Newbie 2077 : The Curse of a Blue Diamond!! - Gameover

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Will catch up soonish.

hoh shit

lickety replaced into a townslot, catboi called me cringe

dunno if i called that out already

Well, thanks for calling me Town.

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The thing is that this game starts at the day, rather than night, meaning that anyones abilities couldn't be used at all, meaning that we have nothing to go off on.

Kinda lacks TMI...

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Arriving fashionably late~

VOTE: Uranus

Call it gut but some slight feeling the protestations of "nothing to go off", although often a common sentiment among newbies, are here making an excuse to avoid getting involved in real conversation as the game gets more serious.

Good feelings on Salsabil and Radical Rat early. Kind of like kennyk also but I'm not sure if that's because of him being like a time traveler from the distant past of mafia. Mild fos on Entellian for showing up on the first page and then dipping.

slight disagree, i think you may be drawing too many conclusions from things that haven't happened yet
i think uranus's town potential goes up from the exact log you're describing: i'm acquaintances with them since i joined the discord server they play in often about a month ago, uranus is one of the more active ones. the setup making trends there is that they're fast paced and PR heavy. largest thing is that the people there nolim nearly every d1. i appreciate uranus putting in the effort to try and wean themselves off of waiting for mechanical information, even if it just seems like they're blindly following site meta

A to Z hasn't picked up his role. It looks like he is site flaked.

Day 1 deadline has been frozen until further notice.

the real siteflaker was in front of me this entire time

This post feels uncharacteristic of their otherwise wild play where they change their votes on people for little reason (but only read up to here and some of the last page).

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Oh, forgot to UNVOTE:

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gaaaaaaah i've wasted such a good opportunity

cow > meow sounds way better
i'm fuming

you know what sounds even better?
moo > floo

tempted by the idea of putting floo at E-2 just for this, but their latest post feels good in my head, i like the post about kenny using LAMIST but i interpreted their posting more to be of a zealous townie so i'm not too content on knocking kenny down by much

Okay... so analysis mixed with non-explanation. I can tell I don't like this slot already.

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cowsloveSushirolls please don't do an E-2 vote just for moo > floo. You need to have another motive to give someone a third vote.

Maybe I am doiing this whole thing wrong, but this game was always a game of communication. And while the first three posts being a vote, a smiley and 'Guess again why I voted you.' are a sort of communication, they do reveal nothing at all. I don't like the argument about the smiley being enough to inform us that it was a random vote at all. I am not trying to find a secret motive behind your first vote but behind your reactions thereafter.

Yes, i know it my behavior looks LAMIST. But almost all playing styles could be interpreted as mafia and as town. Especially on day one with no night before it, there is nothing we could build on. So eccept for major slips there is only gut feeling we can use. So maybe I am wrong with my strong gut feeling against floo (which is getting stronger the more he posts), but that's all I have (I am waiting for someone claiming he/she has more than that at this stage).

Maybe we are just two townies getting at each others throats and mafia laughing their a**s of and waiting for the right time to hop on the train (and maybe one of them is already on it).

I like this post. Feels like they don't have anything to hide.

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@ Salsabil Faria: So you think players who are sus on something are sus. Doesn't that make you sus, too?

I don't like when people misinterpret my words...

VOTE: kennyk

Don't like this post.

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I don't really consider trying new things to be meta manipulation, I meant more like picking out certain tendencies and attitudes to attempt to replicate as scum. Which is what it reads like you were setting yourself up for.

And I don't really see the general statement of new players not having much established history/reputation as a specific claim about you that necessitated refutation, so I didn't consider it relevant enough to include in the quote.

I can somewhat understand where you're coming from here, but it still feels off to me. It just reads too much like scum trying to cover their bases, with a sprinkling of AtE for good measure.

it's a bit of a double-edged sword, yeah? if i'm trying to replicate something from my past games (which i actually have two of now, one finished about 30 minutes ago) then it would be pretty blatant and it would take an ISO or two to completely knock me out of the water. missed opportunity to try and catch me doing something evil,

you can talk about how irrelevant it was to the point kennyk was making but the point stands that the only reason i made that post was because of kennyk, so it was important to leave on

that's fine, i just care if my point was made to you or not

Don't like this post either.

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@all other players: No, I didn't ask for a prodding because I miss my fellow mafia player. And no, this was no confession of being mafia. I would never confess that. Or maybe i would in some crazy setup or as part of a really crazy plan in some situations.

feels like an odd reaction. i didn't feel this way over you explciitly telling me not to put floo at E-2, despite you scumreading them. wouldn't that be more partnery, despite you voting them because you think they're mafia?

basically what i want to ask is: why are you so concerned about your self-image here and not when talking about floo?

That tunnel tho...

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As for kenny, I see why he might be suspicious,

I can't honestly.

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i think kennyk is town

Good post.

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I'm caught up.

Town core is Kenny and StD.

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PoE:

Uranus
CLS
Radical Rat

Null:

floo
Entellian
Salsa

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Firstly: Welcome LicketyQuickety in this crazy bunch. I really like the way you caught up with this thread with those short comments.

I'll have more to say. Those were just preliminary thoughts. I do better engaging in real time.

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VOTE: CLS

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this reminds me: you can go ahead and look at my profile: i have exactly one game that's completely finished from about a month ago, and i think it's a good indicator of what I usually do as town. i died on the first night, though. i guess it was for being too friendly [sarcastic tone]
was kind of a dick in that game to be honest

This is a bad post though. Self meta doesn't work, because if you know your meta, you can manipulate it. Maybe if it's to refute a specific claim, but unprompted like this? Just reads real fishy. Especially the bit about getting killed for being a dick.

Maybe you really were a dick, but in the context of this game it reads like you're trying to set it up as if you play the same it means you're Town again, but if you slip up and act differently, it's just because you're trying to be nicer and/or live longer.

wouldn't call it unprompted: for some reason you chopped off the part where kenny was talking about how us newbies don't know eachother's skill levels. so yes, i'm refuting a specific claim

it's a given that i'm going to manipulate my town meta, yeah. i didn't play perfectly in that one and so you'll see me trying new things and seeing what sticks. i'm not going to play the same, but you shouldn't look at my actions in a vacuum: the game's just a baseline of what i'm capable of doing, my 'skill level'.

so i'll say it right now: i've no reason to replicate my established town meta here. it sucks. i'm going to play differently, please enjoy all of the different dances i can do for you guys

People don't usually lie about their meta as either alignment in my experience. I've heard/seen people use self meta to say they are playing the same way as they do as Town, but it's a rare occurrence that people say they are purposely deviating from their Town meta. I'd say more often this is Rand>W.

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how does a game end in 5 pages lol?

Unless it was hella inactive then they somehow knocked off all the mafia then Its highly unlikely

I almost want to take Uranus out of the PoE and put Salsa in for this.

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VOTE: radical rat

want more pressure here

What does your PoE look like? I kinda want to work with you and Kenny this game.

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how does a game end in 5 pages lol?

Unless it was hella inactive then they somehow knocked off all the mafia then Its highly unlikely

I almost want to take Uranus out of the PoE and put Salsa in for this.

This was in response to something cow said earlier on

I'm aware.

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VOTE: radical rat

want more pressure here

What does your PoE look like? I kinda want to work with you and Kenny this game.

scum
salsa
radical

null
lq
ent
floo

town
kennyk
uranus
cls

RC I have no read on, but I expect to get a read there by interacting with them.

Why Town on CLS? I feel like they are making pushes without actually voting those pushes and it gives me bad vibes. Kinda like keeping their options open so they don't really have to have solid reads.

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VOTE: radical rat

want more pressure here

What does your PoE look like? I kinda want to work with you and Kenny this game.

lets say i have a towncore of me/uranus/floo/kenny/your slot

if we condemn the scraps i'm fairly sure we win

I just told you not to E-2 him because of the reasons you were giving. If you totally agreed with mine or had other good reasons: fine with me. Jump on the wagon. But I don't like to see townies get on bandwagons (not talking about random votes) more or less for no real reason even if it is going with what I believe is good. I could be wrong with my thought process. So getting someone close to a kill with me being wrong and others having no real sus is not what I wanna see in a mafia game.

And with this thought process it really didn't come to my mind that me getting you not to vote on floo for the reasons given would look partnery. On the other hand I was internally debating if I even should ask for the prod or not because it would look like a link between Entellian and me. I even thought about PMing the prod request to our beloved mod to not getting unwanted attention in this matter.

Honestly I wrote the @all-part just to answer a few questions that I saw coming my way anyway after the first part of that post.

i'm pretty satisfied with this explanation, thanks

Okay, I can see it then. I thought you were pushing kenny earlier, but then that read fell by the wayside. Given this, StD isn't as strong of a TR since StD's read on Kenny was as controversial as I thought.

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mostly just gut at this point, i would like more information

i'm wary i might be getting pocketed a little bit though

I mean, you're right to feel that way. I was TRing you because you said Kenny was Town and I thought at the time it was a rather controversial read. Now that I know it wasn't really, that kinda depresses how strong of a TR I had on you.

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i meant by cls

the plot thickens...

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does it

Yes, because I can see a world where you and CLS are Scum here. Hence it would be a post to make me look bad... Not like you could have predicted that I would make that post, but, meh. I feel like there would be reason to SR me based on me admitting I see where you thought I was buddying you when I wasn't, but I digress.

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People don't usually lie about their meta as either alignment in my experience. I've heard/seen people use self meta to say they are playing the same way as they do as Town, but it's a rare occurrence that people say they are purposely deviating from their Town meta. I'd say more often this is Rand>W.

Sorry, what does Rand>W mean here?

It means it more often comes from Scum. Random role is more often Wolf.

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....what

Not sure what you are expecting at this point. I said what I said.

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RC seems to have a buyable explanation.

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Why am I RC

Ugh. Sorry. Didn't pay attention enough. Read your username as Radical Cat, not Radical Rat.

My mistake. You can be RR instead.

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....what

Actually, I feel like this is really Scummy that StD isn't tracking with me here.

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....what

Actually, I feel like this is really Scummy that StD isn't tracking with me here.

another shrug from me, i don't think he ever had the thought that you were trying to marinate him especially since he focused more of the topic of

me

doing it

Could have been ad lib to make me look bad. Will have to see how StD proceeds.

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I almost forgot. As others went higher on my personal scum list and floo didn't post for quite some time (and with that couldn't talk himself into further trouble) I will UNVOTE: floo

Can I get a RL from you?

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RL = read list ?

Yeah.

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....what

Actually, I feel like this is really Scummy that StD isn't tracking with me here.

me - posts unintentional ambiguous post
you - you were talking about me!
me - no i wasn't
you - you meant to post that to make me look bad!!!!
me - what

You should have been tracking with my reasoning and you weren't, so...

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....what

Actually, I feel like this is really Scummy that StD isn't tracking with me here.

me - posts unintentional ambiguous post
you - you were talking about me!
me - no i wasn't
you - you meant to post that to make me look bad!!!!
me - what

You should have been tracking with my reasoning and you weren't, so...

your reasoning makes no sense so...

Actually, I get that a lot, but it's NAI for me. I'm capable of making cases on Town that get them lynched, and I'm capable of making really good reads and not really giving much reasoning on them at all.

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don't use the l word please

I keep forgetting sorry.

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humbly requesting prod on entellian

They haven't posted in 5 days... No wonder I can't remember any of their posts... they only have 2.

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I was ISOing Salsa, and found some posts that pinged me:

Spoiler: Pinged Posts

I think she says kennyk is trying too hard, missing the obvious motive as I pointed out for a scum accusation. It's good that someone is trying to be serious because this is how we move out of RVS, but kennyk is doing this wrong. She may also be accusing kennyk of doing that just to look town. I recall that the term LAMIST is used here for this.

Perfectly explained but I want to add one thing: they said they had an account here before, so they played before here imo. That's why I'm not taking them that much of a newb player and when I read their posts ("

this sus, that sus

"), I found they were trying

too much

which I generally find suspicious.

This looks like either a defense of floo or a buddy attempt.

I think she says kennyk is trying too hard, missing the obvious motive as I pointed out for a scum accusation. It's good that someone is trying to be serious because this is how we move out of RVS, but kennyk is doing this wrong. She may also be accusing kennyk of doing that just to look town. I recall that the term LAMIST is used here for this.

what's the best way to move us outside of RVS, if the way kenny is doing it is "wrong"? is it just because the pushing happened to be on you because he thought your thought process was unclear? what happened in this game seems like just as good of a method as any, which is why i'm asking

I find

LAMIST play

scummy in general basis.
Almost every town games of mine, there was at least one scum

who appeared to be solvy in the early stage of the game

to gain towncred and in my scum games, I also tried to get towncred at RVS stage.

This might be nothing, or it might be made to make CLS look bad while also carrying the same thing of buddy/defence of floo in prior post.

But then I saw a spinet of Kenny's post in 72 in reference to the original post 62.

Why this is interesting is because of what Kenny said here:

@ Uranus: I guess you didn't read the thread properly. After Radical Rats Unvote I am now

'only'

E-2

And given StD and Kenny both come from a different game meta than current MS meta, this indicates to me that the site meta they come from people are generally much more hesitant with their votes and only vote for serious reasons. If this is the case, then Salsa vastly comes from a different meta than these two players because of their constant votes in 39, 40, and 44. What's more is that Salsa actually know this and just keeps voting Kenny for very little reason even though they are already voting for Kenny. And this happened BEFORE Kenny pointed out the 'only' E-2 comment.

Either way, it looks to be the case that Salsa has inside knowledge of Kenny's and StD's game meta that they come from. I'm hesitant to call out SvS interactions so early, but I'm not sure what another conclusion would be given this... the other option, I suppose, is that Salsa is Scum with floo. But this seems unlikely to defend a buddy so directly so early in the game.

Am I going crazy or is there something here?

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i don't come from a different site meta, i've played hundreds of games on this site

I didn't say site meta. I said game meta... I mean your history takes you back to a different time in Mafia.

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I've seen enough. I feel like Salsa is in Anti-Spew mode now.

VOTE: Salsa

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VOTE: kennyk
Keeping this on E-2.

This is really bad.

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Fuck.

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Fuck.

I hope this is not what I think it is. What is your explanations for these posts LQ?

Has nothing to do with this game.

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VOTE: kennyk
Keeping this on E-2.

This is really bad.

Not at all. His vote is quite interesting. Not the fact he voted me. That was to be expected. His mind was made up about me.

What really strikes me as odd is the timing. A few minutes after salsa got the E-2 he revoted me with the (false) E-2 warning. This could be an attempt to get a counterwagon going.

For me this looks very suspicious (yes I sus people again) to vote against this duo. But as I promised I will get a night of sleep first.

Does Scum really fight someone saying a vote on them is bad as Scum? I mean, maybe, but more often Rand>V.

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Does Scum really fight someone saying a vote on them is bad as Scum? I mean, maybe, but more often Rand>V.

sorry, who is this in reference to?

Kenny, for say the vote on them wasn't bad like I was saying it was.

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VOTE: kennyk
Keeping this on E-2.

This is really bad.

Not at all. His vote is quite interesting. Not the fact he voted me. That was to be expected. His mind was made up about me.

What really strikes me as odd is the timing. A few minutes after salsa got the E-2 he revoted me with the (false) E-2 warning. This could be an attempt to get a counterwagon going.

For me this looks very suspicious (yes I sus people again) to vote against this duo. But as I promised I will get a night of sleep first.

Does Scum really fight someone saying a vote on them is bad as Scum? I mean, maybe, but more often Rand>V.

Did you uh... Read the post by any chance?

Kinda. Don't know why Kenny is Susing in the last line though.

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after a bit of thought i don't feel as confident as i did when i first placed my vote on radical. upon an ISO i can't really pinpoint any potential agenda, and i see levels of reasoning that i *think* scum struggles to replicate especially when asked for, so i'll lay off and say they're not the vote today

a very lame thing to say but, i'm feeling one scum in the people that are currently being gone. i've more or less townread everyone that's currently active so that's the only thing i can say without a total reevaluation, which i'm not feeling because there's not really a sense of urgency in the air

UNVOTE: Radical Rat

It's very rarely that easy.

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Fuck.

I hope this is not what I think it is. What is your explanations for these posts LQ?

Has nothing to do with this game.

I feared it had (and it might still be it had) The implications would have been partly game destroying. But because of ongoing games I believe you.

I can talk about it after the game maybe.

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I said, I think you're playing LAMIST card (which I generally find more scummy than townie, mentioned the reason also) by jumping out from the RVS stage by appearing solvy.

Unless you can explain a tone read with this, I generally give Townie points for a player getting us out of RVS. You seem to have the opposite logic than I do.

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I said, I think you're playing LAMIST card (which I generally find more scummy than townie, mentioned the reason also) by jumping out from the RVS stage by appearing solvy.

Unless you can explain a tone read with this, I generally give Townie points for a player getting us out of RVS. You seem to have the opposite logic than I do.

Also, your read kinda goes against Occam's Razor. I don't see how/why LAMIST is more likely than it just being a Townie thing to do at face value. That's why you need something else to go with it if you think getting out of RVS is Scummy, because I think at bottom line, it isn't.

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I sorta feel like Entellian ditched the game. I'd say that more often Rand>T because if he is Scum he's in a pretty good spot here.

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I sorta feel like Entellian ditched the game. I'd say that more often Rand>T because if he is Scum he's in a pretty good spot here.

how so?

Because there is zero pressure on that slot atm. If they get replaced, it's probably just Rand<T.

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I just think Salsa's case on Kenny is a fabricated Scum case on someone they know is Town. :shrug:

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mod didn't mention it but they're looking for replacements for entell right now

How do you know this?

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mod didn't mention it but they're looking for replacements for entell right now

How do you know this?

i get notifications cause im subscribed to the newbie queue

I see. Okay, thought you might have slipped but this lines up.

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VOTE: CLS

i must deflect

VOTE: Radical Rat

reasons already outlined.

Lol! From your 193, I get the vibe that you'll vote

LQ

next

maybe? it looked to me like they were just poking me for random things but i don't find it that scummy

I think their stance with

STD

is quiet scummy. At first, scum!them try to buddy

STD

and

kenny

by using TMI,

kenny

most probably get pocketed but

STD

not, so they turn the table 180 degree after get caught by

STD

but voted me while scumreading

STD

.

I mean, my TRs are usually pretty good, so...

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I think she says kennyk is trying too hard, missing the obvious motive as I pointed out for a scum accusation. It's good that someone is trying to be serious because this is how we move out of RVS, but kennyk is doing this wrong. She may also be accusing kennyk of doing that just to look town. I recall that the term LAMIST is used here for this.

what's the best way to move us outside of RVS, if the way kenny is doing it is "wrong"? is it just because the pushing happened to be on you because he thought your thought process was unclear? what happened in this game seems like just as good of a method as any, which is why i'm asking

I find

LAMIST play

scummy in general basis.
Almost every town games of mine, there was at least one scum

who appeared to be solvy in the early stage of the game

to gain towncred and in my scum games, I also tried to get towncred at RVS stage.

I mean, in my experience, it's usually the

second

or

third

person trying to look solvey that is Scum and not the first person. This isn't a 100% accurate read but it's pretty dang accurate. The type of Scum who go try hard at the beginning are easy to sort later in the game and I personally haven't had the impression that Kenny is Scum in any part of the game. Kenny seems very pure to me. I mean, if Kenny is Scum, kudos to you, but on the face of it, Kenny is just Town.

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I think she says kennyk is trying too hard, missing the obvious motive as I pointed out for a scum accusation. It's good that someone is trying to be serious because this is how we move out of RVS, but kennyk is doing this wrong. She may also be accusing kennyk of doing that just to look town. I recall that the term LAMIST is used here for this.

what's the best way to move us outside of RVS, if the way kenny is doing it is "wrong"? is it just because the pushing happened to be on you because he thought your thought process was unclear? what happened in this game seems like just as good of a method as any, which is why i'm asking

I find

LAMIST play

scummy in general basis.
Almost every town games of mine, there was at least one scum

who appeared to be solvy in the early stage of the game

to gain towncred and in my scum games, I also tried to get towncred at RVS stage.

that's true, it's probably easiest to get credit in RVS since it's all just making good first impressions

i wanted to see if "there was at least one scum who appeared to be solvy in the early stage of the game" applied to my first game here and uh, we talked about sandwiches for around 100 posts
the person who DID try to solve around the end of those 100 posts was town, though. i am thinking that it's easier to look townier when you blend in with the townies instead of trying to lead and ask questions early, so i like kennyk for this also

Hmm... fair enough

The fact CLS changed their tune on Kenny is a really good look for them. Salsa OTOH seems to be in a tunnel on a pretty obvious Town player.

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i do kind of want to live longer though, maybe if i leave this post here the wind will carry it to Entellian and Radical Rat

You didn’t use self-meta in the last game with me though, didn’t talk about it earlier because it was ongoing.

If Salsa flips Scum, CLS is almost certainly Town here. Looking for other Town spew as well currently.

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@mod: Entellian didn't post for quite some time. Even with the one day timer stop a prodding might be due.

@all other players: No, I didn't ask for a prodding because I miss my fellow mafia player. And no, this was no confession of being mafia. I would never confess that. Or maybe i would in some crazy setup or as part of a really crazy plan in some situations.

What is this!!!! Now you're deliberately playing scummy af!

How can Kenny be open wolfing and doing LAMIST at the same time? This is Scum making a really bad push because they want to look like they are confbiasing but is actually just making a bad push on an ObvTown Kenny.

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i'm pretty satisfied with this explanation, thanks

to elaborate on this: i was hoping for an answer that was something along the lines of "your vote doesn't help town", and i got just that, along with a pretty reasonable train of thought behind it

Can you explain more? How do you think

expressing paranoia

over NAI stuff without even getting pressure is coming from town mindset? The more I'm reading them, more I find them scummy but on the same time their wagon isn’t having that much of resistance I'm thinking scum!them would have atp which is giving me 2nd thoughts....

UNVOTE: kenny

Uranus is probably Town on a Salsa Scum flip. Same goes for CLS here.

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Alright, so, here's my problem.

A prod post is, usually, profoundly NAI. If anything, it might just BARELY lean Town, because Mafia benefits from Town lurking, and are thus less likely to bring it up, but it usually isn't that deep.

This particular kind of overthinking though I believe is vastly more likely to come from scum than town. I don't really see a Townie being afraid that trying to prod a lurker would look scummy, and if they did I don't see them making a big show about it, probably, but not necessarily, just PMing it instead.

However, by your own admission, you did it publicly hoping to gain towncred off it, but then got too paranoid about it backfiring that you wound up overexplaining yourself. That's scum logic if ya ask me.

Yes, I agree with you on this but my experience here is holding me back tbh. A wagon which is formatting without strong resistance (specially on Day 1) has much more chance to flip as town rather than scum fmpov + they also are an old player. Even if I think

Entel

is their scum partner, hence no other wagon is formed and no resistance is formatting at the current wagon, as an experienced one, scum!

kenny

could be play the whole thing differently imo.

Entel probably Town on a Salsa Scum flip.

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i think kennyk is town

Can you explain?

it's a lot of a gut read just based on how he posts, he seems like town that scum can easily push for an easy mislim.

Yeah, I agree about the easy push now.

you were one of the ones pushing him tho

StD probably not SvS with Salsa here.

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rr why do you trust salsa

Because her posting has consistently read as genuine scumhunting, and while I was initially iffy about her kenny tunneling, after coming to my own conclusion that kenny is almost certainly scum, her being there first reinforces that townlean into a firmer townread.

is she your scumpartner

Is she yours?

Kinda weird response here considering RR is TRing Salsa. Bad look. Could be an associative.

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@all other players: No, I didn't ask for a prodding because I miss my fellow mafia player. And no, this was no confession of being mafia. I would never confess that. Or maybe i would in some crazy setup or as part of a really crazy plan in some situations.

feels like an odd reaction. i didn't feel this way over you explciitly telling me not to put floo at E-2, despite you scumreading them. wouldn't that be more partnery, despite you voting them because you think they're mafia?

basically what i want to ask is: why are you so concerned about your self-image here and not when talking about floo?

That tunnel tho...

Do you mean

clSr

is tunneling

Radical

here?

No, I meant that CLS was tunneling Kenny. And then they switched their read on Kenny, which is a really good look btw. CLS has constantly reevaluated and that gives me good vibes on that slot.

[LicketyQuickety]

PoE:

Uranus
CLS
Radical Rat

Null:

floo
Entellian
Salsa

How can you put

clSr

and

Radical

both in the POE where you think (I'm assuming it)

clSr

is tunneling

Radical

?

That is shade on me considering that's not what I was saying at all.

[LicketyQuickety]

how does a game end in 5 pages lol?

Unless it was hella inactive then they somehow knocked off all the mafia then Its highly unlikely

I almost want to take Uranus out of the PoE and put Salsa in for this.

VOTE: LQ

Is the motivation enough for you now?
Btw, what is the link between me in your POE and this post?

Empty threat considering I am Town.

[LicketyQuickety]

I was ISOing Salsa, and found some posts that pinged me:

Spoiler: Pinged Posts

I think she says kennyk is trying too hard, missing the obvious motive as I pointed out for a scum accusation. It's good that someone is trying to be serious because this is how we move out of RVS, but kennyk is doing this wrong. She may also be accusing kennyk of doing that just to look town. I recall that the term LAMIST is used here for this.

Perfectly explained but I want to add one thing: they said they had an account here before, so they played before here imo. That's why I'm not taking them that much of a newb player and when I read their posts ("

this sus, that sus

"), I found they were trying

too much

which I generally find suspicious.

This looks like either a defense of floo or a buddy attempt.

I think she says kennyk is trying too hard, missing the obvious motive as I pointed out for a scum accusation. It's good that someone is trying to be serious because this is how we move out of RVS, but kennyk is doing this wrong. She may also be accusing kennyk of doing that just to look town. I recall that the term LAMIST is used here for this.

what's the best way to move us outside of RVS, if the way kenny is doing it is "wrong"? is it just because the pushing happened to be on you because he thought your thought process was unclear? what happened in this game seems like just as good of a method as any, which is why i'm asking

I find

LAMIST play

scummy in general basis.
Almost every town games of mine, there was at least one scum

who appeared to be solvy in the early stage of the game

to gain towncred and in my scum games, I also tried to get towncred at RVS stage.

This might be nothing, or it might be made to make CLS look bad while also carrying the same thing of buddy/defence of floo in prior post.

But then I saw a spinet of Kenny's post in 72 in reference to the original post 62.

Why this is interesting is because of what Kenny said here:

@ Uranus: I guess you didn't read the thread properly. After Radical Rats Unvote I am now

'only'

E-2

And given StD and Kenny both come from a different game meta than current MS meta, this indicates to me that the site meta they come from people are generally much more hesitant with their votes and only vote for serious reasons. If this is the case, then Salsa vastly comes from a different meta than these two players because of their constant votes in 39, 40, and 44. What's more is that Salsa actually know this and just keeps voting Kenny for very little reason even though they are already voting for Kenny. And this happened BEFORE Kenny pointed out the 'only' E-2 comment.

Either way, it looks to be the case that Salsa has inside knowledge of Kenny's and StD's game meta that they come from. I'm hesitant to call out SvS interactions so early, but I'm not sure what another conclusion would be given this... the other option, I suppose, is that Salsa is Scum with floo. But this seems unlikely to defend a buddy so directly so early in the game.

Am I going crazy or is there something here?

Again, nothing makes sense to me except one thing: YOU ARE CRAZY....

But am I crazy Town or crazy Scum?

[LicketyQuickety]

I think Radical is probably for later

and yeah rn salsa isn't really looking good as his responses to the posts are pretty weak and he seem to be slipping up more than Radical.

VOTE: Salsa

Is it E-2 or 2 votes to elimination?

This does not look like a bus vote to me.

[LicketyQuickety]

Yes, I agree with you on this but my experience here is holding me back tbh. A wagon which is formatting without strong resistance (specially on Day 1) has much more chance to flip as town rather than scum fmpov + they also are an old player. Even if I think

Entel

is their scum partner, hence no other wagon is formed and no resistance is formatting at the current wagon, as an experienced one, scum!

kenny

could be play the whole thing differently imo.

I didn't respond to this earlier because I expected you to see the resistance when you finished catching up, but it looks like you still believe it, so... How do you consider this no resistance? From my perspective, it felt like we were getting close to a consensus scumread, then hit a brick wall as blatant scumposting ended up being townread somehow.

Explaining instead of dictating. Looks bad for these two.

[LicketyQuickety]

I think Radical is probably for later

and yeah rn salsa isn't really looking good as his responses to the posts are pretty weak and he seem to be slipping up more than Radical.

VOTE: Salsa

Is it E-2 or 2 votes to elimination?

What, specifically, is Salsa "slipping up" on to you?

Chainsaw of Salsa.

[LicketyQuickety]

does it

Yes, because I can see a world where you and CLS are Scum here. Hence it would be a post to make me look bad... Not like you could have predicted that I would make that post, but, meh. I feel like there would be reason to SR me based on me admitting I see where you thought I was buddying you when I wasn't, but I digress.

in the scenario of CLSR vs STD i'm probably doing all of the pairing with posts like 102 and 204, with STD passively registering them in their mind until asked for reads: 103 ||203, 206
are you sure that we are paired? i'm feeling more of a S v T
it won't mean anything in the grand scheme of things but salsa random voted dragon's slot
i'll order my readslist while i'm at it:

town:
kennyk
uranus
floo
LQ/catboi
--
null
STD
entellian
--
mafia:
salsabil
radical

I didn’t vote

STD

, they voted me, but it wasn’t random.

Your read-list on the other hand is very interesting...

What is interesting about their RL?

[LicketyQuickety]

IDK if we have the numbers for it until replacements come in, but I'm totally fine Limming Salsa at this point.

[LicketyQuickety]

StD probably not SvS with Salsa here.

didn't really feel this way: there may be some partner equity but it might be too on the nose: StD blatantly asking RR if salsa is their scumpartner feels odd, plus they're slightly less hostile to salsa compared to you

I really don't think so since it paints a target on Salsa's back and is a fairly bad look for Salsa. It's the kind of pressure I don't think is SvS.

[LicketyQuickety]

I said, I think you're playing LAMIST card (which I generally find more scummy than townie, mentioned the reason also) by jumping out from the RVS stage by appearing solvy.

Unless you can explain a tone read with this, I generally give Townie points for a player getting us out of RVS. You seem to have the opposite logic than I do.

Why do you think I have to have the same logic as yours? Do I know you?

You don't have to have the same logic as me, but I'm giving my read based on my experience and I've played over 100 games (tho some people have played a lot more games than I have).

[LicketyQuickety]

Kenny is just Town.

Salsa OTOH seems to be in a tunnel on a pretty obvious Town player.

This is Scum making a really bad push because they want to look like they are confbiasing but is actually just making a bad push on an ObvTown Kenny.

How can you know kenny is town here for sure if you are a town?

I don't think Kenny is Town FOR SURE. I just have a very strong impression that he is. I will be able to narrow down the team every day starting D2 regardless of if we Elim Scum D1 or not. If we do Elim Scum D1 then that actually makes it harder for me to solve who the other Scum is based on non-associative, but on the plus side it allows me to play more live and focus more on ISO's and such.

[LicketyQuickety]

@all other players: No, I didn't ask for a prodding because I miss my fellow mafia player. And no, this was no confession of being mafia. I would never confess that. Or maybe i would in some crazy setup or as part of a really crazy plan in some situations.

feels like an odd reaction. i didn't feel this way over you explciitly telling me not to put floo at E-2, despite you scumreading them. wouldn't that be more partnery, despite you voting them because you think they're mafia?

basically what i want to ask is: why are you so concerned about your self-image here and not when talking about floo?

That tunnel tho...

Do you mean

clSr

is tunneling

Radical

here?

No, I meant that CLS was tunneling Kenny. And then they switched their read on Kenny, which is a really good look btw. CLS has constantly reevaluated and that gives me good vibes on that slot.

IIRR,

clSr

was defending

kenny

, not tunneling.

I'll explain it if you really want me too.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm probably getting ahead of myself. Maybe Salsa is just weird.

[LicketyQuickety]

Also, welcome new players.

[LicketyQuickety]

I've seen enough. I feel like Salsa is in Anti-Spew mode now.

VOTE: Salsa

What does anti spew mode mean?

It means they are trying to post in a way where if they get Elimmed that they don't make their buddy(s) look bad.

[LicketyQuickety]

Quick reads list. This isn't a solid read list, but this is generally how I feel about who is town and who is not.

RegRider
-----
Kennyk
Salsa
StD
LQ
Null

I am open to any Elim thats not these people.

Can I ask how much experience you have playing Forum Mafia?

Also, can I get a sentence or two on your TRs?

[LicketyQuickety]

I think Radical is probably for later

and yeah rn salsa isn't really looking good as his responses to the posts are pretty weak and he seem to be slipping up more than Radical.

VOTE: Salsa

Is it E-2 or 2 votes to elimination?

What, specifically, is Salsa "slipping up" on to you?

Chainsaw of Salsa.

Or maybe I just genuinely wanted to know what slips he thinks he found. Still do, in fact.

@Uranus

There we go...

[LicketyQuickety]

RegRider replaces floo
astronomyfortwo replaces Entellian

Please welcome them!! I will unfreeze the deadline once both of them confirm into the game or make posts into the game.

Welcome! And have fun

Hello! Glad to join :¬) do I confirm in-thread or as a PM?

Reply to the pm you got.

[LicketyQuickety]

Just like Salsa was born weird i was born awkward.

That feels weird and awkward.

LMAO.

[LicketyQuickety]

Kenny, what tells you I wasn't posting like I knew you were Town compared to the other person?

[LicketyQuickety]

Kenny, what tells you I wasn't posting like I knew you were Town compared to the other person?

I don't know if you know that I am town. So I can only go with what I can see and that are your posts. And they in my opinion written in a way that make me feel like you don't know if I am town or not. If that is because you really don't know or because you were able to hide the fact that you know I am town is something I don't know.

But beware some weird person might think you just asked me this question to hide our mafia bond. But maybe you knew this could happen and wanted to pull me into the abyss with you if you ever were killed and flipped as scum.

Oh, I love how twisted the thought processes can get in this game.

No, I mean, I had pretty confidently read you as Town. Wasn't a whole lot of hedge there

[LicketyQuickety]

Entel probably Town on a Salsa Scum flip.

wait why

Shade on kenny/Entel.

[LicketyQuickety]

It had to do with Salsa being in anti-spew mode.

[LicketyQuickety]

Wait if Entel is Scum and kennyk requested a prod, could he have done it publicly to gain Town cred? Why couldn't he have just requested it in the mafia PM? It almost seems like inside knowledge. Can someone explain what Salsa has to do with all of this?

It's Null since both Town and Scum have a reason to do it.

[LicketyQuickety]

will i find a good person to vote by deadline?

only time will tell................

You can vote me, I'm pretty famous

I kinda don't think this comes from Scum.

Why would Salsa be asking for votes on them like they know they are already going to be Elimmed? It makes more sense that they have resolved their fate as Town than Scum. Town don't NEED to survive and Scum do. So I am going to:

UNVOTE:

And reevaluate the players in the game.

[LicketyQuickety]

Over the first 7 pages, this is what stuck out to me...

First of all, I want to say I think Kenny's vote on Uranus is legitimate on page 1 or 2. I also found Uranus to give weird reasoning for their vote and it came across as Scummy to me.

Scum on the other hand knows who their enemies are. But they don't know who their worst enemies are. Wrst in this context may mean those townies with special roles or even players with some playing skill. As this is a newbie game, there is not much to know about the playing skills of those playing (except th SEs). So a vote from mafia has to be random, too.

this reminds me: you can go ahead and look at my profile: i have exactly one game that's completely finished from about a month ago, and i think it's a good indicator of what I usually do as town. i died on the first night, though. i guess it was for being too friendly [sarcastic tone]
was kind of a dick in that game to be honest

I think I had a big back and forth with CLS about them playing differently from their previous game and how they are trying to change up their meta, but here they say their last game is a

good indication of what They usually do as town

. So which is it?

i think kennyk is town

This is still a factor for me in why I want to TR StD. Same reason as when I first entered the thread. Upon a reread, it is apparent that Kenny was getting pressure by several players and then StD sticks their neck out saying Kenny is probably Town.

For all this, I think I feel comfortable with either a Uranus or CLS Elim.

[LicketyQuickety]

feeling a light townlean on kenny and uranus

CLS gives an initial TR on Kenny and Uranus.

Arriving fashionably late~

VOTE: Uranus

Call it gut but some slight feeling the protestations of "nothing to go off", although often a common sentiment among newbies, are here making an excuse to avoid getting involved in real conversation as the game gets more serious.

Good feelings on Salsabil and Radical Rat early. Kind of like kennyk also but I'm not sure if that's because of him being like a time traveler from the distant past of mafia. Mild fos on Entellian for showing up on the first page and then dipping.

slight disagree, i think you may be drawing too many conclusions from things that haven't happened yet
i think uranus's town potential goes up from the exact log you're describing: i'm acquaintances with them since i joined the discord server they play in often about a month ago, uranus is one of the more active ones. the setup making trends there is that they're fast paced and PR heavy. largest thing is that the people there nolim nearly every d1. i appreciate uranus putting in the effort to try and wean themselves off of waiting for mechanical information, even if it just seems like they're blindly following site meta

A to Z hasn't picked up his role. It looks like he is site flaked.

Day 1 deadline has been frozen until further notice.

the real siteflaker was in front of me this entire time

And then they give 2 reasons for TRing Uranus. Both of them are TRing Uranus for the opposite of what Uranus is doing in this game (not being active) and how they are different here than on discord regarding the game meta of not Eliming D1. I think the TR on Uranus is completely unjustified given Uranus never says they are trying to distance themselves from no-voting D1 anywhere in Uranus ISO IIRC. In fact, Uranus actually DOES try and do a random vote in their second post, but only after they had gotten heat for not doing RVS. Then there was subsequent discussion on Kenny getting us out of RVS too quickly which CLS initially TRs Kenny, and then SRs them based on this post:

@all other players: No, I didn't ask for a prodding because I miss my fellow mafia player. And no, this was no confession of being mafia. I would never confess that. Or maybe i would in some crazy setup or as part of a really crazy plan in some situations.

feels like an odd reaction. i didn't feel this way over you explciitly telling me not to put floo at E-2, despite you scumreading them. wouldn't that be more partnery, despite you voting them because you think they're mafia?

basically what i want to ask is: why are you so concerned about your self-image here and not when talking about floo?

The VC at the time was this:

Vote Count 1-4

Save The Dragons

:

floo

: Radical Rat, kennyk

Entellian

:

kennyk

: floo, Salsabil Faria

Uranus

: catboi,

cowsloveSushirolls

:Entellian

Salsabil Faria

: Save The Dragons,

Radical Rat

:

catboi

: cowsloveSushirolls

Not Voting

(9): Uranus

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: August 25th, 2021

Countdown: (expired on 2021-08-23 20:00:00)

Mod Notes:

Salsabil Faria is on V/LA till 19th August 2021
-

It's the one time CLS puts suspicion on Kenny IIRC. And then this happens:

VOTE: kennyk

RIP my townread on you.
I'm glad cows pushed you on the @all thing, I ignored it thinking it was just a poorly executed joke. But if it was meant as a response to expected suspicion... That feels more like scum paranoia than town paranoia.

I believe this is E-2.

We can't really prove if you pm'd about the prod to the mod, more now that he hasn't gotten one. As for my thoughts on Entellian, I think he is probably just inactive, what would be worrying is that if he is ignoring this game altogether and posting elsewhere.

Final thoughts: I think you might be trying to confuse town with setting up multiple options, keep in mind route b doesn't even have masons so 2 of these setups would be invalid. I also think you are in a situation to pre 2077 catboi with the walls of text attemptiing to protect yourself but that last one might be too far. My townread has definetley gone down on you kenny and is a more viable lynch than catboi imo

unvote: catboi

vote:kennyk

It would make sense if Uranus and CLS were SvS given CLS TRs Uranus for a bad reason and then Uranus votes Kenny to get them Elimmed (by voting opportunistically) why the other Scum member pushes Kenny until it looks like Kenny is getting Elimmed and then backs off.

Besides making this about the team being exactly Uranus/CLS, I will just vote for Uranus.

VOTE: Uranus

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: astronomyfortwo

going after LHF. Not a fan.

[LicketyQuickety]

LHF

i've seen this abbreviation so many times and i don't know what it means yet

Low hanging fruit. It's a way to say a player that is an easy target.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: astronomyfortwo

going after LHF. Not a fan.

What makes them LHF? What makes Uranus not LHF?

I think Uranus has enough experience in Mafia to not be LHF.

[LicketyQuickety]

I think I had a big back and forth with CLS about them playing differently from their previous game and how they are trying to change up their meta, but here they say their last game is a good indication of what They usually do as town. So which is it?

why not both? did you even skim through my games? it's fine if you didn't
ito be honest, i didn't think of the second point too much, but the way you portray them both as if they contradict eachother doesn't make sense, because one skim through my games shows that both statements are fine

the post where you got the 2nd point from was an issue with wording: what i wanted to show with my post was that kenny should be able to gauge my skill level despite me being a newbie like him

Just answer why/how this is your Town game and not your Scum game, thanks.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: astronomyfortwo

going after LHF. Not a fan.

What makes them LHF? What makes Uranus not LHF?

I think Uranus has enough experience in Mafia to not be LHF.

so newbies can't be scum?

You're moving the goalpost. Are we talking about LHF or are we talking about Scum?

[LicketyQuickety]

BTW, I found nothing wrong with their reasoning. You acted like you didn't even bother to acknowledge their reasoning at all.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: astronomyfortwo

going after LHF. Not a fan.

What makes them LHF? What makes Uranus not LHF?

I think Uranus has enough experience in Mafia to not be LHF.

so newbies can't be scum?

You're moving the goalpost. Are we talking about LHF or are we talking about Scum?

what are you talking about

why do you think i'm voting astronomyfortwo

I really don't know. I thought their response was fine.

[LicketyQuickety]

i did acknowledge it with a vote

i think they're scum

What didn't you like about their response to you?

[LicketyQuickety]

i hate the tone it sounds fake

I disagree. To me it feels like they are just being honest. I can see the angle where they are just giving BS reasons, but more often I feel like Scum would want to make up a reason that sounds believable.

:Shrug:

[LicketyQuickety]

so you don't think it sounds believable?

I think it does sound believable because it feels honest to me. It feels like their back is against the wall and they are just not giving any shits about it and giving what they have.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: Uranus

that's e-1

Why?

[LicketyQuickety]

And then they give 2 reasons for TRing Uranus. Both of them are TRing Uranus for the opposite of what Uranus is doing in this game (not being active) and how they are different here than on discord regarding the game meta of not Eliming D1. I think the TR on Uranus is completely unjustified given Uranus never says they are trying to distance themselves from no-voting D1 anywhere in Uranus ISO IIRC. In fact, Uranus actually DOES try and do a random vote in their second post, but only after they had gotten heat for not doing RVS.

missing a few key details there, LQ

-uranus got heat for not doing RVS

on their first post.

they still expressed an intent to do it, but only once they get the drive to. this leads into the 2nd detail
-uranus doesn't have to say that they're distancing themselves from no-voting, they showed it by.......................... voting someone
my townread is beautiful and intact. it hasn't really changed from 165

if you need written word then i'm surprised you didn't ask

uranus, have you been trying to distance yourself from no-voting D1 this game?

what do you mean by no voting d1? I was clearly voting salsa

This whole discussion was about you RVS vote, not your real vote.

[LicketyQuickety]

And then they give 2 reasons for TRing Uranus. Both of them are TRing Uranus for the opposite of what Uranus is doing in this game (not being active) and how they are different here than on discord regarding the game meta of not Eliming D1. I think the TR on Uranus is completely unjustified given Uranus never says they are trying to distance themselves from no-voting D1 anywhere in Uranus ISO IIRC. In fact, Uranus actually DOES try and do a random vote in their second post, but only after they had gotten heat for not doing RVS.

missing a few key details there, LQ

-uranus got heat for not doing RVS

on their first post.

they still expressed an intent to do it, but only once they get the drive to. this leads into the 2nd detail
-uranus doesn't have to say that they're distancing themselves from no-voting, they showed it by.......................... voting someone
my townread is beautiful and intact. it hasn't really changed from 165

if you need written word then i'm surprised you didn't ask

uranus, have you been trying to distance yourself from no-voting D1 this game?

what do you mean by no voting d1? I was clearly voting salsa

Can I ask you to explain this a bit more? I'd prefer NOT to lead an Elim on Town if I can help it, but I really need you to explain what you think about CLS stance on you atp.

[LicketyQuickety]

i hate the tone it sounds fake

thats because im new here and am trying to figure out how to talk like the rest of you, but don't know what quite to do. i want to call it codeswitching but apparently that's something else... tone mimicry? something. whatever it is, i guess i'm not doing it well enough lol

What is codeswitching?

[LicketyQuickety]

One other thing that strikes me as odd is how fast this train got to E-1.

I think the reason for this is this (In case it matters):

I agree with #545. This should be E-2.

VOTE: Uranus

[LicketyQuickety]

I'll be honest. CLS is very difficult for me to get a beat on. In some parts they are very logical and playing the game well. In other parts they are just plain strange. I get that they said they read the forum for about 6 months before signing up for a game (IIRC) but some of their takes are weird/bad. Like why are they saying Uranus is going to claim PR? Was that them saying they were sure Uranus was Scum or something? Just a whole bunch of question marks there.

[LicketyQuickety]

I honestly like what RR is doing atm. They seem like they are assessing the game well and answering questions. I also don't think RR is Scummy for thinking StD is Scummy for initially starting the wagon and then switching to SRing StD for putting Uranus at E-1. I think the thought here is that RR knows StD is a competent player.

[LicketyQuickety]

i'm like 200% sure uranus is a power role so im keeping this vote here

i am concentrated evil

Oh, we have a scum confession. But wait. How can you be so sure about the power role. Damn those fake confessions.

VIBES

but it's a convoluted way of saying "i do not want uranus condemned today but pressure on a lurker is very much welcomed"

Why did you vote Uranus then?

[LicketyQuickety]

Some of Kenny's later posts are worrying to me.

Will try and ISO them during NP.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: Salsa

[LicketyQuickety]

Why did you vote Uranus then?

"but pressure on a lurker is very much welcomed"

i had faith that it wouldn't get hammered

I just don't get why you vote them when the game was idling and we had like 2-3 days left. Like, we DO need an elim at this point and it's weird for me thinking you were just voting based on lurking.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: Salsa

I think that's E-1.

[LicketyQuickety]

Verizon is such a shit company.

UNVOTE: Uranus

Hold on, why is StD having doubts? I'll unvote but StD needs to explain their votes.

Kinda not liking this at all.

[LicketyQuickety]

I just don't get why you vote them when the game was idling and we had like 2-3 days left. Like, we DO need an elim at this point and it's weird for me thinking you were just voting based on lurking.

is lurking the right word? uranus posts on here an okay amount, but their individual content is very sporadic. i'm not sure what embodies that definition

why wouldn't i vote them when the game is idling? the game is not idling explicitly because i helped put them at E-1
again, i did not want to condemn them. i'm working towards an actual condemn vote and i already have a voting pool set up. i just gotta figure out which person is best

Don't you think asking Uranus a question suits your needs there better than a vote if you're not SRing them?

[LicketyQuickety]

Some of Kenny's later posts are worrying to me.

salsa red heavily implies kenny blue so i'm unsure on how scum you think salsa is

Honestly, I'm kinda half sheeping StD here and half voting because we need an Elim.

[LicketyQuickety]

"Fools we are"



Not liking all of Kenny's posts the last 36 hours or so.

[LicketyQuickety]

Not too late to vote him~

I'm hesitant for some reason. I feel like if Kenny is Town it would be pretty bad to Elim them.

[LicketyQuickety]

And I don't really buy the early reasons for SRing Kenny, just so that's out in the open. I just don't like the pushes Kenny has made in the last 24 hours or so.

[LicketyQuickety]

Not too late to vote him~

I'm hesitant for some reason. I feel like if Kenny is Town it would be pretty bad to Elim them.

I do not disagree with yours second sentence. But why would it be pretty bad?

Because you strike me as a player who would be really good at late game solves.

[LicketyQuickety]

Not too late to vote him~

I'm hesitant for some reason. I feel like if Kenny is Town it would be pretty bad to Elim them.

I do not disagree with yours second sentence. But why would it be pretty bad?

Because you strike me as a player who would be really good at late game solves.

And here I am marked as a goal for nightkill.

I'd make a concerted push on you if I was Scum here and didn't want you in endgame, yeah?

How serious is your push on CLS? Like on a scale of 1-10 how sure are you that CLS is Scum?

[LicketyQuickety]

8 ball, is Salsa Scum?

"All signs point to yes."

[LicketyQuickety]

@CLS, why is regrider Town?

[LicketyQuickety]

floo is entirely carrying that slot after what happened with uranus and them

Your reasons for TRing floo are weak.

[LicketyQuickety]

floo is entirely carrying that slot after what happened with uranus and them

Your reasons for TRing floo are weak.

i've no reason to touch reg right now if they've provided so little information that they're an objectively bad lim

Their vote for Uranus was opportunistic af.

[LicketyQuickety]

Their vote for Uranus was opportunistic af.

i'm aware of this
dude's probably still confused since you haven't admitted that your case is worthless yet

Because it isn't.

[LicketyQuickety]

Because it isn't.

the obvious question for me to ask here is "why are you asking me to scumread people who just followed your not-worthless logic?"

Because it's opportunistic, which you admit... Seriously here? What are you smoking exactly?

[LicketyQuickety]

Because it's opportunistic, which you admit... Seriously here? What are you smoking exactly?

i'm smoking that mason herb
spiritual town connections


if opportunistic vote on uranus implies

reg scum

,

uranus town

but opportunistic vote is because of them sheeping your logic which explains

CLSR + uranus scum

, a case that you continue to affirm isn't bad
then at least one of the two have to be wrong if you want to keep up consistent thinking

but obv you don't believe any of this when you're sheeping StD on salsa

what are your reads even, dude?

What? Am I suppose to have binary reads or something smh my head.

[LicketyQuickety]

What? Am I suppose to have binary reads or something smh my head.

i'm going to confbias my way into this condemn but this sarcasm + this air of "i'm not taking you seriously" from your past few other posts does not make me feel that good about you, to the point where i gotta exert bad confident townie vibes to the evil scum

I mean, do you really think I should be taking you seriously?

[LicketyQuickety]

I mean, do you really think I should be taking you seriously?

i'm the only person attempting to take you seriously, which shows because i'm the only person with a clear stance on you
having the same back would be awesome :^)

Sure. I think you're on drugs.

[LicketyQuickety]

If I'm Scum, why don't I want to hammer Salsa here?

[LicketyQuickety]

Sure. I think you're on drugs.

well that feels uncalled for

I mean, it could just be cocaine?

[LicketyQuickety]

right now, my readslist goes
town:
radical
uranus
entellian/astronomy
floo/regrider
salsabil
--
null:
LQ/catboi
kennyk
--
null-scum:
StD

Horrible Reads List?

But to be real here, if this is an actual RL, then I'm going here:

VOTE: CLS

[LicketyQuickety]

@ Uranus: Why are you not voting yet?

I was too tired at the time to do any rng, but I'll do it now

catboi

due to rng

I mean... Is this TSTBS, or just Scum?

[LicketyQuickety]

right now, my readslist goes
town:
radical
uranus
entellian/astronomy
floo/regrider
salsabil
--
null:
LQ/catboi
kennyk
--
null-scum:
StD

Horrible Reads List?

But to be real here, if this is an actual RL, then I'm going here:

VOTE: CLS

For 1. Too many TRs.
2. No TLs.
3. Only 2 Null Reads.
4. ???
5. Profit?

[LicketyQuickety]

J/K about the drugs thing.

Okay, someone post so this isn't super awkward.

[LicketyQuickety]

Well early posting

Mafia 11 was my first win and I was alive, tho I'd admittedly been kinda carried by a color swapper who messed with the game a lot, It was quite fun to mess everyone around. btw it was a faction game and we killed our killing role early lol, oh yeah that game was a faction game, with every faction having 3 members. I was part of the Lions with Taycamgame and LGL.

Mafia 14 was my first go as a tp. I did fairly well and nearly won but died due to PROCESS OF ELIMINATION.

Mafia 18 was my second romp as a tp and wow my tp friends were knocked off rather quickly so it was me vs town and wow did I come close. SO close.

I'm just gunna leave this right here:

viewtopic.php?p=7332880#p7332880

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: kennyk

RIP my townread on you.
I'm glad cows pushed you on the @all thing, I ignored it thinking it was just a poorly executed joke. But if it was meant as a response to expected suspicion... That feels more like scum paranoia than town paranoia.

I believe this is E-2.

I just told you not to E-2 him because of the reasons you were giving. If you totally agreed with mine or had other good reasons: fine with me. Jump on the wagon. But I don't like to see townies get on bandwagons (not talking about random votes) more or less for no real reason even if it is going with what I believe is good. I could be wrong with my thought process. So getting someone close to a kill with me being wrong and others having no real sus is not what I wanna see in a mafia game.

And with this thought process it really didn't come to my mind that me getting you not to vote on floo for the reasons given would look partnery. On the other hand I was internally debating if I even should ask for the prod or not because it would look like a link between Entellian and me. I even thought about PMing the prod request to our beloved mod to not getting unwanted attention in this matter.

Honestly I wrote the @all-part just to answer a few questions that I saw coming my way anyway after the first part of that post.

i'm pretty satisfied with this explanation, thanks

We can't really prove if you pm'd about the prod to the mod, more now that he hasn't gotten one. As for my thoughts on Entellian, I think he is probably just inactive, what would be worrying is that if he is ignoring this game altogether and posting elsewhere.

Final thoughts: I think you might be trying to confuse town with setting up multiple options, keep in mind route b doesn't even have masons so 2 of these setups would be invalid. I also think you are in a situation to pre 2077 catboi with the walls of text attemptiing to protect yourself but that last one might be too far. My townread has definetley gone down on you kenny and is a more viable lynch than catboi imo

unvote: catboi

vote:kennyk

Still don't like this series of events.

I would have not thought much of it, but RR's vote comes about 40 minutes before CLS says they like Kenny's response, so it is very likely that CLS saw RR's post. It's a good way to keep Scum from getting too much pressure on them if CLS and Uranus are SvS here. I'm not sold on this being the exact team, but I do think they have a lot of Scum equity together seen in 545 and 666.

[LicketyQuickety]

Not impressed with Norweigh's catch up.

[LicketyQuickety]

Hi, Norweigh, BTW!

[LicketyQuickety]

Ok so i reached LQ replacement and i’m feeling pretty good about that slot.

Alfalfa.

[LicketyQuickety]

Ok so i reached LQ replacement and i’m feeling pretty good about that slot.

Alfalfa.

What is Alfalfa? An herb according to google but…

Kung Pow reference.

[LicketyQuickety]

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/499b8cb8-e ... 9162622acd

[LicketyQuickety]

but I maintain my position that we really need to buckle down and get limming.

I thought you were only interested in 2 Elims? So how are you saying we need A Elim if you are only concerned with 2?

[LicketyQuickety]

but I maintain my position that we really need to buckle down and get limming.

I thought you were only interested in 2 Elims? So how are you saying we need A Elim if you are only concerned with 2?

Easy. We need to eliminate one of those two. I don't see the confusion about this.

So you want to Elim Uranus just because they claimed?

I would reiterate that it needs to ideally be kenny or Uranus, because more claims are bad for Town, and honestly if someone does hit a PR claim, I don't think we have enough time to work through it before deadline.

Kenny is still my very strongly preferred elimination, but I will move my vote to Uranus if necessary in a few more hours.

Light Townreads:
Uranus

[LicketyQuickety]

Kenny already claimed though

What did he claim?

[LicketyQuickety]

VT

Quote the post?

[LicketyQuickety]

Okay, then I say we Elim Uranus.

VOTE: Uranus

[LicketyQuickety]

if it's down to those two then i'd lim uranus but i'm not convinced yet we have to limit ourselves to those two

What do you think of Norweigh saying the got UP TO my slot replacing in and TR my slot combined with them saying they can usually read me well?

[LicketyQuickety]

if it's down to those two then i'd lim uranus but i'm not convinced yet we have to limit ourselves to those two

Why should we push more wagons and let more claims get out there to narrow the potential PR pool for scum?

Why should we Elim Town?

[LicketyQuickety]

Also, Scum are WAY more likely to claim PR than VT.

[LicketyQuickety]

sample size?

It's -EV for them to claim VT if someone says intent to hammer them.

[LicketyQuickety]

^ this

[LicketyQuickety]

i wouldn't say the people involved were really in danger

LOL

[LicketyQuickety]

like salsa/norwee?

I mean, yeah. The reasons Salsa had for pushing kenny were really really bad. And I totally get Kenny as Town here since he comes from a different game meta and it lines up with what I know of GL.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: Salsa

[LicketyQuickety]

I mean, Uranus, don't let me get in the way of you answering...

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: Norweigh

Since Salsa is no longer in the game.

[LicketyQuickety]

Spoiler: both E-1 wagons

Vote Count 1-5

Save The Dragons

:

floo

: , kennyk

Entellian

:

kennyk

: floo, Salsabil Faria,, Uranus

Uranus

: LicketyQuickety,

cowsloveSushirolls

:Entellian

Salsabil Faria

: Save The Dragons,

Radical Rat

:

LicketyQuickety

: cowsloveSushirolls, Radical Rat

Not Voting

(9):

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: August 25th, 2021

Countdown: (expired on 2021-08-23 20:00:00)

Mod Notes:

LicketyQuickety replaces Catboi
Salsabil Faria is on V/LA till 19th August 2021
-

height of wagon: floo, salsa, radical, uranus (chronological order)

Vote Count 1-8

Save The Dragons

:

RegRider

: ,

astronomyfortwo

:

kennyk

: , Radical Rat

Uranus

: LicketyQuickety, cowsloveSushirolls, RegRider, Save The Dragons [E-1]

cowsloveSushirolls

:,

Salsabil Faria

: ,, Uranus, astronomyfortwo

Radical Rat

:

LicketyQuickety

: Salsabil Faria

Not Voting

(9): , kennyk

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: August 27th, 2021

Countdown: (expired on 2021-08-27 20:00:00)

Mod Notes:

-

without all of the extra context:

kenny's E-1 included floo, salsabil, radical and uranus
uranus's E-1 included LQ, me, regrider/floo, StD

so that's 7 unique people, definitely worth keeping in mind

This post is largely IIoA. What do you mean people worth keeping in mind?

[LicketyQuickety]

see if i get motivated enough to ISO salsa

Please do. Especially the early parts. Their three votes on Kenny is weird, ofc. And their push there is bad.

[LicketyQuickety]

for "What do you mean people worth keeping in mind?" i mean the implications that two E-1 wagons with completely unique people (except for floo) would bring, if that makes sense. i don't think anyone actually sticks out except for floo

i think they're similar enough in nature to start making guesses at certain

groups

that may or may not be there. that's more of what i'm thinking of

Okay, that means very very little.

[LicketyQuickety]

@CLS, you do realize that Norweigh has been put at E-1 right?

[LicketyQuickety]

Okay, that means very very little.

do you not believe in VCA?

Actually only of the E-1 wagons had poor reasoning.

are you sure about that?

@CLS, you do realize that Norweigh has been put at E-1 right?

lolwut? currently?

Derp clear: denied.

[LicketyQuickety]

Derp clear: denied.

cows: here is a list of all E-1 wagons
LQ: u missed one
cows: i wasn't aware of this wagon
LQ: you're not town from this....................

Cope

LOL. Actually kinda funny.

[LicketyQuickety]

Spoiler: first 2 E-1 wagons

Vote Count 1-5

Save The Dragons

:

floo

: , kennyk

Entellian

:

kennyk

: floo, Salsabil Faria,, Uranus

Uranus

: LicketyQuickety,

cowsloveSushirolls

:Entellian

Salsabil Faria

: Save The Dragons,

Radical Rat

:

LicketyQuickety

: cowsloveSushirolls, Radical Rat

Not Voting

(9):

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Still need a conclusion there guy.

Deadline: August 25th, 2021

Countdown: (expired on 2021-08-23 20:00:00)

Mod Notes:

LicketyQuickety replaces Catboi
Salsabil Faria is on V/LA till 19th August 2021
-

height of wagon: floo, salsa, radical, uranus (chronological order)

Vote Count 1-8

Save The Dragons

:

RegRider

: ,

astronomyfortwo

:

kennyk

: , Radical Rat

Uranus

: LicketyQuickety, cowsloveSushirolls, RegRider, Save The Dragons [E-1]

cowsloveSushirolls

:,

Salsabil Faria

: ,, Uranus, astronomyfortwo

Radical Rat

:

LicketyQuickety

: Salsabil Faria

Not Voting

(9): , kennyk

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: August 27th, 2021

Countdown: (expired on 2021-08-27 20:00:00)

Mod Notes:

-

without all of the extra context:

kenny's E-1 included floo, salsabil, radical and uranus
uranus's E-1 included LQ, me, regrider/floo, StD
salsa's E-1 included uranus, astronomyfortwo, STD, LQ (

not included in spoilers:

)

EBWOP

[LicketyQuickety]

Spoiler: first 2 E-1 wagons

Vote Count 1-5

Save The Dragons

:

floo

: , kennyk

Entellian

:

kennyk

: floo, Salsabil Faria,, Uranus

Uranus

: LicketyQuickety,

cowsloveSushirolls

:Entellian

Salsabil Faria

: Save The Dragons,

Radical Rat

:

LicketyQuickety

: cowsloveSushirolls, Radical Rat

Not Voting

(9):

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Still need a conclusion there guy.

Deadline: August 25th, 2021

Countdown: (expired on 2021-08-23 20:00:00)

Mod Notes:

LicketyQuickety replaces Catboi
Salsabil Faria is on V/LA till 19th August 2021
-

height of wagon: floo, salsa, radical, uranus (chronological order)

Vote Count 1-8

Save The Dragons

:

RegRider

: ,

astronomyfortwo

:

kennyk

: , Radical Rat

Uranus

: LicketyQuickety, cowsloveSushirolls, RegRider, Save The Dragons [E-1]

cowsloveSushirolls

:,

Salsabil Faria

: ,, Uranus, astronomyfortwo

Radical Rat

:

LicketyQuickety

: Salsabil Faria

Not Voting

(9): , kennyk

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: August 27th, 2021

Countdown: (expired on 2021-08-27 20:00:00)

Mod Notes:

-

without all of the extra context:

kenny's E-1 included floo, salsabil, radical and uranus
uranus's E-1 included LQ, me, regrider/floo, StD
salsa's E-1 included uranus, astronomyfortwo, STD, LQ (

not included in spoilers:

)

EBWOP

Still need a conclusion there guy.

[LicketyQuickety]

are you feeling it?

It's not bad. Needs more cowbell though.

[LicketyQuickety]

I don't think erratic voting should count as Town points. I see your point with the lack of concern over image, but I don't think that really applies here.

Erratic/aggressive voting is common enough as Town, that scum doesn't really have to be concerned about looking more careful. The actual substance and context of the votes matters more.

The reason vote matter is because Scum have TMI and vote strategically.

[LicketyQuickety]

@LQ Why did you unvote Uranus?

It's because of this:

One other thing that strikes me as odd is how fast this train got to E-1.

I think the reason for this is this (In case it matters):

I agree with #545. This should be E-2.

VOTE: Uranus

You voted Uranus very opportunistically. In my experience, Scum are more likely to Sheep me than Town and not by a little.

[LicketyQuickety]

Quick why the betrayal

I mean, is that you admitting to buddying me?

[LicketyQuickety]

You voted Uranus very opportunistically. In my experience, Scum are more likely to Sheep me than Town and not by a little.

the entire uranus thing was an opportunistic wagon on an opportunistic person
it takes 5 to elim and there's only two scum, but 3 other opportunistic voters on that wagon that are on one opportunistic person makes four, so obv you're doing something wrong with your solving when you use opportunism as a blanket scumtell

No, I said sheeping me more often comes from Scum. Plus (I'd have to look at the votes at the time) but that was an E-2 vote, which is a pretty pivotal vote IME.

[LicketyQuickety]

does it

Yes, because I can see a world where you and CLS are Scum here. Hence it would be a post to make me look bad... Not like you could have predicted that I would make that post, but, meh. I feel like there would be reason to SR me based on me admitting I see where you thought I was buddying you when I wasn't, but I digress.

Why would scum post this lol.

You really don't need to Town case me because no one is seriously SRing me because I am Town.

[LicketyQuickety]

StD should be higher for you.

[LicketyQuickety]

StD should be higher for you.

No.

You don't think my reason for TRing StD is good? What's wrong with my reason for TRing them? I'm honestly asking here. I'm trying to give you a fair shake, but by your own methods, StD should be a TL.

[LicketyQuickety]

I don’t think they’ve towntold to that level.
I’ll ISO your reasoning because i honestly paid a lot more attention to my own research.

I'll save you the time of finding it:

I'm caught up.

Town core is Kenny and StD.

Upon a reread, it is apparent that Kenny was getting pressure by several players and then StD sticks their neck out saying Kenny is probably Town.

[LicketyQuickety]

Did StD save Kenny as he was E-1 after he had claimed? Yes.
What did he claim? Vanilla Town.

Is that an bad slot to white knight? To gain more chances at outing claims?

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about way back in the early game before I replaced in is when StD defended Kenny. You can see some of my reasoning for this in my 245. Basically, I feel like StD is TRing Kenny because they both STARTED with the same game meta - so they are on the same level, if that makes sense. And I know a little bit about GL meta so I am factoring that in as well.

[LicketyQuickety]

i'm not convinced he's scum

So why did you vote him, if you are not convinced he's scum? And to make matters worse: why did you E-1 him?

If I didn't know better I would think you were still stuck in the RVS throwing around votes randomly. I can relate to you wanting to flip someone on Day 1. But your voting looks very fishy. So fishy I absolutely don't see you on the good side right now.

If Kenny doesn’t trust StD why should i also trust StD just because they threw an easy townread at them in the early game?

Are you saying you believe Kenny over me here? I have feelings too ya know!

[LicketyQuickety]

Was there anything else, Quick?

IDK. Your solve isn't that bad. Sometimes I think Astronomy is very Scummy and sometimes I think they are Townie. I go back and forth on that read.

I'm pretty sure StD and Kenny are Town. RR is next in that list. Everyone else has decent Scum equity IMO.

[LicketyQuickety]

I said i think you’re town, not that i believe you’re the best solver in the universe and that i’ll believe everything you say.

Ofc not. I low key suck at this game but keep it on the DL.

Anyways, your responses are a bit OTT, but maybe that's just because you don't want to replace in just to get Elimmed.

[LicketyQuickety]

another reason I am TRing StD is because they are playing the exact same way as they did in LN 235.

[LicketyQuickety]

Trying to think about whether Uranus, who comes from largely role madness is more likely to claim VT as Scum here...

[LicketyQuickety]

I'll vote for Uranus, but I don't think we can make a Astronomy Elim go through at this point. I think we have about 24 hours or less. That would mean everyone would have to check in and you would have to convince more than half the players that Astronomy is Scum.

I don't get you going after Astronomy when we need an Elim at this point. IDK why you are not compromising here. Feels like your are going after "second most likely Elim" here and trying to push it through and if it doesn't no skin off your neck. Just vote Uranus Norweigh.

[LicketyQuickety]

Didn't you vote him in 777?

Yes, why do you ask? I've been trying to get an Elim through for pages and pages and no one wants to commit to an Elim. And I'm TRing RR who only wants to Elim between Uranus and Kenny. Then you have CLS who is voting whatever flavor of weed they feel like smoking today. Then you have Norweigh who starts a completely new wagon. Then you have StD who is nowhere to be found. I

*think*

we can get an Elim through on Uranus, but with that wagon completely falling apart (for little reason) IDK if we can.

[LicketyQuickety]

Okay, I guess.

Don't look back.

Plug your nose going under!

VOTE: Uranus

[LicketyQuickety]

Is it E-1 or?

I think it's E-1 and I think we have a little bit of time left, but don't know for sure. I'd like StD to check in before the hammer, but IDK if that is going to happen.

[LicketyQuickety]

The plus side of me dying is that I did a good job getting to ObvTown status, but I'm not quite sure how good my reads are...

Hmmm.

[LicketyQuickety]

if it really is norwee and we let him go i'm going to be sad

What do you think of redrider?

[LicketyQuickety]

probably lean town?

Why?

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: aft

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: aft

this an astronomy vote?

Yes.

[LicketyQuickety]

StD, would you hammer Uranus?

[LicketyQuickety]

Okay, don't know if I will be around for EoD.

I hope everything works out! Gunna split now!

[LicketyQuickety]

My plans changed.

Was that hammer?

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: Uranus

In case it matters.

[LicketyQuickety]

So scary!

[LicketyQuickety]

I feel like maybe Reg's pred crumbed or something. Else, I don't really understand this kill.

[LicketyQuickety]

regrider nightkill implies uranus green because the kill was against what they were trying to do (get votes onto reg, which i honestly think was an attainable goal)

No, that's lvl -1.

[LicketyQuickety]

No, that's lvl -1.

y

Because they might have been trying to force a claim.

[LicketyQuickety]

No, that's lvl -1.

y

Because they might have been trying to force a claim.

looking at reg's later logs, do you think that scum!uranus got what they wanted?

Don't think it was necessarily that they got a claim out of Reg, but this series of events is very weird.

Spoiler: Uranus jumping on my reasons for thinking Reg is Sus

I don't think you ever clarified what was "newbscum" about them.

they were very opportunistic and quick to vote me without carefully looking at the facts by lq

What facts was I supposed to look at?

what lq had posted before you voted

#545

#545

Thanks

feeling a light townlean on kenny and uranus

CLS gives an initial TR on Kenny and Uranus.

Arriving fashionably late~

VOTE: Uranus

Call it gut but some slight feeling the protestations of "nothing to go off", although often a common sentiment among newbies, are here making an excuse to avoid getting involved in real conversation as the game gets more serious.

Good feelings on Salsabil and Radical Rat early. Kind of like kennyk also but I'm not sure if that's because of him being like a time traveler from the distant past of mafia. Mild fos on Entellian for showing up on the first page and then dipping.

slight disagree, i think you may be drawing too many conclusions from things that haven't happened yet
i think uranus's town potential goes up from the exact log you're describing: i'm acquaintances with them since i joined the discord server they play in often about a month ago, uranus is one of the more active ones. the setup making trends there is that they're fast paced and PR heavy. largest thing is that the people there nolim nearly every d1. i appreciate uranus putting in the effort to try and wean themselves off of waiting for mechanical information, even if it just seems like they're blindly following site meta

A to Z hasn't picked up his role. It looks like he is site flaked.

Day 1 deadline has been frozen until further notice.

the real siteflaker was in front of me this entire time

And then they give 2 reasons for TRing Uranus. Both of them are TRing Uranus for the opposite of what Uranus is doing in this game (not being active) and how they are different here than on discord regarding the game meta of not Eliming D1. I think the TR on Uranus is completely unjustified given Uranus never says they are trying to distance themselves from no-voting D1 anywhere in Uranus ISO IIRC. In fact, Uranus actually DOES try and do a random vote in their second post, but only after they had gotten heat for not doing RVS. Then there was subsequent discussion on Kenny getting us out of RVS too quickly which CLS initially TRs Kenny, and then SRs them based on this post:

@all other players: No, I didn't ask for a prodding because I miss my fellow mafia player. And no, this was no confession of being mafia. I would never confess that. Or maybe i would in some crazy setup or as part of a really crazy plan in some situations.

feels like an odd reaction. i didn't feel this way over you explciitly telling me not to put floo at E-2, despite you scumreading them. wouldn't that be more partnery, despite you voting them because you think they're mafia?

basically what i want to ask is: why are you so concerned about your self-image here and not when talking about floo?

The VC at the time was this:

Vote Count 1-4

Save The Dragons

:

floo

: Radical Rat, kennyk

Entellian

:

kennyk

: floo, Salsabil Faria

Uranus

: catboi,

cowsloveSushirolls

:Entellian

Salsabil Faria

: Save The Dragons,

Radical Rat

:

catboi

: cowsloveSushirolls

Not Voting

(9): Uranus

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: August 25th, 2021

Countdown: (expired on 2021-08-23 20:00:00)

Mod Notes:

Salsabil Faria is on V/LA till 19th August 2021
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It's the one time CLS puts suspicion on Kenny IIRC. And then this happens:

VOTE: kennyk

RIP my townread on you.
I'm glad cows pushed you on the @all thing, I ignored it thinking it was just a poorly executed joke. But if it was meant as a response to expected suspicion... That feels more like scum paranoia than town paranoia.

I believe this is E-2.

We can't really prove if you pm'd about the prod to the mod, more now that he hasn't gotten one. As for my thoughts on Entellian, I think he is probably just inactive, what would be worrying is that if he is ignoring this game altogether and posting elsewhere.

Final thoughts: I think you might be trying to confuse town with setting up multiple options, keep in mind route b doesn't even have masons so 2 of these setups would be invalid. I also think you are in a situation to pre 2077 catboi with the walls of text attemptiing to protect yourself but that last one might be too far. My townread has definetley gone down on you kenny and is a more viable lynch than catboi imo

unvote: catboi

vote:kennyk

It would make sense if Uranus and CLS were SvS given CLS TRs Uranus for a bad reason and then Uranus votes Kenny to get them Elimmed (by voting opportunistically) why the other Scum member pushes Kenny until it looks like Kenny is getting Elimmed and then backs off.

Besides making this about the team being exactly Uranus/CLS, I will just vote for Uranus.

VOTE: Uranus

Basically, this makes Uranus look bad since Uranus is Sheeping me when IIRC Uranus was in danger of getting Elimmed? Not sure would have to check the VC...

Spoiler:

Vote Count 1-9

Save The Dragons

:

RegRider

: ,

astronomyfortwo

:NorwegianboyEE

kennyk

: , Radical Rat

Uranus

: RegRider, LicketyQuickety

cowsloveSushirolls

: kennyk,

NorwegianboyEE

: Uranus, astronomyfortwo, Save The Dragons ,

Radical Rat

:

LicketyQuickety

: ,

Not Voting

(9): , cowsloveSushirolls,

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: August 29th, 2021

Countdown: (expired on 2021-08-29 06:32:00)

Mod Notes:

NorwegianboyEE replaces Salsabil Faria
kennyK is on V/LA until Tuesday
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oh wait, according to the latest VC uranus is not a tied wagon with salsa which was what i initally thought

VOTE: Uranus

TENSION

i had a blanket "do not vote uranus/astronomy/reg today" because of the lack of information it brought upon a blue flip which is exactly what we don't want on a d1 vote, but i'm feeling this one sets the stage really well regardless because of all of the voting surrounding them

also, uranus blue = my POE entirely wrong? i'll be looking for pairs tonight

Uranus, I'm sorry if you're Town, but.
Gotta happen to someone, and it's clear I haven't convinced enough people on kenny.... yet.

VOTE: Uranus

That's E-1

So after some thought, reg is acting a bit suspicious atm which gets me a bit worried
-The main reason is their very opportunistic vote on me to get me to e-2, you can call this based but if someone else points out the same thing then I think it's a bit different. This is a typical newbie strat on a fairly weak wagon (because of an opportunistic vote that had reasoning behind it) instead of properly thinking it out

@LQ Why did you unvote Uranus?

It's because of this:

One other thing that strikes me as odd is how fast this train got to E-1.

I think the reason for this is this (In case it matters):

I agree with #545. This should be E-2.

VOTE: Uranus

You voted Uranus very opportunistically. In my experience, Scum are more likely to Sheep me than Town and not by a little.

-Another thing to point out is that when I began pressing on him initially, he began asking cows to vote for me, this can mean that he wants me dead so I would stop pressing his buttons

Then you have CLS who is voting whatever flavor of weed they feel like smoking today.

my POE right now is kenny/uranus/astronomy/reg
you can swap kenny and norwee around, but i like the circumstances of norwee's replacement (803) enough that i wouldn't vote them today
still haven't ISOed salsa yet, though

Can you vote Uranus then?

-There's not a whole lot else and the rest of the posts look a bit null but I think as we have had 3 other accusations, there's room for this one to

VOTE: RegRider

I also see that I am at e-1. Wouldn't it be better for mafia to pluck off a townie claim? Otherwise then if what I have said doesn't change your minds, then I'm fine with being voted

Uranus was at E-1 and I had just thrown a Sus at Reg for their Sheep on me IIRC because I did that in 825. Uranus could have thought this was the only wagon that could have gained traction besides his own at this time. If that's the case, then it's not an honest read and Uranus is just Sheeping me to get out of an Elim.