote: I'm back for round #2. Will my Ich/Farren TRs + Redtea/flow TLs + Dann/Esooa/T3 team be torn to pieces ???
I agree! Faking a thought train is exceptionally hard for me as scum (so much so that sometimes I keep a notes PT to help me remember), so thats why i emphasise it so hard as town. Sorry, scum meIn post 1021, redtea wrote:and MT brings it up herself!In post 1000, Morning Tweet wrote:there's a sizable difference when i rep in as town versus scum but it's not effort-wise. This is my scum rep-in
The difference is whether or not im willing to constantly have takes versus keeping everyone mostly at "slight town" or "null". you can probably guess which one of those i do as scum constantly.
maybe it's the fact i'm informed on your alignment reading that game, but your coverage there seems a lot sloppier than your coverage here. More just throwing shit out and seeing what people make of it rather than having your own internal consistency/thought train, if that makes sense.
HahahahahaIn post 1022, redtea wrote:MT #979
if im reading this right are you saying dann is dancing around t3 based on his post about people dancing around t3
I recall Ich being like "Esooa you're not making sense SMH go in the scumpile timeout and think about what you did"In post 1022, redtea wrote:MT #981
as to dann seeing more into nsg's post than there probably was- being ungenerous as it were- in my opinion, the ich/esooa blowup mirrors it. Ich was finding all kinds of shit in esooa that neither i nor anyone else (iirc) was seeing, or at least not anywhere near to the depth he was.
Is that something you've considered yet? Or do you have any strong thoughts about that interaction?
(add: i might go back and review ich/farren, similarly. Can you see why i don't want to heaven ich? lol)
ye i wouldn't have though, wanna keep playingIn post 1088, redtea wrote:true enoughIn post 1074, Farren wrote:Morning Tweet could have self-voted.In post 1073, redtea wrote:well i wouldve had to convince someone to vote mt with me anyway
Whether or not she would have is a different question, but it was certainly an option for her at the time.
just because it's you- were you going anywhere with this?
So you're completely lost then, except you know you wanna vote FarrenIn post 1075, T3 wrote:No clue.In post 1064, Farren wrote:T3, what's your evaluation of the gamestate right now?
So when asked about redtea, your answer is "Idk they haven't done actual content" (which isn't really true)In post 1083, T3 wrote:PoE and also just not even doing much in the way of like... actual content.
and when asked about flow the first thing that comes to mind is that he's funnyIn post 1085, T3 wrote:There may be some funny = town bias. Honestly I haven't really noticed redtea that much.
Yeah so with Ich it seems like they started with a conclusion "Farren must be scum" and just continously took anything Farren said (or Esooa) as proof.
Wait wait wait, so you made up reasoning to scumread redtea and upon being called out for it you're now admitting itIn post 1123, T3 wrote:So uhIn post 1121, Morning Tweet wrote:So when asked about redtea, your answer is "Idk they haven't done actual content" (which isn't really true)In post 1083, T3 wrote:PoE and also just not even doing much in the way of like... actual content.and when asked about flow the first thing that comes to mind is that he's funnyIn post 1085, T3 wrote:There may be some funny = town bias. Honestly I haven't really noticed redtea that much.
Like T3 is capable of having reads, he can show at least some thought process but this game it justs sounds like you're making stuff up and havent actually been following along and solving
Honestly redtea was in my PoE so I kind of made up reasons. Honestly I'm self conscious about how my readlists look as both alignments. I know this sounds scummy af but *shrug*
I mean... you're self conscious about how ppl read you to the point where you make up reads? Making up reads is what scum doesIn post 1083, T3 wrote:PoE and also just not even doing much in the way of like... actual content.
Okay but did you make up reads in that mini normal?In post 1126, T3 wrote:MT I've played one game with you and I was limmed on day 2 32 hours into the game.
So do you have reads on players or are were those all made up?In post 1046, T3 wrote:???In post 1035, Esooa wrote:I've played with t3 before and I didn't struggle to find them in any way at all. They were my town core day 1 both games. They can give reads as town, and I haven't seen that this game
I have been giving reads this game.
Are you using ignoring redtea's posts as proof you're in your town meta?!?! So in other words, if you were scum, you would read their posts but since you're town you just skimmed and forgot about them?In post 1148, T3 wrote: Not true. Town!me is usually passive and blurts things out meanwhile scum!me actively engages with discussions. Also, town!me often will skim over walls andnot respond to them.
This isn't an "exaggerated reason" though, no? This is just 100% made upIn post 1083, T3 wrote:PoE and also just not even doing much in the way of like... actual content.
how's that different from you eliminating yourself then town!Farren getting shot by Ich? Voting yourself doesnt solve the problem or do anything helpful, showing that you're town trying to solve doesIn post 1157, T3 wrote:VOTE: T3
I messed up big time and if Farren is town then I'm getting shot and we lose.
Do you think there's a reasonable chance Farren is scum?
I think we just accept that Ich is going to be very hit-or-miss lulIn post 1162, redtea wrote:tho ich might just as easily vote MT or esooa :/